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12:42 AM
evening all o/
 
 
1 hour later…
1:59 AM
@QPaysTaxes Depends on the length of the code. But not right now, you just caught me on the way to bed. Is it urgent or can we do it at the weekend?
@QPaysTaxes drop me a link and I'll have a look when I have time. But I don't promise I'll look at it before weekend, ok?
 
@QPaysTaxes Cool!
@QPaysTaxes ...thanks?
 
@QPaysTaxes For a start: never ever typedef object pointers (i.e. to data types)! Not only it obfuscates your code, but it also lets namespace explode if you want qualifier-correct (const, volatile, _Atomic`) code.
 
@fire alive
?
@NobodyNada did fire crash again?
 
Seems frozen
 
2:08 AM
@QPaysTaxes That's not a good counter argument. You have to if you need their properties.
 
@NobodyNada while you're here, could you join the dev room for a minute?
 
@QPaysTaxes Ok. I just had a short look at the code. I leave the tab open and refesh when I continue. Otherwise ping me with a new link.
@QPaysTaxes ... off - good night!
 
@Olaf cya
 
user1593881
o/
 
user1593881
Good morning.
 
2:17 AM
@RawN hello
 
2:40 AM
@YvetteColomb Voted to delete that
 
user3956566
@Machavity thanks. I need to get more rep to get 20k.
 
user1593881
\o/
 
user3956566
\o
 
user1593881
Hello Yvette, how are things down under?
 
user3956566
good thanks, how are you?
 
user1593881
2:48 AM
Not too bad. Looking for an apartment, relocation blues.
 
user3956566
:/
 
user3956566
good luck with that
 
user1593881
Thanks, the employer hands out cash, looking for a shelter is not the part of the package.
 
user1593881
@QPaysTaxes Good night Q.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:33 AM
o/
 
6:49 AM
@Seth \o
 
7:04 AM
Moonring
 
@M.A.R. Ptichforks :)
 
@M.A.R. moonring
 
7:29 AM
@FireAlarm Is this likelihood in percentages or what?
 
@M.A.R. not percentages. It uses a Bayesian algorithm, so the lower the number the greater the accuracy
the algo is based on Art's description
 
Ahh, so or what
 
user3956566
I'm too lazy to get more rep sigh
 
@AshishAhuja Shouldn't you feedback it first? o:
@YvetteColomb You are >10k already o.ö
 
@Seth I already did, through FDSC ;)
 
7:34 AM
I am sitting at 1/10th of your rep, not even :|
@AshishAhuja FDSC?
 
Pfff, rep plebs :P
3
 
@Seth Flag Dialog Smokey Controls. An amazing userscript
 
@Cerbrus Show-off :(
 
it feedbacks automatically to smokey if you flag as spam
 
@Seth FDSC
 
7:35 AM
and shows the current feedbacks on the post
 
@AshishAhuja @Cerbrus Ah, thanks :D
 
It's a-maze-ing. </trump voice>
 
Roughly 1.4 years with 200 rep each day & I will be at 100k... So you could say that I'm getting close :)
 
user3956566
@Seth meh I should get over 20k
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus can you login to my account and answer questions for me and get me to 20k I can't be bothered :D
 
7:40 AM
@YvetteColomb 10k is good though
 
@YvetteColomb I can, and I'd get both banned in the meantime. Sockpuppeting and all that.
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus ooh we both would O>O
 
user3956566
I just need to go an answer one question per week @AshishAhuja @Seth @QPaysTaxes please pressure me
 
user3956566
from one Sunday to the next
 
@YvetteColomb Get to work!
 
7:43 AM
@YvetteColomb heh, I'll throw Kyll at you when you don't answer questions :p
 
EEK!
That's a one-box!
 
user3956566
lol hm ok you really need to hassle me @Cerbrus
 
user3956566
Yes no one is concerned that he wants to whip a programmer, just that it's oneboxed LOLOL
 
user3956566
@AshishAhuja oh yeh, that's gross I will do it. BUT first I must go and feed my horses \o
 
Morning \o
 
7:53 AM
@kayess \o
 
@AshishAhuja \o
 
@Cerbrus Who yo callin' plebs?
Plop everyonez
 
@Kyll plop
 
@Kyll Anyone :P
 
 
Just 1 more :D
 
@Makyen Very nice work on these comments
 
@Kyll Was that ironic as he didn't leave a comment on the last , or a pat on the back for the extensive comments left on the 'd questions above? :3
 
8:18 AM
@Seth Pat on the back. I don't do ironic before I've had my second coffee.
 
@Kyll Ah, thought so :D
I've had only one coffee thus far. Xtra-Large though ^_^
 
@Seth stackoverflow.com/q/42385492/4688119 the comments on this post I guess
 
@AshishAhuja That was what the latter part of my message referred to :D
 
You have to use length not lenght. — Alexandru-Ionut Mihai 1 min ago
 
@Kyll ty
 
8:19 AM
wafflez
 
Ah waffles
We could use a SmokeDetector autoflagging system for stuff like this.
 
^ As a reminder...
Be goddamn Nice, people.
 
"Please don't do <x>" is nice.
 
Meh. Could be better. If my auto-comments are better than someone's hand-written comment, there's something wrong.
@AshishAhuja Yesh.
 
Auto-comments tend to be more verbose than hand-written comments...
 
8:23 AM
Your auto-comment is thanking him for writing an answer he shouldn't have written in the first place.
Imo, thanking him is counter-productive.
 
I'm all for positive reinforcement, even in mistakes. What you did right: Participating! What you did wrong: The question is a typo.
 
"What you did right: Participating" I disagree
 
Thank you for sharing your view with us, @Kyll
 
@Cerbrus I know you do
 
Now I know you know I do
 
8:26 AM
At least, it's slightly better PR-wise.
 
I can't completely agree there either.
 
I know you know I know you do.
 
A better comment is:
Instead of pointing out a typo ("#refresh" instead of "refresh"), you should rather flag to close as a simple typographical error. Such questions (and answers) are unlikely to help future visitors. — Kyll 16 mins ago
 
Now that commenter isn't nice
 
Doesn't encourage / thank for those typo answers, and explains why typos shouldn't be answered
Yea, I heard he's quite a rodent.
 
8:30 AM
Got to grant you this one, but I didn't feel like being any nicer due to the apparent laziness of the answer: Didn't even format the code...
Also the answerer's rep will weigh into my decision whether or not to be super nice or just okay nice
If it's a new user they need guidance, if it's an established user they need a reminder
 
@Kyll "Reminder" as in "Poke them a bit with the spear"? c:
 
@Seth =D
 
@Kyll 20k+
 
@JanDvorak sigh
 
@Sot FYI, those two were undeleted. I'm just moving on.
Hiya o/
 
8:40 AM
Hey fish! o/
 
@Kyll gone
 
@Tunaki Yes, flagging VLQ though
 
@Tunaki It is not an actual answer to the stated question, but an NAA flag will be declined, as it looks like an attempt to answer the question.
 
@Makyen Well, some question at least. Not sure which.
 
Fact: Death is the best form of Crowd Control. — BgrWorker 1 hour ago
 
@Kyll Right, but NAA flags are basically for things that are obviously not answers. They are not for things that take any domain knowledge to know that it's not an actual answer. Such answers are what 20k+ delete votes are for.
 
9:02 AM
@Makyen Yep, agreed
 
@JanDvorak Depends. If you have something that revives instantly, death isn't the best CC form for sure :)
 
Always attack the healer first.
How do I closevote an answer as unclear?
 
9:19 AM
@JanDvorak Get 733 more rep. Then you can do it.
 
9:29 AM
How would you narrow it down?
 
9:44 AM
TIL there's an SE site on vegetarianism.
 
@JanDvorak Yes :|
 
@JanDvorak Q: What kinds of vegan meat are there? Is steak vegan?
 
But that's not that bad, if it's fact-based & no "OMIGUD, U KILL DEM ANIMALZ, U R UNNATURAL!"
 
more like "what major religions promote or require vegetarianism?"
 
I find some vegetarian recipes to be quite delicious actually c: I don't eat meat that often, but buy them from my local butcher instead (higher quality, higher price).
 
9:48 AM
> How do you tell if someone's a vegan?
> Don't worry, they will tell you.
 
Yep.
Mostly :D
Joy of being in a family of 6: Atleast 2 persons are not okay with the dish served.
G2g now, cya later o/
 
That's why you always prepare 2x3 meals, not, 1x6
 
@JanDvorak Did you mean me and the access DOM of inactive tab question? I've added a more specific comment on the question. Another user who participates in that tag is also asking/commenting. The OP is editing, so it may be improved.
 
10:02 AM
Firefox now 100% ES2016 goodness!
cc @Tiny
 
"Exponentiation Operator" > sweeet
Not sure why "they" chose ** over ^ , though
 
> IE 11 - 4%
 
^ is already taken
 
oh?
 
XOR
 
10:05 AM
For what?
Oh right. Duh...
 
Other languages use ** for exponentiation also
Python at least
 
Haskell has **, ^ and ^^
 
As expected, Edge is trailing behind. Maybe at least it won't be as awful as IE
Still no TCO anywhere =(
 
I want the for await..of iteration so bad in JS (cc @Madara)
 
10:10 AM
@Kyll Me too :(
To be fair, if you have async functions, you can have it kinda
 
Did you see the link above?
 
for (const valuePromise of asyncIterable) {
  const value = await valuePromise;
  // rest
}
 
Did you see the link above?
 
@Kyll I think we should finish with ES2015, before we jump to ES2016 though
 
Firefox won the race!
 
10:11 AM
No browser supports import yet
 
And TCO =(
 
ES2016 is tiny compared to ES2015
 
Yeah
I heard / read somewhere they want to swing between a large update and a small update every year
Seems fine to me
With async/await, SIMD, Shared buffers coming to ES2017...
 
What an odd version numbering.
... or even, depending on the cycle they catch
 
> Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance
 
10:16 AM
Yepp
 
10:37 AM
afk
 
same OP as the one above but not really sure if that's spam more NAA
hmm that seems harsh, flagging NAA
 
That one is just NAA, already flagged.
 
@SmokeDetector n - let me send some conflicting stuff :D
 
NAA isn't conflicting
 
@Cerbrus hmm if someone in charcoal marks it tp it is... and since reported it should be spam or abusive
 
10:55 AM
@FOX9000 Question closed, delete-voted
 
11:17 AM
@YvetteColomb why rec? I went too broad
 
user3956566
meh, wanted an example
 
11:33 AM
I have never stuffed my pipe with pdfs or JasperReports. I'm not even sure how that should work...
 
@Adriaan They thanked themselves?
 
@Tunaki Yes, and the answer was weird
oh, I see Petter already CVed
 
@Adriaan yeah not sure what he is up to... all 3 jasper reports answers have voted to close that... so thanks
 
@PetterFriberg NP, tack själv!
 
it's a strange question, but probably if he was looking for that answers there are 1000 of dupes... pretty basic stuff.
meeh probably VLQ, there is nothing bad in image..
 
11:41 AM
I hate y'all :(
 
user3956566
i beat you! hahaha
 
user3956566
lol
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha lol
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha unclear may have been a better close vote reason
 
11:48 AM
I would say whatever you hit first, going for mcve takes time...
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yep
 
Lately I've been contributing to VHDL questions (as I'm a VHDL engineer for over 12 years now). However it seems there are some people (with very high scores) there who don't appreciate me coming on their turf. I get downvoted to -1 while I give a normal answer. I don't get it
It is kind of frustrating, and demotivates me in contributing...
 
That seems very bad I have never had that problem, try to raise a mod flag, explaining what is going on, we can't do much from here since we are just mortal users.
 
user3956566
@J.H.Bonarius if you suspect there is serial downvoting, raise a mod flag and say so, they can investigate the voting patterns
 
thanks, how do I do that?
 
user3956566
11:56 AM
It can be hard breaking into this site, but it is worth the effort. Pop in here from time to time to have some good company if you like
 
@J.H.Bonarius flag any post by clicking "flag" beneath it, then use the custom box and explain what you think happens
 
user3956566
Hit the flag button on a post of a question you have answered and been downvoted on
 
great.
i'll do that. See you guys later
 
user3956566
bye
 
11:58 AM
one last thing: couldn't it be that these >12k reputation guys are the moderators for these flags?
 
you will see a diamond next to name, that's a moderator
anyway our moderators whould never do stuff like that and I think all of them are beyond 20K
@J.H.Bonarius for example this is a moderator stackoverflow.com/users/4099593/bhargav-rao, see the diamond, so you can check
never link to users in chat, ops just broke that rule.. I bet BR will suspend me
Thanks..
 
@PetterFriberg Hmm?
 
Down voting to harsh!
 
12:06 PM
@PetterFriberg Cheers
 
@YvetteColomb lol
one box and link to user profile... :D
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I just needed to one box while rene is not here and of a user profile lolol
 
@YvetteColomb I see you like living dangerously.
 
user3956566
you can tell by his avatar he's just wrong :D NOT
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha yes I do and I watch Austin Power movies too!
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah lets ask in next room meeting if we can do that : ), or this stackoverflow.com/users/current , link to who ever is clicking...
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg but we have links on our chat avatar thingys
 
Yeah basically we need to come up with an idea to subvert the ruelzzz
 
user3956566
create a bot that automatically posts user links :p
 
@J.H.Bonarius I just checked the example you posted. IMO it is justified, as the original indeed was missleading. Whether an answer is edited or not is up to the user, so use DVs to encourage posters to correct their posting - there are many users who don't react to comments alone. As it seems, he commented and removed the DV lateron, so all is fine. Even high(er)-rep users get DVs, most not even comments for and a lot truely unjustified. I'm afraid we have to live with them :-(
 
12:19 PM
maybe a google search, that has as first result a user profile
 
@QPaysTaxes Not worth the effort, there seem to be bots already on the trail. (At least I can't explain some DVs I get otherwise).
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg nice :)
 
@QPaysTaxes You should keep track of your wildlife. Someone could turn them against you ;-)
 
12:33 PM
Morning
 
@QPaysTaxes They try to sell you bonds, stocks or whatever stuff. financial security is a fiction if you have to work for a living.
 
'fternoon
 
o/
@QPaysTaxes: Re. your stringbuilder code: Why not use a FAM? That would keep all stuff together and save you a malloc.
@QPaysTaxes That's the same, just in banker-speech.
Hmm, so WP does not know everything ...
Flexible Array Member. Just have a char mem[]; as last member of a struct`.
Avoids an indirection. Hmm, might be problematic for you on 2nd sight: the address of the string object can change for realloc, the application has to be aware of that ...
That's not a VLA!
...? - ?
 
user3956566
I always feel slightly wobbly when given access to someone's website and db. It's such a responsibility and sign of trust, it's a little overwhelming. Does anyone else feel like that?
 
@QPaysTaxes Yes, but which post don't you understand?
 
12:42 PM
@Lankymart What's the typo/why no-repro? I don't see anything in the comments. Are the arguments to Replace() passed in the wrong order?
 
@YvetteColomb No, I crash everything, so no one gives me the access
 
user3956566
@Olaf lol
 
@QPaysTaxes A FAM is an incomplete type, a VLA is a complete type with a well-defined length.
You can index as any array, just malloc with the length you need added to sizeof(struct_whith_fam)
Obviously the struct cannot be a static or atuomatic object.
Notice the drawback I wrote above.
@QPaysTaxes No. the struct is an incomplete type, too. But it just has the sizeof as if the FAM had sizeof == 0. So you add the wanted length of the array for malloc etc.
@QPaysTaxes Actually there is less complexity. For instance: only one allocation, one freeing. Only drawback: the address of the object can change. No idea if that is a problem for your applications.
BTW: for the structure as it is now: what if I want to allocate it statically? Looks like you only have an initialiser for dynamic allocation.
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes lolololol too funny!!
 
Well, no. As I wrote you save one indirection to access the data and all information is in one block. That can be a great pro for the caches and instructions (you asked about performance enhancements).
Problem with such "cover all" types in C: they don't cover all bases; there are always problems they don't address, or - at least - not "elegantly". I have become careful about such libraries and prefer a small toolbox with only the basic stuff. More like a 3D printer than Lego.
 
12:57 PM
o/
 

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