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2:00 PM
Magisch passed a audit!
 
Wow, so many audits.
 
@Magisch You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 6 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 12 minutes and 57 seconds, averaging to a review every 12 seconds.
 
6 audits today
Maybe because I was going a little faster then normal
so much trash in the CVs today
 
@KevinGuan it died.
 
@Magisch Can review 60 posts rather than 40 is cool huh? :P
 
2:04 PM
Meh
It could be 200 for every one of us in this chat and we still would barely make a dent
 
@Fred-ii- there appears to be a del vote on stackoverflow.com/questions/36112813
 
@Closey total reviews today
 
@Magisch Today, 11 members have reviewed a total of 573 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Ian                 | 60                 |
 | Wai Ha Lee          | 60                 |
 | Andras Deak         | 59                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 59                 |
 | sclv                | 59                 |
 | user2314737         | 59                 |
 | Magisch             | 58                 |
 | JAL                 | 57                 |
 | Mogsdad             | 57                 |
 
@Drew as does the answer given being a link-only answer. That should go. Update: It died. RIP
 
@Magisch Yeah. And I don't want review 60 per day anyway. I'd save a few close votes for other stuff you know.
 
2:19 PM
@KevinGuan you could vote "leave open" every now and then :P
 
ha
 
lol
 
I think when I did the queue I led the pack in leave open
 
@Drew I did 7 out of 60 yesterday, I think
 
7 leave open ?
I think I averaged 30 % or above on leave open. But I don't use the queue anymore
 
2:25 PM
@Drew Yes.
I'll hit the queues around 23:00 local time I think. Otherwise I'll be out of votes at breakfast again
 
Just got my Archaeologist badge ;)
 
Just found a few meta posts about the topic and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. meta.stackoverflow.com/q/283177/5299236 and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/258589.
 
2:40 PM
All I can say (without reading the above) is complete lack of effort very often closes as Too Broad. It is the way the community has adapted to dealing with it
 
But that's wrong. At least Shog said so.
 
Well that is too bad
 
> > In particular, questions that do not include an attempted solution are usually too broad.
> This is entirely incorrect.
> But many specific, answerable questions don't include attempted solutions because... There's nothing to attempt: either you know the answer or you don't. Indeed, this can be a hallmark of a properly-scoped question: have you managed to narrow it down to the one piece you don't know before asking?
From here
 
None of that matters. We need to close junk.
 
hum one user deleted twice and undeleted once on that question
 
2:43 PM
@IͶΔ link-only and NAA are correlated but independent things
some link-only are answers, and some NAA are not link-only
of course a lot of link-only are NAA
 
@Drew Define junk ?
 
Only after you define not junk
 
@Adriaan Huh? Let me check.
 
@KevinGuan one of the meta linked posts I meant, see here
 
Maybe if SO had a $1 paypal donation to the Red Cross for some questions, they wouldn't close as Too Broad
 
2:45 PM
@Drew Hmm...questions on-topic - not junk.
@Adriaan Oh, okay.
 
ok. So then mine is the opposite of whatever people consider to be not junk. Everyone has a different definition
I think that casino question was junk
 
Everyone has a different definition - totally agree.
 
Others might find it just interesting. Wanna curl up with a cup of tea reading it.
 
@Drew Let's not discuss that question anymore here, it has a relevant Meta so any comment should be there
 
Ok so close voters in a cv review room can't discuss close reasons
Let's talk about hats
 
2:48 PM
I meant that particular question. You can continue your discussion.
 
But wait, talk about hats is also a good idea right?
 
Maybe not. Hats are discussed on Meta.
 
only meta hats are
 
@Drew Anyway, I think that's why some people always vote to close questions like the one I voted to reopen as too broad, and others say that You shouldn't close them as too broad.
 
Which link are we talking about
 
2:52 PM
well, "too broad" is not a subcategory of on-topic
too broad is for junk on-topic questions, and gimme teh codez
 
^ which is why I didn't agree with his definition
 
@AndrasDeak Well, but not all the gimme teh codez questions are too broad.
> There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format.
 
@KevinGuan yes, I know, but we can't close them as anything else, making them probably de facto too broad
the other option would be a custom close message saying "SO is not a code writing service, come back when you've done something to solve your problem". But since this is in violation of the [be-nice] policy, we're left with too broad
 
I have no problem with tha being closed as Too Broad. Lack of effort
 
or rep whores actually answering
which nobody should want, save rep whores
 
2:55 PM
People that want to reopen it are often the ones that want to answer it
 
actually, these questions should be duped whenever possible, but that already generates too much work for the community
 
to me dupe closures are worse
harder to get buy-in for deletes
 
and some of them are so blatantly simple that there isn't a dupe target
@Drew yeah, I know, but at least that reason really applies
 
@AndrasDeak Well, here's a about something like it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/224098/…
 
it is harder to stick. People hem and haw about it
 
2:56 PM
the advantage of dupes is that, if you hold a hammer, you can close it instantly
 
yup
but we'd need 20 gold badgers in each tag to stand guard for all this inflow of basic crap
 
and, of course, this assumes the gold badgers want to close
 
@Tunaki Everyone should be a mod.
 
stuff doesn't close as dupes generally. We need worker bees that close vote for unclear, too broad, typo etc
20 golds won't be standing guard on much
 
yeah, I know
hence the conditional tense
or clause or whatever, I'm still not really good at grammar
 
2:59 PM
read: 20 golds willing to close. It makes it that much harder.
 
people moan about the dupe target. That is why dupe is bad
 
Ah, I better go sleep now. Cya tomorrow o/
 
@KevinGuan good night!
 
Night
You can't imagine the number of times a Q I hammered was questioned because the cat's color was somewhat different
 
btw I think that string one is too broad by Shog's measure
the string one says "I have this string, I want to get this string. What's in between?"
 
3:03 PM
Everything is in the "too many pieces". Define "too many". I'd vote as Too Broad also but that's just me.
 
yeah, I guess
it doesn't help that OP says
> Well I didnt come just because I was too lazy to think, I'm a freakin newbie in code and I can't figure out how to do that.
SO is not here to teach you to code
 
That can be edited out.
 
but I can't phrase it in a way that wouldn't merit a flag
@Tunaki it's a comment
 
Flag as too-chatty then.
 
not my point
 
3:04 PM
I don't think the question is very Too Broad. I think the readers of it got sick of yet another one like it
 
post was closed as too broad for lack of clear effort on OP's side
 
Maybe I should read the question again
 
^ and I have no problem with that. Others do.
 
and anyone who's done a single tutorial involving strings and python in general would be able to solve the problem
the problem is the basicness, I think
and I might have not voted to close as too broad, but I'd gladly leave it closed
it doesn't bring anything to the site
that said, we should probably get a dupe ready for when it gets reopened, 2 more votes needed for that
 
And 3 answers fly in
 
3:08 PM
added a comment with a suitable dupe
 
do we have a Python gold here? BhargavRao must be asleep.
 
note the comment on the suggested dupe:
How you tried? Can you show your code? — Marcin Mar 3 '15 at 3:01
 
question's deleted by the author btb
 
Well, all of that and the OP deleted
 
best symptom of the problem
waiting for the downvotes :D
 
3:10 PM
My guess is: the comment was enough for them
 
as in: LMGTFY
 
technically, the question was different also because the OP wanted to ignore case.
 
you should leave a comment about that on another post of OP:P
in case they reconsider
 
lol
 
yet another dupe failure
 
3:13 PM
I'd call it a success
 
a dupe threat causing a delete
 
exactly:D
that's a positive scenario
 
morning!
 
now hit up that too broad ajax one above from Fred if you agree
 
Hiya
 
3:16 PM
Finally...
24 hours of non-sleep...
Awesome... We just kinda made it.
 
@PraveenKumar 24hrs? man... you going to burn yourself out buddy :(
 
@Fred-ii- Man... Hackathon...
Check out my latest tweet for the video! :P
Funny one...
 
morning @gunr, sleep tight @Praveen:D
 
I am fresh!
:D
 
@Drew agreed
2 more votes left for today
 
3:18 PM
@PraveenKumar I see. I used to stay up for 24-30 hours before, but that is so hard on someone's health. Health is of the utmost importance and sleep buddy.. sleep.. ;)
 
Yes yes..
:) :)
Sure buddy...
 
;)
 
Will need to get the prizes and go home. LoL...
The prize will be a tee shirt only I guess...
 
@PraveenKumar The reason(s) I used to stay up for such long hours, was because I either had to fix a code problem on something I was working on and wanted it to run "now" lol or I just liked coding so much, that I couldn't get enough of it. My equilibrium I found, was to get back to playing guitar ;)
 
Ha ha ha.... I see.
 
3:22 PM
Plus, Spring is here too ;) and summer's just around corner.
 
and so is winter
with the weather we've been having in recent years
or should I say... Winter is coming
 
@AndrasDeak very weird weather. We had "lightning" and thunder in winter
 
3:44 PM
> You must also make sure that your iPhone is fully connected to the Mac
^ yes, that is an answer
 
@Tunaki ... edit in: switched on, powered up, a Mac is a computer, not an Hamburger.
 
@ArtjomB. rejected
 
@KirkBeard On questions like that where the OP doesn't have the informed badge I tend to leave a comment that links to the [tour] and How to Ask so those who are willing to learn have the chance.
 
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version e95004a4 on master, running for 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 42 seconds (tracking latency 494308ms).
 
3:54 PM
@rene Sure thing. Are there scripts people use for those comments?
 
yeah, auto comments, hold on
 
@KirkBeard [ask] and [tour]?
ask is definitely right
oh, you mean autocomment userscripts
sorry, I'm just babbling here
 
494308 ms --> 494 s --> 8 min, what?
 
yeah, I've just started using the [mvce] sort of thing more often, but some people seem to write detailed comments, and I don't particularly like spending too much time on it.
Thanks @rene
 
3:56 PM
yw
 
@Tunaki plausible
Closey missed my restarting the reviewing earlier today
she did respond and catch audits, but still
 
must be busy running around Smokey, again...
 
Don't disturb the couple with your reviewing, that's all ...
 
sd status
is that a thing?
it's not
 
!!/alive
 
4:03 PM
It would be nice if they took the same time
oh!
he's dead o.O
Closey is a black widow
or any other kind of arachnid
 
Note the backticks.
 
I didn't:(
thing is, they don't render too well
 
Change eyes.
:)
 
○.●
 
I initiated the close voting on a meta question this morning, and have taken some heat from one user about it. See comments. Am I misunderstanding the rules of duplicate-closure?
 
4:15 PM
leaving one comment and then I'm off
 
heeey
how much is the grace period for posting after closing?
 
5
 
this question got an answer almost an hour after being closed (don't consider the answer, we're already talking to the author)
 
@Mogsdad comment left
 
@Mogsdad regardless of it being accepted or not, would an answer there on target suffice?
 
4:19 PM
@Drew As I understand it, yes, but only if an answer has a positive score. So, a zero-score accepted answer is OK, and so is a positive-scored unaccepted answer.
 
@Mogsdad maybe that user is right, but I wonder what answer they would write that will fit only on the source question and not on the dup target...
 
@Drew Or do you mean does one of those answers actually answer the new question?
 
yeah the latter. If that is even necessary ^
 
The OP is arguing that the 3 answers don't answer the question, which may or may not be right. The fact remains, it is a dupe.
 
Right. Is it necessary that one does
 
4:21 PM
It is the question that is the duplicate. Whether the answers are on-mark, good, great, or crap is immaterial, I thought.
 
Well imagine the trail of nebulous Q&A then. Just saying
 
Although the duplicate message when closed says "This question already has an answer here".
 
It has 3.
Whether they are right or wrong is irrelevant.
 
This seems to reflect that. And Shog agrees.
 
if it boils down to looking for an answer that's already been provided for a similar question
 
4:25 PM
And this. "The answers have nothing to do with this determination."
 
@Mogsdad The above two are quite different. I would shoot for #2
 
OP responded. I'm not going further.
 
The FAQ to the rescue: meta.stackexchange.com/a/10844/206345 _Questions may be duplicates if they have the same (potential) answers. _ I think I'm on solid ground.
 
Hi all, Bit busy at the moment. But saw this atop the NATO stackoverflow.com/a/36116363/4099593
 
I did not intend that we gang up, so my response is at them "et al." Hopefully that will defuse things, but underlines why we have the "one room member responds" rule.
 
4:37 PM
Thanks. Will brb, In the finals of a Hackathon \o/
 
Heck didn't refresh in 30 minutes :s
 
Bye
 
@BhargavRao VLQ at most, unfortunately. Wrong, but an answer.
 
@Reimeus in the future, remember to tag it [tag:cv-pls] and add a reason ;)
 
hmm, k...
 
@Reimeus thx for the few votes in ... those guys are rather desperate
Not that I understand 10% of the questions
 
5:26 PM
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Please do.
 
@Drew np
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
shame on Tunaki for reviewing this late in the day:P
 
noticed my close vote quota seems to have risen to 60...or am I wrong?
 
5:31 PM
@Reimeus Yes, there's an on-going test to decide if having more close votes is a good idea to tackle the Close Vote Queue. See here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319131/…
 
Plop!
 
oic
 
Hiya @Kyll
 
Yay more blue gravatars, let the confusion flow
 
I'm doing all I can
 
5:41 PM
Didn't you read the new rule? Users with a non-blue gravatar aren't welcome anymore.
 
Tunaki passed an audit!
 
@Tunaki we're glad to have you on the team:P
 
Oh but it seems it just changed. We're okay now.
 
the rule?
 
@Tunaki You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 4 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 20 minutes and 3 seconds, averaging to a review every 20 seconds.
 
5:47 PM
Ah yes I did. The last was an audit btw.
@Closey reviews today
 
@AndrasDeak Sure. How do guys flag LO's?
 
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that. Maybe you meant reviews today <details>.
 
@Clo yes
 
@IͶΔ depends on the context
 
As NAA or VLQ or both?
 
5:47 PM
@Tunaki You've reviewed 58 posts today (of which 4 were audits). The time between your first and last review today was 20 minutes and 4 seconds, averaging to a review every 20 seconds.
 
if it has information without link markdown (such as a verbose link to documentation, or maybe even wikipedia), then VLQ
if it's completely unhelpful without being a link, e.g. a pastebin link or something, then NAA
and anyway it's strongly ambiguous, and flagging as either is a gamble
I think this is the rule of thumb
 
Personally I flag link-only as VLQ. But I think those 2 should be merged anyway meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318952/…
 
but as it's a gamble, I honestly don't pay too much attention, Tunaki can verify
I mean verify if what I wrote makes sense, not that I don't pay attention
though he could verify that as well
 
The only real difference between the two is what happens after an edit: for VLQ, the flag is always helpful, for NAA, it is only helpful is the edit came from the VLQRQ.
Since link-only are generally best edited by the OP themselves and not by reviewers, I flag as VLQ so that when they do edit, the flag is considered helpful.
 
Sam
6:07 PM
@Tunaki Has to be a reply. Also, it only works if the suggestion message ends with a question mark.
 
@Kyll I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Kyll passed a audit!
 
Seeing PHP code when reviewing ...
 
audit?:P
 
@Tunaki Close -> Author amount of badges screwed up the layout
 
6:16 PM
@Tunaki lol, Martijn as LQP candidate:D
 
@KevinGuan Been using magic in me tags heh?
@Closey next 10 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Kyll The next 10 tags are: 1337, 1336, 37, 32, 29, 27, 25, 25, 24, 24
 
Lol, who gave the "currently being burninated" number?
Not that I mind
 
@Kyll blame @Drew
but I edited it in
 
@rene I can totally do that
 
6:25 PM
something with focus
 
Why was this in the review queue..? Did it get flagged?
I just realized I asked OP to edit a 5 years old question >.>
 
@Kyll probably, maybe @kayess did in his flagging effort to fill the CVQ?
 
@Kyll someone flagged it for closure as "unclear what you're asking"
 
@JonClements Okay, thanks =D
 
Not everybody is yet aware of the don't touch old stuff to much
 
6:32 PM
@rene I'll note it wasn't Kayess though
 
The VLQRQ is frightening. Robo recommend deletion are everywhere stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/11703113
 
@JonClements I thought so, thx, be careful with what you share ;)
 
@Tunaki Looks like it could use an edit
@JonClements AH-HA! We have some data! We can figure out by elimination who raised the flag now!
 
indeed... one name eliminated - several hundred thousand to go - have fun :p
2
 
@JonClements innocently So who else wasn't it then?
 
6:36 PM
It is simple, we start at user 1: Was it Jeff Atwood?
 
@rene Nope, he has binding flags. Who's user 2 then?
 
good point ...
 
Still a diamond and binding flags.
 
@Ferrybig I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
And again! It would be nice to be able to notify flaggers, give them feedback from the queue
 
6:44 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
sure closey
 
@rene where is this "don't touch old stuff too much" rule?
 
@Kyll "and again"? huh?
 
I think it's unwritten
and more like a suggestion
as in "if it get closed, people will start crying on meta leading to a close-reopen war"?:P
 
@sclv it is a bit of our common sense here and a mantra used by meta followers that yell at us when we close or delete old stuff
 
6:46 PM
of course old off-topic upvoted stuff are even worse than old unanswered off-topic stuff
 
@JonClements I thought this was another instance of flag on old post. Noticing the amount of reviews vs the amount of CVs cast, I may be wrong. Going to blame my low consumption of coffee today
 
@Kyll nope - no flags - I'm taking a stab that an aged away close vote on it caused that
 
!!/coffee
 
@rene brews coffee for @rene
 
> I kept getting more and more errors in my compiler
 
6:48 PM
@Kyll have mine coffee
 
@AndrasDeak Not really. It's just that there's too much to be taken care of, so we just - oooh thanks rene - take care of active stuff
@rene \o/
 
oh right, this applies to old off-topic upvoted stuff, not e.g. unanswered junk, and it applies to socvr efforts, not in general?
 
@sclv Sorta yeah
Also I like your avatar
Old unanswered and inactive and not attractive (view count) posts are deleted as RemoveAbandonedQuestions anyway
 
@sclv I'm pondering on a meta question to get the final verdict on that from the community but the SOCVR feels that it is more important to moderate the new stuff instead of the years old stuff. In the hope that new users will pick up something from our active moderation and become better posters them self
 
As for SOCVR specifically, it's also because we have a very limited number of votes to cast so one better makes it count
 
6:52 PM
this all makes sense, thx
 
yw
 
Glad to help
This should be in the FAQ or guidelines somewhere though.
When suddenly, r code!
 
Kyll passed an audit!
 
afk
 
7:13 PM
Hi again o/
 
hiya \o
 
hey
 
Hiya @toskv and @BhargavRao
 
Got second prize in Hackathon \o/ .... 500$ <-- Prize Amount
 
hey Tunaki, how's it going?
 
7:15 PM
@BhargavRao Woot congrats!
 
Thanks!
 
@BhargavRao congratulations!:)
totally worth not sleeping:P
what was the language?
 
@AndrasDeak Thanks. Seriously, 2 days, 500$ is like insane (at least for me) :P
 
I did the Data Extraction module, in R language. The other parts were in Python.
 
7:17 PM
aww, I was hoping for python
 
There you go :D
 
I was going to say "@Tunaki, do java people do well at hackathons?" ;)
 
After a very long pause, Yes, In Java only hackathons :P
 
Of course. import java.lang.hackathon. And that's basically it.
 
7:19 PM
Then the system crashes
 
yep just voted on that one
 
7:54 PM
would it be worth editing this old and highly-upvoted NAA to include essential parts of the answer?
 

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