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12:25 AM
@Undo We have the ear of so few mods. Closing 11 of 55 Pre-chosen close reason stuff in a batch is nice. But we are taking on serious water
 
Plop!
 
So I hesitate to care to put the 300 batch together for TheLostMind
Just sayin
I don't even program in and I can close vote that crap. What are the pre-reqs, downloading VIM for windows
So if a mod can look at the batch in the beehive lower left corner, click Pre-chosen
 
12:44 AM
I am actually getting very frustrated over an answer
what do I do?
Should i flag a mod to delete all my comments or something?
 
link?
 
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A: Type erasure return type conflict

KyleMYou get an error because your MyChild.getMyValue() method is defined as returning a type that extends B, but your MyParent.getMyValue() returns the type A which clearly does not extend B as you can see by the class definition for the class A. In your first example that you say "is working", it d...

honestly, i am being a shit but i'm quit frustrated and I think I am just tilted at this point
 
take some air
@iismathwizard Kyle did not have to help you on that one. Right or wrong. You guys just went into a sword fight
He could have just gone away and done something else. But he didnt
 
@Drew It seemed like he didn't even read the question, though
 
that is fine. But don't go hostile on him
 
12:57 AM
A combination of irrelevant points and continuing to not understand the question after I explained it a couple of different ways, made me frustrated.
It's also frustrating to see that he's a java developer, of sorts, and made an incorrect point originally.
 
I know. You are stuck at something. And you lash out
Like we all don't do it. You are not alone
 
@Drew yea :/ it's not like i was trying to ask about some freshman java class material. I showed this question to at least 6 different devs at my work and non of us know why it is the way it is.
sigh Should I call a mod to clean up after my shit?
 
nah
Hi Kyle thx
 
Hi
I do understand the question. It's no big deal.
 
can you and Math chat and clean up and unwind those comments please
 
1:02 AM
The point is that it's not appropriate to be rude whether or not you found my answer correct or helpful.
Also, the point about ClassCastException was to differentiate runtime exceptions from compile time exceptions. Clearly, it was confusing so I attempted to reword my answers in the comments.
 
Why did you bring up the classcastexception
when that was completely irrelevant to my issue?
 
It's not completely irrelevant; a ClassCastException is a subtype of RuntimeException
RuntimeException does not exist before the code is compiled.
Therefore, it has nothing to do with Generics.
That was what I was getting at.
 
I am not having issues with classcastexceptions
 
Clearly, it wasn't a good explanation.
 
my ide does not complain about classcastexceptions
my issue has a completely different message
a similar code example (my third example with the generic defined in the class signature, not the method signature) DOES work.
it is NOT a casting issue.
 
1:05 AM
Yes, it does work
Agreed, it is not a casting issue, because casting and generics are related but different.
 
Then what is the point of talking about classcastexception?
 
I'm not sure if you're trying to understand the issue or simply argue with someone who does
(It sounds like the latter)
 
I am attempting to understand the issue with defining the generic at the method level as opposed to the class level. that has been the question the whole time
feel free to answer that question instead of your own, fictitious question.
 
@AndrasDeak I don't think any part of that short tet-a-tet was offensive :-)
 
guys come on ... the insults can stop
 
1:07 AM
You never did "define the generics at the method level" in your first example. In your third example, you DID define generics at the class level.
 
If you actually did define generics in example #1 at the method level, you would not have gotten an error.
 
how about i edit my answer and remove the fucking first example so you can stop referencing that irrelevant fucking piece of code
Just look at the second example
and the third example
and explain that
 
Redefining the method definition in example number one as <T extends B> would solve the issue.
 
not the first fucking thing
....
that's the second example
what the fuck
@Drew im sorry but this isn't going to work.
 
1:09 AM
math, chill out
 
@Drew he's really not understanding.
 
math you have detach your emotions from this
 
Let's just agree to disagree. I would rather spend my time doing anything else. Like eating nails, or watching paint dry.
 
Math, maybe read the Java generics tutorial, read about inheritance and polymorphism
 
watching paint dry is nice. Just delete your comments to each other
 
1:10 AM
Then come back and tell someone with 7 years experience that they don't understand what they're doing.
Sorry all the devs at your work don't understand generics either.
Is that really my problem?
 
Dude, seriously go fuck yourself. Just because you don't understand the question doesn't mean you should go answer with your petty ass classcastexception bullshit.
 
Lol
 
You really don't understand this question, mate.
What is the fucking difference
 
math
 
between the second and third example in how type erasure works.
Answer that. That's all the question is asking for.
Is that summary good enough?
 
1:11 AM
math breathe
 
@Drew unfortunately, I still am breathing. Thank you
 
so respect a guy that tried
right now you are not respecting him
 
@Drew I respect he has tried. I don't respect that he, with "7 years of experience", won't accept he's wrong or doesn't understand.
 
so maybe it is a wrong answer. So move on
but you attack
 
@Drew ignorance is frustrating
 
1:13 AM
math you both have 3k rep
 
..and?
 
he ain't ignorant
so give him that. Say thank you but you don't seem to understand blah blah blah
 
I will admit he probably knows some development, sure. I'm sure he knows stuff that I don't but I do know he doesn't understand this question and it's frustrating he doesn't.
 
so what
 
*I don't think this is right, actually. The first example works perfectly fine as long as _a is set to new B(). Obviously, I'm not using MyChild and MyParent in my actual code, but I have had a couple of practical examples where I've done the first and it has worked fine.*

This, in my opinion, was a thank you but I don't think you understand.
 
1:15 AM
you have been toiling over this for a week and along comes him
what is he, your whipping boy?
 
i was toiling over this for half a day
but sure, i get the analogy/expression
 
so delete your shit comments to each other
 
I claimed I was being unfair and just wanted mods to come in and clean it up. Then he was brought in here but nothing changed.
 
then change it. Both of you. Be mature about it
 
I'm just flagging this and moving on with my day. Honestly a waste of fucking time.

@KyleM sorry for being an asshat to you. We can just agree to disagree and move on. Good luck in your future endeavours.
 
1:20 AM
Math, I don't know what your problem is. But to openly attack a person and swear. A guy that spent 30 minutes of his life on you. For better or worse. I don't get it
 
@Drew it's over with. Let's move on and worry about other, more important things
@Drew thank you for your good nature and trying to help. I appreciate it
 
Don't diss a person trying hard to solve a problem for you. Even if they are wrong in your mind.
Or in everyone's mind. Respect people
 
thanks @Drew for helping him.
@iismathwizard we try to be professional here. Please cool it with the excessive foul language.
 
@gunr2171 yup. Noted
 
I think you owe him an apology
 
1:33 AM
"@KyleM sorry for being an asshat to you. "
i already wrote one.
I am trying to drop the subject. Shall we?
 
dropped
 
Thank you
 
like it's hot
 
so now some of us will drop the issue into our java inbox and get back to you Math
 
1:36 AM
@drew sounds great. Might just delete the question since it has caused more trouble than it was worth. I wonder if programmers would be an appropriate place to ask. Thoughts?
or is that more theory.. hmm does this classify as more "theory" since it's a feature of a language?
 
hold on
wait a few days I add a bounty
@JarrodRoberson @Reimeus @Tunaki any opinions on stackoverflow.com/questions/36506798
 
@drew don't waste your rep. It's not worth it, honestly.
 
ah rep is meant to be spent
 
Then i'll spend my own. It's really not worth dumping rep over
 
1:51 AM
Undo has started reviewing!
 
Rob
2:50 AM
Wow. I've never seen someone be so abusive towards someone volunteering time to help them.
that's ridiculously self entitled.
 
3:15 AM
@ProgramFOX at@BrockAdams you guys are not doing enough. We need your support for real stuff
pathetic programfox
 
3:27 AM
@ProgramFOX why are you even an RO here when you don't even help people
 
Smokey dev?
 
@ProgramFOX I have endlessly given you batches to look at
You dont do shit
 
Rob
He's not a room owner: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/41570/so-close-vote-reviewers - and even if he was, no one is required to go through the batches
 
ho come on rob
 
You come on
 
Rob
3:32 AM
I don't like the fact that you directly insult people when they don't do exactly as you want. You have no idea if he's closing questions or not.
 
@closey commands
 
@JanDvorak Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean stats?
@JanDvorak Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
commands - Shows this list.
current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
 
come on guys get a grip
 
If I'm going to be insulted for not doing enough, I just won't be coming here.
 
i don't mind doing 42 hours a day for stack. I would ask others to do hald an hour
 
3:34 AM
Be glad I dump here the crap I stumble upon randomly. Should I just keep it to myself?
 
you want to be effective Jan?
 
Effective at what?
 
closing stuff
I dont see Rob present in the science web site closing stuff
We invited him
Anyone think they have the answer to this , speak up
 
@Drew I think it might be best for you to step away from the keyboard for a bit.
 
because what
 
3:39 AM
@Drew Insulting people because they aren't volunteering enough time just isn't a good idea
 
Because it's expected of chat members to be nice.
 
Rob
Because closing questions on SO is not a full time job. If people are doing other things, so be it. Being aggressive because we're not working 24 hours a day closing questions is ridiculous
We are all volunteers where, and most do it because they enjoy it. We are not forced to do anything.
 
When did I insult anyone Undo
 
23 mins ago, by Drew
pathetic programfox
 
I don't want to plan my life around this room's events. If I'm invited to a stroll through a park with a camera in my hands, I will anytime. Garbage is garbage no matter if it's on a closed dump or five meters behind your back.
 
3:41 AM
well there is that. I am sorry. He is pathetic
 
Picking up a random can and being shoved a pitchfork into my hands is just not nice.
 
I'm going to advise you drop this right now, and go take a walk or something.
I really don't want to take action in this room, especially with recent history, but there aren't any ROs around and you're coming pretty close to forcing my hand.
 
I am walking
We need to do more as a group;
I am sorry that I call out a certain person that is wrong
I get frustrated. I am sorry
 
Can't speak for anyone else, but I forgive you :)
 
I'm not saying I won't join an event. Forgiven.
 
3:51 AM
@Undo We need help in that batch. Not 10 but 50
You are from this room. We ask you
 
I'm sorry, but the more you try to push me into it, the less I'm willing to join. I also believe that applies to most.
 
We propped u up
 
@Drew , Dude. I chip in when I can but my time is limited and I ain't getting paid (or even much satisfaction).
 
@Drew by "u", do you mean "you"?
 
Jan I didnt even know I was asking anything of ypu
 
3:57 AM
How does either of those have any more responsibility than I do?
 
huh
I am asking nothing of you Jan
 
4:23 AM
What is the best way to flag this? If at all? stackoverflow.com/questions/36512687/…
 
Rob
@Signal It depends on how the accelerometer behaves.. there might be a definite answer to that, but I'm not sure
 
4:43 AM
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Q: nax tag should be deleted

Philip KirkbrideI suggested this tag in early 2013 but by late 2013 Nokia Ad exchange was abandoned. There is currently only a single question marked. Is there a way to flag a tag that should be deleted?

 
5:13 AM
I might go crazy, but in the last few hours a very similar question got asked multiple times. About not being able to access data submitted by a form in PHP. Maybe a mod can take a look at it, or maybe I just go crazy: stackoverflow.com/q/36512810 , stackoverflow.com/q/36512967 , stackoverflow.com/q/36512948 , stackoverflow.com/q/36512494 , stackoverflow.com/q/36512361
 
flag, then?
 
The questions vary just a bit from each other, but the writing style and everything else is always different, that's what confuses me so much.
I don't see any suspicious matches in usernames / profile pictures / writing style / grammar, or anything else. Just that this question, which per se is a bit weird, gets asked multiple times just in a similar form.
 
Perhaps it's a homework somewhere
 
That is also my only idea which I have. What caught my eye is that it is a very weird question and there is no real error in most of them.
I wrote a comment on one of the questions, if it is homework it would be pretty funny.
Everyone except one is a member since today, so maybe they just asked a homework question now.
 
5:33 AM
@Rizier123 And how did this answer get an upvote?
 
Nothing has an upvote there? Maybe the one who did it removed it.
 
@CindyMeister I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Rizier123 Must've. It was at +1 when I saw it.
 
One idea I just had is that they may want to create a voting ring or something like that, but then they would be really bad at doing this.
 
6:41 AM
The above two can also be closed as Off-topic by the way.
 
7:15 AM
^POB, one to go
 
7:59 AM
@KevinGuan Yeah ^
Plop everyone!
Although Quentin's answer on that last one is great
Got a Good Question on MSO for [design]
 
It was a well [design]ed burnination request indeed
 
I enjoy the almost complete lack of comments. Everyone seems to be like "Yep, this is right. Moooving on..."
Still alive... Wake up, people ded
 
8:18 AM
x_o ???
 
Woah, this is fishy
What is this product anyway? This question looks more like general computing than programming
 
All of the questions do
This answer really isn't OK stackoverflow.com/questions/36323946/…
 
Might want to open a BR for that tag then, using this process the tag completely misses the second criteria (scope).
 
Go ahead
 
This tag is actively harmful as it will only attract general computing questions rather than programming questions. it should burn.
Mh
 
8:41 AM
burn all the things?
 
This looks like a programming answer though: stackoverflow.com/a/36140841/4174897
Or this one: stackoverflow.com/a/35463223/4174897 (already handled the answer below...)
So yeah, maybe Maximo Anywhere has some kind of API. Questions about that would be on-topic.
Thing is, here's the link provided on http://www.maximoanywhere.info/ for the "full brief": http://c0309.paas2.tx.modxcloud.com/Maximo%20Anywhere (404)
... Their API reference is on blogspot?
Never mind, that's the reference of some person
There we go: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPJLC_7.6.0/com.ibm.si.mpl.doc/con‌​figure/t_configure_system.html
Let's check this then
 
> I can't find the information about [maximo anywhere]!
 
> IBM® Maximo Anywhere provides a set of resources for building and deploying mobile apps that integrate with IBM Maximo® Asset Management (Source)
So yeah, it's a dev tool. On-topic.
 
doesn't sound like programming from the description
 
Mh. Digging the ref a bit more.
So it's basically a mobile application development environment that seems to try to allow someone to make an application without writing any code but some XML configuration files. This answer suggests however that extending it with code is still possible.
So first, are code-free development environments on-topic on SO? Can I ask questions about a tool that allows me to create software without writing a single line of code, like a drag & drop UI to build a webpage or something similar?
@rene also yes
 
8:55 AM
@Kyll it could be but might also fly on webapps
 
@rene Well, if this kind of question is okay then there's no wondering if questions about are on-topic or not. I'm searching for a Meta post about that...
 
I think it is a grey area ....
 
@rene on-topoc -> on-topic (meta.stackoverflow.com/a/320718/4174897)
And OP seems to want to backup his code, not promote a tool if I read it correctly
 
Thx, fixed and expanded a bit
 
Also, writing "Quora" on Meta is asking for downvotes =p
 
9:01 AM
Yeah, I was wondering were that first dv came from. I guess Jeff is monitoring for that
 
stackoverflow.com/q/36512361/3933332 Since when can't we delete crap, only because it's a dupe?
 
@Rizier123 OP is engaging you personally. I suggest you immediately disengage
Oh, that was hours ago. Never mind.
 
First I would need to take his comments personal :P
 
@Rizier123 since Jeff invented dupe closing
 
@Rizier123 I don't think you can delete duplicate targets
You'd first need to remove the duplicate question, either by reopening it or deleting it
 
9:04 AM
Well the dupe is just the same: stackoverflow.com/q/36512494/3933332 but at the end Idc about the two questions from him
 
That (Your comment to BSMP) was unnecessary IMHO. Meh, moving on.
 
Same important as OP's comments: stackoverflow.com/questions/36512494/… ...
 
Yeah but OP is a 1-rep new user, you're a 45k covered in gold and wielding a hammer he does not understand in a system he's unfamiliar with, so that kind of reaction is to be expected
Providing the links what the right thing to do and you stayed professional, so kudos =p
 
9:26 AM
cv-pls ^
 
9:40 AM
@JanDvorak done
More a misguided user than a spammer then
 
@Kyll User removed from blacklist (5288725 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@TylerH I agree, of course. But if I had been around too, I might have got flagged twice:D So, respect for your attitude.
 
@Floern Commented
 
10:01 AM
@Floern Commented on new answer
 
@Kyll I see you like to write comments ;)
 
@Floern The idea is that if they ever want to improve, I'll be pinged and be able to help
 
@Kyll true.. although I never got any responses when I commented. The users just disappeared..
 
@Floern you scared them away you mean?
 
@rene I hope not :P
 
10:17 AM
Morning
I slept too long...
 
Morning
 
hey hey hey why can't I flag for spam?
only for mod attention
it got deleted meanwhile?
 
Rob
Yeah
 
oh, thank goodness:D
I thought this was some cruel joke:P
so...did the flag screen interfere with the "post deleted" curtain, or has that been removed?
 
?? @AndrasDeak
 
10:30 AM
@TheLostMind just a sec, I have a screenshot:)
 
Rob
@TheLostMind If a post is deleted between page load and loading the flag popup, your options are limited to only 'flag for moderator attention'
 
and yes, that ^
 
Rob
Which is confusing if you don't know why
 
10:31 AM
@AndrasDeak When you loaded the page, it wasn't deleted, but after connecting to the websocket, it was deleted, so you never got the its deletted message
 
Ah I see
 
@Ferrybig yeah, it doesn't help that I don't know how these web thingies work:P
I haven't seen it yet, is all
now I'll expect it and won't be surprised
thanks for the feedback, all:)
 
@Rob It happened to me in Triage when I was <3k. I'd think something is unsalvageable, so I'd try to flag and only get "spam" or "rude" or "mod attention". I got a couple flags declined that way.
 
that is spam, people ^
 
@Drew I'd say no, as it's some extra LaTeX code structure which might not be pure LaTeX. Could comment the OP to ask as well on tex though
 
Rob
10:48 AM
@Kyll Happened to me too, unfortunately
 
Sam
11:39 AM
Greetings fellow trash fighters.
 
0
Q: Burniate [unset] & [array-unset]

BanksySanThey seem like pretty useless tags. Should they be killed hard?

 
11:51 AM
@Drew This was most inappropriate of you. The matter has been settled but that's a last warning. Insulting people by saying they're not doing enough when they literally have the right to do nothing is not okay (especially when they are not doing nothing).
 
I'll edit
 
ty
 
@WaiHaLee Edited
 
Sam
@Clo status
 
11:55 AM
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version e3d9e096 on master, running for 7 days, 15 hours, 12 minutes, and 2 seconds (tracking latency 10054ms).
 
@Tushar thanks. :)
 
@Feeds Commented. That last BR is pretty bad if you consider Shog9's answer
 
@Kyll where is the auto-comment for your burniate comment? I can't find it anymore in the transcript
 
@rene It's in the repo actually. Also I like the sarcasm behind that typo.
 

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