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14:05
how many questions are in the queue?
@Tunaki says none
@Braiam does this count? I'm not sure how to get a count.
@WaiHaLee supposedly, in the tags question list there should be a badge with the number of active reviews and a link to review... I'm not seeing that on SO, so maybe is disabled here
@JarrodRoberson Were you looking for a Rickroll?
@Tunaki there are 27 that have 1 or more close votes on them
14:18
Er, 3 reopen votes? The provided code has a typo which would not cause the described error, thus a piece is missing as shown in the comments. If it's reopened I'll probably vtc it again
@Drew Magic™ Tag Review says there are 22 questions with 1..4 close votes. (Where did you see 27? Maybe we have a bug in the script?)
@Kyll even syntax highlighting is shouting that something's off
(which is why we need matlab syntax highlight, helloooo)
@Shadow and unsafe?
That's not a reason to close, is it
well, "unsafe" is not a close reason (gets off soap box)
14:22
@Kyll, the close/reopen rules say you are only allowed one close vote per question, regardless the number of close-cycles
@Shadow yeah, sure, I just noted:)
@Kyll, I'm afraid, you cannot :)
@AndrasDeak that guy's code is unsafe or the behavior he is trying to get is unsafe?
@JanGreve Darnit
Wait, I was ninja'd by Madara so I can still cast a close vote
@JanGreve "If it's reopened I'll probably vtc it" I think he means, "I vote to close so it becomes closed again". I don't think Kyll has CV'd twice on the post.
14:24
@cimmanon the code is unsafe
heck, this is one of a heck bug, links that ends in user.js are captured by greasymonkey and prevents the browser from opening another tab in chat
@gunr2171, right. He wants to vote for closeure as soon as it gets reopened. but as far as the description goes, that is not possible
@JanGreve why not? Has Kyll already CV'd the question?
at least that is what I read from 'Questions can go through multiple close and reopen cycles, but each individual user may cast at most one close and one reopen vote per question.'
@gunr2171 I did say "again" at the end of my sentence, hinting that I CV'ed, which I thought I did but Madara happened back then and I didn't
14:26
@Mogsdad as of 5 to 10 minutes ago here I was talking questions with a cv count. Not the queue. I don't use the queue
@JanGreve the thing is, that this individual has not casted a single close vote on that question
I think Kyll was intending to close vote on the initial closing of the question, but was too late and didn't get the vote in time
and 1 closed (the red one row 1)
Exactly, now let's stop talking about this because we're getting nowhere. Waffle party anyone?
/me makes a Kyll flavored waffle
14:27
waffles: the only snack officially supported by Shog9
waffles!
Anyone has the review for stackoverflow.com/q/35868379/4174897 still? I want to cast a nice "Stay closed" on it
@Kyll is not on the reopen queue
meh, best not to get on a rampage about one post
@Kyll, still ~200 to go ;)
14:29
unless your name is "Kyll Rampage", then that's fine
btw "user posted after being shown a quality ban warning"
@Braiam yeah, is that something new?
@gunr2171 exactly my point ;)
@gunr2171 It's been around for at least two months - I remember pointing it out when I was new to this room.
@Drew Magic tag review isn't the queue. My expectation was that Tiny's script was using the same API that you are - I'm just wondering why the different result, is all. (The actual queue is only a small subset of questions with close votes on them, anyway.)
14:30
oh wow, show's how much I look at the timeline
@cimmanon the code itself. I'm unfamiliar with the subject, but it seemed to me to be sending raw passwords all over the place:(
I assume any salting-hashing should've been done prior to sending stuff
but I might be wrong:)
@AndrasDeak i only glanced at the code and saw that he was blindly inserting POST data without sanitizing it.
oh, that too!:)
yup, you're right
just because the password is being sent directly to the database without hashing it doesnt necessarily mean the password is being stored in plaintext (though in this case, it probably is)
@cimmanon thanks!
14:44
meh, if it gets migrated it would be closed on meta just fine
almost called us slackers
does anyone else have a lot of tag-removals for 'fabric' today? seems annoying;)
... for the people liking the python tag, spammed by js-newbes:)
@Magisch I've just read you've got pneumonia as well. Anything else to add soon? Lyme's disease? Rabies?
get well...
@AndrasDeak classic influenza, pneumonia and tonsilitis are enough for now I think
I already feel like a glob of goo
flu too??
wtf man
immune system much?:)
14:49
Better reset firewall magisch
@Magisch, didn't you get your foot crushed last week?
@JanGreve yes
@Magisch, you seem to have rented bad luck.
@Magisch get better!
14:49
But thats not very debilitating. I only got a cast and some crutches
@JanGreve it worked out so well that he had to top it off with the plague
@Magisch, get well soon; gute besserung!:)
@AndrasDeak :)
the irony on this is of course that before that the last time I was even remotely ill was in 2013
The law of averages is catching up
@Magisch, so the three-stooges-effect did not work out?
14:51
fraid not'
Anything on Meta to kill the ?
Yeah just found it too. Deduplicator was already on that...
hello there
14:53
Plop @FᴀʀʜᴀɴAɴᴀᴍ!
Is this an answer, or a new question?
C'mon [helper] gives us gems like this stackoverflow.com/q/35870321/4099593
@Mogsdad the ending makes it sound like a question, but I think it's ok. sounds like "here is a solution, but I don't like it much"
@Mogsdad Both, I think.
14:55
nah.. never mind.. don't have any real business here. sorry to interrupt :)
@Mogsdad, both, indeed.
@FᴀʀʜᴀɴAɴᴀᴍ Everyone's welcome and free to hang around / discuss / participate =D
@FᴀʀʜᴀɴAɴᴀᴍ you didn't interrupt anything :)
(Also the C# people are lonely in here)
I can't insert my messages ahead of someone else. There is no interrupting here. (but man that would be awesome if I could do that)
@Kyll must, resist
14:56
@gunr2171
;)
@Adriaan Just seems out of place. The question is about html5, that answer is all jQuery, no html. It's kind of forum-y sounding.
People are still using C# these days? Wow.
@Mogsdad, I think it is, too.
Does anyone find any logic in this question: stackoverflow.com/q/35870484 ? Maybe I just don't see it.
14:58
@Rizier123 PHP, therefore no logic.
@JanGreve Well, never hurts to ask. I've posted a comment, and will follow up with them if they respond.
@Rizier123 looks like a cgnsrng-attempt.
@Rizier123 just answer with a big if for the 4 cases.
@Tunaki :D
14:59
Some details like "an error occured - Blame Shog for this" — Bhargav Rao 18 hours ago
@Tunaki, making me laught at work is even worse then teasing me ;)
lol
@Mogsdad I have no idea about the languages involved. As @gunr2171 said: "This is a quick and dirty solution but I don't like it"
@Rizier123 rofl
15:02
but if you're on the floor how are you typing?
inb4 Kyll tells me to shut up
embedded keyboard in his left hand
@gunr2171 wireless keyboard
coffee cup in his right hand
@Rizier123 all right. I'll go, smoke. have to burst in laughter.
Shut up, g.... crap he's RO. Find something find something find something good friend! =p
15:04
: )
_formatting *is [h](ard(
@Kyll Take a moment to read through the editing help in the help center. Formatting on $SITENAME$ is different than other sites. The better your post looks, the easier it will be for users to help you.
downvotes
> www.$siteurl$.com
I should totally buy that
Is it even a valid URL?
no, can't have "$" in the url
15:07
Aw
What is a valid url can be rather vague. I ran into a situation where a site (Java, Java Server Faces, woe is me) was working on one server and not on another. Eventually figured out that for that server internet explorer was refusing to accept cookies, silently. The ultimate cause: the sub-domain name had an underscore in it.
Of course SO was the saving grace.
sounds like we should start using regex to parse urls
@Gimby That's so much BS x)
@Kyll That's IE. It transcends BS.
15:20
@Gimby NT4 used to allow underscores in DNS, I had an entire month of pain due to this fact...
In IE's defense, it -is- against the specifications. The BS is all around, since most browsers silently accept it, and IE silently rejects it. Something like a console security error would have been nice.
Having errors and logs are for the weak.
True programmers™ don't need logs to understand what's wrong.
@gunr2171, no can do. 5 people including a boss in the room ;)
15:25
@Tunaki True programmers™, maybe. But Good programmers™ don't do anything wrong and cover every single edge-case without even trying.
Advice on this guys:
Please add code in the question. There's a snippet view for you, when you edit, press Ctrl + M. — Praveen Kumar 10 secs ago
You can also move in the code yourself (or I can do it)
OP did it
2k, doesn't know that code should be in the question...
JAL
JAL
C++/multiple inheritance folks: Is there a better way to name this question besides "Swift Inheritance: Super's Super" ? stackoverflow.com/q/35870781/2415822
15:29
Share a question here, my answer is downvoted -_- coincidence...
@TylerH When you share stuff you should expect judgement to happen o_o
The mob SOCVR effect is a fickle friend
What, the downvote-on-share one or the upvote-on-complain other? =p
@TylerH well you've got my thumbs up
@Kyll both :-P
15:32
Meh, it's not a mob effect. You point us to posts we weren't aware of. Of course we'll participate, and that means voting or commenting or editing or more...
I'm not calling it a mob effect
The mob is fickle is a common saying since antiquity
You're too slow ------------------v
Idli Dosa Vada Sambar
didn't even get a chance to load the page :(
@TylerH The q has 405 views... maybe, just maybe, someone not in this room downvoted your answer?
15:34
@Mogsdad yes, of course it's possible :-) My comment was lighthearted, as always
@Tunaki retroactive insult :(
@gunr2171 Same... :(
I bet that if @Tunaki didn't need to write that chat message, he was in time to gone the answer
But managed to flag...
@TylerH I know... I saw you smiling!
15:34
@Mogsdad It was likely the person I responded to in the comments above
This is sad.
LoL.
Fix the original problem. Don't use hackjobs. — Praveen Kumar 8 secs ago
I have no questions to review. That means I voted on the 27 (or 24). Do I need to seed more?
@PraveenKumar I know everyone wants to be enthusiastic about a post they find, just try to remember that everyone who writes a post is a human. Don't laugh at then behind their back.
@gunr2171 I know... :(
@gunr2171 LoL. What you said now, has backfired you. Ha ha. Check out the answer posted. :D
15:47
@Mogsdad true.
For the last CV:
This cannot be reproduceable without the WP running. Just with your HTML / CSS, this works fine. You need to show something that can be reproduced. — Praveen Kumar 1 min ago
@PraveenKumar I'm not saying I disagree with your "too broad" reason, I'm just commenting on the language you used.
@gunr2171 Just internally for us? Unable to update!
JAL
JAL
This bounty question bad enough for a mod flag? Seems to be asking for an off-site resource: Need sample codes for ZeroMQ for iOS
@PraveenKumar This is public.
15:48
"Tooooooooo broad. Awesome WTF Question" < that
@gunr2171 I know... Unable to edit now.
@PraveenKumar I know, just for future
@JAL Usually downvotes also work as a signal to the user: don't do that
@gunr2171 Sure. But now see, it attracts what answers!
'I have the head in the body'. how about above the body?;)
15:49
we can't prevent everything, nor is it our responsibility
Can users delete their own question, even if they have a bounty?
Nite!
Good night @kayess
@JanGreve LoL...
Sam
Sam
Night!
15:51
@Ferrybig Nopes.
Bonne nuit!
@Sam Where was the train?
Sam
Sam
@PraveenKumar It trashed into oblivion.
@kayess Good night
Didn't you see it? Wow. You missed... everything.
15:52
it was a train of 1
@Tunaki Sheeeeeesh!!!
@gunr2171 That doesn't qualify "train". :P
every message here is the start of a train
@Sam goes finding oblivion
afk
@gunr2171 #CrashTrain
Since burnination of tags requires community consensus, shouldn't creation of tags require community consensus also?
Sam
Sam
16:02
@PraveenKumar Have fun with that.
Cause I'm looking at the new created tags and they make no sense.
One is . Looks really useful.
looks darn useful also. Heck I'm killing this one right now.
Oh, how about ...
the fire burns bright in Tuna's eyes
@Tunaki, Maybe, the 'create tag' privilege should be upped in rep.
@JanGreve SO create tag is the highest network wide
1.5 k
@Braiam, but it is the oldest in the network. It is, +/- new things saturated.
I'm thinking the two processes should be aligned.
If 1 guy thinks a tag is worth creating, why can't 1 other guy decides it is worth burninating?
Conversely, if the community needs to agree to burn a tag, why shouldn't the community agree to create one?
@Mogsdad I posted a link to a close batch in campaigns
close as in the tag named close
@Tunaki well, because is the comfort zone and you BETTER GET OFF MY LAWN COMFORT ZONE
@Tunaki If there are few question, just edit it out... and it will be gone... : )...so I guess 1 guy can decide to burn... Are there any meta on how many question with tag to justify meta question for burniation.
16:23
I think @Tunaki that sometimes a tag cannot be known to be needed until it starts trending virally without any control.

I'd say closing should be voted, but opening should stay fairly unregulated.
meh, I think that balance should be achieved at any cost...
@PetterFriberg Thing is, there are a lot of new tags. 10k even have a special screen with newly created tags.
And everyday, the screen is filled with new tags.
You probably need some 10K just to check the tags and edit them out if they are crazy.... More work, more fun.... or just step on it and pack the dirt....
bye for today :)
16:37
Maybe just put another restriction of necessary amount of points again?
for new tags as in
@TheGeorgeL Or, the request to be made is to force tag creators to write a wiki.
I think that @Tunaki will scare folks off from asking actually relevant questions, which is the very last thing we want.
@Tunaki
You don't need to create a tag to ask a question
They might if it's a new technology without much support yet, or something?
How often does that happen? I know there are 7 JS frameworks created every minute but still :)
16:45
@Tunaki And 7 Java frameworks disappear each second due to inactivity =D
JS frameworks also need to have a totally undescriptive name or multiple have the same name
ha, true. I think I'm just thinking of in case the edge cases end up starting to become less edge through some shift in tech
> Giraffe.js - Handles middleware routing system (nicely used with Herd.js, avoid using Lions.jsx React templates with that)
lol
if you get me guys?
What on earth is the sidebar about? @all
16:52
Mwerf, I think too little 10kers actually even know that there is such a screen... Let alone going through it and moderating.
@TheGeorgeL Madness
Correction: Funny madness.
ok, good to know
Correction: Funny madness, according to criteria you do not want to know.
transiting towards home... cya later (not much sd today... so I managed to work some : )
17:00
Uploading myself to a different chair too. Afk.
Wow it takes you a long time to change chair. Network issues? Haven't you upgraded to using fiber?
Hmmm can I tell a computer's OS by pinging it?
@TylerH Probably not. Check out nmap.
sd remove edited
17:21
@Sam I put a c# batch up there
14 @ cv4
Not even lunch time and I've been called a Nazi already today for insisting someone put some code in their question
> "Who are you now? The editing police?"
@BhargavRao remove 2 :-D
\o/ it worked!
ty 2remove
17:25
wrong syntax, throwing you off the bridge of doom
why no
Your parser is wrong
my syntax is for HumanBot
HumanBot was destroyed. We discovered it had feelings.
shudders
Will there be a TF Tuesday today?
pp_
pp_
17:31
I certainly don't want to rake this up again, but I wonder if the sort of drama we saw yesterday occurs on a regular basis or if this was just bad luck? I came here to answer questions and help moderating, not to be involved in ugly arguments.
@Thaillie I'm game
@pp_ No, it doesn't. Keep doing what you came here to do.
I have a dedicated TF server now (finally :p)
17:46
How to deal with questions like these? Clearly off topic (should be moved to tex.se), but apparently back in the day this was cool to do
Well it is not hurting anything and it can't be migrated anymore. I would leave it alone and spend my effort on something else.
@Adriaan If you really care, get it closed as off topic
but really, that doesn't look like something worth burning CV on.
Thanks. Will do. I guess it should be CVed when it starts attracting new and bad answers?
user3956566
night all
Night o/
17:55
@Adriaan Yes. If it starts attracting activity then we can handle it. right now it isn't hurting anything and inactive so I would leave it alone.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Bye
@MartinJames I think there is a userscript to block questions from <$rep people

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