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12:09 AM
^ meh, I'll leave it to a JS guy
 
12:19 AM
ok, this guy's spamming
 
12:38 AM
@BaummitAugen I am regretting taking your advice
 
@MikelF The Meta post?
I even upvoted it!
 
I appreciate that...
 
Any particular reason for the regret?
 
I am having to come to terms with the fact that either I don't write as clearly as I think, or people are just not going to read what I've written, or some balance of both... Without know how much of each
I walked blithely into a battle that had been going for a while
 
Ah well. I took the coward's path and just walked away, so you did better I would say.
 
12:45 AM
discretion is not cowardice
 
And people not reading questions as careful as they should is not exactly new on SO. :)
 
I was also sensitive to the fact that my post had to look entirely self serving...
 
I guess in the end it does not matter too much, there are bigger problems on SO.
 
I would hope that the quality of the product was up there in importance.
 
But as I said, I agree with the basic idea, more than half of my declined post flags come from stuff I flagged because i thought is was a request for clarification.
@MikelF Hopefully, up- and downvotes do handle that most of the time.
 
12:50 AM
@BaummitAugen It's just that when they don't, there is no other line of defense...
 
I have to go; see you later!
 
Well, I can say this much... I don't like reviewing edits
adios nada
 
Preaching it to the choir, if I was some SO dictator, "did you try foo?" would be VLQ.
Edit queue sucks.
 
1:05 AM
@BaummitAugen A dictator does not preach, but lets heads roll (less rock).
 
@Olaf Still gotta preach to the masses though. You cannot behead a significant part of the people.
 
@BaummitAugen There is historic precedence, I'm afraid ... :-(
 
@Olaf Okay, really do not want to be marked a Nazi here, just making a point: In 1933, only 0.8% of the German population was Jewish. (Source)
That's apparently insignificant enough to become a dictator on the back of that minority.
 
1:22 AM
@BaummitAugen Sorry, I no way intended to! And there are other cases, too. Just note that it was not only the Jewish who were killed. Add the disabled, homosexual, kommunists, socialists, etc. Then the soldiers during war, etc.
@QPaysTaxes That completely depends on the application, frequency of changes and your line-speed, I assume.
 
And they didn't confine themselves to the German population
Besides, it's not about killing a lot... it's about killing enough... The Taliban had qite the run, as has the government of North Korea...
 
@MikelF I'd be careful with such statements. The Jews were quite well integrated in Germany and still are. Anyway, this is not something we should discuss here.
 
What on earth are you guys talking about?
 
@4castle Javascript
 
@QPaysTaxes Speed of your internet connection. If you have frequent changes and only rarely poll, you might have a problem getting all updates in-time.
 
1:25 AM
@Olaf Was about to type a reply, but yeah. Let's stop.
This has been discussed enough.
 
Ah JavaScript. That explains it
 
@Olaf Yeah, my statement is terribly open to interpretation... the word 'enough' was a poor choice
 
@QPaysTaxes I did not say real-time (that's one of the most often missunderstood concepts; they even make commercials for shampoo(!) with that phrase shakehead)
@QPaysTaxes That's what I meant: this is not the definition of real-time.
 
I usually hear realtime as "guaranteed to finish in less than X time".
 
deterministic
 
1:31 AM
After all, it also depends on how the API sends changes. If it sends all incremental changes since the last sync (e.g. using an internal journal), there might be a lot of redundancy. Or it just sends the difference.
 
Like the sensor's feedback of your drone should be processed at least every 10 ms during landing.
 
@BaummitAugen That's the idea.
@QPaysTaxes That's indeed quite a floppy d3escription. "Within a guarnteed time-limit" is more appropriate, ther most times is not user involved. Back to your question: you can use an adaptive algorithm: connecte at a lower rate and increase if required, e.g. if you notice an update takes longer than until the next timeslot.
@QPaysTaxes I assume pushing is not an option?
@QPaysTaxes That does not exclude a push service. You just have to notify the other side when you reconnect. Similar to DynDNS
Basically a mixture of push and poll: push until you loose connection, then poll.
 
Real-time means that when events are triggered, the amount of time it takes to handle them is deterministic.
 
@MikelF Not really. THe "amount of time" is not a factor. The time an event is handled matters (yes, that's a difference - think about it:-)
@QPaysTaxes I finished that post right after you sent your's
@QPaysTaxes You can hear Lana del Rey while you type ... :-) youtube.com/watch?v=cE6wxDqdOV0
@QPaysTaxes No, but please take into account I'm not a native speaker and have to concentrate more on a post than you have to (we have have this chat in German, if you want to get an idea:-)
@QPaysTaxes "Ich spreche kein Deutsch" (record a German saying that with your phone and play the audio in case of emergency :-)
 
1:52 AM
I think the guy who unhammered it has something personal against me.
 
"I don't speak German" will most likely also do, basically everyone learns English in School here.
(More or less successful, as my posts on SO proof, sadly. XD
But I'll understand you.)
 
@BaummitAugen I would not bet on that. In my area there are a lot of people from other countries and I notice the problem the cassiers in the supermarket or other shops have understanding even the most basic sentences in clear English.
Anyway, I'll continue hacking the Bay Area ... :-)
 
"cassiers in the supermarket or other shops" Hehe, just look at what the machine tells you you gotta pay, throw enough money on the counter, collect the change and walk away. Close enough.
@Olaf Have fun, dear. :)
 
@BaummitAugen It's not only the cassiers, but other employees, too. For example the local bakery, as our variety of different types of bread needs an explanation for wheat-toast-only consumers ... :-)
 
@Olaf Wheat toast consumers can point at any item and get smth. better than wheat toast. =D
 
2:07 AM
Are cassiers the same as cashiers?
 
Many years ago, my sister and I went to a local Asian supermarket looking for frosting for a cake. Not a single employee knew what we were talking about, but they did carry it, and after an exhaustive search we eventually we ran into it.
 
@BaummitAugen Yes, but they want their white tasteless toast. Problem is our local bakeries often don't even have normal white bread anymore, so they are in big trouble as they have no sponge-bread.
 
@4castle That's what we meant. :)
 
@TigerhawkT3 Wasn't that quite icky to run into cake-frosting? How did you get cleaned?
 
@Olaf If that's the worst you'll deal with when visiting Germany, you can call close enough. =D
 
2:10 AM
@Olaf Easy; we kept walking around until we ran into a mop.
 
@BaummitAugen Theory and practice: of course all people under - say - 50 are supposed to talk and understand at least some basic English. But reality is different. After all, they had to think and I more and more get the impression thinking hurts most people, so they avoid it. Maybe something genetically?
@TigerhawkT3 Mop or mob?
@4castle Yes, but they are better paid due to the two $$ :-P
 
@Olaf Through the latter, then into the former.
 
@Olaf I went to Japan without speaking Japanese, many people did not speak English. I still got by on good will on both sides, even in the smaller cities.
Same would most likely apply here.
 
@TigerhawkT3 If you don't mind me asking: are you German? (otherwise you might not understand why I asked :-)
@BaummitAugen Yes, but the Japan are offensively friendly, even if they think you are an a**ole and you can ignore what they think about you. Here in Germany, we are more - well - direct.
 
@Olaf Oh, I know Bart already, thanks
 
2:17 AM
@Braiam I'm confused now. Bart Simpson? How is he related to that?
 
not that Bart, the other Bart
 
@Braiam You mean german "Bart" (beard)? I'm still confused, maybe the late time or WD2 waiting for me
(heck, my edit made it worse ...)
 
Olaf meet Bart
 
@Braiam Well, he is from Switzerland, so chances are good he is Swiss, not German.
 
@Olaf More direct than the Japanese for sure, but as long as you at least try not be outrageously offensive or rude, people will try to help the poor foreigner.
But maybe I live in a academic bubble here, not sure.
 
2:27 AM
@Olaf he lives is Switzerland, that's the only thing you think you know ;)
 
@BaummitAugen You optimist, you! ;-) Sorry, my mileage vaires quite a lot.
@Braiam I thought "chances are good" would be vaguely enough :-)
 
@Olaf It is quite possible that I live in some bubble, as I said.
 
> We're honest, not rude. Germans are straightforward, truthful, and don't beat around the bush — but it's never done with malicious intent. We simply don't like small talk of any sort. Consider it another type of efficiency — one stereotype that's actually true. — businessinsider.com/…
some people confuse honesty with rudeness shrugs
 
@BaummitAugen Well, I wish I could. Reality isn't that nice anymore (and becomes more and more frightening - and I don't mean so-called "criminals")
 
@Olaf True. But I guess we are drifting off-topic again.
 
2:34 AM
@Braiam Meh! That#s nonsense. We like a good chit-chat as everyone else does - which means there are some who like it and others who don't. And for honesty - it depends. In the north: yes, in the south: it depends. Worst is the Munich area which has a lot of false friendlyness, too.
@BaummitAugen Well, as I can't drift in SF, I have to drift here :-D
 
@Olaf SF?
Süd Franken? 0.o
 
@Braiam The older I get, the less interest I have in false friendlyness. I am direct, sometimes even blunt - yes - but I prefer the same.
@BaummitAugen San Francisco. More exact: Bay area.
 
Oh, ok.
 
@BaummitAugen: Feel free to ask if that's not enough hints
 
@Braiam In the major cities, there is also a lot of "authentic" places where the very direct tone is part of the "flair".
@Olaf I did not read that as you being physically there, more like doing some work for some company near the bay.
 
2:40 AM
@BaummitAugen Company? Not really. DedSec.
grins
 
But Swiss clocks are good
 
Welp, looks like I misunderstood everything there is to misunderstand. =D
Have fun! @Olaf
 
@Braiam The best and most exact clocks are actually in Germany.
 
@Olaf I have German heritage, but my grandfather's family emigrated from Germany in the 30s.
 
@BaummitAugen Nun klar was ich meine?
 
2:42 AM
@Olaf mechanical clocks?
 
@TigerhawkT3 Well, if we dig deep enough, we all likely have African heritage.
 
@Olaf Just googled DedSec, so I hope so. XD
I'm slow today.
 
@Braiam No. The official world time is based on multiple atomic clocks, spread around the world. And the German PTB clocks have a major percentage, because they are the most accurate and reliable.
 
@Olaf I still have a German last name, though. Not a very deep dig. :P
 
@BaummitAugen You're not real-time :-)
 
2:49 AM
@Olaf Not today, no.
 
@QPaysTaxes The PTB is not a company, but they are for our official metrological (you might call it "inchological";-) institute.
@BaummitAugen I'm afraid I' slowing down, too.
 
3:32 AM
@AndrewLi high five
 
I think there should be a feature for the userscript so it detects if the link has already posted or not
Does the chat API allow that?
 
4:12 AM
Off for the night. Cya.
 
user3956566
4:35 AM
I'm calling this spam, as although there's offer for a reward, it will involve soliciting contact details from people and who knows what else — Yvette Colomb 41 secs ago
 
NAA IMO.
 
user3956566
@Tushar day old account, offereing exchange of money and email address, not so good
 
Del-voted. One more needed.
 
@Tushar Deleted.
 
5:26 AM
why does the edit review queue make me feel tense?
 
6:19 AM
@AndrewLi Which userscript are you talking about?
 
If the Answerer ask for votes from the OP should I use 'Not constructive' flag?
 
That's what I'd do, depending on the tone of the comment
 
> <OP name> vote up as well
Thats the comment!
 
Well it's not very constructive but it's not rude either
so not constructive would fit in my opinion
 
ok thanks
 
6:47 AM
Oh. Never mind, it's spam. That isn't in English.
 
6:57 AM
how old are you? — devin 49 secs ago
Best question of the day.
 
what a pile of flag opportunities
 
Looks like mods are on it
 
user3956566
yeh and he keeps adding them, any abusive flags are welcomed
 
looks mostly clean right now
 
user3956566
that's because they are continually being deleted, I wish a mod would give him a time out
 
7:04 AM
they are on it
wow
 
user3956566
@MikelF wow?
 
I am not used to seeing my flags get acted on so quickly
although I am sure mine were not alone
 
user3956566
ah yes. Is there a mod around, this guy won't give up.
 
user3956566
I've asked the mods for a timeout on this account, as it's clear the user can't stop posting abuse. — Yvette Colomb 16 secs ago
 
user3956566
Now in the time it takes them to delete that, hopefully they're put a temp suspension on the account
 
7:11 AM
looks like it happened
 
user3956566
nope that's just the rep drop from downvotes
 
ouch
 
user3956566
@MikelF i posted this about it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342356/…
 
8:00 AM
Good morgen \o
 
Morning
 
user3956566
hi
 
Siya Syvette \o
BMW runs PHP
 
8:34 AM
Hiya
 
Morning everyone
 
Requires just 1 more delete vote.
 
Closing hot Java question as dupe, for ever.....
 
9:21 AM
@Cerbrus: 2 consecutive rollbacks within X minutes - not sure what exactly X is. If I'm not wrong, only one such flag will be raised per post, even if another edit war arises after the first has settled. — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
Criteria for the auto rollback war flag ^ Good to know :D
 
@Cerbrus Niiiiice
We wanted that info for a while
Plop!
 
Hrm, starred oneboxed messages only show the link :/
> Criteria for the auto rollback war flag: "2 consecutive rollbacks within X minutes - not sure what exactly X is. If I'm not wrong, only one such flag will be raised per post, even if another edit war arises after the first has settled." (source)
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@Kyll ^ that may be better.
 
@Cerbrus Danke
 
^also looks like they are trying to backdoor someone's system ... maybe their own but I'm not going to support that
 
@tripleee Also a perfect fit for No MCVE
 
9:35 AM
Yea, that's what I voted
 
@JarrodRoberson Are you sure? I don't see the same error in the question. Waiting for OP to confirm
@Tunaki Hammer the hype down!
 
9:51 AM
that's a new one for me
 
@Kyll Yeah it is. They have their Eclipse set-up borked, probably because they don't know what they're doing..... Removing the .project and .classpath and starting over is the best thing to do
 
sd edited
 
Raising mod flag though
All of this user's posts contain a link to his site
 
I removed the other 2
 
@Tunaki Mrnf
Cleaning feedback then
 
user3956566
10:04 AM
does anyone else find this rude meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342356/…?
 
@YvetteColomb Meh. Your comment is aggressive though, better delete it now.
Granted, the one you answered to is not especially constructive, but I place it in the "Meh" slice of the spectrum
Is this really off-topic (request)‌​? As a Minecraft player it's pretty clear what OP is asking, the question is focused and answerable in a couple lines. cc @AndrewLi
 
@YvetteColomb No point in getting fed up about that. Neither his nor your comments are constructive.
 
^
What the thing with huge teeth said. Plop Seth!
Any comment on my above question?
 
Question seems clear to me
 
user3956566
@Kyll yeh I did
 
10:10 AM
@YvetteColomb Thanks. How ya feeling?
 
user3956566
I find his comment rude, he's telling me to find something useful to do with my life
 
Properly tagged, as well.
 
Morning everyone =)
 
@YvetteColomb And you're taking that personally?
 
Ohh, do we haz heated atmosphere again? ...
 
10:11 AM
@Kyll: tempted to close, then reopen-vote the MC question.
it's gonna get closed any way
 
user3956566
@Seth yep I'm getting the pips, that's meta for you
 
@Cerbrus Yeah, I hear you on that. However it would feel like gaming the system, wouldn't it?
 
@Kyll True, but it's not like that is uncommon... Meh...
I'll just keep an eye on it
 
@AndrewLi Ah, about that MC question: It was very nicely edited. Check the revision history, it's now very clear.
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah, meta... =)
 
10:16 AM
And now those comments are mostly removed.
Helpful flags += 3 :D
 
@Cerbrus Meta helpful flags. Much rarer.
 
Aye :D
 
i find helpful flags so random, just had a NAA flag declined - "a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it" boilerplate response, but the answer was removed anyway...thx v much!
 
Then it was probably VLQ
 
@Lankymart NAA flags are for extremely specific cases. Maybe the diamond moderator saw your flag, thought it wasn't NAA and declined it, but the answer for so awfully low-quality he deleted it anyway
 
10:24 AM
@Lankymart Nothing in the answer actually adresses the question => NAA. Only a link => VLQ.
It has to actually be nothing though.
If there's an attempt to answer the question, it's already enough to invalidate NAA as flag reason.
I personally really dislike having to differ between NAA/VLQ everytime.
Just wastes a lot of time.
 
Just posted a JS answer which got accepted... Some guy comments "this works if<...> if questions would be same for each player, checkout my answer below."
 
@Cerbrus but the flag wasn't helpful?, I avoid VLQ because a lot of the time they are declined.
 
@Lankymart Depends on the mod that reviewed it
 
@Seth that I agree with, it's really fustrating
@Cerbrus that does seem to be it sometimes I flag similar answers and it will be helpful other times it's declined.
 
That's because some moderators actually check if your flag reason is valid.
Others are okay with either NAA or VLQ, as long as it's actually an answer that deserves deletion.
 
10:29 AM
@Seth sometimes a bit of common sense wouldn't go a miss, ok it's technically NAA but the answer is VLQ, I'll say it was helpful.
 
And that's precisely why the flag system is flawed.
Everyone applies slightly different standards.
Flag reasons are not fleshed out enough in order to be able to prevent misunderstandings.
In general, three flag reasons would probably be enough. 1.) Nuke needed (Spam, rude/abusive), 2.) Garbage (VLQ/NAA), 3.) Garbage-with-potential.
But I don't see us getting something similar.
 
Hiya
 
Hey @Bhargav =)
 
Hi @Seth
 
really despise "convert this code for me" questions
 
10:39 AM
Welcome home, rene
 
@Kyll I left my upvote on that one a long time ago.. Active 10 months ago. :(
 
Does anyone understand what the footnote for Edge and IE means here as I tested an data uri in an img tag in an html file and It Works™
 
@rene May originate from caniuse.com/#feat=datauri
 
@rene Ur a wizard =)
 
No source though.
@rene If It Works™, might want to provide a test page (on Gist or whatever), edit the MDN and contact caniuse
 
10:45 AM
@Seth same.
 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding that guidance and does it try to convey that you can't use data:text/html or so?
 
@rene Maybe it's for data URIs of more than 4GB? They would be supported in CSS and JS, but not HTML?
 
@YvetteColomb first warning. Don't think I didn't see that
 
@Kyll MSDN guidance makes more sense: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc848897(v=vs.85).aspx
 
@rene Woah, first time I would ever witness MSDN making more sense on Web technology. Checking.
 
10:49 AM
@Kyll there's a few nuggets in there amongst all the crap, much like SO Docs :)
 
@rene I don't see a correlation between this and the apparent lack of support of Edge pointed on the MDN and CanIUse though
 
@rene that's how I'm reading the footnote too. The sentence structure is... not exactly optimal
 
@BoltClock I have an account there, I could edit it. What would be a more appropriate sentence?
 
Actually tbh the more I look over it the more natural it sounds, to me, anyway :S
lemme think
 
IE9 and later, as well as Edge, supports data URIs in CSS and JS files and only on these html tags: img, object, input type=image and link
 
10:57 AM
I got nothing
 
@rene Oooh
Yeah, editing
Thank you MDN, I get a Permission Denied when trying to preview my edit
 
hey \o
 
Plop Tim
@rene Where did the 4GB limit pop from then?
The only mention of a limit on the MDN is 32k characters (2¹⁵)
 
I there anything that can/should be done about systematically wrong use of a tag? Many android questions are wrongfully tagged and have nothing to do with the IDE. I remove the tag from some every day, but it gets demoralizing
 
@TimCastelijns Tag description edit?
 
11:04 AM
nobody reads that :P
 
> Do NOT use for questions about programming for Android in general; instead use [android].
Should be clear already
 
Blacklist [android-studio], [android] and [java]?
 
@Kyll yeah, I don't know. I recall it was way less before, as in < 2K. 4GB seems insane to me
 
Same here
 
@Kyll don't forget [php]. Or actually, do, but make sure everyone forgets it exists :D
 
11:06 AM
I don't want to spoil your joke ...
 
I appreciate the jokes :) but I'm very serious
 
:35331343 I remember you bashing us for bashing that. Now I am bashing you for bashing us for bashing that.
@TimCastelijns Honestly I don't know.
Wait yes I do
Request a pop-up when someone enters the tag [android-studio] to warn the user not to use this tag for any Android issue
Similar to what is done in other tags
 
@TimCastelijns maybe it should be renamed to IDE-Android -Studio
 
Post a Meta about it, get a hundred upvotes and then [status-meh]
 
what Kyll says makes sense, this time. You better pay attention
 
11:08 AM
Im actually not sure the problem lies only with the tag. A bunch of questions are titled like How can I split a string in android studio
like the person doesn't know that it has nothing to do with it
 
@rene I am not sure whether to be flattered or offended.
 
Please be offended
 
I can do that.
@TimCastelijns Well, that could also be in the pop-up which could link to a Meta explaining it or whatever
 
@TimCastelijns yeah, that is the problem when new users are learned a trick, instead of really grasping where it is all about.
Learning a toolstack should start at the command prompt. Not in an IDE
 
I think it's a bit naive to expect such people to read something on meta, no offense
 
11:11 AM
@TimCastelijns Tru dat
> If your question is only about your code, then use the [android] tag. If it is about the software used to write the code, then tag it [android-studio].
Something like that?
 
Didin't Undo had the same problem with XCode, Swift and Objective-C?
 
I think it's equally naive to expect them to read the tag description :)
 
@rene Mebbe
@TimCastelijns That would be a pop-up
if they try to use the [android-studio] tag, this appears
Similar to when you try to write a [burnination-request] on Meta
 
@TimCastelijns it is like this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/274634/578411
 
11:14 AM
or that ^
 
> If we don't hate ourselves after a few weeks of this, we can give some of Bohemian's ideas a try in other tags...
Wonder how that went
 
that looks promising
you guys reckon it would be ok to request such popups for other tags?
 
Scratch that, I wonder how that went!
@TimCastelijns I think it would be immensely useful yeah, but you need backup data
Maybe request some data / feelings from the moderator team about the [sql] pop-up
 
no problem. Almost all questions are wrongfully tagged
 
If they deemed this experiment a success, then post another Meta offering a process to add such features to other tags
 
11:18 AM
how does a peasant like me get insight in those feelings?
 
Ask Meta. "The [sql] help pop-up experiment started 3 years ago. Was it useful? Did it increase the quality of questions in this tag? Did it improve this specific tag usage?"
 
@TimCastelijns true
 
I will, thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to include that you told me to, so the angry meta mob will bomb your car and not mine
 
i just edited few yesterday
 
@TimCastelijns I don't have a car
crap, I do have a tree
 
11:20 AM
I was about to say tree :)
but trees can't start. How does the bomb trigger
 
lol
 
@TimCastelijns ripcord around its trunk? Might take awhile until it rips ...
 
@rene that is too slow
 
:P good ol' dutch sense of humor
 
@rene @BoltClock Turns out, for some reason, I can't edit this MDN page.
 
11:25 AM
@Kyll I wonder if it's meant to be quality control
 
@Kyll "No spearrels allowed"
 
I take offence to both these statements.
 
@Kyll NOSpearrelAllowedException
@Seth damn ninja'D
 
Seriouslier, I did edit a page a while ago. Sounds like either a change in policy or a bug on their side, since I can still access the Edit page...
 
11:42 AM
@Kyll suggested tags for meta question?
besides tags
I'll go with discussion+tags
 
11:55 AM
@TimCastelijns Yeah
 
Here is it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342374/… if anyone cares to take a look, please review
 

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