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12:45 AM
Well, it's asking 'why isn't this code working'?
Also, didn't see the answer pointing out the typo
Yeah
Well, I tried editing CV reason but was too late
 
@QPaysTaxes Easy solution: don't use JS, stick with Python :-)
@QPaysTaxes Simple solution: don't use IE.* ;-))
Ok, the next solution will be less simple then :-)
@QPaysTaxes That's ridiculous
She don't teach security lessons, does she?
Well, one sometimes has to show some courage. But then I'm very likely not in the commitee of your uni for objections to bad degrees (hope you get what I mean).
@QPaysTaxes: Hmm, that doesn'Ät sound like a good attitude. Joking is ok, but one should make clear it was a joke soon.
When is that task due?
Hmm, well. maybe I'm not in the position to criticise about bad jokes, but I still don't find this ok. So much for sensitivity. You know: uncertainty leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to microagressions ... ;-)
CMIIW, but isn't IE6 out of any support for years already?
Just checked (it's German, thus no link). Support for all versions of IE except IE11 ended in january 2016.
Heck, IE6 came with Windows XP!
She must be joking!
@QPaysTaxes: That's ninteresting: Inheritance and timeline of webbrowsers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_web_browsers
 
1:35 AM
Is there a canonical for differences between = and ==?
I do too; but doesn't seem like it
 
@QPaysTaxes Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example.
:-)
Which OS, which UI, which console program?
@QPaysTaxes: That doesn't surprise me. I've seen stupid ppl in all places. Universities are no exception :(
The console program would be putty then. vim is the application.
 
Looks like we don't have a canonical for = and ==
;-;
 
Hmm, never had that issue, but I use vim only on OpenWRT with standard ssh on konsole
 
@AndrewL. Language?
 
Not sure it will be well received @QPaysTaxes because of the incredible basic-ness
 
1:40 AM
@Shadow whatcha got pivot master? stackoverflow.com/questions/39907586
 
(KDE console program.
 
@Rizier123 language agnostic, or specifically those that distinguish between = and ==?
Oki-doki @QPaysTaxes. tripleee had some ideas for an AND/OR canonical question because there seem to be lots of those
Also, is it falsy or falsey?
 
@AndrewL.: That one of those RTFM questions.
 
@AndrewL. Probably the closest one you can get: stackoverflow.com/q/2063480/3933332 even though it is mainly PHP and applies only to some extend to JS.
 
@Rizier123 yeah. I mean it does somewhat apply, just no ===.
 
1:42 AM
Language-agnostic is not a good idea. There are quite some differences, e.g. Python and C.
 
@Olaf yeah, but the problem is people don't. Would closing as dupe to a canonical be better then say a typo?
Hmm. I guess language-agnostic is sometimes hard.
But don't almost all mainstream languages implement == and = as in languages such as C?
 
@a: Actually, having an answer closed as typo can be a clearer statement. IMO such canonicals attract other low-quality questions.
Just remember how much i = i++ -++i rubbish we still get.
 
Lol
 
@AndrewL. In Python and many other languages the assignment is not an operator.
 
Really?
It's not an operator in Python?!
 
1:46 AM
@AndrewL. Try writing i = i + (j = 7)
 
Oh wow
@Olaf curious as why that's invalid syntax?
Or do I need to RTFM :P
Oh yeah your right.
'Assigning' in the wrong places is just invalid syntax
 
I'm currently not sure if you are really surprised that different languages have different semantics and syntax, or just kidding
 
Ahh, gotcha
@Olaf I know that languages have different implementation, just surprised at Python. I understand now
So that's not a good canonical candidate
 
@AndrewL. Sorry then, I'm just not good at reading between the lines - expecially because English is not my native tongue.
 
>.< I feel a bit stupid right now
No problem. I've just never spent time looking into Python. It's also got some unique features that make it 'pythonic'
But is there a good canonical for boolean operators?
 
1:52 AM
Niklaus Wirth, the developer of Pascal, Modula and Oberon (and quite a lot of other relevant stuff) had a very clear position about expressions with side-effects. For instance that's one reason Oberon does not allow overloading.
@AndrewL. Jump onto that train. I love that language. It's actually the only language so far, I feel supported in my ideas, not slowed down. Whenever I have some new demand for my code, I notive that Python "is already there".
Even a non-programmer can get the basic idea of a Python program.
 
@Olaf I've always wanted to but never got into it
I know a bit
 
I know a byte
 
;)
I'm not sure how it's my second tag
 
I started with Python ca. 17 years ago. It's my swiss-army-knife for the Desktop.
@QPaysTaxes A Nibble?
 
I know a symbol
 
1:57 AM
A Nübble?
 
Hi @BaummitAugen
 
Unicode? Cp-somenumbers?
 
May the wind be kind to you :-)
 
I guess I'm more of a JS guy even though I never learned it
 
2:01 AM
@QPaysTaxes: No idea. I read the first novel, but that was in German and I'm certain I didn't take it from there. Just had a free association ("Baum" is german for "Tree")
@QPaysTaxes Well, I prefer my prey dead already. I have a good butcher.
 
Are you sure?
 
@QPaysTaxes: How do you know?
 
> I am a human being typing with my human hands
 
As a tree, I need my prey like ultra dead.
Not much I can do to stop it.
 
Hmm, at least I have the appropriate temper.
@BaummitAugen: Are air, water, etc. alive?
 
2:06 AM
@QPaysTaxes Nah.
 
(I hate running after my food)
 
@Olaf Some carbon runs around. I need carbon to not run around.
 
@QPaysTaxes: Did you read The lord of the rings?
The old willowman
 
@QPaysTaxes Just saying it doesn't bother me. ;)
 
@QPaysTaxes you mean the book with Tom? Or the part in LotR?
 
2:19 AM
@QPaysTaxes: Yes, those were the days. When men were real men, women were real women, and small furry crea­tures from Alpha Cen­tauri were real small furry crea­tures from Alpha Cen­tauri
 
2:43 AM
Before an edit, it had js, jquery, and html tagged, with unrunnable snippets -_-
lmao
 
@AndrewL.: I hadn't taken the time to edit. Leave a comment to format properly, CV and done. The last sentence in the question makes getting more details unlikely.
 
@Olaf the unrunnable code and tags were too much.
 
@AndrewL. Well, I'd also cleaned up the tags. But the edit is just not worth the time. +1 for better attitude than I have :-)
 
Ehh, it was just so horrible I had to
 
"My eyes! My eyes"
Anyway, I'll give my eyes a rest. Good night everybody and bodyless spirits.
 
2:52 AM
Bye @Olaf
3 insta-dvs
 
Whhattt is that ^
Uhoh @Tushar beat you!
 
:)
I was typing the comment
 
;)
@AlexanderO'Mara it's even worse D:
 
IDK what it might even be asking, gave up reading at the second paragraph. It was clear there was no question to be found.
 
3:28 AM
Though applause is given for writing out that.
 
@Tushar I went with "too broad"
 
That'll work too. It is asking for tutorial, so went with OSR.
 
@tripleee who the heck approved that edit?!
 
@AndrewL. rhetorical question I guess (and linked to the wrong discussion chain) but more importantly, how could they have approved it 47 minutes ago?
 
That's weird...
 
3:40 AM
oh, wait, it really was that old
 
47 minutes ago proposed, approved 1 minute later
Ugh. The same user is clogging up suggested edits with title typo fixes
 
@BaummitAugen you are listed as one of the delete voters there, is that correct? you should just flag as "rude or abusive", there is no need to separately delete vote
enough flags and poof
@AndrewL. we are not supposed to comment on users here, but in a case like this, how could you not? I mean if there is a problem with someone's systematic behavior, not linking to their profile makes it near impossible to discuss the thing in concrete terms
(again, not pinging you personally, just linking for context)
 
@tripleee I know it's discouraged here, hence the reason I didn't link.
^ Found that in the edit queue
 
@tripleee where?
 
@Tushar related to the approve vote on the wd vandalism edit
 
3:47 AM
ok, checking
 
they almost doubled their rep in the last few days
 
There's a separate person who's just fixing typos and adding superfluous formatting
Sorry for mentioning a user, but I'm trying not to link
 
there are some reject votes there as well in the recent flurry of review activity so not a complete robo-reviewer
 
They're also needlessly bumping EXTREMELY old posts
 
well then ping them. I am always in their face
 
3:49 AM
Is it bad if I reject a ton in a row?
 
and the edit just replaced the tags with some spurious ones so I can see how that would be easy to miss if you were just plowing through the review queue
I say accidents happen
 
So yeah, there's a post on meta. Seems like flooding the queue is good rep. I've rejected them all.
Someone now is literally replacing keyboard keys with actual keys >:(
 
is there a way to see the actual queue instead of just one suggestion at a time?
 
don't think so
Why is it giving me so many tests? Is it because I'm rejected a ton of bad edits?
 
or just because you are moving fast
 
3:53 AM
Oh
 
if you get a chance, stop on by SOCVR chat. Re: thisDrew 32 secs ago
 
4:22 AM
I think the question should be closed as well but I have hard time coming up with a good close reason
basically it asks for someone to reverse engineer a commercial product
and/or link to the decryptum.com FAQ where they explain that actually they don't crack the password
 
Too broad?
"How can I develop something that does X" is what I see
It's from 2011, I don't think it really matters what reason it lands on
I wonder if a question that gets bumped because of an answer that's then deleted as spam should be "un-bumped"
 
4:48 AM
@ivarni huh? it specifically asks how a particular site does X, not how to actually solve the problem (and the links to related questions already seem to discuss that)
 
"I am looking to see if we can develop something like that."
I guess we all read language differently
If you want to get into specifics though, it asks if anyone knows how it's solved, not how it's solved but meh.. semantics.
 
@ivarni ya gonna answer 2 more questions to push yourself over the top?
 
@Drew I answer questions when I find something I want to answer, not when I need rep :)
There's no rush anyway
 
lotta junk out there
 
I'm watching the tag and it's horrible :(
The vast majority is syntax errors and typos and "I dont understand my toolchain halp me"
 
4:59 AM
answer or not here review link here ??
@ivarni then maybe you will like my cv-mod idea in the beehive ... doc at bottom
meta would probably rip it apart. Seems like the status quo of junk is just fine for people
 
I'm a bit discouraged about the entire site atm so I just lurk in here once in a while and throw in my votes and refresh the active questions page on main once in a while. That's the amount of energy I'm willing to invest atm :)
 
5:22 AM
yeah it is a bit of a downer. It encourages crap and the janitors have brooms with broken poles
 
5:46 AM
teach me Oop, from sentence one. Holy cow.
 
@Drew s/he's here
Did you talk about it?
 
nope
@Janmenjaya there was a suggested edit you saw that clobbered some tags. Try to keep an eye out for vandalism. Link to review here: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/13909800 ... and thx for stopping by
 
^ By a known vandalist and spammer.
Microsoft computers shudder at its name. The font is so incredibly useless but amazing
 
if I didn't know what you are talking about, I would be almost certain that it's Comic Sans
@Janmenjaya see previous discussion above: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33330261#33330261
 
@tripleee I can find some uses for CSMS
I used to have a teacher that exclusively sent emails in Comic Sans
Comic Sans also soothes my eyes
 
6:02 AM
@AndrewL. I can only think of one, "don't use this font"
 
@tripleee can you find any uses for the previously mentioned font either?
 
☠✡👍 isn't particularly useful either, but a classic example
 
IMO, Papyrus is words than Comic Sans.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara really? I kind of like it
Also — nice play on words ;)
@tripleee !!!
 
@AndrewL. So does every half-wit designer and/or their clients. So you tend to see it in logos for loads of local businesses and such.
 
6:14 AM
@AlexanderO'Mara not for production, just as the calligraphy. It's similar to my style but I wouldn't use it in production.
 
Copperplate Black and Hobo are also borderline overused.
 
I've a T-Shirt with "Helvetica" written on it. In Comic Sans. It's great for trolling designers
11
 
I dislike Copperplate
 
@AndrewL. The scripty version?
 
Both are horrible.
 
6:17 AM
Sort-of, "Copperplate" usually refers to a script font, "Copperplate Black" and "Copperplate Bold" is the really bold font.
 
Yeah, realized that
Impact is also overused
I like Gothic
 
I tend to flip through all my fonts, hate them all, then start flipping through again to see what I can live with.
 
Inconsolata and Ubuntu I can live with
Zapfino is cool in all... but like Comic Sans, what's the point?
 
morning
 
7:01 AM
morning
quick question
let's say I want to raise a close vote for low quality question on a stackexchange forum rather than on SO, which room should I go to?
plop blob plop for being a room owner @Kyll
 
@AndyK I don't think there is anything similar for other sites, but they also don't typically have such massive close vote queues, I would guess
 
thanks @tripleee I raised the issue in the room. Hopefully, someone will pick it up
 
both...
 
7:34 AM
Hiya
 
7:50 AM
 
@Drew nope
 
meeh not so sure, it tells the steps... and links to queries... bad but to me seems like an answer
 
It's a very good answer, considering the question. :P
It's kinda snarky, yet answers the question, without actually giving the OP the code it requested.
 
@Seth Close ASAP No MCVE
 
^ regarding that, what's the close reason to use? Unclear?
 
@Seth too broad?
 
@Seth Unclear to mer
 
Ok :> Thx
 
bye folks
 
8:05 AM
Hiya
 
@PetterFriberg Already reported ô.o
Hiya everyone :)
 
Hiya
 
@Seth Yeah.. to many bots :D
 
OH MY GOD.
 
@tripleee That's spam for me, But haven't yet flagged
 
8:06 AM
That spam is actually "good" spam.
That is spam.
 
yeah, I stand corrected, I'll retract the f
 
Look at the profile, the link, and the name.
Still, it's actually good spam.
It's readable.
Doesn't hurt my eyes.
 
is it sufficient to retract in Metasmoke or should I do something more? sorry for the mess
 
Is it acceptable to request 2 questions to be merged if they are exact duplicates and both have decent answers?
 
@tripleee na you should be fine
 
8:09 AM
@TimCastelijns my reading of related questions led me to conclude "yes" but i have never seen a successful merge
I have requested a couple at least but I don't think they were ever done
 
I also could not imagine how that would work
 
@TimCastelijns Try and see what happens : )
 
I'm scared of the mods
 
Sep 10 at 20:55, by Jon Clements
Make us sound like North Korea or something...
 
@BhargavRao Whaaat? North Korea is a harmless prank compared to the mods! :o
 
8:12 AM
do note I am trying to close the older Q as a dupe of the newer
 
@tripleee closed and 1 delete vote
 
@Tunaki should still be flagged as spam IMNSHO
oh well, I gave it the one missing delete vote
 
if you want a good laugh, this is a good room to watch
 
also helps procrastinating
 
@doug65536 hm?
 
8:22 AM
I laughed out loud reading this one
 
yes... we're expert in crap....
 
In that case you can just keep an eye on newly posted android questions
they're all like that
 
@doug65536 You will only laugh the first week... soon you will start crying
 
true petter ;)
 
alright linguists who can fix this title stackoverflow.com/q/39912737
 
8:25 AM
Damn you made me assume it would be worth fixing
 
nah it was way worse minutes ago
 
MCVE, Unclear or whatever else
 
Error appears to be not in his own code, so may not be easy to post a mvce
 
@cricket_007 Small @Sam
 
8:29 AM
@TimCastelijns me no code, error in image, post to useful needs an example what he is doing..
 
@BhargavRao Oh noez, the bot broke :|
 
Looks like :D
 
Plop everyone!
 
Plop boss
 
@AndyK Thanks =D
@TimCastelijns Who are you and why are you logged in on Tim's account?
 
8:32 AM
The Kyll has arrived.
 
^ nuff said.
 
I don't want to get kicked so I just play along
I know that you becoming RO is a giant leap towards spreading the plop
 
No, plop, it will plop never make it into plop normal conversation.
3
 
So it begins...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Mod-ninja high-five?
 
9:03 AM
@Kyll Plop! /o
 
Plop =D
 
9:39 AM
@Yam still no
 
Tis quiet on Friday
even spam isn't getting nuked :)
 
It's getting downvoted, though
 
Sam
Morning o/
 
Morning o/
:(
 
9:50 AM
Not many flaggers it seems. But hey, I got another passive upvote!
 
10:13 AM
@SmokeDetector false positive eh
 
@kayess You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
yeah yeah blabla :]
 
huh
 
@Tunaki how do I turn myself into a privileged SD user ? Whom across do I have to sudo myself into SD ?:p
 
@kayess Duno (rearrange the letters to find the guy)
 
10:26 AM
@BhargavRao Undo ?
 
Yup. :D
 
Thanks:)
 
hmm a mod translated a post... now wondering what to do in the future..
 
@PetterFriberg Mod flag him :D
 
10:31 AM
He/She is responding that if very simple post we can translate.
 
@Petter That Italian post?
 
Yeep, note NAA flag was not denied, mod accepted but translate the post... english under the Italian text.
@BhargavRao i already showed him... FQ, and deleted comment... please don't make it an issue...
 
Nope, I am not. I'll delete my comment also.
 
Don't want to much meta comments under post.. lets let him work...
@BhargavRao He's logic has sense, he accepted the flag but then as a mod decided to translate..., so we flag and if mods decided to translate ok.
 
Yeah, Let's move ahead.
 
10:38 AM
\o, yeah we continue to flag as NAA and they do as they think is right :D
 
10:53 AM
Do mods get auto flags when someone is spamming the same comment everywhere?
 
@kayess You'll need blessing from Closey.
 
@Rizier123 there was a meta about that recently
or at least that meta was mentioned in this room not long ago
 
@Rizier123 not so sure... you better raise a mod flag..
 
@Rizier123 no, they don't
 
iirc it wasn't an auto flag but there is a section on the mod dashboard to see duplicate comments
 
@Tunaki I bet I'm in that duplicate comment flag que :D
I have posted this a couple of 100 of times
> This post isn't an actual attempt at answering the question. Please note Stack Overflow doesn't work like a discussion forum, it is a Q&A site where every post is either a question or an answer to a question. Posts can also have comments - small sentences lik....
 
@PetterFriberg Oh yeah, me too :D
 

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