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12:12 AM
I put some questions in the close vote queue
 
Ron
12:23 AM
Low quality it seems.
 
@JarrodRoberson This question has a bounty on it
 
12:50 AM
@Maverik For requests like that, we use a format that allows others to find the requests and scripts to both present the requests to people and handle when they are complete. The basic format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. I'd suggest reading the complete SOCVR FAQ.
 
I'm aware of the general format Makeyn just don't have access to my regular browser with script right now
its ok if no one wants to add the vote from here.. WPF channel itself will close it soon enough
thanks for the response though :)
however TIL: why cv tag is required.. I always wondered how you mass move the requests all the time!
 
@Maverik While the userscript is quite helpful, and includes things which are in addition to the basic format, the basic format is fairly minimal and can be reasonably accomplished without the use of any script. In fact some of the people who post here never use any of the userscripts (a few have started using the cv-pls bookmarklet, which can be used in environments which prevent userscripts).
 
I'll do it by hand. Don't want you to think I'm one of those "do it for me and I leave" kinda person :)
this particular dupe doesn't require domain knowledge - its a literal copy paste dupe of the same user
 
@Maverik I appreciate that. This statement was strongly pointing in the direction that you were such. Thank you for reposting it.
 
hmm, firefox keeps crashing when I open the the options tab
 
1:00 AM
Ah no. I really meant that we as a channel will close it but all the regulars would be sleeping and this likely won't get picked until monday
but I realise how it can appear the wrong way, thus reposted by hand
 
@Maverik In such cases, I normally say "self-duplicate". There's no need to do so, but it does result in people looking at it who would have skipped it due to lacking domain knowledge. There's certainly no need to change it at this point.
@TylerH The actual Firefox-options tab (i.e. Tools->Options)? or something else.
 
yeah
 
@Maverik I appreciate that. Thank you for doing so.
 
roger that. Makyen. thanks for your help. I'll head to bed now. That was my last thing to do before going to sleep :)
 
not sure if it's my session corrupt or what
 
1:02 AM
g'night from this side of the pond! :D
 
@TylerH Which version of FF?
 
just updated from 58 to 58.0.2, gonna check again
 
@Maverik night o/
 
Hmm, I think it's not Firefox' fault
My computer is failing to display some icons from my OS-install harddrive
 
@TylerH While I only use FF58 (i.e. FF 57+) for testing, crashing under those conditions isn't something I've seen. I happen to have a FF58.0.2 instance open at the moment, which had, and has, the FF-options open.
 
1:05 AM
Yeah it only just started happening for me a few moments ago
 
@TylerH That's not good. Perhaps rebooting would be a good idea.
 
yeah, checking system temps and then that's next
odd that the options tab consistently does it while nothing else in FF seems to cause it
maybe it's the location of a file
hmm nothing over 30C
rebooting now
 
@TylerH Possible, but all of that should be in one of the two zipped archives, which are opened on FF launch.
 
restart fixed it
odd
Oh, that's interesting. "User profiles created in Firefox 58 (and in future releases) are not supported in previous versions of Firefox."
looking at the 58 release notes finally
 
@TylerH That's good to know. They do make breaking changes from time to time. For instance, in order to downgrade form FF56 to FF52ESR, I had to manually edit the scheme of one of the SQLite databases (places.sqlite). It was a bit of a pin in the rear. [Sigh... They could have handled the transition to WebExtensions only soooo much better.]
 
1:17 AM
Yeah, neither side was happy with how they handled the transition, really
 
@TylerH Delaying to FF61 would have made a world of difference. It would have permitted people to jump onto FF60ESR, if they needed more time. More importantly, it would have given more time for the WebExtensions API to be better fleshed-out, while permitting add-on developers more time to transition. One frustrating part is that it was clear from when they first announced the cut-over that there was no way that WebExtensions would be ready, let alone enough time for add-on developers to port.
 
2:13 AM
@JonClements "small" indeed
@JonClements Here's one that will need a mod to remove the tag on stackoverflow.com/questions/718582/…
 
2:56 AM
@cricket_007 If a user keeps re-posting the same question, even after you pointed him at the site rules, consider mod-flagging. Just keep in mind cv-pls'ing multiple questions of the same user in short succession could be seen as moderating a user, which is against SOCVR rules.
 
 
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8:13 AM
honestly, please hammer this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/48849199/… the worst answers are rolling in.
 
8:49 AM
@mickmackusa Posting a message which is effectively a repeated request isn't helpful, and is considered a bit rude. Doing so with a URL that isn't straight to the question makes it a bit worse & doesn't inform people of the question tags, so they can't know if their hammer will work. Your request posted during the lowest traffic time of day, on the day of the week that has the lowest traffic, on a 3-day weekend in the US, which makes it even lower traffic than normal. Thus, it's going to take time.
@mickmackusa You might find some people with PHP hammers in the PHP room, but I don't know their policies regarding such requests. But, they clearly do cv-pls requests in that room.
 
@TylerH I don't see too much community involvement being required. It's more featured for someone to provide a compelling reason to keep it - and if not - then I think we'll go down the route of getting staff to bulk remove it and then tidy up any untagged stuff.
 
9:07 AM
thanks @Makyen I'll visit that room.
 
9:30 AM
@JonClements That sounds much easier than going through 6k+ questions. However, it might be reasonable for people to go through and work on closing the clearly off-topic questions. Having a single tag to concentrate CVs on usually makes closing much more effective. However, to close 6k questions is 600 user-days of CVs. I guess the question is: Is the goal to only get rid of the tag, or is it to also handle (close/delete) the off-topic questions with that tag.
My impression of burnination has been that the goal is both, but I haven't been involved with any other large burnination. In other words, many, but not all, tags that are burninated are magnets for off-topic questions, which is one of the reasons to remove the tag. As such, the tag is a marker for a population of questions which have a higher percentage which are off-topic. Just removing the tag removes that marker.
 
Good points... I was more of the impression it's just a "noisy" tag and completely superfluous to questions - it probably just gets auto-suggested so people go with it. From the Q's I looked at it didn't strike me as a realistic indication of the quality of the post.
Probably all stuff that should be made on the meta post for debate though. It might well be we just go "oh screw it - it's just impractical - let's do something more productive" if it isn't a clear case of "let's just remove it"
(It's just that's it been around for other 3 years and I'd like to put it to bed - one way or another)
 
10:24 AM
 
10:49 AM
@mickmackusa You can link back to one of your own posts by using the id in the permalink.
@robinCTS Like this. (By typing ":41296175 Like this." from https: //chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41296175#41296175)
Or
like this by using a multiline. @mickmackusa
 
11:06 AM
I think the overarching message is: don't bump previous closure requests. I get it.
 
That too ;)
 
Sam
o/
 
\o
 
 
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12:50 PM
Can I get an opinion on this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/48850453/7296893. I think it's spam (including a company logo in your answer is ridiculous), but it might be a real answer with the nonsense edited out, and it discloses affiliation
And it has an odd amount of upvotes in a short time, not a clue why
 
@ErikvonAsmuth just remove the image and link them to how not to be a spammer in the help.
oh, it already has a pending edit.
 
@rene That's how I got to it (edit review queue), but that one didn't edit out the image
 
Sam
1:06 PM
 
@rene cc @TylerH The SOCV League has just completed! (I'm @133.)I think you made a boo-boo, though. It's showing all the users that have any Steward badge, not just the one for the CVQ. Unless it is not possible to discriminate between them.
And there's a bug with the last user. (See heather-eggnog.glitch.me/?page=78&userid=1961728)
 
@robinCTS yeah, I couldn't filter them out. I've just cleaned out any users with a total of 0 reviews.
@robinCTS hmm, that one got caught in a refactoring last night that wasn't supposed to be executed. I'll be fixing that shortly.
 
@DonaldDuck That's got an accepted answer, does that make it harder to close?
 
1:22 PM
@JakeSymons No, it can still be closed as easily, it just won't be deleted automatically.
 
@rene Yeah, I noticed that. Saw it complete with a bunch of zeroes at the end, and then whammo, just like magic, they disappeared!
 
@robinCTS removed it, user was destroyed on the site, hence it couldn't fetch its statistics.
 
1:51 PM
@rene I'm thinking that maybe the cutoff should be 1000 instead of 0. The rankings for the users whose total number of cv's cast are less than that of the highest possible for a user without a Steward badge are inaccurate. Since such a user who has done, say, 999 CVQ reviews would have roughly 1000+ (quite likely up to 10% more, or less likely even more) cv's cast, any ranking less than is guaranteed to be inaccurate.
Even though the rankings 1000+ are also not 100% accurate, 1000 seems a nice round number for the cutoff.
^ Meant to say 25% more
 
 
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3:11 PM
1 message moved from SOBotics
 
Sam
4:01 PM
 
@robinCTS and my guess was spot on! I am in spot 30: heather-eggnog.glitch.me/?page=1&userid=2756409
 
puzzled: answerer also closed as duplicate: stackoverflow.com/questions/48853692/odd-rounding-issue
original question also has an answer from .. the answerer...
ok it's Martijn, but still...
yeah, diplomatic way of making it go away :)
 
4:17 PM
By definition, if you vote to close, doesn't that mean that you think that it shouldn't be answered in its current state?
 
what strikes me is that the answerer of the duplicate is also the closer AND the answerer of the original linked question. I like the guy, but that's a little too much there.
He probably remembered that he answered afterwards.
 
Every once and awhile I'll forget I answered something too... happened to me awhile ago actually, I ran into a close-worthy NATO question and posted it here without reading all the answers forgetting that I was one of the answerers on it. (In my defense, I had answered a year and a half earlier, before I had close vote rights).
 
@EJoshuaS yes, happens to everyone. In that case I fail to see the fact that this is a duplicate having read the questions & answers again. I must be tired.
 
The downvotes on the question seem a little unfair to me (just as a general observation, obviously not making a recommendation on downvotes or upvotes)... seems reasonably formulated. Just my opinion though.
 
yes, I admit I first wanted it to go away. But that backfired with counter-upvotes. Well, that's not so great an issue. I'll let that pass since the dupe isn't so blatant.
 
4:31 PM
@robinCTS @rene Oh… wait… ahhh… Now, I'm confused. At first, I thought this was actual close-votes. Then, I realized that it was Close Vote Queue Reviews (something mentioning what it is on the page would help), but now you're saying it's actual close votes???? At least for me, it's definitely only reviews made in the Close Vote Review Queue.
 
5:00 PM
@ekad I preferred "Unclear" here.
 
Sam
 
@Makyen Actually, I'm the one who got confused. First of all I thought it was CVQ reviews (as evident from @TylerH's question to which @rene was replying). Then I decided it must be actual close votes since the SOCV League count doesn't match my profile review count. Before rene started the queries I was at 2995. After they finished I was at 3035, having completed 40 reviews. The League shows me at 2916!
It was only after I compared a couple of the top 20's League vs profile stats and re-read @TylerH's post that I realised the counts are CVQ reviews, but my result is incorrect.
@TylerH Yeah, I noticed :P Fantastic guess!
 
5:53 PM
@robinCTS Just FYI: The user's number of CVQ reviews can be any percentage of close-votes cast. For example, my reviews are < 10% of my CV, as I consistently prefer other interfaces (e.g. MTR, MTR2) and 100% prioritize voting on cv-pls requests in SOCVR over CVQ-reviews, or reviewing CVs using other tools. However, other tools have the drawback that they can't know about any CV-flags placed on a question.
@robinCTS Thanks for clarifying. I'd eventually decided that was the most likely situation, but it helps to have it confirmed.
 
6:39 PM
@DonaldDuck While the question should have been closed, having the last activity as 8 years, 3 months ago is way too old for a cv-pls. How recent the activity needs to be isn't explicitly defined (there can also be activity that doesn't appear on the question page; e.g. someone using it as a (bad) example, etc.). However, the general intent behind requests is to get action on a post more rapidly than the regular queues/reviews will provide (or enough action, for low-traffic tags).
If it's not going to benefit the community to close the question rapidly, then a cv-pls is probably not appropriate. Where that boundary is, isn't clear. But, generally, it's "will there be benefit to closing now", or "will there be harm by waiting for action in the CV-queue". For questions that haven't been active in a while (i.e. nobody's looking at them), it's unlikely that a few more hours, or days, prior to closure will make a difference.
@DonaldDuck Even this one, which last had activity 6 months ago, is a bit old for a cv-pls. Again, there's no explicitly defined time-frame, but a cv-pls request implies that there is some urgency in getting the question closed (i.e. the question is in front of people and likely to get answers).
 
@Makyen Yes, I am aware of that ;) I could have been clearer and mentioned that, theoretically, you could have done zero CVQ reviews and still have cast any number of close-votes. I sort of alluded to that with the "or less likely even more", and was thinking of mentioning that a close-votes-cast leaderboard, generated with the constraints "has any Steward badge" and "rep ≥3000", is possibly inaccurate even at rank one, with the inaccuracy increasing the further down you go.
I decided the post was long enough already and I was making a very rough first order approximation to arrive at the magic number 1000 anyway.
 
 
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8:15 PM
@robinCTS @Makyen Yeah Stack Overflow has a bit of a problem with showing different numbers in different places and making them look like they are for the same thing
^ NAA
 
8:29 PM
@Makyen it is close reviews (so not close votes) and I simply scrape what is delivered by the on-hover on the /review page: stackoverflow.com//review/user-info/2/1 and I refresh that when the websocket sends that userid, and only once a day. /cc @robinCTS
 
8:40 PM
Is this spam or just NAA?
 
@EJoshuaS I'll ask in Charcoal, just a sec
@EJoshuaS apparently it is :)
 
@EJoshuaS You linked the question. Did you mean the answer.
 
@Makyen Yes
 
Hi all! o/
 
9:02 PM
@BaummitAugen \o
 
@EJoshuaS I would say no, it's not spam, but is NAA. It appears to be more a confused user, rather than an attempt at spam (note their other answer just above (with code). It appears to be a new question about their code in the answer above. As to the answer above, it's not clear is an answer, or intended as part of a new question. I'd been assuming it was intended as an answer, but both answers combined could have been intended as a new question.
 
 
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11:01 PM
@JarrodRoberson Unfortunately, this question has a bounty. Given that there's nothing we can do about this request, I'm going to move it out. Feel free to repost the request once the bounty (and grace period) are over.
@rene Thanks for clarifying and updating the page.
@RiggsFolly This is also to a bountied Q. While the grace period ends in a couple hours, it can be an additional several hours after that prior to our actually being able to close-vote.
@JarrodRoberson @RiggsFolly Another time, please wait to post a cv-pls on a question with a bounty until the banner for the bounty is removed. We can not do anything about the request until that point. Posting a cv-pls prior to that point is counterproductive: it wastes people's time visiting a question they can't act on, and makes it unlikely they'll look at it once they can do something (i.e. the link will already show as visited, and people will rarely revisit the question).
@RiggsFolly I forgot to explicitly state: Feel free to repost the cv-pls request once it's possible for people to actually vote to close.
 
11:55 PM
^Spam
 
The question could use a close as well.
 

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