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12:05 AM
 
@JonClements Basically yes, although on a modern desktop PC soft-RAID is not really a problem as long the RAID is not degraded (which I incidentially just happen to see). It might be different with SSDs which can operate at full SATA speed (not to mention PCIe). On typical NAS it's even more relaxed. Remember typical hardwaqre-RAID adapters just have a small ARM core.
 
@toohonestforthissite you're preaching to the choir - now go sleep :)
 
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ yea, I've given up hope
 
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@toohonestforthissite you are going to see this trend in all the other tags as well. I burned every vote I had almost every day closing dupes in , I came to the same conclusion, waste of time. Honestly the quicker SO because useless to the lazy help vampires that feel entitled to be spoon fed complete custom solutions to their problems, the better it will be for the industry as a whole. Not really sure I can recommend a career in this to people in good conscience right now.
 
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@toohonestforthissite and I had my 40K account deleted for a couple of reasons, 1. as a public protest and 2. to keep me from getting bored, wasting my time on the site and continuing to be part of the problem as I see it. This room is about the only thing worth anything on SO anymore to many people like me at my level and that is because of the people not the content. And my morbid curiosity and Cassandra Complex.
 
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3:31 AM
@toohonestforthissite is what keeps me visiting back, I was 100% on the mark about "Documentation" and I am on track with the main site as well with recent turn of events.
 
jww
3:58 AM
If there are any Python hammers around, then google.com/…
 
@jww not worth that. if you mean that one^
 
 
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@FrankerZ - Thanks. I saw the other answer and was not sure what to make of it. I guess he converted a temp account to a real account?
 
@jww I'm just flagging for mod attention. It's borderline spam, wrong language, and has no affiliation.
 
5:40 AM
^ wrong link. See question not answer please.
 
@Shree This post is not a valid answer, a quality answer should not depend mainly on an external link, because if the answer is broken it will not be useful
 
@eyllanesc any idea about that question ?
 
@Shree I do not know the subject but for me at first glance it is valid since it is objectively asking for clarification on 2 elements that seem similar.
 
@eyllanesc humm thanks.
 
@Shree It would be great if you show the reason for your doubt
 
5:58 AM
@eyllanesc I think its too board to ask different use case + primary opinion base for benefits. Lets see what other say . I generate cv-plz request.
 
@Shree IMO, it's too broad/unclear. The user has linked both to another SO question and a blog and said "these don't do it for me", without making it clear exactly what it is that's not clear to them after reading those two sources. To cover the requested topic would require rehashing the contents of both references in a way that tries to overcome the user's lack of understanding and provides additional use cases for both types of Fragments.
Effectively, they're asking for about a book chapter. If they were to narrow exactly what they don't understand to something more specific than "So what is the benefit of adding these features and what are the different use cases of them", then the question might be answerable in the SO format, but right now, I don't feel it is.
 
@Makyen humm thanks.
 
@Shree what Makyen points out is correct, I generally avoid analyzing questions that I do not know, but what Makyen based on makes sense, there is no specific context.
 
 
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7:50 AM
 
8:16 AM
should we delete that one? it has a good answer (and only one good answer): stackoverflow.com/questions/53184044/…
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Too many links in answers. I voted to delete.
 
moral of the story: don't answer crap questions.
 
Fully agree, but I still miss this wisdom from time to time.
miss as in forget (sorry French bias)
 
@JarrodRoberson Yeah, I work in that area since the 90ies and were tinkering since a kid. I more and more find the idea of a nice, (not too) warm island more and more appealing. If I just had an idea how to get a PCB factory and recent hardware devices running there, I could make it a hobby again and let the industry black hole itself ;-)
 
@MatthieuBrucher I acknowledged you as a fast learner though
Way better than others do
 
8:29 AM
Thanks a lot. But still a lot to learn (in C++, moderation and lots of other stuff).
 
I've been inviting you here to get on forward with this.
 
@JarrodRoberson "Cassandra Complex" … good band ;-) - kidding. I very well know what you mean. One result of getting older and having an awake mind is noticing patterns in human behaviour and the frustration seeing the relevant persons don't see them or - worse - ignore/negate them. Mankind's attitude to avoid changes permanently make the changes come like a tsunami rather than a wave we can surf on. Shockwave Rider.
 
One problem is that you can rarely gain rep for answering questions tagged nowadays, because most of the stuff is already answered.
 
Yes, I noticed... Which is good for SO ;)
 
@toohonestforthissite Wasn't "Cassandra Complex" another german Krautrock band?
 
8:33 AM
Less for me. Tough to get the gold C++. Same for other languages like Python where lots are already covered, and for my real specialty, SO is not the best (data science would) and even worse questions.
 
@MatthieuBrucher It's mostly the askers who do all that mess, not the answerers.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Definitively not. They were/are a british formation. Wikipedia them.
 
@toohonestforthissite Sorry for being lazy at sunday mornings ;)
 
@MatthieuBrucher Python is a bit different as a lot of questions are actually about some framework like Pandas, Numpy, etc. Much bigger universe.
 
The real dark stuff with Krautrock started with the swiss formation "Amon Düül" :D
 
8:36 AM
@toohonestforthissite it is indeed, very tough to get to a question I can actually answer. For scientific Python, it's still quite properly covered.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I think you could like them. youtube.com/watch?v=7xddV9mq6NE
 
@MatthieuBrucher or you can roam in universe and various different RDBMS make it even bigger. General idea remains the same in most of the sql questions; but they are not exact duplicates.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I only know "Amon Düül II". Got a 2 CD Album from the grabbing table >20 years ago. Funny, but not exactly mine. I got stuck with the Berlin School, though which was a part of Krautrock, but very distinct.
 
@MatthieuBrucher Yeah, that's why I rarely visit this tag. I'm very familiar with the language (including the more advanced like metaprogramming) and some base libs, but not the Web/Crunching eco systems around.
 
8:42 AM
@MadhurBhaiya I need to learn first for SQL, never had a proper training (actually never had a proper training in CS in general). But lots of projects coming where I need to master new technologies. It's just that solving C++ questions is more intuitive for me (yes, I'm lazy :D age doesn't help there either)
 
@toohonestforthissite Reminds me a bit of the "Sisters of Mercy" :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ This one yes, but the texts are more critical and they also have other songs which are more punk-like or less dark. Typical great 80ies new wave imo.
 
@MatthieuBrucher Salvage is often easy, and I do that in comments. The whole thing considered more a typo or too basic syntax question, and I vote to close.
@toohonestforthissite We're really old chums :-/
 
@MatthieuBrucher I never had formal training in CS either. Learnt programming doing projects. Roaming in helped me further to know advance SQLfu tricks. From last few months, now in Top Users by 30 Days metric :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, I found most of the music and read most of the bands of that time quite recently (well, in the last 10-15 years …). In the 80ies, it were mostly particular songs being played by friends/discotheques, etc. and many EPs.
 
8:48 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes, lots of them are just dups and typos. But it takes time to write a good answer, better to clean than write a meaningless answer.
@MadhurBhaiya Thx, I'll keep this in mind.
 
@MadhurBhaiya I am forced into learn PostgreSQL ATM. My SQL skills are rusty, and the tech and paradigms have changed over the last 20 years. Thank god their documentation is extraordinarily good.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Let's say it clearly: Most questions are of the "I'm too lazy to RTFM" or "I prefer to surf the web during classes" type.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ all major RDBMS have excellent documentation - improved considerably in last few years. be it MySQL, Postgre, SQL Server, ORA..
PostgreSQL is nice - advanced that MySQL; however less popular
 
@toohonestforthissite Of course, but you're not allowed to tell 'em. :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Point is: humans are lazy. This includes myself. But I have learned not doing things right from the beginning takes more effort in the end because you have to do it twice and thrice. Problem is the distrations from "new" media ("Neuland", etc. ;-) just keep people from thinking.
 
8:56 AM
@toohonestforthissite Sure they are: stackoverflow.com/questions/53465828/…
@toohonestforthissite Well, they grow up with a feeling that it's appropriate to simply get spoonfed for learning or problem solving. I am so glad my daughter is different. She doesn't simply believe what's written at Wikipedia, or what her primary research yields. Thus bothering me with sometimes really hard questions :3 (I really had to polish my math knowledge the recent years)
 
9:15 AM
Most of the youngsters prefer "Klicki bunti" all a long. Console commands are a threat for them :3
Not to mention that I myself prefer Tortoise GUI to solve SVN problems, rather than using the console :-/
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I wouldn't care much in general, if they just didn't have that attitude. If I was after wiping a**es, I would have become nurse. And it''s not just youngsters, but a lot of our agemates, too. And increasing.
@πάνταῥεῖ I like the konqueror integration for SVN :-)
@πάνταῥεῖ He links the obvious dupe himself. I'd leave it closed.
 
@toohonestforthissite Same here.
 
9:32 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I consider qualifying users like that not needed. Don't do that
 
@rene Oki. Noted.
 
This is weird. A question was marked duplicate and closed 16 mins back: stackoverflow.com/q/53466115/2469308 - 3 mins back someone managed to post an answer on it :O
 
@MadhurBhaiya that is possible up to 4 hours.
the check is only client-side.
 
Ohh. Why such a loophole is left ? Although I remember from my initial days of answering (just 3 months back), I was preparing an answer, and suddenly a bar appeared in the top stating that no more answers can be accepted as the question is closed
Is the behaviour different for a close-voted question v/s duplicate marked question (with gold hammer) ?
 
@MadhurBhaiya nope.
 
9:54 AM
@MatthieuBrucher As I mentioned you're a fast learner. Good and valid requests.
 
@rene thanks. makes sense now.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ hanks ;)
 
@MatthieuBrucher The next step I'd recommend for you is to gain +10k rep (that looks harder than it really is), so you can see deleted posts also, and learn how we decide about these.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It takes time, that's for sure. I'm on track though, should be the case before the end of the year if I keep on (I already often have 200+ per day, so it helps).
 
@MatthieuBrucher Keep on going! You're appreciated!
 
10:09 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ :) I try to do the right thing.
 
 
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11:12 AM
@MatthieuBrucher You're improving at a much better rate than I expected ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ haha thanks.
 
11:38 AM
 
Zoe
11:52 AM
Does self-deletion and undeletion of an answer raise a mod flag when there's a NAA flag? Or is that only when it's deleted from review, and then self-undeleted?
 
 
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3:21 PM
@Zoe so far as I know no autoflag in that case
 
Zoe
Oki
 
3:41 PM
Wow! It pitch-black Sunday in CV world.
 
3:53 PM
@GertArnold What do you mean? I've almost casted all of my CV's today.
 
I only have a few left myself.
And no more question votes.
 
That's usual for November Sundays :3
 
At least I got my first gold badge out of this :p
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Seemed to be a larger number of hopeless homework questions than "normal"
 
@GertArnold No, nothing bigger than the usual 1st semester VLQ tsunami registered by our sensors here :3
And even if so, what data should we deduce? Their teachers/professors getting even dumber than they already are? More students subscribed to their courses?
@MatthieuBrucher Brave guy, son :3
 
4:03 PM
This week, I was considering sending a harsh email to one of the teachers of a renown finance masters in France because the candidates they are sending us are ridiculously bad at C++
Apparently catch up class, only 2 weeks, the teacher doesn't want them to use auto, he splits teaching C++03 and C++11 because he says that finance companies are not yet using C++11.
We just moved to C++17... Just ridiculous how out of touch they are.
 
@MatthieuBrucher Yeah, they're not conscious about the harm they do to the professional/industrial software development. Education quality is as low as can be nowadays.
Numerous times I had to bang new colleagues in shape and teaching them the do's and dont's. And even worse they even disn't grasp the very basic terminologies.
 
I have the opportunity to do for a training I'm doing for my branch. Unfortunately, only the new guys will have to do it.
 
@MatthieuBrucher I actually wouldn't be surprised. They still use a lot of COBOL stuff in banking. And for Science, ForTran is also still used a lot.
 
@toohonestforthissite Ah, we have a similar for the c++ realm. It's even mentioned in the what not to ask list of the wiki.
 
I sometimes wonder which punch-card system their webservers use.
 
4:15 PM
@toohonestforthissite For quant stuff, we use mainly C++ and Python (with pandas). I agree the old banking stuff is COBOL, but for quant (stochastic calculus), it's C++.
 
@toohonestforthissite Hmm, if I'd have stuck with COBOL, I'd be probably a very rich man today. Villa, Yacht, number of various Porsches, girls ad nauseam :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ This one is actually aware it's UB. He just didn't read compare with the previous version the cannonical dupes are for. Or read the intro to C17 which is very clear about not changing anything; it's just a bugfix release - unfortunately. Even C2x struggles not to break any of the old rubbish.
In C++, the semantics actually did change with C++14 or 17 (or 11?), so the question would have been valid back then. (better: the cannonical updated)
@MatthieuBrucher Yeah, I got some project offers for Python in Financial business. Had to refuse, because that's not my world. Maybe I should reconsider; embedded is becomming less fun with the companies here. But then I think that's a global problem.
 
@toohonestforthissite If you like proper code, don't do the same mistake I did. finance is all about getting number in the next second. The fact that tomorrow the same code can't be run is not a problem.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ … wearing a blonde fluffy on the head, being an a**whole, becoming president, … Nah, that's not worth it.
@MatthieuBrucher sigh that's why I think about changing job to cooking or so. It's on the same way in all programming areas and even hardware development. Skills are replaced by processes.
 
@toohonestforthissite Oh, if there was a process, I would be happy...
 
4:28 PM
@MatthieuBrucher One of the really relevant patterns for finance is to use the Money type instead of plain double precision values. I'd better not tell how many of defects are present in my current company's software. My boss would blame me doing such in the public :-/
@toohonestforthissite Well, let's be fair. He doesn't know about anything. Being a COBOL specialist is something different.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Haha, me too. Only I advertise who I work for on my profile. I should probably flood the channel to get rid of my rant :p
 
I am just wondering. That pattern is around for a number of decades. And all those so called financial programming experts missed it all over the time?? I am not so much a factual oriented programmer (more of what saves their nuts), but that's really baffling (and may be an outcome of bad education).
 
@MatthieuBrucher Oh, I'm fine with processes. As long I can define them and add something like "Other approaches are possible if they yield beter results easier and with less bureaucracy".
@πάνταῥεῖ Meh, just use long double. That should fix it ;-)
@πάνταῥεῖ My bad, I confused COBOL and cabal
 
@toohonestforthissite youtube.com/watch?v=Rrj3-MhbEmY :3
There were several cases that software developers became rich for just implementing backdoors to transfer all rounding differences to their private bank accounts. :D
@toohonestforthissite No, you confused "highly skilled specialist for a rarely used technique" with "blatant idiot doted with heritage money acting in the public" :3
 
5:05 PM
I probably need a shower now. Touched too much crap this day ...
Or even better a bath: facebook.com/…
Just need to take care about my clothes :3
 
Another "rant" about these silly daily vote caps.
 
6:44 PM
I am out of DV/CV's again today. It's really frustrating and discouraging to meet that point. Some of you might find at the same point today. Consider to support my feature request at MSO if you like.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ inb4haveyoutriedtwitter
 
@E_net4iskindandwelcoming I am on twitter, but my concerns there go more to that blatant toupet wearing idiot who believes he's the president of the world. I have some respects about scaling, yes.
Very good my daughters and sons. It feels like a hot cup of chamomile tea being supported :3
 
7:00 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Agree
 
@MatthieuBrucher ty
We probably have to bite our ways through the crusts that were setup the early days, and even worse to fight against the newbie cuddlers which are doing that to save their business asses.
@Tiny Want to chime in here?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ yes indeed. Well, hopefully one day I'll be able to help you for duplicates, at least it will be a start. Still the same issue for bad questions though...
 
@MatthieuBrucher Google is great for finding dupes, It usually takes me less than a minute,
 
Finding dupes is easy; getting an early gold hammer is hard :-/
 
@MadhurBhaiya Indeed. That's the main issue. You also need to be able to know it's a duplicate.
@πάνταῥεῖ Seems like Google is better than the internal duplicate search...
 
7:12 PM
@MatthieuBrucher It's way better, yes.
 
@MatthieuBrucher google is way better.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ This was a bit over the line.
 
user4639281
7:28 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ just have to soldier through. Those who do the most thankless work generally tend to have a more difficult time regardless. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and frankly we are just too subservient to squeak loud enough or in unison.
 
@Makyen Mentioning sex?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ He's our certified fun killer
 
@FrankerZ I appreciate him tho :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Basically, yes. There was no reason to go with that metaphor.
 
If anything, you've just drawn more attention to it
 
7:31 PM
@Makyen I was just remembering the early days I started my communication with Queenie.
 
@FrankerZ That was one possible/probable result.
 
user4639281
@FrankerZ That isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
What's up, Doc?
 
user4639281
Daruf
 
. youtube.com/watch?v=XpAWpgZV-K0 and think around the corner :-)
 
7:52 PM
Hi everyone. What's the timeout until an answer can be accepted?
 
@Tiny What do you really think`Would there be any harm done to unleash unlimited DV/CV's for trusted users?
@ThomasWeller There's no timeout at all IIRC
 
@ThomasWeller it's should be 15min and 2 days if you self answer your own question
 
@ThomasWeller 15 minutes, or 2 days if the answerer is also the OP
 
@Thomas And hi BTW o/
@FrankerZ What??
 
I'm answering his question.
Was it confusing?
 
7:57 PM
Thanks for the answers. I knew about the 2 days for self-answering, but the 15 minutes seem to be quite long.
 
Leaves enough room for others to provide a possible better answer
 
@FrankerZ Yes, completely. Are we talking about the earliest time an answer can be accepted, or about if there's a timeout for doing so overall?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Earliest an answer can be accepted
 
Thanks for the reference. I looked on meta.so and couldn't find anything
 
@ThomasWeller Your question was a bit weird/unclear. You were asking about the earliest point of time to accept, not a timeout no?
 
8:00 PM
@ThomasWeller IMHO the 15 min should be increased so we don't accept the first answer that solve the issue without explanation because the great answers will come later.
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ No, I doubt it. That majority of users don't reach the limit now, and the burnout argument doesn't seem to be based in research or fact, so even if we just learned for a fact that increasing/removing the limit would cause burnout, that would be valuable knowledge.
 
No matter what I asked, the 15 minutes explain what I was looking for :-)
That time is calculated from asking the question, not posting an answer.
 
@ThomasWeller Be precise when asking please!
 
It's sometimes hard as a non-native speaker.
 
user4639281
It's sometimes hard.
 
8:03 PM
@ThomasWeller C'mon!
 
Really. What would the correct question have been?
 
Timeout is a pretty much well defined term.
 
Please consider that I didn't know whether that timespan was calculated from asking or answering.
 
@ThomasWeller Asking about the earliest point of time for accepting maybe.
 
Maybe. But you're not so sure yourself ;-)
 
8:06 PM
@ThomasWeller Don't play possum with us please!
 
That's definitely too much for my English.
Thanks for answering. And I'll be happy to post cv-pls next time I'm here
 
@ThomasWeller Your question communicated what you were interested in. That's the important part. Could it have been better? Of course, but that's the case for most of what's said here (by everyone, native speaker or not).
 
@ThomasWeller Where are you coming from?
 
Germany
 
8:11 PM
Fine. So you know some of those people talking German-English, e.g. translating "muss nicht" into "must not" causing a lot of confusion? My English is not that bad, but still very bad.
 
Feel free to contact me about English lessons for software developers. Occasionally I would do that even for free ;)
(free as in free beer of course)
:3
 
8:39 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre We probably should discuss here or even in a private chat ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Do you also provide English for runaways?
 
@toohonestforthissite Of course, that's my primary course ;)
50 EUR per lesson
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Maybe Peter, Paul and Mary are interested. Unfortunately they are sitting in the kitchen the next 5 years ;-)
 
LOL
That's Otto, no?
 
8:49 PM
@toohonestforthissite Great. He's currently celebrated with his 70th birthday.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I occasionally enjoy his old stuff. Too bad he didn't do anything real new since decades, but just keeps the old stuff warm.
 
 
 
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