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12:08 AM
while i still got some del votes left. in LQP queue now and they are disappearing fast
 
@Nkosi Well we just rolled over 00:00 so new votes
 
that is exactly what i mean
i was empty within the first hour yesterday
 
Heh
 
An i am already down to single digits now
 
I usually try to burn a few in the Magic Tag for PHP. Some people troll the 10k tools for del burns
 
12:12 AM
everything you just said was greek to me
i speak english by the way. lol
 
user4639281
waffles
 
user4639281
 
still trying to figure out 5000 what. waffles?
:)
 
@Nkosi Magic Tag userscript. It lets you build your own CV or DelV queue for any tag out there
 
@Machavity Ohhh [facepalm]
 
12:16 AM
I search for questions in the PHP tag that have 1 delete already. I make them 2 and that puts them at the top of the 10k tools delete page
 
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@Nkosi I meant to put 5000 in the archiver scripts input, but I put it in the chat input instead.
 
There's some people who check that list frequently and will finish them off for me
 
@TinyGiant yeah i was confused for the brief sec it was up.
 
I've probably gotten rid of 100+ old bad questions that way
 
hmm interesting.
 
user4639281
12:18 AM
I always love putting the magic tag review script at minimum 4 cv's in [javascript] then running through and every single one of my votes closes the question.
 
scurries off to tools to see what all the fuss is about
 
@Machavity I don't think you linked the script you intended.
 
yeah that is magic editor :)
 
Whoops, so it is. Here's Magic Tag
 
I see what you meant about 10K tools. why am I now seeing this. lol
i've learned more about these things in the last week alone
@Machavity bookmarked & starred
right back to the queue
ok those 2 just cleaned me out.
33 minutes and I'm empty. :)
 
user4639281
12:36 AM
@Nkosi We're really good at making tools to help you spend your votes very quickly
 
apparently. lol
 
user4639281
Just wait until I get the review enhancements script sorted out. Until recently it loaded the full post for each review so you can up/down-vote, flag, edit, etc from any review queue. Now it just gets you an ip ban.
 
yeah saw a few people mention it (the ip issue) a few days ago
 
user4639281
Yeah, since I started writing scripts for SO, they've pumped up the rate limiting quite a bit.
 
user4639281
?
 
user4639281
12:42 AM
%llu = long long unsigned?
 
by golly i think he's solved it. lol
 
user4639281
well I would imagine that would have some interesting results, and make very little sense.
 
@QPaysTaxes now i have to hover cautiously over any links from the unicorn before clicking.
 
user4639281
I powerslid a quad consistently for 45 minutes today.
 
onced rick rolled twice shy
aww H no.
i don't think so.
that ship sailed the first few times. and i walked right into them each time.
 
user4639281
12:46 AM
I do love my rick-roll-identifier.user.js
 
user4639281
Nevahr!!!
 
user4639281
Then I wouldn't be able to rick roll anyone
 
So you can find a way around it. lol
I'm on to you
 
user4639281
Speaking of things we weren't speaking of, y'all just lost the game
 
....damit
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes That will only work on the first page load, you would have to listen to the web socket and do some other funky stuff to make that work, but even that is naive because there are other rick roll videos. Mine actually requests each link provided, then scans the source for any mention of "rick", "roll", "astley", "never gonna", "never going to", etc, then based on how many times each word is mentioned it ranks each link based on a score between 0 and 9.
 
user4639281
I really don't like that song
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes that's cheezy
 
@TinyGiant join the club
@QPaysTaxes smh
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes interestingly that registered as a 9 due to the comments
 
12:54 AM
lol
 
user4639281
I'd rather not
 
user4639281
Personally, I don't think there is a pleasant way to be rick rolled
 
It's only a rickroll if you get annoyed
 
user4639281
Unless it's like walking into a room with rick astley tied above a trap door to a shark pool singing that song, only to realize that you've stepped on a tile that happens to be a trigger to drop rick into the pool.
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes far worse
 
12:58 AM
@QPaysTaxes i wont let curiosity get the better of me [repeat x 10]
lol
i will definitely take your word on that one
 
Wait, I was sure that our intense hate for Bieber was only surpassed by PHP
Was I wrong?
 
league all their own.
 
The PHP channel has a rickroll-esque Friday thing, linking to Rebecca Black's Friday video
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes [...document.querySelectorAll('a')].forEach(a => a.href.indexOf("dQw4w9WgXcQ") > -1 && (a.style.background = '#FF0000'))
 
user4639281
:P
 
1:03 AM
@JanDvorak Wait, what's TLSv2?
 
user4639281
gotta run, no fires mmkay?
 
> dovecot: imap-login: Fatal: Invalid ssl_protocols setting: Unknown protocol 'TLSv2'
nope
 
@Braiam I think he's trolling you. There's nothing higher than TLS 1.2 AFAIK
 
@Machavity nope, 1.3 is a thing
 
@Braiam So it is. Just not widely adopted yet I guess. I've not seen anything in web servers at any rate
 
 
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2:16 AM
@fire alive?
ok, it's dead on the RPi cc @NobodyNada
starting a backup..
 
2:35 AM
If I could replace my dad's singing with Rick's song, that would be a great trade.
 
3:02 AM
Does this site even have standards anymore?
 
@TigerhawkT3: seriously. It's always been a battle between quality and dumps, and the dumps always win.
 
I think I'm gonna post a low-quality question for some easy upvotes.
I don't have nearly enough questions.
And by "low-quality" I mean in my opinion, which is obviously erroneous.
 
3:15 AM
@AshishAhuja I'm at high school group at church right now; will reboot in an hour or sp
 
@NobodyNada ok sure, np!
anyway, I'm going to be running my backup instance till night
@TigerhawkT3 I've already voted on it :(
 
I don't know how it got so much attention. I checked the Python chat room and there's no mention of it.
I'm trying to decide whether I should ask a question on this account or a new one.
 
nvm
though that "don't be annoying" comment is snarky, I raised a rude flag on it
 
3:33 AM
@AshishAhuja There's a wide gap between the "Be Nice" rule and the rude/offensive flag.
 
Not according to several declined flags.
 
@TigerhawkT3 that never happened to me ...
 
@AshishAhuja Just wait for your first one. It will hit when you least expect it. :-)
@QPaysTaxes My most recent ones were on some plagiarism. Paraphrasing the mod's decline reasons: Plagiarism is fine in a question.
 
The criteria for "rude/offensive" is if most people would find it so (even if they weren't the target). If a post actually offended someone, that alone doesn't justify that flag.
 
3:41 AM
@QPaysTaxes Yeah, I agree. The meta question is mostly written. I've procrastinated a bit on finishing it up.
 
Basically.
Unfortunate that consensus is more important than reality.
"This fruit is healthy. You should eat it." "I'm allergic to it." "Eat it."
That's why I'm saying it's disjointed from reality. Most restaurants see no problem with serving bread, but if a customer makes it clear that they're allergic to gluten and then orders a salad with no croutons, a cook who tosses croutons into their salad is going to get a talking-to.
According to these rules, though, the customer would simply be told "well, I'm not allergic to gluten, so stop complaining about the croutons."
?
Yes; now extend that to the rude/offensive "consensus."
Most people aren't allergic to X, so deal with it. Most people aren't offended by X, so deal with it.
The whole point of those rules is to try to prevent people from being hurt.
Like, the relevant characteristic of "I would be offended by X"?
The current rule doesn't generalize that.
That's a hard-coded "offense."
The n-word is a well-known offensive word. There are all manner of ways to be offensive without hitting a hot-button issue.
Passive-aggressive language and sarcasm generally do it. For example, "I'd love to explain these basic concepts to you, but I have more important things to do. Check a tutorial while I'm gone, and maybe you'll learn something."
Now imagine it coming at the end of a long argument.
Someone dancing at the edge of rude/offensive, trying their best to be offensive as possible without getting a flag, isn't being nice. But they're not going to get their comment removed for being rude/offensive, either.
There's a difference between assuming good intentions and ignoring context.
As long as that question gets closed and deleted, I'll feel a little better.
 
4:21 AM
in /dev/chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Mar 21 '15 at 15:17, by Gilles
@RubberDuck Lesson in moderation: moderation is about people, not about words.
 
@FireAlarm -1?
 
4:38 AM
So hard to know which questions can be answered for a bunch of rep and which will be immediately deleted as soon as you answer so the professor doesn't see. >.>
Oooooo it's the same user as that "few unique characters" one above, who vandalized their question.
Oh. That question is where they got the code for the question I answered. I think I'll raise a custom mod flag.
...Or do we care?
 
 
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5:51 AM
@RiggsFolly another one for you ^^
 
6:31 AM
@JanDvorak because I find them utterly annoying and disturbing, specially when they are used in an ongoing discussion. Not all rules stem from meta, some are just there to make sure this room doesn't look like kindergarten or a Christmas tree, whatever suits you.
 
6:46 AM
Morning \o
 
high-fives your waving hands
 
7:01 AM
@rene how is a screenshot of an SO question "utterly annoying and disturbing"?
How about post quotes? They barely contain any imagery and they don't take up space either.
 
7:14 AM
@JanDvorak you mean oneboxing chat messages?
 
chat messages and posts
chat message quotes don't even contain the user avatar, IIRC
They can be useful for on-topic discussions.
 
@JanDvorak I've always oneboxed chat message quotes, though AFAIK post quotes are discouraged
 
@JanDvorak You mean the ones with > quoted text? Those are fine. screenshots and one-boxed questions have been used to prove a point where the only argument was the screenshot/post without any context. That is not what I call a discussion but a re-iteration of random stuff. The disallowing of one-boxes prevents that the user with the best search fu comes up with most applicable post. It kind of makes it necessary to write (as in use words and sentences) to support your case. cont....
 
@rene uh, I think Jan means these quotes (which I always do):
51 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak
They can be useful for on-topic discussions.
 
7:18 AM
Hmm Ok
 
post quotes are what happens if you post a bare link to a post (AKA question or answer)
 
@AshishAhuja I'm kind of OK with those ... as long it isn't one of those frigging nested ones ...
 
@rene "kind of OK"? What's wrong with them?
 
the whole point is that this room should be SFW as some of us, like myself, have this window open while at a workplace
yes
 
chat quotes and post quotes keep the room safe
 
7:21 AM
thanks @QPaysTaxes so helpful
 
so do (most) screenshots of posts
 
@rene in SOBotics once @M.A.R. continuously did a nested quote which went more than one page.. we finally moved it to trash ... resisting
 
Also, that. People won't magically write good descriptions just because you forbid bare links. They'll post bare links with a dot, or a backtick, or with a white flower emoji.
 
@JanDvorak but if that popsup right here and now in the transcript it is kind of hard to avoid, right?
 
@AshishAhuja Well that was an interesting test to see how it would handle the text after a while...
 
7:24 AM
@JanDvorak cool, a white flower emoji
 
@rene why would you avoid post screenshots?
 
I used to have SO open at a workplace.
 
I was creating a layout for a website, which I filled with dummy text, and then GoogleChrome told me that the page was in latin and showed me a button to translate the page >_>
 
@JanDvorak because I might not be in a position right now to have a look at it. When it is bare in the transcript I would have to close the window. What do you want to achieve with allowing screenshots?
 
@QPaysTaxes Something about pain, I would guess
 
7:29 AM
afk food
 
@rene what's wrong with allowing things by default?
 
@QPaysTaxes I clicked on the "nope" button.
really afk
 
Lack of coffee indicator: been reading meta, reading VTC... thinking... Vote Trade Center!
 
Nah, those idiots won't get into an election here.
 
I mean: SOCVR -- Vote Trade Center :p
just joked
 
7:32 AM
Oh, and disallowing colorful images doesn't prevent long chains of off-topic chatter ;-)
 
Lorem ipsum?
 
@QPaysTaxes yeah, you tossed us this link already :-)
at one point he was struck by an airplane?
 
@JanDvorak because it proved to be disturbing in the past. If you go back to 2013/2014 in the transcript this was one happy onebox place.
 
I'm gonna do a Drunkard's Walk, too.
 
@rene Those were the days my friend, I hoped they never end'
 
7:36 AM
especially the one-box fiestas!
 
@rene how about something between cat galore and a place where we banish people for quoting stuff? How about "SFW on-topic images only"?
When's it?
I want a room meeting. Someone's got to put a stop to this madness.
 
@JanDvorak then we get a debate which images that might be. Because you probably start that right after this. The current rule is both clear, enforceable and it doesn't hamper day to day operation of this room.
 
Waffles4rene
 
@rene well, except when we trash some newcomer's innocent post quote and he lashes out he did nothing wrong.
 
@QPaysTaxes feel free to open an issue on the github repo. See socvr.org/roomMeetings
 
7:43 AM
What if we require every message to start with a backtick? That would be just as enforceable and clear, still wouldn't hamper day to day conversation, and it would prevent oneboxes, be easier to pick up by newcomers, and it would trim down the number of bots that visit us.
@rene what would be wrong with such a debate?
 
@JanDvorak yep, that is the only case where it goes wrong but that is an understandable corner case, that either gets corrected swiftly, moved or left for history.
@JanDvorak newcomers would still not get that and is two keystrokes for me
 
corrected swiftly = the victim gets chat-banned for complaining about deletion, then chat-banned again when he returns after 30 minutes and asks (still inappropriately) why he was banned?
@rene ` I mean, like this
`plus, it would add something to our room "culture"
`a positive quirk, for some values of "positive"
 
@JanDvorak I see a FAQ with 100 image examples of allowed and disallowed images ;) and numerous pings to RO's: That image isn't within the rules.
 
@rene just a simple "on-topic and safe for work" would do
Just to note: putting everyone in jail also cuts down the number of lawyers ;-)
 
If you outlaw oneboxes, only outlaws will have oneboxes!
 
7:50 AM
@JanDvorak I have never kicked a new user for posting a one-box. I did explain our rules and asked them to correct their comment. I don't like you bring that up to support your argument.
@JanDvorak would it be that simple you think?
 
I don't say "kicked". I meant a move to trash, to which someone might react with complaining. The complaints would be posted in a way that warrants chat flags. I may have seen that happen.
@rene at least until you open up for a discussion about allowing more fine-tuned classes of images ;-)
 
Maybe we need a rule "New comers are allowed to break some of the rulezzz but not people that the name starts with Jan"
 
@PetterFriberg hey, don't single me out
 
@JanDvorak better now?
 
hiya @PEt \o
 
7:54 AM
\o
 
@PetterFriberg no
 
@JanDvorak nevar
 
ok Jan, I will study a better solution for later.
 
@PetterFriberg hehe cruel rule
 
@rene well, at least we'd be stuck with something less needlessly restrictive than we are now ;-)
 
7:57 AM
sure, we'll see in the next room meeting then, if the topic gets enough traction.
 
Thanks
 
hands rene the chainsaw
 
@kayess Rene is a flower, not a tree
 
@JanDvorak you never know it with rene
 
Yeah, I know what they say: on the Internet, nobody knows you're a human.
 
8:00 AM
tempted to link relevant xkcd
 
It should be fine if you prepend it with đź’®
 
or perhaps 🌼
 
How about requiring a non-breaking space? When new users send a message without one, we can shout "can't you tell?"
 
That would cause more shouting and confusion, not less
<- grab your NBSP while they're free
 
8:05 AM
back
 
Who would enforce the NBSP rule, though?
 
← Excessive Zeal™
 
@JanDvorak @Sam will write a bot
 
I eagerly await ShoutBot 1.0.
 
8:08 AM
bots don't have room owner abilities
 
@QPaysTaxes I translated the lorem text now: i.stack.imgur.com/UlMMg.png
 
@JanDvorak well, that is also just a rule which can be contested in a room meeting.
@AshishAhuja Terror targeted at the entire Playstation
 
@JanDvorak IIRC, sam wrote a library to perform RO activities through a bot ^.^
@rene yup :p
 
8:24 AM
Morning
 
Morning :)
 
@Lankymart \o
 
@FelixSFD nice start today :D
morning Lankymart
 
Nice and busy this morning... :D
 
9:12 AM
He's trolling. Member since today and unregistered
 
9:38 AM
Hiya
 
@BhargavRao Hello!
 
Jello
 
@FireAlarm Flagged as too broad (VLQ, not MCVE may works too)
 
Apart from the flower, am I the only one who actually likes the no-one-box rule? o_O
 
9:48 AM
@BhargavRao I'm fine with it as well.
 
One real bad issue with images is, when you load a transcript, the images load a bit later, so the message which you want to read keep getting pushed down.
 
10:01 AM
I am certainly getting a lot of seemingly inexplicable downvotes lately. Does that mean I'm doing things wrong, or right?
 
@TigerhawkT3 revenge voting? do they look like serial downvotes?
 
@tripleee More of the former, I'd say. Hard to tell, sometimes.
Inexplicable™!
 
@TigerhawkT3 no, it means you're popular. Without revenge votes you don't really count. Welcome to the club.
 
@rene Thanks! Is there a hat?
 
At the end of the year, yes, there will be an hat.
 
10:05 AM
The hat isn't... digital... is it?
Because let me tell you, a digital hat is a glove.
 
silence...
 
A digital hat is a glove? o.O
 
Digits, fingers.
 
@TigerhawkT3 if you can find a pattern, use the /contact page and explain. They'll reverse it for you
 
Wow
That is... wow.
 
10:08 AM
?
 
@BhargavRao I'll keep an eye out, but I don't suppose "I tried to remind some regulars of the site policies and now I seem to have a downvote bullseye painted on my posts" is much of a pattern. :P
 
Sometimes, I leave the downvotes on my answers, because it'll have cost them 1 point as well.
 
I just have this tiny voice in the back of my head reminding me that future visitors might see the negative answers and avoid what I think is good information.
 
Luckily, all my revenge votes were on answers which had 5 or 6 votes.
 
@TigerhawkT3 I just went over your profile. Don't worry about that being good information ;)
I'm such a great motivator
 
10:14 AM
@rene Oo, savage! :P
 
BTW, Tigerhawk you have a fan
 
for cooling?
 
Well, this fan was pretty heated
So I guess the air-conditioning was broken
 
Heh, a comment calling me a troll has two upvotes.
 
Yes, because those type of comments are pretty funny and might encourage the commenter to post even more.
With more evidence the proper action will be clear.
 
10:22 AM
@rene I hadn't even thought of that...
 
@TigerhawkT3 I'm evil, please don't pay attention to me.
 
@TigerhawkT3 if the comment literally calls you a "troll", it's rude IMO
 
@rene Role model material!
 
waffles
 
10:27 AM
Yeah, just thought of editing right away
Some people would not want to see your true face
 
yeah, better for all parties
 
@AshishAhuja rofl
 
The horror!
 
@AshishAhuja well done ;)
 
10:35 AM
@rene you wanna die?!? :o
 
:D
 
@rene So it's going to be a masquerade in April?
 
Don't give him ideas
 
@Adriaan carnaval is over ...
 
@rene thank God for that.
 
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