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12:03 AM
@Tunaki
How can we deal with this and the answer output not what the OP expect
 
Sam
12:25 AM
 
12:36 AM
@Sami Why do you think it needs dealing with?
 
 
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2:34 AM
Sleeping. Stoopid hooman custom.
 
@Kyll I'm pretty sure squirels also sleep as all higher animals. It is no custom, but a biological necessity. It seems to include some kind of garbage collection and re-organising. Quite comparable to large software systems.
he said and went to bed - Good night!
 
3:29 AM
> Tushar [~invincibl@117.201.53.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
:o!
 
Who's that?
 
Dunno
@Tushar Your imposter!
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
That poast has a page and a half worth of bounties in the revision history
 
user3956566
4:02 AM
@TinyGiant good idea, I didn't realise it was being bountied so much. I wish they would do something. I will email Tim Post myself at some point. I know him.
 
user4639281
@YvetteColomb It was gnat's idea for the bounties, I just be offrin repz
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant yep I know. But it's Tim Post's post lol
 
user4639281
I'm confused, I was responding to "good idea"
 
@Olaf I'll meditate about it once I'm done with work >.>
 
4:11 AM
Oh....I fell for that...
.-.
 
user4639281
haha
 
Well played sir.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant you edited your comment lol
 
user3956566
I'm not clicking on that dirty rick link
 
user4639281
@YvetteColomb what comment?
 
user3956566
4:12 AM
> It was gnat's idea for the bounties, I just be offrin repz
 
user3956566
I thought you meant it was gnats post
 
user3956566
in the comment there before you edited it, and now I can't even remember what you wrote lol
 
user4639281
Well, I first wrote "it was gnarts", then accidentally hit the enter key, then I edited it, then you said what you said.
 
user4639281
jes
 
sorry
 
user3956566
4:19 AM
@TinyGiant unstar that abomination ;)
 
Am I the only one in the world who doesn't know what a Rick Roll is?
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström count yourself lucky
 
user3956566
It's when an evil doer in here (I've been known to do it myself) gets an innocent bystander to click on a link to the Rick Astley video "Never Gonna Give you UP"
 
@YvetteColomb Oh, I do. I didn't say I wanted to know. :-)
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström lol, then don't read the line under your ping!
 
user3956566
4:23 AM
don't read ahead man!! stop!
 
@YvetteColomb Too late! Nooo, I can't unlearn it!
 
user3956566
Arrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh
2
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström quick this has a hypnotic method to help you forget
2
 
user4639281
rick roll ^^
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant you are not allowed to use your script with urls for evil evil - preventing the evil of rick rolls.. which is good, but it's an evil use of good
 
user3956566
4:28 AM
someone else can click on those links ^^
 
user4639281
well, the second one is a link to a game that doesn't work, first one's clickbait score is too low to interest me.
 
@YvetteColomb Not falling for that old trick. I'm ignoring your messages from now on.
 
On April fools day, change all Smokey and Queen links to "Never gonna give you up"
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström :/ sniff
 
user4639281
Oh, it doesn't work because I have an ad blocker
 
4:31 AM
I don't usually say this, but somehow Fox News being on the list makes it even better. — Alexander O'Mara 11 hours ago
:D
 
@AndrewLi That'll have to wait for 2018.
 
@Kyll why?
 
@AndrewLi Funny thing is though, apparently Fox News ran a bogus news story that may have started it.
@SmokeDetector Uh, those are the same? Oh, different by www.
 
No mcve ^
@AlexanderO'Mara oh the irony
Kinda expected though
 
4:50 AM
Hello, and goodbye (for a few days). I'm down with tonsilitis and bronchitis, just wanted to let you know, my attendance will be scarce for the next couple days.
 
@Magisch Hope you're all good
 
@NisseEngström Did you see what the OP need?
 
user4639281
@Magisch get well
 
@AndrewLi o/
 
 
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5:59 AM
@Sami Yes.
 
No way to do what he want
NAA
 
Rob
6:15 AM
Flag it, no need to post here
 
Done
 
@Sami And what do you want to do about it? Sometimes, the answer is "No, but here's what you can do instead".
 
@NisseEngström I dont know , So I ask
We can't learn and know new things without asking :)
 
@Drew another one for you ^^
 
6:53 AM
@QPaysTaxes yes, 15 rep is the minimum since a couple of months.
 
@SmokeDetector That user is gone.
 
@QPaysTaxes IDK, I 'only' have a MSc in Mathematics and I'm still faring pretty well.
 
depends on your scale, too. To the question "any degree vs no degree" I'd say "go for it"; for "this degree over that degree" I'd generally say it doesn't matter much, unless you're shooting for a job where that degree (florist? bartender?) is absolutely no use
and higher != better -- if you want a qualified job, a Master's is probably okay, but definitely overkill if you just want to swap hard drives
if circular argumentation is okay here, where the requirement is a Master's
with a Master's you demonstrate academic skills which are conventionally required for anything where you need to plan other people's work, as a first rough cut of articulating a common sense translation
or research, obviously
but in today's white-collar industry, which work doesn't involve at least some occasional amounts of research?
 
user4639281
 
phrased differently, "give it five years and see if I like it" then maybe go for a Bachelor's for now; "I definitely think I want to do this for the rest of my life" then a Master's, and possibly beyond
@QPaysTaxes something like that, yeah
 
7:46 AM
Good morning \o/
 
8:04 AM
Hiya
 
the feeling when you are 5th cv person
whatsup petter?
 
not much, working and check NATO some... ; ) as usual
Time do do some c# stuff...
 
c# nice
 
meeh I prefer java, I hate visual studio...
 
8:07 AM
hehe never used VS
 
but I have no choice... need to dev a dll.
 
i see
i would love a language without NPE
 
@ColdFire try assembler.
 
@Glorfindel well a high level without NPE
 
Objective C has no NPE's: you can just call a method on an object that's nil; you just get nil back. Makes you wonder why a certain label is not showing and you see no error in the console.
So that's not ideal either.
Crashes are good, unless they happen on the live environment.
 
8:12 AM
My path to learn Python/Django attracting poo.(there is a new answer)
 
@Glorfindel exactly my point
they happen on the live environment
because apparently out of 1k variable you forget to check 1 variable somewhere and that caused a crash :/
 
null (nil) is not a problem, problem are languages that don't have nice infrastructure for dealing with such values. Swift is pretty good at it :)
 
@DalijaPrasnikar - How does swift handle null / nil values?
 
@TheLostMind same question here
i think it has optional
 
@ColdFire - So does Java, but the whole point is can people still call some method on a null value?) :)
 
8:21 AM
i think so
@TheLostMind that is java 8:/
i am using java 7
 
@ColdFire - No, Optional doesn't prevent NPEs :)
 
in java or swift
i was talking about swift not java
 
I can create a NPE if I use bad coding practices.. In Java :)
 
But that leads to other problems: you expect to see a value somewhere in your screen, but it doesn't and you see no error. Turns out that valueLabel.text = 100; was called, but valueLabel wasn't set.
 
Swift Optionals take dealing with nil to another level... of course you can end up crashing your code because of nil... but you really have to write some bad code to do so...
 
8:23 AM
@Glorfindel - failing silently will cause more problems than failing with a bang :)
 
Exactly.
One more reason not to write banking applications in Swift.
 
First, you can have variables that are declared as non-optional - they cannot be nil at all - yo have compiler time error
 
Do we like to edit this some stackoverflow.com/questions/745933/…, or leave the colorful language in it?
 
Next, there is number of ways to test and check for nil in optional values... and even Objective-C style do nothing if there is nil involved...
 
@DalijaPrasnikar - So you mean to say that you "almost" always have a non-null value associated with a field. So, it can never cause NPEs right?
 
8:26 AM
looks like it
 
@TheLostMind if variable is declared as non optional it must be initialized with some value and you can never assign nil to it.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar - I see. What if I read an object from a List and try to call a method on it. Can I say that the List cannot have nil values?
 
@TheLostMind if you declare that your list cannot hold nil values then you will never have nil inside
 
@DalijaPrasnikar what if somehow a value nil is added to it at runtime
then what happens
 
@DalijaPrasnikar - Interesting. Kinda inflexible though IMO
 
8:31 AM
if somehow does not exist...
 
What about composed objects? A has b, b has c and you need to say c cannot be nil for this particular instance of A :P
 
the same... if you say something cannot be nil, then you will not be able to assign nil to it...
 
I see. Tx :)
 
point is that you can work with nil values when you need to, but you can also put strict requirements around code where you must never ever have nil
 
TBH with good programming practices, we can prevent NPEs in Java too. Also, "findbugs" and similar tools do that.
 
8:37 AM
"unexpectedly found nil while unwrapping an Optional values" is equivalent of Java NPE and there are plenty of newbie questions about those... so...
 
meh, not a day goes by when you don't see a NPE question in Java :P
 
yes
 
Yeah... it is really a bummer if you have valid NPE question and it is drowned in all blah ones
 
i once had a unexpected NPE took quite a while to figure that out
 
Hiya
 
8:42 AM
OlO
 
Hiya
without stacktrace that is
 
and those dull moments when you do have stacktrace, but still cannot figure out what is going on ;-)
 
@DalijaPrasnikar - Yes.. Sometimes, the question is "why a particular api is returning null" .. Yet, people jump to conclusions too quickly and close it as a dupe of the canonical
 
@TheLostMind yep, that is the problem, both things...
 
8:48 AM
There are a couple of highly upvoted questions on the verge of being deleted: what to do with them: 1 2 3
 
@DalijaPrasnikar - sadly, yes
@Tunaki - soft deletes are bad, oh wait...
Also, I don't like deleting old opinion based posts
So, you are free to cast your vote if you think that they are usless (IMO, they aren't) :)
 
i suggest locking those
 
@ColdFire - I was thinking the same.. Unless Tuna decides to del-vote those
 
well you can always undelete
MODPOWER
 
I don't think they should die. Not sure about locking either... Closed and left as-is would be nice...
 
8:54 AM
well that is if users left it as it is
 
Anyways its not going to remove the rep from old answers. So its just fine!
But without locking em. someone might just decide to cast a del-vote.. annnnddd
 
that is what i said above
 
@ColdFire - Didn't see :)
 
ok
@TheLostMind i have a multi process app and since android doesnt support multi process exception we dont get the stack trace when it crash , so it quite irritating to get NPE then
 
@DalijaPrasnikar That cannot be deleted right now.
 
9:02 AM
@ColdFire - Lol. You could do an internal HTTP POST from the process that crashed and POST the stack trace
 
@TheLostMind and how do you do that?
 
Unless you have no control over the second process (in which case, you shouldn't expect ST from it :P)
 
i have resolved that error
i just mentioned something old to you
 
Then why didn't you detect stackoverflow.com/posts/40457527/revisions, smokey?
 
9:11 AM
Hiya
 
o/
 
@Tunaki close the post as no longer repro'able
Q: Where is the repo? A: I'll put it back tomo
 
@Tunaki right... I missed that...
 
9:34 AM
> ... because when we lick it, it saves old .....
Dat typo :D
 
:)
 
@Tunaki Wut
 
@MDXF Yes?
 
@Tunaki What does that mean
@Tunaki You've said seemingly meaningless stuff a few times now
@Tunaki "sd k" "sd f"
 
Am I known to say things that make sense?
 
9:40 AM
@Tunaki no, not really :)
 
I don't even know what this is stackoverflow.com/questions/40970775/…
Spam?
 
:D
@MDXF just a terrible question
 
True
 
If you wanna retract your spam flag, too bad ... it's too late.
 
Okay apparently it's missing MCVE
Yeah I noticed
It looked like spama
*spam
 
9:44 AM
That's not the right way to request a Cv
See our rules here socvr.org
 
@MDXF please use the correct formatting socvr.org/…
 
10:09 AM
@PraveenKumar I would just let roomba handle that... if you delete it within a few minutes... OP wlil not even have time to understand what hit'em
 
@PetterFriberg I thought users could always see their own deleted questions
 
@SamuelLiew if they have a link to them.
 
I saw a meta about it the other day... maybe not the best thing to delete it immediately...
 
I'd let it roomba yeah
 
OP should have at least the time to read the close reason and try to understand something about SO.... if it gets deleted, he/she probably only gets more confused.
and if we are unlucky the just repost :D
 
10:16 AM
There is a recently deleted questions link under one's question list, is this a 10k only privilege?
 
@SamuelLiew no, it isn't. But try to tell a new user how to find that link ... Especially if there's no other way to contact the user.
 
@Glorfindel True :)
 
o/
 
\o
 
10:21 AM
lo
 
@SamuelLiew With emphasis on recently. They're only visible there for a while (60 days?). You have to bookmark your deleted posts if you intend to revisit them.
 
@NisseEngström Yes, that should be more than enough to allow users to see where their question went if they actually bother to find it on their profile
 
@NisseEngström with 10K you can search for'em..
 
@SamuelLiew In a few months you'll be able to see all of them :P
 
10:28 AM
@SamuelLiew Nope. It wasn't enough for me. :-(
 
@BhargavRao Already preparing for the follow up mods :)
 
Yep :D
 
hey guys, just wanted to know where the main SO chat room is, I didn't see it on the active chats
 
@Skyler What do you mean by that?
 
10:38 AM
SO doesn't have a main room
 
@Skyler in terms of importance, this is the main room.
 
There is no main room
 
@JanDvorak cc--cc-combo breaker
 
Pssst, the lounge?
 
every other SE site I use has it so im a bit surprised
 
10:39 AM
Hey don't compare SO with tiny sites. :P
 
@Skyler ?
 
so no general chat
@BhargavRao how big is SO compared to the rest?
 
@BhargavRao This guy is basically claiming SO has the login security of a small site.
 
Yeah, SO is a bit different, the chat rooms are "'thing" specific, not general. This room focuses on moderation activity.
 
He's claiming SO is open to brute-force attacks.
 
10:40 AM
@Skyler general chat?
 
@Sami the site
 
If you want general chat then you should go to this room
 
@Sami how about no?
 
@Sami That can't possibly be a mature chatroom.
 
10:43 AM
lol
 
@Cerbrus looks like they need to lurk in sec.se :D
 
hmm...kinda just looking to lurk in a room and occasionally mull over a bit of html tonight
 
(The code he has isn't enough to reproduce the issue)
 
@PraveenKumar what?
 
@Sami What what?
 
10:54 AM
Nothing
 
Nothing
 
11:06 AM
afk
 
Comment of the day, on a (too broad) Android programming question:
use meta stackoverflow for that discussion please, this is not for this discussion. — piyush 3 hours ago
 
 
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12:10 PM
@SamuelLiew Hmm. I see four post, none of which are currently deleted.
 
12:38 PM
MOrning
 
Afternoon
Bye.
 
@NathanOliver AFternoon
 
@NathanOliver EVening
@DalijaPrasnikar roomba?
 
12:55 PM
@BhargavRao if OP accepts answer, no roomba
 
Ah, Gotcha
Huh, What's this new one? ---^
 
1:14 PM
^ That was a bad edit IMHO
 
@NathanOliver yeah, a really bad one. It managed to break the only things that weren't broken in that post.
 
Look at the review stats of that guy: 87 approved vs. 1 rejected ...
 
I mean, it's easier to approve 1 and reject 87 randomly chosen suggested edits.
 
1:20 PM
Not really. Approve is one click, reject is two.
 
morning!
@NathanOliver got snow
 
Hiya gunr
 
Okay, the last report was spam
 
@gunr2171 Woot. It's not just me. We got about 6" ltotal
 
1:30 PM
I'll measure what we have when I go to clean off my car
 
We've had winter for a while already, but it keeps dipping just above 0C and then down again so it's more ice than snow :/
 
Woot, it's 15°C here.
I wish I had snow :(
 
It's 30°C here
 
If @gunr2171 doesn't return soon we assume there was 2 meter of snow ...
 
1:32 PM
I've 13 days of snowboard already, you're obviously not far enough north :)
 
so far it's like a few CMs at the most
 
@rene More like he was called away for an emergency meeting about the snow
 
a few CMs?
 
@gunr2171 all that drama for a few Community Managers?
 
What kind of weird American unit is that
 
1:33 PM
just writed that ----------------------------------^^^^
 
yes, shog and bluefeet are currently falling on my lawn.
 
and you have a floating hairboat to get across them
 
At least it isn't cats and dogs ...
 
so @BhargavRao, how's mod life?
 
Damn easy. Same as before but with moar powers
 
1:42 PM
well then you're the right person for the job
 
Thanks :D
 
^ The existing answer can't possibly work if what the OP is saying is correct, unless the OP is logging his output code in the wrong place
... Which he doesn't clarify.
 
you must not have your magic crystal ball today
 
It's got a long cooldown. not gonna use it on junk like that
 
Howdy everyone, Being that this room is about "site wide cleanup efforts" and people are talking about random bs anyways, I was wondering if I could get your guys input on a feature of my site and chat about it for a min
 
1:48 PM
Removed that link.
 
OP rolled back
 
I havent provided a link
 
So spam flag? @gunr2171?
 
uh, not sure yet
 
Spam. He has tried this before today.
 
1:49 PM
Spam!!!
 
whos spam?
 
2 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, blacklisted user: Are we guaranteed that hashcode caching through data race will work correctly? by aria on stackoverflow.com
 
@Stuart That last report from smoke detector.
 
tried what @Glorfindel ??
 
oh, sorry, just edited
and never mind
 
1:50 PM
Oh i thought they were talking about me
 
Why @NathanOliver? Why? I made the same mistake. Now you! :(
 
@Stuart Nope. Moderation activity popped up
 
So anyways... Anyone care to chat about a website feature I built on a motocross related site?
 
@PraveenKumar What mistake?
 
@Stuart sorry, smokey got in the way. What's up
 
1:51 PM
Oh Thanks @NathanOliver
 
@NathanOliver Smokey report editing. See the edit history of that spammy post.
 
Thanks @gunr2171 I'll explain
 
@PraveenKumar I didn't edit it
 
This room might be a better fit, @Stuart.
 
@NathanOliver Eh, you did. :) History cannot be erased NO.
 
1:52 PM
@Cerbrus right. remember @Stuart that we are about SO's moderation.
 
@PraveenKumar My name is attached to nothing here
 
We try to limit the "random bs" as much as we can. Hard to do when Kyll is around.
2
 
@gunr2171 I understand but you guys are also no bs straight and to the point folks
 
@NathanOliver I've got a seriously bad eyes. @gunr2171 You are the one! :( Why do you have N in your thumbnail! LoL.
 
Ill try to keep it brief
 
1:55 PM
alright, have at it
 
@AndrewLi yes
 
Have you considered asking on ux.SE?
 
@rene Ok, thanks
 
1:58 PM
@AndrewLi I'll say it's a comment. Sometimes clarification questions can be answers if the process of answering the clarification question provides an answer, but this doesn't seem like one.
 
@BhargavRao about 3°C here and right now I would kill to have that additional zero ;)
 
Not sure what we can do for you here
 
@gunr2171 What I thought :D
 
Nor even any usage of the form in the RH column
 
1:59 PM
@Stuart Really, really not what we do here. Please check our FAQ.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar come to teh tropicz
 

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