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Sam
12:24 AM
 
Hey, at what rep of the asker do you see pretty much no closed questions?
 
@GrantGarrison it varies
Ask good questions from the get-go and the answer is "1"
 
@TylerH Would you trust at 1k?
 
trust?
 
To not ask questions that shouldn't be closed
 
12:35 AM
I mean, what's the context here?
I don't necessarily "trust" anyone to ask a good question because trust doesn't really fit into the scenario
by default you can ask questions, and there are only a few restrictions within asking for a while, I think at 10 reputation the new user restrictions are removed
as far as asking is concerned
 
I kind of want to see cutoff for my bot (NOT IN THIS ROOM!) and it picks up like 15k rep which is stupid, but I wanted to see what you guys thought bc you are SOCVR. Also, just as like sort of a goal for myself lol.
I mean, this is like the best place to ask this lol
 
@GrantGarrison Actually the SOBotics room would probably be the best room to ask about bot implementation details
I don't quite understand your concern; you are worried that your bot will ask questions and get 15k reputation?
 
@TylerH I was sort of just thinking in terms of where you don't see cv-pls
But I would prefer to leave the implementation out of it.
 
I still don't understand; you want the bot to handle cv-pls? Or you are worried that people will cv-pls your bot's questions?
What is your bot going to do?
 
@TylerH I'm setting the rep cap for Fire(Not in this room), but I kind of also want to know for just my curiosity too.
Also, it helps me because I might not understand what they are asking, and it might seem like a bad question. Knowing where you guys typically cv under helps me understand experience in terms of rep better.
Because anyone over 1k seems like a SO master to me right now.
Are we allowed to mark false positives here?
 
12:51 AM
the first has to go first
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis wish I had hammer
 
@GrantGarrison: unfortunately I see folks who've worked out how to generate rep while also not understanding the basic purpose of SO, or operating their own set of rules in niche tags. I've seen users at 25K whose writing style is only just readable, but once they've escaped a possible ban at a low repo point, they just carried on generating rubbish, and the upvotes outweighted the down.
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(The etiquette of this room prevents me from supplying examples!)
One of the frustrating things about the rep system (and the voting system) is that it is only a rough indicator of the quality of a community member. 20k is known as "trusted user", but we should read that as "probably trusted user" instead ;-)
 
@halfer I might just work with NobodyNana to get some sort of method to allow very bad posts though from high rep users, but pull out the false positives. We shouldn't trust new users as much as old users, but we should still catch old users if they are like what you described.
 
@GrantGarrison that doesn't tell me what your bot does
 
I may be missing some context from earlier @GrantGarrison, are you using machine learning or something to determine if a post should be closed?
 
12:59 AM
I'm playing with Fire. And I'm apparently not supposed to do that in here because I will get burned.
 
(Yes, rep can be used as a metric, but as I say, it's not foolproof. I saw a 10K user ask a lazy Q a couple of days ago because he could not be bothered to research it himself, and he got -4 for posting.)
@GrantGarrison I don't know what Fire is, sounds interesting!
 
FireAlarm
 
Ah, gotcha.
There's no problem with you wanting to write a bot (or hack on an existing one), but I imagine you'd need to check with the room owners here if you wanted SO CVR to use your work
I'm thinking of building an edit detector to automate my fluff searching, I think it might be useful to drive conversations and guidelines about technical quality writing on SO.
 
@halfer already have some of my work on here.
I'm also @gsquaredxc btw.
Thats just my bot
 
@GrantGarrison: ah, great stuff
 
Sam
1:10 AM
@GrantGarrison You've been previously warned to not run any bots in here.
 
That was actually me
I worded it weird though.
 
Sam
The next incident will result in a kick.
 
That was just my sockpuppet
That hasn't voted
 
1:46 AM
Hey @halfer you saw this one right? How did you handle it?
And is this what you were talking about? (I will put a cv-pls in a sec)
 
1:59 AM
Umm... I feel embarrassed... I missed socvr.org/tools/userscripts
Like when I was doing the tour and everything, it just like IDK... How could I miss arguably the best part.
 
ah, you're one of those people who uses a mac
 
@gunr2171 Is that relevant?
 
no, just commentary
Of all people who visited SOCVR in 2017 and 2018, it's a small sliver
 
@gunr2171 Oh lol. Did you scroll to find that or did you see that live?
 
2:07 AM
@gunr2171 Less than average?
One of the 52!
 
well, it's better than whatever "pale moon" is
 
Those 21 need to stay off of this. And probably same for SeaMonkey, but I'm not against that too much.
and the 86 need to rethink their choices
the 19 are good open source people that probably visited on linux
 
I mean, there is nothing technically wrong with edge, it just has all the history and corporate push.
I'm surprised Firefox Mobile isn't higher
 
It has the history of being IE redone.
Thats enough for me.
Blackberry?
 
Well remember, it shares no code with IE, even the engine.
Unfortunate logo though
 
2:11 AM
Also "We have 21% more performance and 7% better battery"
 
I'm sure in those tightly controlled experiments they were correct. Other people come up with different circumstances to get other data. That's how science works.
basically: meh.
 
2:31 AM
\o
Any griping about the big HTML/CSS changes about to hit?
Ch-ch-ch-changes: Left nav, responsive design, & themes That's going to break a few of our scripts.
 
Rob
@Mogsdad There's already a userstyle pinned in charcoal, if that counts as a gripe
Personally, I can't stand it
 
@Mogsdad Oh wow... didn't see that.
Hmm... That might break stuff, might not... Depends on SO priorities.
 
Rob
So far, none of my scripts have broken with it
 
I'm assuming if they leave the ids alone everything is fine right?
Just no code refactors.
 
We've had a couple of bumps on the MagicEditor recently, due to renaming of elements in the edit widgets.
 
2:38 AM
MagicEditor hasn't seemed to work for me. I downloaded it minutes ago, so I haven't tested much.
what would you cv this on: stackoverflow.com/questions/49268870/…
 
@Enzokie lol
@Mogsdad I thought that might be editable, so catching on dup would work. :)
 
I'd expect to find a better example, but haven't yet.
 
Just dup the dup example
lol
Where do you guys typically go to find cv-pls posts?
just review queue?
 
@GrantGarrison feel free to use mine stackoverflow.com/…
 
2:50 AM
@SamuelLiew Ah, thats how you do it.
 
for del-pls
 
@GrantGarrison Since you don't earn the close vote privilege until you have 3K, you should take great care in engaging the votes available here. Generally, do not CV a question that is doing no harm. I'd suggest watching new questions, and looking for opportunities to help improve them... any that are off-topic and can't be improved to be on-topic are the best candidates for cv-pls requests. By closing, the OP has the opportunity to improve the question themselves and ask to reopen it. Win-win, that.
 
@Mogsdad I went on an editing spree for 50ish posts, but waiting for edit acceptance is sooo slowww. I am trying to study what a closed post looks like, and even where people get them. I'm also making my list of questions for cv once I can. Thats going to take my CV votes for a while. I'm sort of completionist when it comes to moderation, so I'm trying to take out every bad post. SO doesn't need clutter.
I also went on a new user spree, editing commenting flagging etc.
Also, most of the questions over at chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/166647/grant-garrisons-firealarm are CV worthy, so if you don't feel like burning CV's at the review queue and would rather burn them somewhere else, feel free to do so.
 
3:21 AM
Check out! (I can never leave though)
Hint: song
 
@Mogsdad I joined the Charcoal Team, so I'm having loads of fun with the new HTML/CSS. Our scripts generally work, so far. All of the ones I use daily will, of course, get a good workout and updates.
However, some of my scripts, break, or don't work optimally.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:54 AM
@GrantGarrison Welcome to the Hotel Close Voters :) Ironically, I am, in fact, in California ATM.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:51 AM
Morning \o
 
smells OT reading its name; and the excerpt says it's only for Java style...? 7.1k questions though, might be big to burn
 
@ErikvonAsmuth @TylerH what happened to your work here? The "DO NOT USE" was even edited out by a >25k user (so no approval needed)
 
Also see the excerpt history. Honestly, I'd almost modflag that dude that made the last edit, removing the do not use and changing it to Java-only.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth don't go almost; just flag it. He A) made an off-topic tag valid again, and B) vandalised its meaning IMO by narrowing it down
 
8:01 AM
@Adriaan Yes, you're right. He's flagged, let's hope a mod reverts those edits.
 
^ delete this please
 
@VadimKotov Please don't migrate that to meta. It has 2 migrate votes already.
 
user6537189
stackoverflow.com/questions/49271788/… This is already asked in this site for many years now, why the upvote?
 
8:59 AM
I still miss @NathanOliver's nomination :\
Will be interesting to see the transmorphation from @NathanROliver to @NathanMODliver : P
 
@kayess I hope his liver can stomach that
 
@Adriaan lol
 
9:50 AM
@FireAlarm sounds like not about programming...?
 
@Adriaan Ethereum smart contracts are programming I guess. But indeed better off on the special site for it.
 
10:43 AM
@GrantGarrison that one would have been Too Broad or Unclear or even a custom "Stack Overflow is not a platform for free work"
@GrantGarrison For that one, do you mean an example of an established user who is asking a question they know to be off-topic, or a rep point (700) where one has escaped the ban zone and thus is free to ask o/t questions? It's probably a yes to both from me, though I should say we don't know the banning algorithms, they are deliberately secret.
 
11:36 AM
@halfer OP just needs to make the test async but I am getting a help vamp vibe, which is why I am just lurking.
 
@Nkosi Agreed
 
11:47 AM
@YvetteColomb is it OK for us to post old links here? I did that in the past, and someone suggested I should leave those to the ordinary close queue, so I've avoided posting old ones
 
@halfer Depends on if it was attracting recent actvity
 
@Nkosi ah, I see the distinction, thanks
 
That post in question had a recent answer deleted by a mod after the request
 
12:05 PM
@halfer "unresearched" is not a close-reason. But this question is asking for code or spoon-feeding. Which makes it too broad indeed.
 
@Olaf Agreed. I was on a bit on the fence, because SO's earlier history has all manner of unresearched (but still very useful) questions.
 
user3956566
@halfer when they have new answers - as the answers will often be flagged, so it's better to close the question if it's no longer on topic
 
@YvetteColomb gotcha, thanks
 
user3956566
@halfer nw
 
@halfer Well, I'm not very happy with this rule either (no reserarch is a valid downvote reason, though). Maybe because this would instantly let us close >90% of some tags' questions. Luckily often such questions fall into other close-cathegories, too.
Hi @YvetteColomb good to see you being active here again. Does that mean your exams went fine (is that "south" on your side of the Equator)?
 
user3956566
12:13 PM
@Olaf exams went very well and I'm happy with my studies thanks :) How are you?
 
@YvetteColomb Fine, until now. Still searching for a good project, though. Looks like most companies here prefer those crap lemming-style programmers. No developers, no true engineers. Plus they have the surveilance-virus; only on-site, no remote.
 
user3956566
@Olaf :/ sorry to hear that. I've only worked and studied remotely and plan to work at the uni - but I chose one that has an excellent equine facility, so if we move I can take my horses - there's plenty of facilities and properties around there
 
"Sorry, but we need someone who knows protocol/tool/whatever XYZ." (which can be learned in <8h by a good dev)
@YvetteColomb I'm a freelancer and can't/will not move for every project. Last one was almost 4 years and remote was never a problem there. Maybe it's because Germany is so small and companies are not really sued to freelancers. Plus their control-attitude. Beware, someone external could introduce new (and better) techniques!
 
@Olaf I get that from recruiters too. "1 year minimum in Laravel please". Is 10 years of enterprise PHP any good? "No, 1 year in Laravel please"
:-p
 
12:28 PM
@halfer Could be worse. They could want a year of Wordpress
 
@Machavity heh!
I once got an interview for a small start-up that had used WordPress as an application framework. They were at that point where they know they should move to a framework proper, but don't want to put product development on hold, so they pressed on with WP. The danger of prototypes!
 
user3956566
@halfer yeh not good
 
user3956566
@Machavity yep - just do an free shonky internship and you'll soon be skilled at wordpress and every conceivable technology no one else wants to touch
 
I'm looking to start talking to recruiters from next week, not enthusiastic about that ;o)
 
@YvetteColomb I have a former coworker enamored with Laravel. Pushes it every chance he gets. I'm avoiding wholesale frameworks since I tried Zend Framework many years ago
 
12:35 PM
@halfer Well, yeah, but what I hear is even more ridiculous (that 8hours estimate) was a true example. For some projects I read the specs after my application and now can say I know this - after 1 or two hours. Plus, of course they are not open to new ideas. My "favourite" is "We want to develop something new, our companies uses leading edge tools". And then: compilers from pre Y2K, C90, the programmers never heared about atomics, etc.
"Eat the cake and have it".
 
user3956566
@Machavity I totally understand. I'm moving into research - with a focus on security - it's really interesting. I want to keep it on the technical side though.
 
@Olaf I think tech companies want to be thought of as modern (since they know good engineers will move roles to work with interesting technology, but of course, they will be found out if that's not true, so they modernise one thing, and keep everything else the same.
@YvetteColomb it's a good niche to get into. I got some ball-park figures for some sec testing I wanted, and it was pretty expensive!
 
@Siguza smell like socks, those answers; all three accounts are younger than the question, no surviving non-deleted posts (so I guess they just wanted to bump this Q)
 
@SurajRao Just spam it. That's not an email address, it's a link
 
12:50 PM
Morning, Happy Pi Day
 
1:04 PM
@halfer You're way too optimistic. And it's not just the company mangagers, but most "devs" there, too. At least those who work there for some years already.
Just talking about my field of work.
 
@SmokeDetector eye-hurt :( I went unclear
 
user3956566
@halfer and it's an area that we'll always need
 
1:21 PM
@Olaf True, #notalldevs
 
Ron
o/
 
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Sam
1:53 PM
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@halfer I have seen this expecailly in a well know large Germany-based company: New and younger devs are enthusiastic about doing interesting stuff, using emerging techniques, because they expect a larger company has more options to do so with their larger budgets. The established devs wait for either retirement or death, whatever happens first and in the meantime they try to get along with least effort. That beacuse the "system" does everything to slow down enthusiasm, mostly by bureaucracy.
"Management Processes" is just another phrase for "we don't want to improve".
 
2:00 PM
@Olaf It would be good if the descent from enthusiasm to apathy took longer than a year, but it's the same everywhere - depressing and dismal, as you say.
 
Ron
I almost developed depression with my last employer and their crappy legacy code.
Instead I left.
Learned an important lesson - you can afford to be picky.
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@Ron Didn't you intend to contract this week for a new job? And did I get the wrong impression you are also not really happy about the new job?
 
Ron
The week is not over yet ;) Both of your impressions are in place.
 
@Ron I left my first job for similar reasons, plus I got offered some contract work for five times the money. They did try to keep me by offering immediate promotion to middle-management, a position when you get punched in the head by top managers for underperfoming, and kicked lower down by the union reps for exploting the workers. Needless to say, I left.
 
Ron
Yes, a lot of energy in companies is lost on internal management clashes and lack of information flow. I've been witness to some ill formed practices.
Oh well, moving on.
 
2:52 PM
@TylerH Please don't link to reviews of your own edits. It implicitly asks for people to review them. This was a topic discussed at the most recent room meeting (you participated). The result was not to permit people to make requests about their own edits (specifically discussed were tag wiki/excerpt edits), even in cases where you are doing repair/plagiarism removal.
 
@TylerH Oh, I mod flagged for that. I'd like a rollback to the previous version, because changing the excerpt to Questions that follow Java coding style and conventions. is plain weird. There are a lot of non-java questions in there.
 
@Makyen oops - feel free to sanitarium-ize the message
 
Time for a refresher
 
@TylerH If you're going to make those edits, the wiki & excerpt should be changed back to being language-agnostic. Having them state that the generic tag is just for Java is ridiculous.
 
2:57 PM
@ErikvonAsmuth Agreed on that bit; I made the edits before I dropped into chat and read the whole conversation
they are not voted on yet so I think I can adjust the edits
 
(refresher was aimed at me and not anyone else)
 
Wiki and excerpts updated to remove mentions of java
 
@TylerH Good.
 
Ron
3:25 PM
Is this too broad / unclear / no MCVE?
 
@Ron unclear because there is no mcve
 
Ron
waffles and pancakes
Could be that QT OP meets the C++ dark side.
 
lol
 
everyone please freak out, socvr.org is down because of power outage.
 
WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!.....some day
 
Ron
3:36 PM
True.
 
The socvr.org server is experiencing a power outage. There's an archive you can use.
 
The load balancer should redirect to the archive once main site is down : P
 
Ron
4:04 PM
Change hosting perhaps?
 
4:34 PM
I've just voted 'leave open' on this question stackoverflow.com/questions/49278277/… and am wondering if I'm making the right decision. Also see my comment there. Any thoughts?
Close votes keep piling up, but I don't see a reason for it.
 
Why did you vote leave open? Do you disagree with the dupe?
 
Yes I do.
My reasoning is there as a comment: "While the StackTrace before the edit made by DJhon was in fact containing a NullPointerException, this NullPointerException occurs within the hibernate library and therefore is caused by another error. This might be a parsing error of the provided HQL, or something else. Therefore flagging this as a duplicate seems inappropriate. "
 
Can the question be answered as is?
 
I don't know. I'm not familiar enough with hibernate to answer that.
But the current reasoning for closing it is wrong in my opinion.
This way, any topic which contains a NullPointerException is in fact a duplicate of the question about what a NullPointerException is. That cannot be true.
 
Maybe lacks MCVE would have been better but without a mcve will never no so it isn't really an issue. If the OP edits the Q and it turns out to not be a duplicate then we can reopen. s it stands right now it should probably stay closed as we don't have all the needed information.
 
4:48 PM
Alright. I'll add that in a comment.
 
Ron
5:01 PM
@Justin @NathanOliver What are they talking about in comments under this one? Read directly who?
Perhaps mapping memory via WinAPI?
 
@Ron Looks like OP wants to read the code and process as data. But I don't think he even has an idea of what/why he is doing. Could be "unclear" or "no mcve". Strange question anyway.
 
(Not asking for closure) Is this question considered POB/Too Broad? Specifically, the 'performance difference' bit (I know the 'best practice' bit is opinion-based).
 
Ron
@TylerH Looks like both to me. More on the POB side.
 
5:17 PM
@Ron For curiosity's sake, what's your argument there for performance difference being POB?
 
Ron
@TylerH The Is one better practice than the other? part, waffled out the technical details.
But mainly the first part.
 
@TylerH with reference to css post. given it's apparent popularity, wouldn't that post be considered useful? curious?
 
@Ron I'm asking specifically the performance difference bit
@Nkosi No, because it's just opinions
 
ok understood.
 
5:22 PM
(in my nearly-gold badge in css opinion)
 
I agreed. already VTD, but given it high vote count it will need more
 
Ron
@TylerH Meh, I wouldn't loose sleep over that one. The OP assumes too much ultimately making it a POB. I am not certain the answerers are 100% sure either. It's apples and oranges.
 
@Ron Right, I'm not trying to argue that it isn't, just asking for other folks' opinions so I can have a more informed opinion on it and future questions like it
since 'performance difference between x and y' is somewhat common on SO
 
Ron
@TylerH That I know. Glad if my modest expertise can contribute to the ultimate goal.
@TylerH I should also add that things get nasty when it comes to C++. Drawing parallels between that and any other language can be counter-productive.
 
^ yeah also a good point, I don't write C++ so the opinions on this from people who do is extra helpful
 
Ron
5:28 PM
Not so long ago I was wasting my life with binge drinking and writing Delphi code.
@TylerH Appreciate it.
 
And now you are a lord among flies, writing C++ from on high :-)
 
Ron
Not really, just a schmuck who realized is a schmuck.
Keep on rocking in the free world ;)
At one point I was doing PHP + frontend for a living in SE Asia. Those were the days.
 
@Ron PHP....*Gasp*.....I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
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Ron
Was there anything new after CSS 3?
@Nkosi Mistakes were made.
 
@Ron no
CSS changed how it did versioning after 3
now it updates each module of css independently
so there is CSS Selectors Level 4 instead of CSS4
 
Ron
5:36 PM
I see.
 
this allows browsers to comply with specific parts of CSS as they mature
rather than waiting for several years for a whole draft
 
Ron
Kind of makes sense.
 
So yes if you ever see someone saying "CSS4", they don't know what they are talking about
 
is a top question on the front page a viable target for cv-pls?
 
yes
 
5:44 PM
phew, at least if I say CSS5 they won't know
 
cv-pls are for questions that are active, new, likely to draw new answers/lots of attention (and off-topic)
@NathanOliver curses, you found a loophole!
 
:)
I'm a full stack developer. I can push and pop
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@NathanOliver and finally end up with stack overflow
 
FYI I have put a small pile of POB questions in the CV Queue if anyone is looking to sort by tags and has run out of their existing tags
 
@SurajRao Nah, I've got 16GB of ram ;)
 
5:52 PM
Has there been a discussion on Meta recently about questions like these‌​? This is never going to be useful for anyone else on SO, it's too specific to the OP. But it's not necessarily a "typo", unclear, too broad, or no mcve.
 
is this No MCVE? js fiddle embedded in stack snippets
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis It does lack a mcve. There is no main. Otherwise I'm not aware of anything on meta but it is down vote worthy
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis This is actually covered by the "no mcve" close reason's full text. It lacks additional information e.g. a specific problem description. A typical "if there was just something to debug code" problem.
 
You'd put anything that's just a matter of debugging under no mcve? (In the sense that it's not useful to anyone else.)
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis The full text: "Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example."
 
5:57 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis If I have to look through the code to see what it's doing, then it's too broad. Dumping three class definintions without any further explanation is not good enough:(
 
There's more than just eh MCVE part. We use this here just as a shortcut, but often forget about the full text.
 
@MartinJames This is also a valid "no mcve" reason, as the debugging request has to provide the information what the code is intended to do.
 
I mean. should the OP not instantiate something? Not all the methods are static/class:(
 
@MartinJames I don't java ;-)
 
Ron
6:01 PM
It's easy. public static void sup with all the specifiers MyClass{};
But then again, C++ looked right down awful to me back in the days.
 
@Olaf Nor do I, but its just kinda crept in to my SO life, without me noting, kinda like being exposed to a nerve agent by a Russian assassin.
 
Hmm, I wonder where I left my AbstractSingletonFactoryProxyBean.
 
Ron
@E_net4 Did you try under the AbstractInterceptorDrivenBeanDefinitionDecorator?
 
@Ron MyVeryComplicatedClassToCoverAllPossibleProblemsInOne?
 
Ron
@Olaf Haha, that's the one.
 
6:09 PM
I just call that one OneClassToRuleThemAllOneClassToBindThemAllInDarkness
 
@Adriaan Remember, it uses a ring-buffer.
 
I prefer ring resonators
 
@Adriaan Naah, too imprecise. Use Caesium.
 
They're taking the double-ended queues to Isengard.
 
Don't say anything bad about Thor or he'll deque you ;)
 
6:16 PM
I wonder what it was about? I only got as far as 'codechef' before cv it.
 
@NathanOliver Well, last time I saw him, his gold bade just disintegrated. into crumbs.
Anyway, afk, hunting for food (aka shopping).
 
Ron
The so called competitive programming sites.
 
Joe
Hi: question about Triage -> Close, if it's okay to ask that here.
 
@Joe Go for it
 
@Ron If they want competition, why can they not do it in the old way - get swords and enter a sandy arena.
 
Joe
6:20 PM
I have a question that is terrible, and never will be a good question, but also doesn't qualify as any particular close reason. It's just bad, no effort, asking for 'how do you do X' question.
Normally if I ran into the Q I'd downvote and move on.
but in triage, that isn't a choice... 'requires editing' even though no amount of editing short of a totally new Q. ?
 
@Joe Toss a coin. Heads is 'Too broad', tails 'Unclear'.
 
Too broad works for a lot of those. Can you share a link to the question?
 
Joe
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Q: An example of importing a csv file into SAS by Data step code

FrancisI am SAS beginner and trying to import a large .csv file into SAS. Could any one give me an example of importing a csv file into SAS by Data step code please? Beside, do I need any code in data step to ensure the accuracy of imported date?

oddly enough, it's also a question I'd already seen as it's in my tag
and already dv'ed
was surprised it hit my triage queue, but, I guess it doesn't check for that?
 
I vote "Unclear what you're asking"
 
Joe
It's very clear what he's asking, though
I could even answer it, with a useful answer... just don't feel like it deserves one. :)
 
6:22 PM
Oh yeah, Too Broad works
 
Joe
But I can use that, if that's the right thing to do.
ok, thanks!
 
Too broad works, too. IMHO not enough details, no display of any attempt
 
@Joe Yeah, but all the accurate close-reasons have been removed as politically incorrect, so just pick the least inappropriate one.
 
Joe
gotcha
thanks!
 
6:28 PM
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Q: Burninate [calculation]?

DriseNote: This is my first burninate request, so I hope I'm doing this right. I recently encountered the calculation tag. The tag doesn't really add anything meaningful and can't stand on it's own, so I'd like to see it burn. It currently has 301 questions, 11 followers, and no excerpt or wiki. ...

 
people can now stop freaking out, socvr.org has returned.
 
@gunr2171 phew
 
If anyone notices anything down else just say so
 
@gunr2171 Didn't notice any downness:)
 
6:44 PM
@NathanOliver that reminds me, I really need to get off my butt and mail in this RMA for this 2x8GB set of RAM
 
@TylerH You blew it up?
 
@MartinJames nah one stick has a bad sector
as soon as memory gets written to it (which is almost as soon as I login), BSOD, consistently
 
@TylerH Nice:(
 
I toyed with the idea of just trashing 1 of the sticks and having 24GB of RAM in my system but figured that was bad because 1: if I ever wanted to get a 2nd stick it wouldn't play well with the one-off as a paired set would, and 2: I paid darn near $100 for each stick so I am not gonna waste that money on a stick of memory, darn it
DDR4 being so expensive makes me sad
 
I find it's best to install ram in pairs
 
6:56 PM
@NathanOliver I have found installing RAM in pears does not make them taste any better
 
If anything it probably toxifies them
 
@Makyen You said the ability to mark questions for reminders in 1-2 weeks was coming to the unclosed request userscript soon, right?
Or am I misremembering a conversation
 
@TylerH To the Request Generator, but yes.
 
oh
what's the reasoning behind putting it in that one? (not that I have any reasoning for putting it in the unclosed request script, either...)
That would really be a great function to have in SO vanilla, "ping me to visit this in X days"
 
It grew out of a desire to be able to make a del-pls in 2 days when the question was eligible for 10k deletion. At least for me the time where I'm making that decision is when I'm viewing the question, not when I'm looking at the chat. However, I can see how it might also be useful at that time.
 
7:07 PM
@TylerH ..or 'delv immediate if rep gets down to -3'
 
@MartinJames well, yeah that's the reason most people would probably want to be pinged... :-P But probably a bit much for the system to assume. Because there are more reasons to want to visit something in the future
@Makyen how many LoC roughly are all your active SO userscripts, combined?
 
What's expected to come for the Unclosed Review Script is to have a question preview in chat (mostly written, but I need to change how it's implemented). The plan is to enable close voting from the preview (not written, just planned).
@TylerH That's going to take a bit to determine.
 
6 to 8^(6 to 8)
:-P
@Makyen we will have come full circle and outlawed one boxes only to manually implement them in chat ourselves ;-)
Okay, I'm out of close and reopen votes for the day
 
@TylerH Sort-of, but the plan is to only have it visible when you mouse-over or click to view. The intent is to have it be a mostly-functional, full view of the question & answers. :-)
 
7:27 PM
@TylerH 38,787 lines, but I might have missed a couple. That, of course, doesn't include major libraries (e.g. jQuery for a couple)
 
@Makyen sure, and including those lines would be cheating :-)
 
@TylerH Yep.
 
@TylerH we can't flag old posts in there which are just "Use this library <link>" right, since the Q asks for it
 
I'm not sure if this question meets the criteria for custom close reason referring to Are developer-centric questions about application stores on topic? -- is it technical, or the policy of the store?
 
@Adriaan as NAA? I dunno
I mean the "proper" way to handle it is to close and delete the question
which will handle the answers, too
but in the meantime I don't necessarily see too much harm in flagging link-only answers as VLQ or NAA, whichever is appropriate
 
7:32 PM
@TylerH VLQ doesn't work on posts older than 3 months
 
@Adriaan a big problem, IMHO
 
@Adriaan If it's just a link, then you can flag NAA, but it's not spam (to be spam, it must be unsolicited). If there's enough info to be able to search for the library independent of the link, then it doesn't fit the official definition of NAA. In such case, you'll get most people in review to agree that it should be deleted, but if it gets to a moderator, some moderators will decline, some will mark as helpful, depends on the moderator and how they feel about it at the time.
@techraf That question, I'd wouldn't vote to close. It seems much more of a technical issue than a policy issue. [Basic auto-updating/versioning].
 
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