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10:00 AM
@Tunaki Screenshot of a menu
Seems legit
 
alright
 
@TLM ^ Please do check the deleted comments there and take appropriate action
 
yeah TLM
 
pardon, TLM who?
 
@tripleee TheLostMind
 
10:03 AM
@Kyll ahh, obvious. thanks
 
10:18 AM
:32314010 k
@PetterFriberg dubious ... a PHP answer to a JavaScript question?
 
meeh the user have other answers and questions
 
Done
 
Thanks!
 
is metasmoke down for ya also?
 
@PetterFriberg Yup.
 
10:32 AM
ok found a message:
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 6 hours ago, by undo
metasmoke and everything else on erwaysoftware.com will be down until morning US time, at least. I might be rebuilding everything on 14.04, yay me.
that was amazing timing
 
@Kyll really kylling it with that timing
2
 
^^ by undo? I thought Sam built that site?
 
@Rizier123 Well, Sam built Undo, so technically...
afk
 
@Kyll I wanted to star that but it didn't come out right; also, the timing information needs to be absolute in order for the starred message to make sense
unfortunately, star humor dilutes the usefulness of this functionality dramatically
... somebody is being even funnier
 
10:56 AM
@TheLostMind I have a discussion on Meta on this post. Its about a moderator-imposed review ban. Now some comments are suggesting something entirely different. Maybe the mod who issued the ban could chime in there.
To the others here: I always thought (and I'm pretty sure I've been told by sources too) that "requires editing" is only for instances that another user (not the real author) could feasibly fix.
Am I wrong there?
 
@Magisch meeh, I would say question is ok, but we need to edit and work with OP (comments) to make it work..., hence for me also OP can provide info.. move it into "Review Help and Improvment", where you also can pass comments
but I'm not sure
 
11:25 AM
Hello everyone! (Sam's Backup Server)
 
Yass
closey is back
 
hey
 
@Magisch If the only person who can fix the question is the OP, then the question should be closed. I saw Cody's comment. I'm going to assert that if the site in any way suggests that when a question that is only salvageable by the OP (i.e. needs MCVE) should somehow be flagged something that needs editing rather than something that should be closed, then the site is wrong.
 
@Louis Yep, and it's been so for ages
The amount of disputed flags I got over this when I was below 3k...
 
Morning
 
Sam
11:31 AM
Hiya
 
Plop Nathan, Sam
 
In that case the official review guidance in the queue itself isn't just wrong, its dangerously wrong
@Kyll "Requires Editing for questions where edits by the author or others would result in a question that is clear and answerable" (emphasis cody's)
 
They have been saying they are going to update it but that still hasn't happened. They instead built and then dismantled teams.
 
Well, that would not be the first time I disagree with the "official stance". Just to name another one: I think historical locks should not exist.
 
@Magisch Yeah, I know. My point.
 
11:35 AM
Nathan, Sam, Louis o/
 
@Tunaki Bonjour!
 
@Magisch - Matt handled it :). I was afk
 
Its ok now :) Thanks for responding though
 
Hiya tuna
someone is chat flagging things that should not be flagged
 
yeah flagger
 
11:48 AM
What for instance?
 
wonders if we will be next
 
I can't see flags on chat.SO
 
me too neither
 
@Magisch Just random messages. They are not rude or abusive at all.
 
Btw is This a duplicate of this?
 
11:49 AM
C'mon who is flagging?
 
@NathanOliver In what chat room?
 
Here. Coldfires last message
 
Wait what
that got flag deleted?
Are you serious?
 
No he deleted it himself
 
hehe
 
11:51 AM
I think someone is going through the most used rooms and having some flag fun
 
we need mods
@TheLostMind you here?
 
And now I am getting flagged
 
hehe
 
Meh
They'll get a handful from the mods on this soon enough
When I was still insanely dumb ehm, new, to chat, I also flagged like 4 things and got a mod message telling me to cut it within a minute
 
I really hope so. This is getting annoying.
 
11:53 AM
Keep Calm and close posts :)
 
I am :)
@TheLostMind And thanks for all the fish ;)
 
Ah, the mind is here. Order has been restored
 
I am vegetarian :P
 
LOL
 
That's why I get all the fish :-P
 
11:54 AM
^^ - You are welcome :)
 
i am veg too
 
@JossieCalderon - You there?
 
@JossieCalderon - I invited to another room. I hope that you will accept my invitation :)
 
12:13 PM
@Tushar closed as a dupe
 
good
 
@devinb: But he is a moron, and adds nothing to the site. Would you trust his judgment on correct answers? — GEOCHET Sep 16 '09 at 17:34
That a rude comment?
Its from '09
 
It's rude, yes.
But old as shit
Also, hai!
 
@Magisch I would leave it alone. They may know each other and it was playful.
 
12:36 PM
@NathanOliver partly. (thats why I didn't VTC it)
 
@MadaraUchiha: Remember Samuel Jackson? With his odd definition of plagiarism, and other lawyer-like approaches to SO's rules?
He decided the zalgo answer is junk. xD
 
@SamuelJackson I took the liberty of removing your little stab at shizophrenic people. Thats entirely inappropiate for reasonable discourse. — Magisch 51 secs ago
I also answered that
But was immediately eclipsed by bolt's answer :p
 
Did you see his earlier meta posts?
He's... special :P
 
Yeah I'm pretty sure I answered or at least commented on the now deleted one
can'T verify though
 
Ah, you did indeed
<-- derp
 
12:43 PM
was it answer or comment?
 
@Cerbrus I think it was Shog who once said he wasn't fond of zalgo either. Regardless, it's still funny and probably the most famous SO post of all time (which is impressive in the land of Jon Skeet)
 
That answer is a lightly to moderatingly entertaining quib in an otherwise hardly relevant question. There are more relevant fish to fry, and people seem to like it a lot, so meh
 
It's an iconic answer on SO
 
not worth deleting or stripping of its content
 
@Magisch Be honest: haven't you ever wanted to rant like that when you see the same stupid question posted for the 15th time?
 
12:47 PM
@Machavity: It's the perfect close-as-dupe target
 
@Machavity yes, but I do that in my head, where nobody can hear all the curses I throw
 
@Cerbrus Same as this question: stackoverflow.com/q/5508110/3933332 :P
 
Closing a question as dupe of that is almost like saying: you suck! google harder :D, but then in a legal, non-offensive way :P
 
Btw @Cerbrus I was debating between a rude redflag and editing it out for that Q since insulting people with mental disorders is pretty far from OK here
 
edit was enough, imo
> That being said, I think this answer is absolute garbage and definitely lowers my expectations from stackoverflow solutions. Especially when it has remarks in it discouraging 'flagging'.
 
12:49 PM
@Cerbrus That's why I love it. It rebukes the question, but in a slightly mocking way that makes you read the whole thing and then think "I wonder how long it took him to type that?" It's one of the few times SO actually became an art form
 
The issue here is that the OP is taking SO waaaaay too seriously
 
I wonder what would have happened if he posted that on reddit :P
 
The take away lesson is that you need to read and understand what @Oded wrote. The rules are guidelines, and unless you deliberately and (almost maliciously) try to abuse them for justifying harming the site, you'll be fine just following them with some common sense. — Magisch 19 secs ago
@Magisch: That appears to be the issue. He lacks common sense.
 
@Cerbrus He reminds me of someone that I had a two and a half hour discussion with over my usage of the word "block" in a minecraft server rule context
 
You did what? o.O
"Can't place blocks here" -- "But a torch isn't a block!" Something like that, @Magisch?
 
12:56 PM
@Cerbrus I banned someone for griefing (deliberately destroying other's work) on a global banlist. They appealed citing my usage of the word "placing or destroying blocks or removing or inserting items" didn't cover torches and non-solid machines since "they werent blocks"
And I had a two and a half hour discussion with the dispute resolving team and him over that. In the end, his global ban was upheld
 
Appealed like a 12-year-old.
 
heads up talking about users
 
The destroyer of fun cometh again
Very well then, Petter.
 
*Grmbl*
Can we actually talk about non-SO users? Like the "12-y/o" that appealed the MC ban?
 
sorry...
 
1:01 PM
Oh, I'm not annoyed, :P
Just realized it may look like that
 
lets talk about the weather :P
 
The weather here is not so good.
 
@Yam No
 
Too sunny and too warm
I like cold darkness, with rain. Black skies, like my heart.
 
interesting...
 
1:03 PM
Icy cackling laughter
 
@Magisch Emo smiley
 
About black skies: I literally saw (part of) the milky way, last week.
Clear night sky, up in the mountains...
 
@Kyll Who says emo. I'm not unhappy about appreciating darkness and cold and rain.
 
Might be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen...
 
Should I flag question that miss a character as typo?
as in missing a ) or }, etc
 
1:05 PM
@AndrewL. If that's the whole problem, yea.
 
No cv-pls on phone, but: off topic & typo: stackoverflow.com/q/38975714/5647260
Thanks @Cerbrus
 
1:17 PM
I will just leave that and save my cv for something useful : )
 
closing it is useful :-)
 
haha
 
reopening - closing - reopening.
 
petter
 
1:19 PM
talking to me! : )
 
@Kyll I am contemplating a for Historical Locks; make the non-accepted answers editable under a HL. That would solve the last mod's reason for declining (HL would prevent users from editing answers to update links)
 
@PetterFriberg yeah
 
maybe just editable if you have 2k+ rep
 
listening
@TylerH Yea I agree they need to lock this kind of stuff, closing, reopening 2000 times just a waste of time (it is clearly POB)
 
Hey @PetterFriberg Are you a petter of many fluffly pets?
 
1:26 PM
@PetterFriberg Re-opening is a waste of effort.
 
@Magisch *heh, maybe, why not?"
 
Closing something that was wrongly re-opened isn't.
 
ok you convince me will throw a vote at it.... at least I can't cv next time it's reopen'd
 
lol
 
@Cerbrus closed
@TylerH now at 4 cv
 
1:29 PM
@PetterFriberg yay
 
!!/notify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
ok cya guys
 
@dorukayhan You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
@Cerbrus also because I saw Shog9 had reopen it ; )
 
Later cold
 
1:32 PM
@ColdFire Cya
 
Impending nuke strike by shog
 
This chat has been frozen
: ), it's a long time that I do not see shog9 around...
 
@Magisch \0/
@PetterFriberg 2/3 years ago...
 
if you keep saying his name he will come.
 
yeah we need some new drama...
 
1:35 PM
shog9 shog9 shog9
Wait that's beetlejuice
 
Heh, just misplaced my pinky on my keyboard and typed "okaystation" instead of "playstation"
much funnier name
 
@PetterFriberg I find I often disagree with his actions / decisions, actually.
 
I guess actually it was my ring finger misplaced
 
1:37 PM
@TylerH Is that what you get when they use substandard parts? It's just okay? ;)
 
@TylerH Still better than Mehbox
 
@Cerbrus I'm only convinced that he have other directions from SE then what he really would like to do.
 
Probably
 
@Cerbrus I do too a modest amount
 
He just seems to have "More users" on his mind, as opposed to "Better site".
 
1:39 PM
exactly!!!!, but I think he would like to have "better site"
 
Well, a little more nuanced, but you get the point
 
it just that the is a complex thing... a good site with no users?
 
A good site will attract users.
 
@Cerbrus read this comment thread.. some years ago... blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/07/the-hunting-of-the-snark/…
 
He just seems to have his priorities in a different place than I'd like to see them, with some decisions.
@PetterFriberg What am I looking for specifically?
 
1:43 PM
morning!
 
its Joel wanting a friendly site "Thank you" and shog other mods... wanting a "useful" site
aloha
 
Hiya gunr
 
@Cerbrus hence SE wants user to be happy and straw around, Shog9 ecc seems to be more concentrate on content...
and I think Shog9 needs to balance this... having happy users trying to have good content.
 
and also saying "y'all" and "..." in every meta post
 
I think its not fair to discuss a user (even if they're a CM) at lenght and scrutinize them in chat without giving them a means to respond.
 
1:48 PM
true
 
So, we can't say we disagree with some actions, without inviting the user?
Come on.
 
well, I'm going to go hit the godaddy list again today
 
We can, but discussing at lenght their shortcomings without giving them a means to respond feels unfair
Imagine you were shog, and you found this discussion
 
"at lenght"?
Hardly
We're just saying we don't agree with all of his choices. Big deal.
 
1:50 PM
@gunr2171 Are you going to seed the queue?
 
Let's put it this way: If I were a CM, and I'd find a discussion like this about me, I'd respond with: *Shrug*, "Can't please everyone."
 
I like people to tell me when they think I'm wrong
 
@NathanOliver Today i'm working on [godaddy] [mysql], editing the post or adding the first CV to it
 
@Magisch: As CM, that'd be a nightmare.
Because that'd be all you'll be responding to for the rest of the day, then.
 
@gunr2171 Cool. I'll go through the queue this afternoon again then. I ran out of them yesterday.
 
1:53 PM
While I'd love to know what Shog thinks of this, I hardly think it's necessary to bother him about this.
 
JAL
When you are looking for the Org-ASM Assembler and type orgasm into Google on your work computer -_-
 
Aloha JAL
 
JAL
hello! o/
 
@JAL should work great : )
 
yo JAL
 
JAL
1:57 PM
ha
 
@TylerH What other consequences would that have? Also, Plop =D
 
Hiya JAL. Have fun talking to HR later today ;)
 
JAL
@NathanOliver seriously ;)
 
Plop JAL! Happy to see ya
 
JAL
hello!
 
1:57 PM
my jands can type words
 
JAL
You guys play and good tf2 lately? Played a casual game last night, but have been getting back into CS:S gungame
 
Anyone up for TF2 Tuesday? It's been ages
oh boy
 
@Kyll I know that's a typo. I'm just afraid to ask what it was supposed to be...
 
JAL
working late most likely :/ trying to hit a deadline
 
@Kyll people could edit non-accepted answers on Historical Locks
that's the consequence
 
1:58 PM
@JAL What did @DEAD's line do to you?
 
so, users could suggest edits that are spammy on old popular questions, which is why I mused about suggesting the 2k requirement
 
JAL
ha
 
since 2k users are much less likely to spam edit
 
@TylerH Ooh, good idea
@gunr @NathanOliver TF2 tonight?
 
By the way, the question was closed again. Let's hope this time it stays that way
 
1:59 PM
\o/
 
@Cerbrus it was reopened? Let me edit then xd
 
@Kyll I'm down. I'll be home about 4pm central time
 
Literally asking for a tutorial.
 
25 people including a moderator have now closed that question...
 
Ans some moderators have re-opened it -.-
 
2:02 PM
@TylerH Two moderators
 
The regex Q?
 
Andrew Barber, when he was a diamond
Wait, are we still on that Node.JS one?
 
still / again
 
@Kyll who was the other moderator? I was including Andrew
it's been reopened by shog and adam but I only see one closer
 
@TylerH Oh yeah, right. Sorry for the confusion.
@NathanOliver \o/
@Machavity Up for any TF2 tonight?
 
2:05 PM
@Kyll I'll see if I'm around, not sure at the moment
 
K
 
@Kyll Will hafta see after work. Ironically I get home around the same time as Nathan
 
@Machavity Great, let's see from there then
And if y'all drop on us I'll just pocket Nathan and we'll steamroll Casual
 
@gunr2171 how's the new job?
 
@TylerH 80% less meetings, gunr is 160% more happy.
 
2:19 PM
@Rizier123 You want #2 as a dupe of #1?
 
Yes. #2 closed with #1
 
@Rizier123 Man the accepted answer is bad on that
 
2:47 PM
i build model kits :V
how's that for random >_>
 
@Compass I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
jeez this audit had so much pink on it once i passed i thought i failed it
 
pink?
 
like it was a deleted question so it had a pink background
 
ah
 
2:58 PM
@Compass You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 10 minutes and 25 seconds, averaging to a review every 15 seconds.
 
wakarimashta!
 
Can ya'll help me stress-test a thing?
Go load metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com about a dozen times
Thanks, done
 
np
 

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