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12:21 AM
@TinyGiant And so the JS experiment begins. Does this make sense?
Appears to work at least. :)
 
user4639281
Well now you're forcing HTTPS, if someone tries to use it without HTTPS, it won't work.
 
Only for the API call though.
(If I read that correct.)
 
user4639281
You can't make an https call to the API on http
 
user4639281
it doesn't work.
 
user4639281
 
12:24 AM
Hm, it worked when I tried it (even with http that is). But there is a reason I tell people not to program by trial and error. Should heed my own advice. XD
Thanks for the feedback!
 
user4639281
np
 
12:46 AM
@TinyGiant Tried again. The change in version number was a based on guessing I admit, dunno if that is my job.
 
user4639281
Awesome, you want to submit a pull request?
 
Ooh, my first pull request! (Open source that is.)
Will do. =D
Nice! :)
 
user4639281
:)
 
user6820627
socvr, i read the transcript. fun enough. idk closey exist.
 
user4639281
@LearnHowToBeTransparent you're talking about the room meeting?
 
user6820627
12:52 AM
@TinyGiant yes
 
user4639281
Ah, yeah closey has been down for a while. It was very useful while it was running.
 
Oops, I just Mjolnired a questionably tagged question.
Eh, very sure it's fine.
 
@FOX9000 Rejected due to unnecessary bullets and improper use of code formatting
 
 
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2:16 AM
most likely dupe given 1.2M questions, found it because mild heat. stackoverflow.com/questions/41732488/… Any Java guy here can review and make a request if needed?
 
3:09 AM
Off to bed.
Cya! o/
 
4:08 AM
@BaummitAugen "... was executing with Java Compiler instead of C++" :-D
 
 
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5:26 AM
I had flagged it as off-topic before he added code, so I can't reflag it
 
 
2 hours later…
7:34 AM
o/
 
\o
 
7:59 AM
@user2314737 that's not a CV reason
no effort is a down vote reason (it explicitly says so even)
 
8:16 AM
@Adriaan ok good point
 
 
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user6820627
9:34 AM
@xenteros it's a meta dupe. delete
 
@Steve just be aware that no effort at all is not a close vote reason. We are a bit picky on that, so either report here as unclear or too broad please. Thanks.
@LearnHowToBeTransparent let's move to meta and then hand me the dupe
 
@rene OK good for the next one. Then it is surely a too broad question. Unless someone want to teach the whole MVC concept.
 
It's moved
 
@Steve yeah, voted as such. Thanks again.
 
Of course someone upvoted. Sigh!
 
user6820627
9:41 AM
@Steve sock of course
 
user6820627
!!afk
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent You're awfully quick of jumping to conclusions. Lots of bad stuff gets upvoted with no puppets involved
Besides, who uses puppets on meta?
 
10:16 AM
Hiya
 
10:38 AM
Greetings fellow bots
 
11:16 AM
Plop!
 
user3956566
ploppette!
 
11:29 AM
Everything that ends on ette gets a French edge to it ...
 
11:44 AM
translate: Olá, gosto sempre de otimizar meus trabalhos então você pode usar este gerador
(from Portuguese) Hello, I always like to optimize my work so you can use this generator
The question asked for bad stuff, the answer provided that. NAA there is correct because it was not in english.
 
12:29 PM
Morning
@Adriaan Whats unclear about that? There is a red box around what they want to create.
 
@NathanOliver It's not freehand
besides, he didn't ask a question
it's smokey's last report btb, Bhargav didn't like the Q either
 
We can fix it. There isn't much of a question that needs to be asked
 
@NathanOliver we could; but I prefer to tell people to fix it themselves, instead of mopping up after every question they ask
 
Edited
 
If it were edited to ask a question, I'd probably either vote too broad or tool-rec
Now it's no longer unclear, true, but simply too broad
 
...or request for opinion what's the best alternative....
 
1:50 PM
nvm me. got confused
 
np
 
2:24 PM
 
oh look, a spearrel
 
Plop
 
2:36 PM
morning!
 
Hiya gunr
 
thursday, almost done with the week
 
woot.
 
@gunr2171 yay
 
2:53 PM
I thought we were Friday today..... the disappointment
 
me too this morning
went over to my weekly friday standup meeting, no one there, miffed that I showed up on time for nothing, remembered it's only thursday, despair
1h is not much time
I've asked a question before and not had time to get back to it til the next day
 
@TylerH At worst that makes my observation irrelevant seeing as we should be voting to close immediately anyway.
 
@Louis well, voting to close 'dangerous' content anyway
 
JAL
morning
o/
 
3:08 PM
Hiya JAL
 
JAL
hey Nathan
@PetterFriberg Jasper Reports leaking into meta: Please blacklist the [jasperviewer] & [jasperprint] tags
 
@TylerH No, there's no distinction between dangerous and non-dangerous content. Vote to close immediately anyway.
 
@Louis no I'm talking about cv-pls requests here
which should be reserved for stuff that should be closed now rather than later to avoid piling on of bad answers, etc.
 
@TylerH There's no rule about that either.
 
Yes there is
[cv-pls] should not be a habit for users. Don’t make it an instinct to fast-track every eligible post to the front of the closure system; cv-pls is for posts that:

are really bad (low quality magnets)
are a bad example used to justify other crap
have recent activity on the question (Edits, VLQ/NAA answer)
don’t have enough users in that tag to close the post in time
Your question is on hold-worthy for a passerby but IMHO not one that needs the room to close it. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to post it here, of course. But it doesn't even have the tag, only
 
3:14 PM
@TylerH "had recent activity". There we go.
 
it's highly unlikely to garner any attention because only 1.1k people even follow that tag
and recent activity precludes "new question posting"
that's like a tautological argument
 
Well
Actually, that's not the point of this rule
This rule is meant to say, "only cv-pls the stuff that can actively generate crap before the CV queue reaches it"
And it tries to provide examples of when you should cv-pls, for example in new questions in very high-traffic tags or on questions that are in low-activity tags and thus don't have many moderator eyes on them
But that means pretty much any question with recent activity fits into that rule
If it's on , it's high-traffic and thus should be cv-pls'ed. If it's on (A Node.JS framework), it's on a low-activity tag and thus should be cv-pls'ed.
 
Hi all. o/
 
The point is, use your wits and knowledge of some tags and its active users. Pick out the questions that are at risk of being answered and accepted before the community can sweep in, and use cv-pls to quickly close those.
Plop Baum mit Augen
 
@Kyll Yeah, that's always how I took it.
 
3:18 PM
I know fairly well and can sniff out easily crap-magnets
Same for me Watch
 
That that launched the whole discussion was for a question that I don't understand despite being the top answerer of questions and knowing the code of RequireJS pretty well. If answers are posted, they are going to be guesses or generic. I see the core of a good question there so I held off on voting to close immediately in the vain hope that it would be fixed quickly.
 
Plop @JAL. You in for some rep gain?
 
Shady keyword detected: *rep*
 
@Kyll Had a NAA earlier.
 
JAL
3:25 PM
@Kyll plop! Always trying to get those repzzzz
 
@JAL Any bounty you might be interested in?
Nathan commissioned me to motive ya
 
JAL
hahaha
 
Y'know what, at 25k you get a TF2 hat. How's that?
 
JAL
I'm ok thanks, just trying to balance some deadlines at work, so I haven't been active lately
@Kyll I should be giving you items. You need to get to 10k!
 
Who needs work when there's a hat on the line?
 
JAL
3:26 PM
:)
 
@JAL Meh >..>
 
You both need rep, slackers
 
yeah, those slacks...
 
YOU TOO
 
checks kayess rep
god damnit
 
3:28 PM
hides in shame
 
You're almost there
 
yeah just need a tiny fraction of boostup
 
@Louis @Kyll my primary disagreement is that the argument of something (especially a low-traffic tag) needing to be closed within the hour is not sound; if it were tagged with javascript or jquery then yes I would agree with you and it would probably have 4 answers already, despite needing more detail.
But really this can be avoided by sticking to our recent Room Meeting ruling: stick to prescribed CV reasons only for requests.
AKA only "Unclear" and no "I've waited a whole hour for a response"
 
@TylerH Which is Unclear here?
Ah
Wait is that what it's about?
 
Because it was the time comment that prompted me to say something in the firs tplace
but anyway we are just going round a moot point by now
 
3:33 PM
@JAL ohhh I see Alex noted that I was burning jasperviewer.., thanks JAL
 
hey petter
 
hiya @pet
 
Hi @BaummitAugen
 
\o
 
3:34 PM
 
@TylerH I'm not saying close that question because I waited one hour and got not response. I'm saying close it because it is unclear, that's a prescribed close reason.
 
BTW, if anyone is looking for a targeted queue session, there should be ~50 questions in the CV queue now, per meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/341843/…
@Louis Yes, but the point of sticking to prescribed close reasons is to avoid debate about non-prescribed reasons
it defeats the purpose if you use a prescribed reason and a non prescribed one in the same cv-pls
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[software-engineering]"
 
@rene must be the delay
 
3:39 PM
@TylerH I was not at the meeting so I have to interpret the intent there. My interpretation is not to put a close request because a Q is "trivial" or "OP lacks knowledge" which are not prescribed reasons What you are saying is that there cannot be any auxiliary information with a request. So "too broad (the Q amounts to asking how to write a whole app)" is no okay.
 
what is it, a couple hours?
 
@TylerH 15 minutes
I have had 20 or so
 
@Louis in general we would like to think that additional info is OK or benign at least, but sometimes it's not, and sometimes it can just lead to unnecessary discussions, like ours
therefore it's best to just leave out any non-prescribed reason because it's unnecessary at best, distracting/harmful at worst
since we certainly won't be voting to close it 'because it has been an hour without a response'
@rene I started about 25 minutes ago and just finished at about 10:35
so by 11AM (20 mins) the rest should be in there
 
OK, that is left for others then
 
@TylerH The reason is because it is unclear.
 
3:48 PM
@Louis yes, all other info or thoughts should be avoided because that space is for the reason
 
@kayess \o
\o to all others also : )
 
\o
 
@TylerH I understand not wanting "cv-pls this question stinks", or "cv-pls trivial", or "cv-pls unclear (the OP is a moron)". A general prohibition on auxiliary observations is wrong-headed, in my opinion but I was not at the meeting so I guess I'll just have to live with it.
 
4:13 PM
@Louis right, that stuff is obvious, and your comment was benign, of course, but it was portrayed as additional/deeper reasoning for why you were putting in the cv-pls nao
 
jasper-viewer
 
4:43 PM
I was tricked. I thought I had the flu, but the doctor said it was not the flu. And so I spent yesterday absorbing my bed for many hours amidst the aches and pains of not-the-flu.
 
What did he say it was?
 
4:58 PM
an alien is incubating inside him and will pop out of his stomach imminently
 
user4639281
@Louis We're asking that when submitting requests the reason should only include a prescribed close reason. More than one reason is allowed if it fits the criteria for more than one close reason. If you want to make constructive observations about the question after requesting, that is fine. We're trying to keep the process as professional and respectful of all parties involved as possible.
 
user4639281
I can't find the request you guys are talking about so I can't comment in this specific request, but that's the gist of the conclusion from the room meeting.
 
@TinyGiant Is "cv-pls unclear (see comment)" okay?
 
user4639281
Yeah, that would be fine
 
@TinyGiant It's this one.
 
user4639281
5:09 PM
@Louis I'd say in that case, the parenthetical block is superfluous. If (see comment) refers to a comment explaining why the question is off-topic, that would be pertinent. I wouldn't say don't do what you did, it doesn't really hurt anything, but it is unnecessary.
 
I said it was "not-the-flu."
 
user4639281
I see that your comment is explaining why the question is off-topic, so (see comment) would have sufficed.
 
It may have been a virus, but it may have also been a chestburster.
Because I am still feeling the symptoms today, but because it is "not-the-flu" it is not contagious in the way that flu is.
 
Or an alien.
 
also because my lymph nodes are not swollen, my throat feels fine, and my sniffles are likely to have come from me trying to douse myself in a shower repeatedly to reduce the aches and pains
PS, if you have body aches, set your shower to one step below scald, and enjoy.
 
user4639281
5:12 PM
It could be Magic™
 
It's probably not magic.
 
@TinyGiant I completely agree with what you say. I could have just written "see comment". The fact that my comment got no action is irrelevant.
 
user4639281
@Louis Exactly
 
@TinyGiant Thanks for clarifying. After the explanation I got from TylerH my impression was that from now on anything added after prescribed close reason (eg. see comment) was off-limits.
 
user4639281
Not everything no. But it should exclude anything that is not relevant to the closure of the question, specifically criticism of the question itself outside of the prescribed close reasons. If the information provided supports the close reason itself, that's fine.
 
user4639281
5:27 PM
So long as it is constructive of course
 
Sure. That's always what I've understood to be the case.
 
@TinyGiant That is what I understood from "Stick to the prescribed CV reasons when making requests, and always use constructive language when describing a question. We already require members to act professionally and with a high standard." The heading on the discussion was "Do we need to watch our tone more?", not a general discussion about should we, or should we not permit any additional information beyond just the specific close reasons.
 
user4639281
As long as the additional information is included to support the close reason supplied, and the language used is constructive, I'm fine with it.
 
Thus, the discussion was not presented to the community at large as something that would cover a moratorium on providing constructive information about the closure beyond just the specific close reason. This would have resulted in not having people join the meeting who would be interested in discussing such a moratorium (people with all points of view).
@TinyGiant That is what I understood the stated results of the discussion to be.
 
5:51 PM
are you out of CVs?
 
No, voted now.
Just wanted to handle the relevant Natty reports first.
 
6:31 PM
 
@SmokeDetector needs an edit but looks okay
 
Hey, what happened to the tag synonym proposal?
I can't seem to find it.
Did it get migrated to meta.SO?
 
@M.A.R. very nice
 
6:44 PM
IKR
I wish someone like that did something like that for one of the sites I'm in.
 
Some are debatable, like command --> cmd, but overall, it looks great
 
@M.A.R. btw moderators and employees are not the same thing
 
I know
But they're almost the same thing in meta.SE
 
Okay, your comment was confusing, "When a mod, i.e. a SE dev comes by, they will migrate it"
 
Well, a mod in that context will most probably be Oded.
 
6:46 PM
yeah, there are actually no moderators on MSE
only employees
meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators could do with some explanation of that actually...
 
> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because Pick a reason, any reason.
That's a bit tongue-in-cheek
@TylerH Would you stop nitpicking
 
@M.A.R. no, would you stop belittling my contributions?
 
Here, let me find an enjoyable Dilbert page
@TylerH Uh, nope
 
then you're in violation of room and site rule "Be Nice"
 
@TylerH ( つ•̀ω•́)つᗺǝ Nᴉɔǝ
 
6:51 PM
@JarrodRoberson looks reasonable constrained to me.
 
7:25 PM
close question
 
o/
 
7:40 PM
@PetterFriberg isn't that roombad?
 
yeah after I seen it, but if we close it's quicker...
 
oh I see, downvote was today so it'll be deleted sunday morning
 
so quick?, was it not a lot of days, need to check roomba rulez again..
 
should have been deleted years ago if it were not for the number of comments rule...
 
@PetterFriberg now that it's been downvoted, it meets the roomba criteria and will be deleted when the script runs
 
7:46 PM
@TylerH that should be closed though
 
Yeah I do not need to wait for 30 days... when romba runs it will get deleted correct?
 
@approxiblue yes but it's a 5 year old question with no activity in 5 years
which is usually not OK here
 
@NobodyNada IIRC, Roomba usually runs once a day. That means it will be deleted within 24 hours (it is >30 days old, has a -1 score, & not locked). In these cases, a downvote is more powerful than your close vote. There is no reason to expend close votes on something that will shortly be Roomba'ed.
 
@PetterFriberg if it runs... but yes
@Makyen for that particular rule, it's once a week, saturday 3 UTC
 
@TylerH forgot about that, we'll let it close naturally
 
7:47 PM
and it was my concern that editing it would bump it to the front page so instead of posting a dubious CV I decided to just try to get the edit stopped instead
I will CV it myself tomorrow when I have new votes and just let the queue handle it
as of now I'm out since morning, having filled the queue with ~50 posts
 
@PetterFriberg will that not get roomba'd as well?
 
maybe now : ), it has an answer at -1? better to close
 
@Tunaki I really thought I had recently, at least within the last month, seen a question be deleted for this Roomba rule during the middle of the week.
 
@NobodyNada it has an answer so it won't get roomba'd unless it is closed
 
@Makyen Yeah... in theory some rules are once a week (according to the roomba docs). But since it's kinda broken... I'm not sure what really happens
@TylerH not necessarily
 
7:50 PM
@NobodyNada seems like it wil not be roombad if not closed, since it has an answer
 
@Tunaki roomba rules on score for non-closed questions only apply to the question, not the answers
 
@TylerH ah yes you're right
was confused
 
ah, you're right @Tyler @Petter
 
the rules are v. confusing
I always have to look them up
I guess complex moreso than confusing
 
complexity leads to confusion
 
7:53 PM
only for non-ascended lifeforms
so like, rene is never confused
being an Ascendant Flower
 
Sounds like we need on rule to rule them all, and in the darkness, bind them.
 
@TylerH Sounds like a user script would be appropriate to add a note that a question qualifies for Roomba.
2
 
@Makyen We have one of those
 
we do?
 
At least I do
 
7:56 PM
@NathanOliver Where?
 
User script courtesy of Siguza: github.com/Siguza/StackScripts/blob/master/…
2
@SmokeDetector sd k
I'm spam flagging now
 
I have it to, but it's not perfect...
 
@PetterFriberg That just means we need to fix it.
 
Was that a bad comment?
 
8:02 PM
@NathanOliver no, I think it was good
We've been friendly enough, and he's ignoring us.
 
@NathanOliver no we catch them since the post has heat, if not spam bad comment, if spam bad post
 
Ah. I was wondering what set the detection off there
 
@NathanOliver Thanks, this is really useful
 
np
Petter says it could use some work but it works most of the time. Maybe some JS peeps can take a look at it.
 
It works well if question closed
if think it has problem to detect last time question was active
 
8:11 PM
:(
 
@NathanOliver I'm looking at it now. I'm not sure I have enough time today to make sure it is working, but I'll work on it.
 
Let me know to, I like that script.
 
Cool. Thanks for looking at it. I'm sure others will like it
 
8:46 PM
There's an old .NET question that has out-of-date answers that someone wants to reopen. Since it's asking for off-site resources ("What NoSQL solutions are out there for .NET?"), should it actually be deleted? Who'd have the privileges necessary to do that? Should I flag for moderator attention? stackoverflow.com/questions/1777103/…
 
@JeffBridgman It's so highly voted and old that I would not delete it.
also, it was delete-cycle'd once
 
Good to know. I figured the large number of upvotes would be an issue with deleting. Thanks for info :)
 
9:13 PM
:35199978 I would leave it alive but I definitely wouldn't reopen it
at most it should be locked for historical significance
but the OP of that post does frequent this chatroom
 
dur
9:25 PM
@PetterFriberg: How did you handle the accepted link-only answer with dead link of the question: stackoverflow.com/q/7757812/5292302 (your cv-pls)?
 
Does this hot question count as a typo? stackoverflow.com/questions/41745877/…
There's a lot of salt in the comments regarding this...
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak No, I don't think so.
 
To me it looks like the question is caused by a << forgotten on the first line
 
@dur I updated that dead link to the web archived link
@JanDvorak folks here have said typo reasoning includes "if this question is caused by a problem [that other users are not likely to experience]"
it's not technically a typo in the strict sense of OP probably meant to type <<, but it's a typo in that they just typed the wrong thing in a basic case
 
I'm going to guess people are unlikely to experience this issue :-)
 
9:31 PM
If you reword it completely to "why does cout << cout print 1", it isn't a typo anymore though
 
@Tunaki with bad subject-verb agreement and all? :-P
 
@TylerH I have no idea what you're talking about
 
@Tunaki :-)
 
I'm sure you do...
 
But the accepted top answer does mention "whether you meant to type << or not... blah blah blah"
so it covers both possibilities
 
9:33 PM
@Tunaki Not sure it counts as a valid edit, though
 
At the very least, we have a unique useful answer. That has to count for something
Pretty rare.
 
The answer is good, yes, even though I'd say this isn't all too useful to know
 
@dur My opinion is to update the link to use an archive, if available. However, my view (specifically for highly upvoted/accepted answers) is controversial (+16/-11). The linked answer contains JavaScript for bookmarklets which will find archives for the currently viewed page.
 
good answer don't argue against closure, though
 
in some cases there's an argument they do
I don't know about this case though
that argument being "a great answer can salvage an otherwise mediocre/poor question"
@Makyen I updated that link to an archived version manually already, at least there's that. Question has 2 CVs on it currently, so it may end up being closed
 
9:37 PM
@JanDvorak true, but on border-line case like those, it changes the balance
 
@TylerH Thanks. I noticed. I was a several seconds behind you in editing it (got the "this post has been edited" notice while editing).
 
9:55 PM
Wrong link. Updated ^^
Mobile clipboard is a pest
 
So is mobile chat :/
 
Mobile everything is pesky compared to desktop
Except certain kinds of games
 
Agreed
But all in the name of mobility
 
10:37 PM
@Makyen ah, sorry for the ninja :-P
 
@TylerH np :-)
 
home time
o/
 
user4639281
11:35 PM
_o/\o_ _o/\o_
 
high fives?
 
user4639281
I'm highfiving my selves
 

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