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12:47 AM
l = ~[];
l = {
    ___: ++l,
    $$$$: (![] + "")[l],
    __$: ++l,
    $_$_: (![] + "")[l],
    _$_: ++l,
    $_$$: ({} + "")[l],
    $$_$: (l[l] + "")[l],
    _$$: ++l,
    $$$_: (!"" + "")[l],
    $__: ++l,
    $_$: ++l,
    $$__: ({} + "")[l],
    $$_: ++l,
    $$$: ++l,
    $___: ++l,
    $__$: ++l
};
^ pure evil
 
ow
what language is that?
 
@approxiblue javascript
freaking obfuscated javascript
 
I'll stick with C++
@Braiam So apart from inducing seizures, what does it do?
 
@MikelF beats me...
l = ~[]; just returns -1
the rest creates an object with the hexadecimals characters
 
12:58 AM
@Braiam Do you eat living squirrels, too?
 
1:14 AM
Hi all
 
1:24 AM
are some people innately hostile to tag edits?
 
@MikelF Everyone is hostile to something. Why would tag edits make an exception? :-)
Hi @AndrewLi!
 
@Olaf Had a couple of tag edits get reject votes that didn't seem to make sense to me... so I wonder if there are some who automatically reject tag-only edits
 
user3956566
@MikelF depends if they're useful. When a user mass edits tags only, it feels like they're trying to get an easy 2 points per edit when they leave everything else. Unless a tag only edit is obviously good and there's no obvious issues with the rest of the post, I decline them
 
@MikelF Could be, but when I had my edits to be approved there was no such problem. Which main tag?
 
@YvetteColomb might I ask your thoughts on this one then? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/14834185
 
user3956566
1:30 AM
@MikelF you can see why this was rejected stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/14716726
 
@YvetteColomb of course... I was a victim of timing :)
 
@YvetteColomb Depends. I approve them for very low-rep users. But agreed, if I see a user more often doing such edits, I also tend to decline some of them.
 
user3956566
@MikelF personally, I'd wait until you have edit privileges for those types of edits. I look at those and think, hm not absolutely necessary. But I'm harsh on suggested edits. i think if people want to earn rep by them, improve bad posts. I'm not keen on minor edits. Now if a tag is wrong like C++ to C I'd approve that
 
I mainly follow C++, so when I see something that doesn't fit, I tend to punt it... today I actually added tags that seemed to improve the chance of the question getting to the right audiences
 
user3956566
I approved that edit adding that tag, it was ok (so I take back what I said)
 
1:35 AM
@YvetteColomb It is not that much of a problem. You can only get up to a certtain limit of reps from edits anyway (ther must be a meta with the actual value ... searching the internet printouts)
 
@YvetteColomb I understood your reasoning independent of any actions on my edit. :)
 
user3956566
@Olaf yes Mike's are ok, he's not spamming for rep (by spamming I mean lots of minor edits
 
@MikelF I'd say timing saved you from getting the edit rejected by normal users. See the code, it is clearly not C.
 
@Olaf The stream example was added later, I believe.
 
user3956566
@MikelF with this stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/14833966 I'd have fixed the typos also. Usually when a post is being closed I will reject superfluous edits (i.e. ones that won't help to reopen it) as it's like repainting a cabin on the titanic
 
user3956566
1:39 AM
ok that's my reasoning on edit reviews, if that helps ;)
 
@MikelF No. See timestamps and the history. (big brother is watching you ;-)
@YvetteColomb Wouldn't that be leeching?
 
user3956566
@Olaf maybe
 
@Olaf I'll bite... my edit: edit approved Dec 27 '16 at 21:24 the streams addition: edited Dec 28 '16 at 19:06
 
@YvetteColomb likes to learn new phrases or new usages for known phrases
 
user3956566
@Olaf nice
 
1:44 AM
I'd also like to say my intent from posting in here was not to get my edits serially approved.
 
@MikelF See the previous edit at 21:07, last line.
 
user3956566
what is not good here, is you went back for a second bite stackoverflow.com/posts/41352110/revisions stackoverflow.com/users/7016303/mikel-f?tab=activity If it's rejected you need to leave it be. If the OP rejects it, which is looks like she has, then leave it
 
@YvetteColomb Oh, my bad. I didn't intend to be nice. After all I have a reputation to loose being the nit-picky bad guy :-)
 
user3956566
@Olaf hm sorry.. Let me amend my reply
 
user3956566
@Olaf pft typical nit picking bad guy ;)
 
user3956566
1:48 AM
hehe
 
@MikelF: But sh** happens, we all make mistakes. I just wanted to show how easy it is to err on the language.
@YvetteColomb Yes! That feels better now.
 
@Olaf I still assert that fwrite is a C concept
 
user3956566
@Olaf my work here is done ;) Must go now, I'll be back in a while.
 
@MikelF No, it is a C-ABI function. Still valid in C++. But you missed the point.
 
user3956566
@MikelF hope I haven't gone into too much detail over your edits - poor thing
 
1:50 AM
@YvetteColomb I'm fine
 
@YvetteColomb I'll head for bed soon. Bye!
@YvetteColomb Don't worry, I'll leave some remains of him for you ;-)
 
@Olaf Got it
 
user3956566
@Olaf as long as no one is eating my horses :)
 
@MikelF Just to make sure: rawData.size() could be C, but evidence is more for C++.
@YvetteColomb Not now. I'm full. And a trip down-under just to have something I can have here would be quite a waste of time, wouldn't it?
 
user3956566
gross! lol
 
user3956566
1:54 AM
@MikelF I like your profile and experience, sounds like you'll have a lot to offer SO
 
actually, rawData.size() is pretty much the dead giveaway that it is C++
 
user3956566
I miss C
 
user3956566
was the most exciting language for me, followed by (I'm a sad sick person)
 
@YvetteColomb thanks... I wish I had discovered this place a while back... better late than never, though
 
user3956566
where are you from Mike?
 
1:56 AM
San Diego, CA for the most part... lived here 31 or so years
 
user3956566
kk
 
user3956566
well nice to get to know you a bit better
 
@YvetteColomb It's my prefered language as Modula is not acepted by customers today (and there are no implementations for most of my embedded MCUs). But actually I prefer to use C with the gcc plan9-extensions. OOP without the overhead and bloat of language. Sufficient for my field of work.
 
user3956566
I really have to go and sleep. My daughter is nicely asleep :)
 
I hope your daughter gets better soon... ear infections?
 
user3956566
1:58 AM
@Olaf yep
 
user3956566
she's not on antibiotics, so fluid in the middle ear? that's not infected and hopefully will not be
 
fingers are crossed
 
@MikelF Hmm, I just checked that all once more. You are right, the rejected edit was just 1 min before OP changed the question completely. So the rejected edit was indeed correct. But the next one at 21:24 was not. But it was understandable, as I assume you did not expect such a major change. Fine, you are discharged. You may leave the court now :-)
 
@Olaf The edit is till wrong, regardless of the time stamps
 
@YvetteColomb That sounds like she needs these small drainage tubes. Know that from the kids in my family. Pretty common.
@MikelF ... or you can stay in court and we get the soft cushions. If those don't work, I'm sure we can find a comfy armchair somehwhere.
 
2:04 AM
@Olaf Don't mind me... it's a pathological need to be correct or admit when I am not...
 
@MikelF Oh, I know that very well ... (and I will deny I said that later!)
@TigerhawkT3 Did he change the color or eat a fly?
 
Changed the color.
 
Could be an octopus... they are much more impressive at color changes
 
Well, the usual phrase is "chameleon question."
 
@TigerhawkT3 An octopus question is one that has been opened, closed, deleted or undeleted 8 times. More commonly called a "locked thread"
 
2:10 AM
@Machavity Or a big nasty mess that then spills into Meta
 
@MikelF The first rule of Close Club is we don't talk about Meta
 
@MikelF And properly prepared, they taste better ...
 
code only answers are considered problematic, right?
 
2:33 AM
@MikelF if only_code: bad()
 
@MikelF Yes, just remember the rules suggestions made by the nice doggy mod
 
3:24 AM
sd k -Rude
OP deleted.
 
 
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user3956566
4:48 AM
@Olaf she's too old 15
 
7:29 AM
I made an edit to the above post which removed the spam link in the question. I didn't think the person was intending to promote their site. Let me know if this was a mistake on my part. Please vote to close/delete it though if you can.
 
Mornin'
 
user3956566
hi
 
it's almost goodnight for me ;) hello
 
I shouldn't visit meta in the morning xD SE posted something about a personal information leaking bug, and now people are whining SE isn't using the right words to be transparent.
 
> it is almost certain that some recruiters still have some developer story content stored in browser cache
Uhm.. wasn't the leaked contact information exactly the same that was meant to be available to recruiters?
 
7:44 AM
@ivarni Good point, actually
 
I read most of the comments there as "waaah! I put some contact information on the internet in order to be contacted and someone saw it! waah!"
 
@Carpetsmoker That's one of the first things we thought, too. We took a look at our load balancer / access logs as we were fixing the bug, and from what we could tell, it was only the normal symphony of crawlers. We of course can't be 100% certain but it doesn't look like that scenario happened. Could a shady recruiter have updated their user scripts after the bug was reported publicly? Possibly, but it was fixed really quickly - I'm doubtful. — Tim Post ♦ Jan 5 at 18:55
This sums it up pretty well.
They handled the bug. They are transparent about it. People need to stop whining about details :P
 
Argh, seems we agree then. Where's the fun in that?
 
... At least it means I can go to bed now.
 
 
And the reply to that.
Your question is already covered :D
 
Yeah but it's just a comment
and the "used internally" doesn't instill confidence if they for example make matches out of that data it could be partially inferred by employers
 
There's careful and then there's paranoid.
 
The number of employeee edits there though meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/341214/revisions
Also, look where rene works meta.stackoverflow.com/revisions/… :D
 
@BhargavRao :o
thats a nice revision link, how did you get it?
 
8:29 AM
Go to the revisions list and click source
 
8:46 AM
Morning \o
 
8:57 AM
Hiya
 
Hiya @kay and @tuna
 
Plop!
 
9:14 AM
Plop
 
0
Q: Do we need [softmax]?

LlopisIn a suggested edit review I noted a user suggesting a new tag softmax I have rejected a couple of edits but I might be wrong doing so (I am new to that review queue). I think we don't need that tag. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? ...

 
Hi @Thomas do you know the parent user of your chat account goes to a non-existing SO main account? Did something got merged?
 
@rene How peculiar
 
plop @Kyll
 
@rene: yes, I had 2 accounts and I requested the merge. I'm still able to log in with both credentials and interestingly my profile picture in the chat is different depending on the login I use.
 
9:34 AM
@Thomas It could be worth voicing this to SO via the Contact form.
 
It can be solved by deleting the chat profile and then recreating it from the other account
 
Mods experimenting.
 
I don't want to, In case I screw up :P
 
Always cool to find out what I have that I didn't even know about. Chat profile... ok...
 
@Thomas here is a relevant meta post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/268381/…
 
9:40 AM
@rene: thanks, I left a comment there
 
@Thomas Marc is rather busy, I think you're better off using the Contact us link, gets handled and routed on a better SLA... but maybe you get lucky ;)
 
Hiya @ren @Bhar @Kyll @Tun
 
10:10 AM
voted
 
@NisseEngström Nice find
 
@Kyll Thanks. I bookmarked it recently for editing, and then realized that it was completely wrong.
 
Mods are lurking, obsolete flags handled in a minute
 
Nah, The other mods are active
The lurking mod is kinda busy in a meeting :(
 
"The Lurking Mod" sounds like a pub.
 
10:27 AM
 
"Pub to the lurking mod"
 
It's the diamond people equivalent of the "Tavern on the Meta", it's "The Lurking Mod"
 
10:48 AM
Anybody around to reboot Smokey?
 
!!/reboot
 
Goodbye, cruel world
 
I agree Smokey....
 
@rene ?
 
@rene !
 
11:04 AM
@YvetteColomb You TP'ed the answer..?
 
user3956566
@Kyll I tped both
 
It seems VLQ
 
user3956566
I removed blu, as he has another post, not spam and has an account for a while will change feedback @Kyll
 
K then
 
user3956566
Op deleted it, so all good
 
user3956566
11:09 AM
@rene rene .
 
user3956566
Just following the punctuation train
 
11:22 AM
@YvetteColomb I recall seeing a message that you've been at the hospital with your daughter. How is she doing? Recovering well, I hope.
 
user3956566
@Louis oh thanks for asking, she is still unwell. She has to go back to the doctor. She doesn't look well.
 
@YvetteColomb Sorry to read that. :(
 
user3956566
@Louis she's a darling. Been in bed all day, but it's not too bad, she'll be ok. Thanks again for asking
 
12:10 PM
@Louis the accepted self-answer looks a lot like LO
 
@Adriaan borderline
 
Not really LO in my opinion, it can provide value without the link
I wouldn't CV the Q as mcve either, personally. It seems like a pretty straight forward question asking about how to increase concurrency
 
@ivarni then it should be a comment. Without showing how that should be done, which is all contained in the link, it's more of a pointer/idea than a proper fully-worked out solution
 
Just edit out the sob-story about the app that got slower and then it's a perfectly fine question
 
@ivarni There's any number of problems that can occur in the code.
 
12:16 PM
@Louis And those problems cause the browser to limit the number of concurrent requests? php must be worse than I initally thought :p
 
@ivarni I've answered enough questions on SO to know that OPs misdiagnose their problems left and right.
 
@Louis but not up and down?
 
@Tunaki Up and down and back and forth and multidimensionally.
 
:)
 
1:20 PM
The moment someone asks a follow-up question on an accepted answer and you tell them to post that as separate question and they then post the same faulty code as before, with a different text...
 
@Adriaan rip learning effect
 
@Magisch exactly
 
2:15 PM
Reminder that the SOCVR room meeting is next week, on Monday January 16th. Review / vote / comment on existing proposed topics and submit new ones on GitHub. Can't make it? Throw a mail-in statement.
4
 
Submitted something
@Tunaki: Timeframe for the meeting?
 
uuh something like 22 UTC, not sure
 
'kay. I'll probably be riding then...
 
2:30 PM
morning!
 
gunr o/
@dur I don't know here, how can you tell OP is using CSRF?
 
@Cerbrus 4PM EST
or something like that
yeah, 4PM EST
 
OK it is enabled by default starting from 4.0 docs.spring.io/spring-security/site/docs/current/reference/…, maybe they have an older version
 
since that helps you :-P
@Tunaki they're pulling from java.sun.com/jsp/jstl/core
wouldn't that be the latest version?
 
2:46 PM
morning
 
eurgh, just heard a coworker pronounce McAfee Mic - Ay - Fee
that's even worse than Muh Caffy
 
that's pretty bad
 
@TylerH Yea, that's 10 in the evening for me. I'm definitely at the stables then :P
 
Do you ride on western saddles or english saddles?
 
@TylerH nah that's just a namespace
 
2:56 PM
@TylerH How are they different?
 
@rene western saddle has stirrups and bigger pommel and in general more 'stuff'
that english saddle on the right is minimalist but it gets the message across
well, they do come with stirrups but they're positioned weirdly
 
Hmm, never realized that difference existed
 
@rene I think there's a third type but I can't recall
 
3:11 PM
Muh cofee
 
dur
@Tunaki: Good point. Unfortunately I can't find a good reference, best I found is docs.spring.io/spring-security/site/docs/current/reference/… (<csrf>). But it isn't at docs.spring.io/spring-security/site/docs/current/reference/… (auto-config), where it should be.
 
@dur I left a comment asking for the version they are using. I'm not sure how old Spring Securiry behave....
 
3:30 PM
Is vmware-player considered a "software tool commonly used by programmers"? I might need to retract a flag.
 
@BSMP If you are configuring or using the software as a standard end-user, off-topic. If you are using a provided SDK to run or manage the software as a programmer, on-topic.
 
@gunr2171 I thought so. Thanks!
 
no problem
 
dur
@Tunaki: You are right. Thanks.
 
Tunaki is always right.
 
3:48 PM
touchy the fishy
 
Don't touchy the puffer fishy.
 
man, I really need Tampermonkey with the cv-pls script again..
 
Welcome back @cybermonkey \o
 
@kayess o/
 
JAL
hello all o/
 
4:01 PM
puffer fish is actually really tasty
had it once in japan
prepared properly, i did not die :V
 
In terms of fish I prefer whale. Whale is fantastic.
 
yo jal
 
I prefer Salmon
 
smoked salmon fish tacos
 
and now I'm hungry, thanks
 
4:05 PM
Chop green peppers, red tomatoes, smoked salmon, chicken for texture because smoked salmon is not really fun to chew, some cilantro, baby romaine, and mix in liberal amounts of shrimp sauce. Top with cheese to taste. Place in tacos. Consume.
 
JAL
yum
 
@gunr2171 good thing it's dinner time in 10 minutes
no whale meat here though :(
 
I have been spending some time just chopping salads and putting them into tacos and burritos as stress relief.
 
@Adriaan darn time zones :(
 
Using a mezzaluna is fun, and the results are usually tasty enough to warrant a retry :V
 
4:08 PM
@gunr2171 I'll save you a plate ;)
 
what does whale taste like
 
@Compass very, very tender cow. It's a mammal whose meat has been supported all around, as opposed to dragged down by gravity
 
Huh. That sounds like a depressing way to describe a cow.
 
speaking of cows
did you guys hear about scientists wanting to bring back the aurochs?
 
@TylerH can we eat that?
 
4:13 PM
yes
it is the ancient european cow
 
Is it tasty?
 
the last one went extinct in the 1600s and a Danish king used its horn as a drinking cup
 
I've had bison before, and it's much tastier.
Not having all that fat and stuff really helps.
 
@TylerH good 'ol vikings
 
Excuse me, a Polish king
 
4:15 PM
@TylerH oh, those were much more fun when they were still part of Sweden :P
 
lol
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 7 hours to continue reviewing.
Worked my way through plugins xamarin and opencv
cc @Tunaki maybe
or @SotiriosDelimanolis
 
oh that's a poor question
horrible answer
 
alternatively we could just delete it if it's that bad...
 
reclosed as the best dupe
@TylerH bah people seem to find it, so dupe is better...
 
@SmokeDetector whoa I had to look thrice to see what was happening there
 
4:21 PM
@TylerH I'm not sure here though
 
Well is there an objective "best" way to do it?
also it seems too broad in that it says "I'll leave the definition of best up to you"
 
There are lots of ways to do it.... but JSch is really what you should use...
 
Why do people go so bonkers on SO?
 
PEOPLEZ ARE WRONG ON THE INTERNET
 
It's not like this is reddit. Passive aggressive maximum setting is strong!
 
4:24 PM
@Tunaki I've edited it to not be so glaringly POB
though it's still too broad IMHO
 
@Compass I think the real question is "Why do people go so bonkers?" or even "Why do people?"
 
Compile error obviously :V
Or is it a runtime error?
 
@TylerH Indeed, it is too broad. Such questions are harmful to productivity. They do not delineate any specific problem to be solved so over time they accumulate answers for dozens of various scenarios. When I am trying to solve an actual problem and run across such questions most of my time is spent filtering out answers irrelevant to my case.
 
boy if I asked a question every time my code was bothering me
I'd be question banned
 
4:40 PM
if you're not bothered when writing code, you're not doing it right
 
I'm not. I just roll around on the keyboard and press the play button, and if it doesn't play, I roll around at the compile issue until it plays.
 
um, how many reopen votes do we get per day?
isn't it like 20?
 
I think it's 50 CV + RV
 
oh
is that new?
 
@Tunaki Depends on the language. Dealing with C is more like explaining a not so clever person explaining science and engineering (let's call it "trumpeting"). In Python I feel way more supported by the other side, it is more like discussing with someone en par with me and understanding my concepts.
 
4:46 PM
I feel like reopen votes have always capped at 20 in the queue
ah it's 40 in the queue so just like CVs
 
@SmokeDetector looks like a comment to me
 
Project Valerie looks terrifying.
 
too expensive, bulky and fragile?
 
@Sot Can we close this as dupe of this? It holds the answer
 
5:03 PM
I don't understand what the problem is. It seems to be bad inferrence in the newer on.
 
hmm perhaps change the title then
 
The newer one can probably be closed as not able to reproduce. See this comment from the OP.
 
I'm down with that.
 
Well it works fine on the Eclipse Mars.2 I tested...
I don't have a Neon to test here
 
works on neon
1.a release
 
5:12 PM
Only Neon.2 remains then.... but I would be amazed it doesn't work...
 
What should we do when we come across an older answer with a link that now points to a missing site
 
typical link-only. Try to find it on web.archive and see if it can be salvaged
 
Okay, that's what I'm doing
 
@JacobGray Depends. If it is a good answer that actually provides content on SO but one link has gone bad, I'll try to fix the link, or comment if I cannot fix it. If it is link-only, I downvote, flag as NAA, and vote to delete (if possible). I'm not inclined to spend any time fixing link-only answers.
 
I'm going to get that deleted.
 
@JAL Yep, how to make people fill surveys
@SotiriosDelimanolis Incredible. There is an issue with Neon.2! cc @4castle
 
6:21 PM
@JAL so, it's not rewarded retroactively?
 
Or audits? You have made too many incorrect answers, Come back in 3 days and complete the rest of the form. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 24 mins ago
That's just awesome
 
JAL
@TylerH guess not sadly
@Machavity lol
 
@JAL bummer. I have to wait a whole year to get it
 
JAL
@TylerH maybe sooner?
> No, we can't award the badge on a date prior to the creation date of the badge. But you can earn one very soon!
 
time travel
 
6:31 PM
@Tunaki INCROYABLE!
 
:D
 
6:44 PM
@JAL ah, a new survey
I just hope they don't upload the survey to google docs...
like they did for their last one
because that's blocked for me at work
I reeeally need to set up secure tunneling into my home computer...
Ah, the developer survey, Tim mentions that at the end
 
7:27 PM
o/
 
JAL
hello!
 
7:42 PM
@JAL why are you saying hello to nobody
5
hardy har har :-D
 
JAL
ha
got me
 
you were just saying hi to me, right @JAL?
 
@ryanyuyu why would someone do that?
 
I just spent an hour and a half of work writing a canonical. Good thing there was an all hands and no one really noticed/cared.
 
8:07 PM
@Tunaki I set myself up for that one.
How's life in France?
 
JAL
everyone gets a hello!
 
why thank you. I've been busy at work, but we just a big deadline, so I'll have a bit more time now.
 
JAL
that's good. We have a big deadline coming as well
 
oh great. This API call bluescreens my computer
consistently
 
seriously?
 
dur
8:19 PM
How to handle this question (dupes): stackoverflow.com/questions/41422564/… stackoverflow.com/questions/41259471/… and three more of the same user?
 
@NobodyNada seriously
on the plus side it's a known bug
has something to do with mcafee
 
what's it supposed to do?
 
better than a Heisenbug.
 
@dur either flag all of them as dupes/ask a gold badger in the tag to do so, or mod flag
 
@dur I think that user is not familiar with how SO works. Note this forum-style non-answer.
Perhaps friendly tour link or something too?
 
8:24 PM
We aren't supposed to be moderating users
 
@NobodyNada starting a scripting engine
I think it is just mcafee trying to keep up with data flow and failing on an epic level so it just shuts the computer down
 
In Swift on Linux, the type metadata for Error is all messed up, so almost any polymorphism with Errors causes strange crashes.
 
dur
8:37 PM
@Adriaan: Thanks. I voted this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/41575101/… already as unclear (one more vote is missing), so I can't vote for dupe.
 
not sure?
 
@SmokeDetector seems ok
 
If it doesn't do what you need, change the code so that it does Will is so helpful
 
classic
 
8:57 PM
@4castle Is that user posting the same question over and over, instead of editing a single question?
 
@NisseEngström Looks like it. Everything is copy-pasted and then the code and title is changed
 
@4castle Thought I recognized the code from another [cv-pls] recently.
 
@NisseEngström look a bit up; dur just asked about that
 
@Adriaan Ah, yes.
 
9:47 PM
good morning
 
\o good evening.. and soon night...
 
That's a nice post there @Sot
 
thank you, balusc has been asking for one for a long time
I'm going to start an effort to close a bunch of those 400+ duplicates
 
Yeah, thinking about that, there must be hundreds of dupe
 
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