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11:01 AM
@PetterFriberg Oh yeah, me too :D
 
@PetterFriberg I'm probably not in there (I rarely comment) :)
 
There went my 5 del votes.., darn give me more.. give me more... back to answering questions
 
@PetterFriberg answer more java!
I'm sure there are at least 5 NPE on the front page
 
naa jasper-reports :P, nobody is answering them anymore... poor users..
if all these users just stopped to post NAA and bad question I would have time to answer some... :D
 
@Kyll I was about to ask how the heck it got 4 upvotes... then I remembered I need to wake up
 
11:18 AM
Good Noon
 
\o
 
o/
 
\o
 
11:22 AM
2naki <3
 
Two Naki Less than Three?
 
Dam I clicked to reopen a question instead of clicking on deleting it
 
@Tunaki o_o ...
 
Buttons are too close. I should have a userscript that increment the spacing, depending on my need for sleep.
 
11:32 AM
@Tunaki And when the spacing's getting too big a "TunaHasToGoToBedNow-Exception" will be thrown :)
That'd be nice
 
JS Guys, Can you check if it's a dupe stackoverflow.com/a/39914917/4099593
 
@Enzokie Sorry, I can only vote once
 
oops I posted a dup
 
@BhargavRao Yes it's dupe. But waiting for OP to add MCVE/Code to see exactly what is not working.
 
@Tushar Good luck. The post was 5 years ago.
 
11:38 AM
@BhargavRao I am talking about stackoverflow.com/questions/39914554/…
Probably typo or another dupe
 
@Tushar Ah, Sorry. The coffee machine has broken down here.
 
@Tunaki Duplicate?
 
@Seth hmm I'd say no
they're probably missing a componentscan annotation
for which there must be another dupe...
 
@Tunaki Oke :P Thx.
 
Hey @Tunaki if you ever decided to rap you could have "notorious2naki" as your rap name
 
11:51 AM
I'd prefer 2nak. That'd be my rap name.
 
@Tunaki Ripping off dead people, are we?
 
Any resemblance to real and actual names is purely coincidental.
 
2na
:D
 
2nak-e
 
hahaha
 
11:55 AM
Maybe "Fishy T"
:D
 
phishy T?
 
@BaummitAugen Another german in here :D
 
phishy?
 
@Magisch We are spreading c:
 
Nada cat is on.
 
11:57 AM
c:? I remember A:.
 
d: it is.
 
@Seth Be Nice.
 
12:08 PM
@Kyll Was I unfriendly? o.o
 
@BhargavRao looks like
 
@Seth Are you ever friendly?! o.o
 
@Tunaki No :>
 
@Seth Meh, that third comment wasn't very nice IIRC
 
@Kyll Wasn't it just something in the lines of "The question posted is also off-topic, please read (link to help center)"?
I don't remember it myself (and I cannot see it).
 
12:12 PM
@Seth There was also a "thanks for posting yet another off-topic question"
 
@Tunaki Can I haz screenshot for verification purposes of this?
 
@Seth Pretty much. But the "Thanks for the link" part was a bit too much.
 
Oh, I see.
 
.... Aaaaand Kyll ninja'd me without being able to see the comment
 
12:13 PM
:D
 
Hm, yeah, I can see how that's not too nice.
 
^This kitten is sad because of Seth's comment :D
 
^ How dare you!
 
@Magisch Ooooooooooooo cuuuuuuuuutty cutty cutty cutty cutty cutty. Come here. We love you!!
 
o.o ....
 
12:14 PM
You know I'm allowed one a day
 
That's a one-box though.
 
@Tunaki I think the kitty wants to eat you.
Cats do like eating fish after all...
 
That is pretty big.
 
@Tunaki I un-oneboxed it for you
 
@Seth according to chat rules, I have to report everybody who makes me feel uneasy. You're making fun of me and gossip here on how heroically you fed a troll (me). Uh, idk, that makes me feel uneasy.
 
12:17 PM
@Seth Kyll is not reporting accurately. Here's an exact quote: "Thanks for the link, that is yet another off-topic question for SO :|" You were not thanking the OP for posting an off-topic question but thanking the OP for providing a link to another off-topic question.
 
@Ghedeon Feel free to report the chat message, that's why we have that function.
@Louis I thought that was clear O_O I was not making fun of the OP for linking it, it was just a "This isn't a justification, this is off-topic as well & should not exist on SO".
 
@Seth I understood it the way you meant it.
 
@Louis Thanks alot :)
@Louis Can I have a screenshot of the question with the comments please?
 
@Ghedeon Hi, thanks for coming here. I think there was a misunderstanding on the comment here, Seth left it because the question that was linked was also off-topic, and so wasn't really justification of why your one wasn't off-topic. Then they came here and asked for feedback (not to gossip) about whether it was worded approprietly.
 
@Seth I don't typically post screenshots to chat so I'd probably mess it up (besides, I have tons of decorations added by various userscripts, which I'd have to remove). I'm not the best candidate for this.
 
12:22 PM
@Louis Ahh, I see :) No problem.
 
"Did I feed the troll to hard? :S" != asking for a feedback.
 
@Ghedeon Yes, that is asking for feedback.
Admittedly, it's borderline (regarding the "Be Nice"-policy), but it's asking for feedback, as in wether I should have withdrawn sooner or if that was still within the "Okay"-frame.
 
Pff
The SO salary calculator is so way off
with 0 years xp and 0 skill level (basic) it says 70k euros a year salary
Thats about 3 times of what you get here
 
@Magisch Well, according to the "Handelsblatt" you get ~45k average as a java dev with 0 years of experience.
 
@Seth In my area companies don't hire for more then 20k if you have a bachelor's degree, 17k if you don't (just apprenticeship degree)
 
12:30 PM
@Magisch You should move asap then (when you're done with your apprenticeship or switching companies)
 
Job postings here are advertising for devs @ minimum wage
That is with 4+ years of xp though
 
@Magisch That's the problem^^ If one takes that offer, one sells himself way below the market price.
Don't take that sort of offers, and sooner or later they'll die out.
 
@Seth The qualifier "troll" was unwarranted.
 
@Magisch Yep. 0/ :)
 
@Louis Yup, it was indeed.
 
12:33 PM
@Seth still more expensive then outsourcing to india, so even those are rare
 
@Magisch If you hire the cheapest, you will get the cheapest product, but the quality will suck :)
Most companies nowadays realize that.
& act accordingly.
 
Meh, not my experience
 
Those who don't are your typical short-sighted companies that never do any longterm-investments.
Statistically speaking, those companies are becoming extinct :)
 
I was at a job fair earlier this year
and that was depressing
 
Where the heck are you?
 
12:35 PM
In süd hessen
near frankfurt
Around 75km from frankfurt, to be exact
 
Move. :)
 
JAL
hi all
 
75km, I'd say that's far :)
 
Hi JAL :)
 
@JAL who's all?
 
12:37 PM
They all had open positions, and were eager to offer interviews
 
@Tunaki Not there
 
@Seth But all but one had fixed "maximum" salary ranged not exceeding 18k, and one had 20k as "maximum" but was interested in uni degree + 4 years xp
 
@JAL but... but the rulez
 
12:39 PM
Waffles4Jal
 
JAL
Rene's asleep post oneboxes
 
@Magisch Penny-Pinchers :p
The offers start at ~25k minimum around here.
 
Yeah no
 
Yeah yes
 
Most companies here strictly hire minimum wage, or not much above that
 
12:42 PM
You live in a bad area, and you should get away from there.
>.<
 
There are lots of companies here but
the prospects of getting in anywhere above minimum wage are ... not very great
Meh, minimum wage will be more then 2,5 times what I make now, so thats an upgrade, at least.
 
Still move
 
JAL
Wait, 25k euro for entry level positions?
In the US it's at least 50 or 60k, more if you're lucky
 
Minimum wage is around 16k
 
JAL
are we talking engineering positions?
 
12:45 PM
In my area, a software developer with degree (4 year uni) can expect 18-20k entry
 
JAL
wow
 
Hm even I make more than minimum wage here in Ger, and I'm just a part time student.
 
That said entry is a bit misleading because you'll get very meager if at all raises
@BaummitAugen I'm doing an apprenticeship for some 500 euro a month
Thats full time
 
Well apprenticeship is different beast.
But with a degree one can certainly expect more like 50k a year.
And even when done with your apprenticeship, 25k for someone who can program sounds meager, you'll probably get more than that.
 
Then I have to move
My colleagues who are working here for 10 and 19 years respectively don't make above 20k
 
12:49 PM
No jobs in Frankfurt?
 
He'd have to move anyway.
 
@Magisch Ehm, per anno? You're kidding
 
Or is that too far away?
 
75km to Frankfurt, that's not a nice commute.
 
True.
 
12:49 PM
75km one way commute I'd rather take minimum wage tbh
 
Although I know people who commute Frankfurt->Cologne every day.
I would hate that.
 
Yeah but losing 3-4 hours every day is physically and mentally draining
 
@BaummitAugen: Yes, who wants to life in Frankfurt?
 
@Olaf Hehe. :)
 
@Olaf Thats PA yes
 
12:51 PM
(Frankfurt Main or Frankfurt Oder? ;-)
 
Main
aka expensive city
as in, san fran of germany
 
Well Cologne and Munich aren't much better as far as living is concerned.
 
Oldenburg & Hamburg are nice regarding the job offer situation & the living. :)
 
While I've got the dev env open, any feature requests for metasmoke?
 
@Olaf My area is very cheap
as in companies here are cheap
 
Sam
12:55 PM
@ArtOfCode Waffle confetti on every click
 
@Sam YES PLEASE
 
Any sensible feature requests? ;)
 
:(
 
Sam
lol
 
@ArtOfCode Implement it for our NAA posts as well :D
 
12:57 PM
@Magisch: East germany? Hmm, yes, I heard they try to dry a stone there
 
That sometimes are offensive :P
 
Lmao.
 
plop!
 
hiya
 
@dorukayhan Plop =D
 
1:06 PM
@Olaf Nah actually west germany, but the south of it
 
@Kyll, why your name be all slanty?
 
@Mogsdad I missed a step the other day and it stayed like that ever since.
 
applause
 
@Magisch: Huh? That's actually not a too cheap paying area. But the Schwaben are indeed a bit special. You have to negotiate pretty hard with them.
 
@Olaf Its in Südhessen
 
1:10 PM
@Mogsdad Psst He didn't actually miss a step, someone threw him too hard ô.o
 
Not Schwaben
 
@Magisch That's north of me:-)
 
@Mogsdad Thanks =D
 
@Kyll Although, I'm pretty sure it's one sign of the apocalypse...
 
Hey Mogs o/
 
1:18 PM
mods don't have access to investigate voter fraud, right? Devs have to do it?
 
CMs
but yes
 
Sam
@TylerH That's what I've heard.
 
@Magisch yeah sorry I meant employees
 
@Tunaki \o Heya, Tuna!
 
@Mogsdad Worse than that =D
 
1:23 PM
Oh wow, this answer I was looking at got all its upvotes before it was edited to not be link-only
definitely his coworkers mass voted it up
 
Flag it, grab popcorn, and wait for the firework to begin :P
 
@Seth already did
 
@TylerH Nice, got popcorn?
 
no
I do have a mocha frappuccino though
 
That's maybe even better.
Waffles would be good too
Calling spam.
 
1:31 PM
@Kyll wat
someone voted to close as a server related Q
 
@TylerH sigh
 
@dorukayhan wrong link? Question doesn't look open-worthy to me
It's still asking "what's a better way" and saying "not getting what I want" but doesn't clarify
 
@dorukayhan Still off-topic due to lack of- damnit Tyler.
 
meep
 
@Sam Going F# for SE chat then?
 
Sam
1:39 PM
@Kyll Hmm?
I don't plan on rewriting CE.Net if that's what you mean.
 
I mean Rotix
 
Sam
Oh, right
Yeah
I thought it's about time I made a framework for bots.
 
morning!
 
Plop!
 
Sam
Hiya
 
1:48 PM
@Sam there's already a great one
LEGO Mindstorms
:-D
 
Sam
:p
 
what? Kyll, when did you become an RO?
 
@gunr2171 you didn't forget that for real, right?
 
when you announced it
 
@gunr2171 Wait he did?
 
1:49 PM
@gunr2171 That one time I got your account password
2
 
what I wanna know is where was the spirited debate
 
Where's my coffee @Kyll?
 
@Kyll crud, I thought it was something like that
 
@Tunaki Dans ta pânure.
 
@Tunaki that should be asked to smokey i guess
!!/coffee
 
1:50 PM
@dorukayhan brews coffee for @dorukayhan
 
@TylerH I'm not sure, but some of us were drinking Sprite.
so close enough
 
I always seem to miss room meta discussions
If we could have those at like 9AM EST every time... that'd be greeaaaat
 
@TylerH: google should develop some real-world timeshift.
 
@Olaf at first I read "timeshaft" and I was thinking like Total Recall (the remake)
nice, I just discovered answer timeline pages
Figured they existed but had never come across them before
 
2:01 PM
I am interested but I can't see it because the damn web filter at this workplace lately
really really annoying
 
They block Github?
 
github is blocked as shareware/freeware and then sometimes works just enough to tease me
and all image hosting sites, even i.stack.imgur, are blocked because 'filesharing - hosting'
well, some esoteric ones are not blocked but that's not for lack of trying
 
That's weird. Github is probably the most work related site I visit
 
Which company? Just to make sure never to work for them:-)
 
a local hospital chain
you never will, no worries :-)
We used to have users in two groups - "IT" and "everyone else" and it was great
 
2:03 PM
I bet someone downloaded something off Github and they knee-jerked
 
Kyll recommending things I wrote in JavaScript gasp
 
@Machavity no, it was that they merged both groups because maintaining two lists was "hard"
 
@Tunaki As long as it's not your Java codes...
 
@TylerH is userscript or whatever blocked too?
 
2:05 PM
@Braiam I don't know what you're referring to
what website, I mean
 
that website loads
but I don't use any userscripts on SO
 
:(
 
I actually don't use any userscripts for my web browsers at all
aside from some basic addons
like adblock, flagfox, etc.
(not that kind of flagging)
 
@Tunaki Mmm, JavaScript
 
2:08 PM
what's most annoying about the filter is that social media is allowed
so facebook and youtube and twitter and stuff are fine
but noooo I can't view stack overflow images or go to github -_-
 
AAAAAAH Beyond Good and Evil 2 is finally going to exist!!!
 
@Kyll that means Half Life 3 is out too?
 
No idea, but BGE2!
 
@Kyll Hmm... there have been announcements for years. I'm going to believe it when the thing actually loads on one of my machines.
 
Not announcements
There were teasers, videos, couple images
Never something as close as Ubisoft announcing they're working on it
 
2:20 PM
@Kyll BUT! HALF! LIFE! 3!
 
@Braiam BGE2. JUST, BGE2.
 
What genre is it? :P
 
fps?
 
The first game was many genres really. Adventure, action, infiltration, puzzle, shooting, driving, ...
 
so, fps
 
2:22 PM
Nope
 
Easy to play?
 
Not even first person
 
@Tunaki If you want to play an easy game, play Demon Souls :)
 
@Tunaki if you're familiar with third person adventure games, yes
 
@Seth easy to play != easy game :)
 
2:23 PM
@Tunaki Ah, sorry, misunderstood :p
 
easy to play = 4 buttons at most, or a good controller :)
 
Ah, reminds me of WoW. Almost every key was bound to some action :|
 
BGE can be played very well with a controller
 
@Tunaki Is this a duplicate of this?
 
@Seth Hmmmmmm. Actually, that may be why the exception is thrown, but I'm sure the real issue is stackoverflow.com/questions/13102045/…
They're doing in.read(); and not consuming the new line there, before reading again from the Scanner.
 
2:30 PM
@Tunaki Ahh, I see
 
@Seth Tested, that's the issue. Closed.
 
@Tunaki Nice, thanks :)
 
@Yam No.
@Yam No
 
ops you already post that sorry.. at least we agree : )
 
2:38 PM
@Kyll never even heard of beyond good and evil
 
@TylerH When it was published it barely got any attention despite being adored by critics and players
 
@Kyll When was it published? :o
 
@Seth 2003
 
@Kyll Ah. Ubisoft was good back then :)
B&W 1/2 are from Ubisoft too (IIRC)
Not too sure tho
 
@Kyll: That is a great game! I normally don't like J&R, but that one is really nice.
 
2:43 PM
I enjoyed Black & White 2 but only played like 10 minutes of it
what I really want is a Dragonlance RPG
there hasn't been a dragonlance game in over 25 years :-(
 
MS: To play solitaire you need a internet connection.
Me: :(
 
@Seth: Yes, Ubisoft.
 
@Braiam yeah, another reason I don't want Windows 10 yet on my main workstation
stupid stuff like that
but mostly the lack of control over updates
 
@Braiam How else can you share your every move to social media?
 
@TylerH you need any linux distro...
 
2:48 PM
@Braiam Windows 7 works fine
 
when questions are tagged java, c++ and c#, you're in for a good close vote.
 
@QPaysTaxes well logitech is the only mouse company worth buying from so
why does anyone run linux on a desktop, then :-P
@Tunaki Unless...
 
blocked
reason: gaming
 
Vertical mouse user here.
 
2:53 PM
uh, let me get a better picture
 
@QPaysTaxes My Logitec mouse and KB work without problems.
 
@TylerH I bet it looked at the url with a regex gam(e|ing)
 
@TylerH uh, just page though this video for what it looks like
 
@TylerH I prefer gaming mice. Those where you can unlock the wheel and speed-scroll. perfectly for longer text files
 
unlocked scroll wheels are nice, but I rarely ever use that functionality
 
2:56 PM
@Olaf page down or next page button typically works better than scroll wheels
@gunr2171 too many buttons
that thing belongs in a transformers movie
 
: )
I know, it's great
 
@gunr2171: Seriously: I though about buing one like that (semi-open frame). Is that really recommendable?
 
I LOVE the mouse. Will buy again when my current gets old
 
at most, in addition to the three main buttons (L, R, middle scroll wheel button), you might need one on the left side for your thumb and one on the right side for your ring finger
if you're a diamond SC2 player
 
@TylerH: Not if you are browsing. The wheel is heavy metal, so a short impulse lets it spin for seconds.
 
2:57 PM
@Olaf I prefer my wheels classical, sometimes jazz
6
 
.....facepalm
 
@Olaf also I don't want to scroll for seconds at a time because reading moving text is... why would anyone do that
 
@TylerH: "Those where you can unlock the wheel"
 
@Olaf yes but you just listed seconds-long scrolling as a benefit
so, do you actually scroll for seconds at a time when reading?
do you skip large sections of articles or do you try to read it as it goes by? Or does it scroll very very slowly per rotation?
 
If you are searching for some structure (not text), it really helps. Wans't sure when I bought it either, but I very soon I won't miss it anymore.
 

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