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12:01 AM
Question: is the link in this question spam? Parsing a table using Jsoup
It doesn't look safe to me.
Moderators flagged, but not with a spam flag, but rather with an "other" flag.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Looks like he's trying to scrape the site. So not spam, but probably should be nuked. Maybe close as TB?
 
It could be closed as a duplicate, if I find the proper JSoup dup .....
@Machavity: and thanks for looking at it btw.
Gold-badge closed as dup
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Doesn't look like spam. But definitively "no mcve".
 
Thanks @Olaf.
 
@Machavity Not sure if that is not a debug request.
 
12:09 AM
@Olaf If it is, it's not MCVE
 
12:20 AM
@Machavity Of course it has no mcve.
 
jrh
12:31 AM
Quick question, is an answer NAA if it answers in the wrong language and the code doesn't have any relevance to the question?
 
@jrh Any non-English answer is, by definition, NAA here
 
jrh
@Machavity wrong language as in the answer is 3 lines of random SQL to a C# question
 
Ah. Misunderstood. Still NAA tho
 
jrh
That's what I figured. My flag got declined (it said I should downvote code only answers) -- FWIW, as somebody who works with C# and winforms, this isn't even on the same planet as the question.
 
@jrh I might flag something like that as NAA, but if I did so, I'd be sure to leave a comment explaining that the question was asking for a C# solution, not SQL. However, I wouldn't be surprised for such a flag to be declined or disputed. NAA is often evaluated from the point of view of "does this answer look like it might be an answer". If you're going to use a flag, you might want to consider using a custom flag where you explain the problem.
You should not expect that your flags to be handled by someone with (any) domain knowledge.
 
jrh
12:40 AM
@Makyen Yeah, I almost used a custom flag, I'll do that from now on. I guess I figured the title was enough, "Find node clicked under context menu" and the answer is 3 lines of SQL declaration. Can mods see comments on flagged answers during review?
 
@jrh I've used a custom flag instead of a standard one in multiple cases where the situation is not obvious without explanation/context. Just be sure to explain why you're using a custom flag, as moderators can also be frustrated by people using custom flags (more effort on their part) for cases where a standard flag would do.
As I understand it, mods don't get context information within the flag interface. I don't know about comments. The reason I'd leave a comment is that the flag will first go to the LQP queue, which does see comments, and if the mod does open the question they will be able to see it.
 
jrh
@Makyen Makes sense, I did not know that. Anyway, thanks.
 
@jrh I del voted, since it makes no sense
 
jrh
Looks like the user answered the wrong question, cat on keyboard that likes to step on Ctrl+V (?), or a bot to me.
 
@jrh np. I'm glad we've been able to help.
 
1:08 AM
@Ken Nice to meet a gold badger :-) Remy bores me a bit ...
 
@user0042 There are several here.
 
@Ken LOL, I avoid to ask Delphi questions ;-)
 
@user0042 Don't know why. There are lots of helpful people here in that tag.
 
@KenWhite Probably because I've sometimes got weird concepts of some language basics (coming from c++), and it's hard to find answers for concepts that simply don't exist in the language. See my poor question about delphi constructors for ex.
 
1:24 AM
@user0042 I see that. It seems that Remy Lebeau made a great effort to provide an explanation in the comments, and you seemed to just want to debate rather than listen. That might be a problem here, but that has nothing to do with the tag. :-)
 
@KenWhite TBH I was a bit miffed about Remy's arguments, since I well know he's got a well established c++ background just like myself.
 
1:54 AM
@KenWhite "Stop voting on this post and flag it as spam. It will get the account deleted faster. Votes delay that process. Flag as spam and move on." How does voting delay the process?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Voting can cause the roomba bot to delete the post before the account gets blocked as a spammer. A number (6?) of spam flags will cause automatic suspension of the account and deletion of the post. This has been discussed at Meta Stack Overflow, but I'll leave it to you to research. :-)
@AlexanderO'Mara Ok, I researched. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/295725/62576
 
@KenWhite Gotcha. Downvoting and VTC don't really delay the process, unless you do that instead of flagging it as spam.
(Roomba won't delete recent posts, and even if it did, the automatic downvote from spam flags would do it)
 
@AlexanderO'Mara It does, unless you immediately flag as spam and then play around with voting/commenting. The very first response should be a spam flag to get it off the site and the account blocked ASAP.
@AlexanderO'Mara: Doesn't the roomba run on a somewhat fixed schedule? I thought it would automatically catch highly-DV'd posts. I might be mistaken, though. It's been a while since I saw that conversation on Meta.
 
@KenWhite I believe it runs on a semi-fixed schedule, but only considers posts that have been inactive for 1 month.
 
The Roomba has both daily and weekly tasks.
 
2:09 AM
@AlexanderO'Mara There's a mention of fewer than 30 days in the link you provided. Also, better link related to spam is meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222/172661 - see By the system
 
Yeah, looks like 9 days is the actual minimum.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara: There's a substantial discussion about spam flags vs. close votes on Meta somewhere; I haven't located it yet. But I clearly recall it saying Spam flag instead of voting to close/downvoting and explaining why. But it seems pretty clear that if it's a spam post, it should be deleted as quickly as possible, and the fastest way to that end is 6 spam flags ASAP rather than 5 close/5 delete by 10K+
 
Agreed. Flagging first is what you should do. Everything else is either superfluous or a waste of vote.
 
2:30 AM
@AlexanderO'Mara Your first comment was correct, though. Downvoting doesn't delay. Close voting does, and my comment wasn't accurate. My statement was wrong because I phrased it wrong. Thanks for bringing it to my attention for future reference. :-)
@AlexanderO'Mara There is a reason to avoid downvoting, though. The number of votes you have per day are limited, and it's useless to waste one DV'ing spam. The flag instead saves that vote for other uses.
 
3:29 AM
@user0042 Which seems to me a reason to listen rather than be miffed. While he and I don't always agree, I respect his knowledge and experience in both of the areas in question.
 
4:38 AM
\o morning
!!/tea
 
@SurajRao brews a cup of green tea for @SurajRao
 
 
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6:00 AM
@EJoshuaS deleted now
 
Yeah, seems reasonable... 20k or mods? I can't see deleted questions.
 
@EJoshuaS 20k users
 
@EJoshuaS three delete votes from regular users; mine was the final one
 
 
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9:09 AM
@tripleee wow.. are you cleaning up linux tag?
 
just keeping it open, really
you could do the same for and a bunch of other tags like , , etc etc
 
9:25 AM
^ three link only answers already :(
 
@rene sorry, I'll try to keep it down -- I have been monitoring the tag for a couple of days and it's just staggering how much junk it receives
and yeah, I try to cast votes on the cv-pls requests I see here when I'm in here
 
I get that, be happy you're not monitoring
 
yeah, been there done that (-:
 
Ron
Or .
 
@Ron Or [insert major tag here]
 
Ron
9:33 AM
@rene Indeed.
Things would be much easier if Academia reverted back to Fortran
And homework assignments were handed over on punched cards.
 
@Ron I'm sure we would get photo's of punched cards in that case ...
 
Ron
Haha. True.
 
9:49 AM
Can some of you help out with the request from Jon on the knife-edge?
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note this:
The query was a bit confusing since apparently we have to change dummy to break the cache. Also, I think mentioning the dummy value in the answer also helps others to avoid accidental duplicate set of questions. Otherwise, please input own user ID as the dummy to prevent duplicate value :) — Andrew T. 5 hours ago
 
10:02 AM
Is this question unclear? stackoverflow.com/q/47452319/6426692
 
@Sami Doesn't look unclear to me.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth He say that he have a ? in the result, but as you can see in my comment there is no ? returned
 
@Sami That's not reproducible, and something else than unclear.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Ah yes, thanks
 
@Sami Note that rextester might not be the best environment to reproduce errors, spinning up my MS SQL testserver to try to reproduce
 
10:13 AM
@ErikvonAsmuth I test it SQL Server 2008 too
there is no ? as he say
 
@Sami Well, I can reproduce the 0x being appended to the hexadecimal result (as it should to indicate it's hexadecimal). I can't reproduce the questionmark, but that's probably just because the OP has an invisible unicode character in his string. Anyway, closing as not reproducible seems OK
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Yeah that what I do already
 
10:37 AM
^ will be duped on MSO when migrated
 
 
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12:09 PM
What is the appropriate way to deal with an OP not willing to create an MCVE but asking to explain why his code is not working? Should I post a solution if I know a solution.?Or should I close vote?
 
@SardarUsama without code your solution will be guesswork/hunch. IMHO vote to close...
 
@SurajRao if a question is clear on what he's trying to do and what output he expects but the code he shows is not an MCVE. I know a working solution. So that won't be a guess. but obviously I cant explain him why his code is not working
 
@SardarUsama All questions do not need MCVE, post an answer if you think it is a good question and it can do without mcve (edit the question also after)
 
@SardarUsama irony :p I dont have question to judge.. Unless you are going to post here.. You will have to take a call.. question is will it help future users in that state
 
Your goal is to create something useful for others, if you manage to do that perfect!, if not just close it.
 
12:19 PM
@SardarUsama A link to the question would be helpful. "Explain this code I found somewhere on the internet garbage dump" could be too broad.
 
The question is this btw
 
@SardarUsama you can reconstruct it to be something like "How to set Setting Tick Values for a New Axis?" then answer just watch out for dupes stackoverflow.com/questions/13568190/… or similar
or just wait and hope he will add the info you are missing... leave a comment and hope for the best
 
Thanks to all
 
@SardarUsama I often re-construct title of question, when I see that OP have crap code (code is ok show research, but when they are off in wrong direction), I change the title and then I answer how you should do it... not really debugging there x-y problem
 
@PetterFriberg OP made very clear he is not willing to play by the rules adding information. The only answer starts with "You questions isn't clear", too. I don't think there will be some help from his side.
 
12:26 PM
^^ or recommendation
 
@Olaf baah I don't give crap about OP... if we have a good answer how to create these ticks that can be useful for others... change the title, ignore crap code and post an answer
I'm not here to help people, I'm here to create useful Q/A
 
@PetterFriberg You still have to answer the question, i.e. deal with the crap code. Might be easier dto post a new, self-answered question in that case and close the bad one as dupe thereof. (assuming there is no dupe already, of course)
 
@Olaf naa, I normally don't if code is crap, wrong path I only deal with title... someone has same problem and also same crap code... they will find what I think is a better solution to achieve the objective (title)
true I hate debugging question... since I don't think they are useful and like solution questions...
OP will not care in this case he is not really interested why exactly his mess is wrong... future users don't care, people like to find useful solution to the problem
but again that's just my idea of SO
@Olaf Posting own Q/A is complex and often non natural way, much eaiser to just tweak questions some..
 
@PetterFriberg We are not that far away from each other, I think. I'm just more strict in that I want the asker to put some effort into the question. After all he wants to profit from an answer handling his specific problem. Otherwise we could just write Q&A on our own with artificial problems. Aka "tutorials".
 
in this example the title is "Setting Tick Values for a New Axis" and what he really want's is "In the end I wanted to have 3 tick values along the secondary x - axis at the points 0, 1.5, 7.5 21 with the others removed." so if I knew an good answer to that I would just change the title to "How to set tick values for a new axis?", then ignore his code (if a mess) and post an answer on how to achieve it.

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Yeah I don't really care about OP and probably I'm very tollerante to broad questions, hence to me ""How to set tick values for a new axis?" with no code attempt is an ok question, if I can answer it with one code of page and is not a dupe
often I would have liked to remove all darn code that OP posted, like in this example I would like to just delete all "What I have tried" from question :D but I understand that on SO we like that :D
 
12:46 PM
@PetterFriberg That's the fundamental paradoxon on SO: we want to be a repo of generally useful questions/answers (i.e. solutions), but we use particular, specific questions for that. Nevermind, we won't solve that. Breakfast time!
 
Hi guys

I am voting for deleting this question because it doesn't add any benefit to the community : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47442507/how-to-get-javascript-functions-native-code
 
@Oghli hey.. please read socvr.org/faq particularly rule 15. You cannot ask us to take action on your own post
 
1:02 PM
I understand the rule but I only suggest to delete it after I found there are another questions for the same problem which I asked about.
 
@Oghli Questions marked as duplicate serve as signposts to help others find their answers (without adding yet-more-duplicates!), so they tend to be left closed as duplicates. You could flag a moderator and ask, but we'll not act on this one.
 
slightly crazy that a 500k+ user would get six upvotes on a simple answer on an obvious duplicate, but the world is slightly crazy (and I have a hunch how that 500k+ reputation was amassed)
 
@Mogsdad I doubt that moderators will delete it, its upto community. 90% chance a flag like that will be declined
 
Agree. Just saying.
 
if you want the post to not be associated with your account, you can make a dissociation request
(scrambling to dig out the link)
 
1:14 PM
OR, you can take the lumps, learn, and move on.
 
@tripleee check the deleted answer on that meta, SE lijes to avoid these request.. and now have a new long answer :)
 
Not a big matter for me I flaged the question for moderator to delete it and if the flag declined I will request to dissociate the question from my account

Thanks for info.
 
@Oghli in case you missed the links/on going conversation and I don't want to get into trouble for not informing you correctly: Please read and make sure you understand what is said about dissociation requests.
 
1:33 PM
@PetterFriberg oh sry, I had missed this guidance
 
PSA: Please note that dissociation requests are not for free. Be reluctant to advice this and if you do back your suggestion with this link
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1:49 PM
@tripleee no worries, I guess they got tired of al peps wanting to hide their name after they have asked questions about homework. From what I have learn Shog does not like us to leave links (in comments etc) to meta not even the new SE post (which can encourage this behavior). We have remove our standard comment for vandalize post and currently we don't comment, just roll back and if war begins, step back and wait for mod.
 
2:11 PM
@SurajRao question for you stackoverflow.com/q/41254381/5292302, lots of peps looking for answer (see all the deleted answers), ping since I know you are a ionic fan but naturally use your own judgement if it is worth it.
 
@PetterFriberg: I just "protected" that same question. Do you know -- is there a "down" side to protecting a question? I try to do this whenever I see this type of question with a question/answer asked on it.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The down side is that new users can't answer if they like to, I'm still plep so I can't protect but if I could I would guess I would protect questions that attracts spam or high voted questions that attract crap answers (no need for more answer there are already 20), however I'm not sure I would protected a question that has no answer, baah I will see if I can find some meta. That specific question according to me either needs an answer or to be closed if it is not answerable.
 
I know nothing about Ionic, but if one were to believe the OP's comment to that question, it appears that the answer is trivial.
 
THe problem is that OP found a solution, but people can understand what it is from the comments, lets see what SurajRao says
@HovercraftFullOfEels this is the official meta meta.stackexchange.com/a/52765/320339. I guess as usual use your experience and best judgement
The specific question seem to get auto protect when the last NAA is deleted, if you did not protect it. Hence your action certainly was not wrong.
 
2:35 PM
@PetterFriberg: thanks!
 
2:56 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar: some of those closed questions will get automatically deleted by Roomba. You probably want to avoid asking for deletions on such questions.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Will they? Two are accepted and I thought that dupes are not deleted?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar: questions without accepted or up-voted answers will be cleared by roomba. At least two of your posted questions above fulfill that criteria.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thanks for the tip... I thought they are not eligible for roomba
 
@DalijaPrasnikar consider using the Roomba Forecaster userscript.
 
@rene: thanks for the information about the discussion on dup-closer in the main meta site
I agreed completely with the answer to the question
 
3:07 PM
\o/ I did something useful ...
 
LOL
It happens from time to time, ...
or so I've heard
 
It is so rare, I can afford to have a party when it happens ...
 
3:41 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to the US people! For the rest of you, get back to work :P
 
4:36 PM
@SardarUsama I'm pretty confidnt this is about programming. But the question is too broad. OP seems to be looking for a tutor.
 
@Olaf 'looking for a tutor' is not a programming problem
 
@SardarUsama If he has a problem with programming (which seem to be the problem), it very well is. Notice not every programming question is on-topic, though. (And I did not say he is asking for a tutor. The question could be very well a debug request)
 
5:36 PM
unclear will work as well ^
 
5:48 PM
@rene I have a strong deja-vue about that one. IIRC, it was asked yesterday or the day before and I think by the same user even.
 
6:10 PM
@Olaf maybe users from the same course?
 
6:22 PM
@rene They use the same account? Problem is, I'm not 100% sure, but I normally can trust my guts (unless I had a cilli or something with beans;-)
 
Hi everyone o/
 
@Olaf don't trust my guts at the moment ...
 
@rene Bad to hear. Seriously: some cola might help.
@user0042 \o/
 
I have a still pending burnination-request. I'm not sure what should be taken as the next step. The request was well achieved by the community it seems, and there must have been even some more tag removals (116 left ATM).
 
@user0042 Looks like Cody switched to a lower pace. And he was really pushing those requests forward.
Not sure if the other mods are in to what he did
maybe one of our resident mods want to comment on that when they show up.
 
6:30 PM
@rene He lost front page access for a while. He said he'd only run them when there was room to feature
 
@rene That was my hope ;-) ... @Jon maybe
 
@Machavity yeah, he tried to fit them in nicely, true that.
 
For like a week there were 2 SE blogs and 2 CM featured
 
@user0042 don't tell me you just pinged a mod ...
 
@rene No? Shouldn't I? I feel innocent about that. I know it's not liked to ping mods here about certain SO questions or such. But I'm just asking a harmless question about which is the next step to take to bump the burination process.
 
Ron
6:58 PM
o/
 
\o
@Steve I think they are trolling
 
mornings, fellow S(O)JWs
 
Hello @Nkosi or they are just incredibly lazy.
 
should we close these highly upvoted yet somewhat broad questions? stackoverflow.com/questions/129677/…
I'm not quite sure what consensus (if any) is on that
to be honest, I am quite baffled by the upvotes.
 
Ron
@Nkosi I think the OP is not trolling. It's just a poor question. The OP is new to the site.
 
7:04 PM
Ok monitoring the question. Yeah they seem to be making fixes
 
7:19 PM
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier o/
 
7:30 PM
@YvetteColomb \o how goes it.
 
user3956566
@Nkosi good thanks, how are you?
 
@SardarUsama mod flag that plag stuff... for incorrect attribution
 
SSDD I guess
 
user3956566
@Makyen I have two old room nomination gists, do you reckon it's ok to delete them now?
 
user3956566
@Nkosi ssdd?
 
7:31 PM
Same S#!+ Different Day :)
 
user3956566
ah :)
 
Hiya Yvette, why do you care :D, is it not fun to keep for future to see how young we were?
 
@YvetteColomb it is up to you, but I do think I like to keep a record of who ran for RO. So I would edit out the link to your gist if you removed it but keep your name in the nomination list. Is that OK with you?
 
7:38 PM
@YvetteColomb They're still linked from the Nominations page. Personally, I'd leave them.
@YvetteColomb However, they are yours, so deleting them is up to you. I tend to be a bit of a pack-rat, so I generally have an aversion to deleting things :-). I can say that I found them to be helpful examples when I was at a loss as to what to write in my own nomination.
 
@PetterFriberg just got your message and it's already fixed as you already know :)
 
@SardarUsama I saw OP added reference, so I added quote... but yeah that user is not simple best to stay clear ;)
 
@PetterFriberg not the first time we have seen him doing stuff like that. I have heard some of our friends became a victim of his serial downvoting. Thanks for the advice though :)
 
7:53 PM
their pedantic comment tho ^^
 
@SardarUsama I don't like when people plag like that, true I can fix it with quote and reference but if high rep user normally I only mod flag.
This is the related help page on SO for future reference stackoverflow.com/help/referencing
 
@PetterFriberg Thanks
 
8:23 PM
Several questions in the queue. I think there are still some books, too.
*questions
Ah, the danger of typing and talking at the same time
 
user3956566
8:37 PM
@rene I don't mind, if you want me to keep them there, I can. It's what you want for the room really and how long you want to keep the history. I'm a cleaner upperer, that's all. If I ever do delete them, I'll remove the link.
 
user3956566
@Makyen I'm an OCD deleter. I clear out old files, bookmarks, etc sometimes to my own detriment when years later I think, I'd like to look at this code I wrote O>O
 
@YvetteColomb Ok, just let me know when you want me to update/remove the links.
 
user3956566
@rene I'll ask you in another couple of years :)
 
6 to 8?
 
user3956566
weeks in SE time, yes that == 2-3 years ;)
 
user3956566
8:40 PM
they're not doing any harm, it's just I only use the gist for my auto comments and the RO nom comes up first LOL
 
user3956566
so lazy
 
user3956566
@rene I'm not going to be chatting much for a while. I'm time poor with studying. But I'll still be about reviewing etc and pingable.
 
@YvetteColomb Okay, how much time do you have left for the study to be complete?
 
user3956566
@rene I'm studying an overload 1.5 times full-time until June next year, then I start the doctorate and go part time. So that's 3 subjects this session (Nov - Jan/Feb) and 3 subjects next session (Feb - Jun). So I'll end up having two grad certs, a grad dip and a masters after June. I need to pull the finger out, and get it done. So it was a financial consideration to do this. I'll get work at the uni when I graduate from the masters. A teaching job, so it will be worth the effort.
 
user3956566
I'll be researching security and mobiles
 
user3956566
8:49 PM
It's all been very interesting
 
That sounds awesome ... and very busy .. ;)
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
The security subjects are really good
 
user3956566
this thinkspace.csu.edu.au/68803818a kicks off my research, although it's specific, my research will be in that vein
 
user3956566
anyway, I have to get back to it :D
 
user3956566
8:51 PM
also thanks for showing an interest :)
 
get on it then, cya \o
 
 
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9:56 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Will that question really help someone else?
 
@ThomasWeller maybe not
and it probably is a non-allowed request
 
10:42 PM
@YvetteColomb Yeah, I tend to just copy things to larger and larger drives as I upgrade, then make backups and store those :-). I've just encountered too many times of wanting to look at old stuff for one reason or another & digital data is vastly easier to store/find than paper. Part of it is that it's easier to just copy all of it off than take the time to go back through and curate down to just the things I think I might need in the future (and then be wrong :-) ).
@YvetteColomb Wow! The education stuff sounds great! I hope it all goes well, and expect you'll do awesome. Taking courses for that much credit at a time (1.5x full time) is a huge commitment, but it sounds like the results will be very beneficial.
 
user3956566
@Makyen thanks :) I've studied at this load before, so I know I can manage it. It's a matter of staying on top of it and starting everything as early as possible. I'll be lurking and answering pings, but need to keep the temptation of chat - it wastes so much time O>O
 
@YvetteColomb Good (I'm glad you're already aware of the level of effort required). Yeah, good time management starts to become critical, particularly with the other very important real-life commitments you have. Chat certainly can take up quite a bit of time, even just keeping up reading the comments without interacting. Given everything you're doing, reducing unnecessary activities sounds like a good idea.
 
11:34 PM
afk
 
11:48 PM
@Makyen You are aware digital data ages away, aren't you? This becomes much more of a problem with Flash based storage if not powered (they might perform periodic scrubbing when powered, but without power, the cells leak.)
 

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