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12:00 AM
call me dogmatic
 
dog-matic?
 
@Drew del bot commands :p
 
there a bot for that?
 
@Drew yes we do
 
You do what?
 
12:08 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ @BaummitAugen @NathanOliver reach out to this guy sometime, lured him in chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33638347#33638347
 
@Drew We call him "Drew" ;D
 
I'm outa here. Later all
 
nite sir thx
oh enjoy the meteor shower. All cloudy here
 
@Kyll what is this?
 
weird, I keep getting "Too Many Requests"
 
12:57 AM
this is a tool/api request, right?
 
user4639281
@NobodyNada What user scripts are you using?
 
user4639281
@SotiriosDelimanolis Not really as it is asking if there is a function built into the system to do a thing
 
@TinyGiant I have to eat dinner; I'll take a look later. Thanks for helping!
 
1:47 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis now you can be certain
 
2:04 AM
So simple :)
 
hi everyone o/
 
getting the buzz and heading out
you?
 
@TinyGiant Huh, another site told me my IP address was blocked "for security reasons." Something fishy must be going on with my network.
 
burning out the last ounce of patience I have :p
 
2:09 AM
The userscripts I have running right now are Magic Editor, AutoReviewComments, the CV request generator, rene's comment thread highlighter, and FDSC.
 
then you better sleep next :P
Here is a story for y'all :) soundcloud.com/attlas/storyline-vol-1
 
@SmokeDetector Note that this answer is plagiarized, word for word, with a spam link added.
 
 
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3:19 AM
@JanDvorak assuming this is on topic
I can't be bothered to put it thru Google Translate when it's completely unclear
 
@AndrewLi I can just select -> right-click -> google translate
 
user6820627
@JanDvorak No Code Block questions are always too broad. My experience
 
@JanDvorak should we close on the basis of the translated meaning or on the basis that we have to translate it in the first place
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Not always
 
@AndrewLi Then why did you suggest migration?
 
user6820627
@AndrewLi give me a reason.
 
user6820627
3:23 AM
@JanDvorak no, pls don't migrate. it's a bad question.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent don't tell me
 
@JanDvorak Because there's a more suitable place for the language. Should I translate it and judge based on that in the future?
 
suitable place for the language, yes. For the question, clearly not.
 
user6820627
@AndrewLi you should not migrate if you see a SO post in another language. Close as off-topic, suggest the ES.SO site and delete it
 
user6820627
and never try to translate it. if the post is clear, you can understand even if you don't know the language.
 
3:26 AM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent What??
I should understand even if I don't know the language? Are you sure?
 
user6820627
@AndrewLi if you can run the test case you can understand it very clearly. if you can't, MCVE
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Why should I close as off topic if I suggest another site? The migration to a child language-specific site is because the question is unclear on main site due to language barrier
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent What question are you talking about?
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Not true.
 
@AndrewLi Don't migrate crap.
 
user6820627
3:27 AM
that spanish you are talking stackoverflow.com/questions/40187828/…
 
@JanDvorak Ok. So you suggest attempting to translate crap so we can discover it's crap?
I'm just not entirely swayed. I can ask on meta which close reason I should use
 
I wasn't complaining that you didn't translate before suggesting a foreign language site. I was just correcting your assumptions that that question might have a place on the target site.
 
user6820627
try to understand this without google translate: es.stackoverflow.com/questions/29138/…
 
user6820627
very clear post
 
user6820627
i can understand although i dont know spanish
 
3:30 AM
nuke
 
unanimous, no less.
 
Well, that was a quick poll
 
SOCVR works great for outsourcing quick decisions.
 
3:31 AM
You can't get disagreement from one opinion ;-)
 
user6820627
 
user6820627
for below 10k pastebin.com/bUTM3Zyz
 
user6820627
I am going to ask this question:
 
user6820627
Can you tell me how to improve it?
 
user6820627
3:35 AM
I don't want downvotes and cv-pls so please help me or give me the duplicate.
 
Have you searched yourself, debugged, and attempt solving the problem yourself?
 
user6820627
@AndrewLi console don't throw any errors. i don't know what words to search because i don't know what is related to the problem. is there duplicate?
 
user6820627
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent That's not a question.
 
user6820627
@πάνταῥεῖ why?
 
user6820627
3:42 AM
i am not going to post that link and say answer this.
 
It's just a code dump; we don't know what you're asking.
 
user6820627
@NobodyNada so what should i change in the question to make it not look like a code dump?
 
Make the question be on it's own instead of a comment. I didn't even see the question in there.
Make your question be something like this:
 
user6820627
yeah, i will do that in real SO question.
 
3:54 AM
<problem description>
Here is a snippet to show the problem:
<stack snippet>
You should use a Stack Snippet instead of codepen because the code has to be part of the question, not a link to an external site.
 
Not a great sentence. In fact quite bad: I want when I change `control`` to `controller2`, when I change value in dat.GUI, it changes value of `controller2.i` too.`
 
user6820627
(cont) because the automatic warning always appear if i don't make the question be on it own
 
user6820627
@Drew can you tell me how to improve this?
 
"When I change the value in dat.GUI, I want it to change control to controller2, but right now it changes controller2.i also.
Or something like that; I can't quite tell what it's supposed to say.
 
@JanDvorak I raised a meta issue here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/336721/…
 
3:57 AM
like NN said. Quite hard for us to translate that
 
user6820627
@NobodyNada it looks better. thank you
 
Does it still say the same thing?
 
user6820627
@NobodyNada updated wording.
 
I mean, did my sentence have the same meaning as yours?
 
user6820627
sorry, no :(
 
3:59 AM
@AndrewLi Option #3: vote unclear and don't suggest migration
 
user6820627
When I change the value in dat.GUI, I want it to change controller2.i, but right now it changes controller1.i.
 
Ah, that makes sense.
 
@JanDvorak Ok, let me add that
 
user6820627
@NobodyNada is that OK to ask now?
 
@Yam still awful
^ That wasn't about your question, @LearnHowToBeTransparent, it was the one brought up
 
user6820627
4:02 AM
i know
 
user6820627
but is that OK to ask now or i need to improve more?
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent I'd suggest a slightly better title: something like "dat.GUI doesn't update when I change the object"
 
user6820627
@NobodyNada done.
 
I think it's ready to post then! @AndrewLi, @πάνταῥεῖ, and @Drew, would you agree?
 
@NobodyNada I'm not experienced enough in the subjective, but may be yes.
 
4:06 AM
as long as that last sentence was overhauled, yes
 
Is it ok to wait for more possible answers on a meta posts just for more feedback
 
Yes
 
@AndrewLi I'd say so
That's the whole point of a
 
@AndrewLi Of course
 
user6820627
4:07 AM
done!
 
Yeah. Discussion :)
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent You forgot to change the last sentence
 
I believe the primary question is, comment or not, and if so, how to suggest migration iff the question isn't bad (which we don't know)
 
user6820627
@NobodyNada done
 
user6820627
ok, downvote or not?
 
user6820627
4:09 AM
now i have lunch
 
user6820627
bye!
 
user6820627
13.00 UTC i will back
 
@JanDvorak My question is should we cv based on the content itself being unclear or the content's translation
I agree with Undo, but I'd like to see more input
 
unclear is always fine
 
Also - should I change migration to reasking?
 
4:13 AM
yes
imo
 
never migrate or try to translate via web. Punt. CV. Move on
one will virtually all screw up the nuance. We were even all talking English. Yet it took 5 to 10 minutes to translate his English into English for one sentence.
 
@Drew Would you like to submit an answer?
 
just an upvote for Undo's. I could not say it better.
 
He didn't say not to comment
 
If someone knows the language, I don't see a reason to prohibit helpfulness.
 
4:23 AM
Agreed
If by tomorrow if there aren't any better answers I'll accept
But @Undo - my comment redirecting was OK right?
 
The question is whether to suggest reasking if one doesn't know what's being asked
 
@AndrewLi Might consider linking directly to /help/on-topic on the target, but yeah
 
Yeah :)
@JanDvorak Yeah
 
... yeah?
 
I guess you could say it that way
@Undo Sorry for pinging you again, but could you add that to the answer?
 
4:27 AM
Tacked on a paragraph
 
Thanks :)
 
Part B then: Let's say that Adam doesn't bother with translation (ok) and suggests reasking (ok'd here), is it fine that Bob chimes in and tells Adam that the question wouldn't fly on the target site?
 
Sure, why not?
He's actually telling the asker that it won't fly, who it's directed at is a formality.
 
I don't have a problem with it
 
So... everything's fine :-D
 
4:29 AM
:-D
 
Just spend no time on it. 10 seconds max. vote. Next.
 
Would this be No MCVE?
It just says "the code gives me an exception, please debug it for me"
 
4:48 AM
night o/
 
Bye!
 
5:23 AM
@Queen k
 
5:39 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Dang it, ninja'd again
 
6:21 AM
12 easy CV4 questions over here chat link needing 1 more
 
Quesrion has no question ^
 
@AndrewLi wow. One of the close voters edited the question few seconds after the q was put on hold, so now it should be in the reopen queue.. :|
 
@AshishAhujaツ are you serious? Ugh.
 
@AshishAhujaツ Don't worry. We'll congratulate them later.
 
@AndrewLi yeah, after 4-5 seconds it was edited..
 
7:17 AM
@Shadow do you have a sum/join/where dupe ref I cant find one stackoverflow.com/q/40188116 (a simple one tho I could use stackoverflow.com/a/7365940 )
 
Sorry, but I do not have any off the top of my head
 
found one should stick. countdown begins t minus 48
 
7:44 AM
@Shadow want a del vote on this one, I plopped one stackoverflow.com/questions/40111638
cant believe that guy would do a for loop .... off to bed 4am almost
 
sleep well
 
8:17 AM
GM all
 
8:49 AM
@Drew done, question deleted
 
9:39 AM
Stop being so fast, dammit
 
any volunteers to fix the tag wiki?
 
What needs to be fixed?
 
@rene it's kinda spammy, I would think
 
@JanDvorak OK, fixed, kind-of
 
Thanks.
 
10:16 AM
@rene oh bummer, I missed you there :( Now I had to pay for my own beer
 
another day ... ;)
 
Sure! @NathanOliver's beer is still in the fridge
 
 
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11:20 AM
Did I correctly deduce from this question and comments thereon that it reads like an "I solved 80% of the exercise, made no effort for the other 20% please do that for me"?
 
user6820627
11:48 AM
@Adriaan yes. Cv-pls it.
 
user6820627
@Adriaan very good. Did you close it too?
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent of course I CVed
I've been around this room for months, I know how it works
 
user6820627
@Adriaan what is matlab? I don't know
 
edit, or nuke?
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent I don't know either. I do know MATLAB, which is a scientific programming environment, as you can read in the tag description.
@JanDvorak don't edit spam.
 
11:56 AM
Except if it has original content, then edit instead of flagging
 
@SmokeDetector nop. Was commented on the Q, solved the problem, so OP made it an answer. I flagged VLQ
 
12:15 PM
\o/ I reached 5k again, this time without cheesing via docs
 
@Magisch Documentation seems to be a pure waste of time.
 
I've been a bit burned by not being considered a major contributor to the example I rewrote entirely because I dared to remove some of the complete nonsense and non-compiling code that was in there and apparently only characters added count.
 
12:32 PM
Hiya
 
12:45 PM
\o
Should we close questions asking for code review as TB? stackoverflow.com/questions/40192220/…
 
Go with the custom reason
 
@BhargavRao Off topic because it belongs to SE Code Review? I already mentioned the site in a comment.
@Tunaki Hi fish!
^This sounds funny in german ;)
 
1:02 PM
Hey o/ I just opened Java and I'm already irritated
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yeah, That'd be the best. imo
@Tunaki Hiya
 
@BhargavRao Will use it next time. Gotta provide another stock comment for this :)
 
Yeah.
I've kinda stopped using that reason though. I'm not aware of their site rules.
 
@BhargavRao Though I should bring the too broad aspect in. At least we don't use SE Code Review as an official migration site.
@BhargavRao I am. Participated during my last ban.
;P
 
If it's too broad close it as such. If you feel that it suits on the other site, use the custom reason.
That's as simple as it gets
Any idea why this didn't receive proper attention stackoverflow.com/q/40059266/4099593? It looks like it has a MCVE (to me)
 
1:13 PM
I am sorry to hear your question didn't get enough proper attention. Would you like some improper one instead?
 
@BhargavRao asked Oct 15 at 12:54 May be drowned within all the newbie stuff asked at that time
@JanDvorak You're mean ;)
 
Or we can just guess that it was Saturday and no one was there to answer ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ No. I'm just willing to moderate.
 
@BhargavRao Because it isn't a "google my thing for me plzz"?
 
@BhargavRao We have a moderation desert right now, and all of those newbs want to get their homework done.
 
1:16 PM
@Tunaki Haha, and also not a dupe of NullPointerException ;)
@πάνταῥεῖ Does that mean that we are failing to differentiate between sand and pearl?
 
@BhargavRao Certainly not, just fewer people.
 
@BhargavRao yes, yes we are
 
I'm confused now. Yes or No?
 
@BhargavRao Not at all. PERL is easy to spot
 
Lol :D
 
@BhargavRao not anymore
 
Thanks, Retracted
 
@BhargavRao delete votesd
 
This is still a NAA, rite? stackoverflow.com/a/40164564/4099593
 
^I'm using that rarely.
 
1:56 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think SF will take that, maybe SU but it could be an issue when VS is already installed
 
^ @Rene Seems superuser.com is the appropriate migration site.
 
I should FR changing the term 'migration' to 'migraine'.
It's just so much effort with little gain.
 
@Tunaki How does one irritate a tuna?
I mean tunas are generally pretty chill just swimming around
 
@Magisch Tuna opened the Java can, and was suddenly aware of his inevitable future.
 
@Magisch Quite simple. See the list of Java questions. Spot the answered ones with well upvoted answers. Close them all as dupes.
My last hour activity
 
2:05 PM
Answering dupes, when you're in a popular technology like java, thats part of the game
I dont even think there could be many non-dupes there anymore
 
@πάνταῥεῖ just backoff a bit, I do agree with LRiO that it is on-topic. It looks like the plugin stuff that generates the project template is barking. Based on the other question I linked to it only happens for one specific project template.
On SU that question will be useless
 
@rene Okey I see.
@rene Mark LRIO's last comment as obsolete please. I have to admit I'm slightly drunk and didn't read the OP's comment correctly.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ok, you have had enough beer for the weekend. Next week you can have another one...
 
@rene SMD ;)
 
Plop!
 
2:15 PM
drunk at 16:00. That's some effort!
 
@Kyll Plop!
 
@Kyll qolQ! Flag me pls.
 
@Kyll \o
 
@Adriaan TBH I didn't get sober from last night :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ even more dedication. @rene will buy you your next beer I guess
 
2:19 PM
The less moderators the more harsh discussion goes on: stackoverflow.com/questions/40193141/…
 
@Adriaan By the looks of it I better order a barrel for them...
assuming barrel is the English translation for the Dutch word fust
 
@rene Bottle of whiskey additionally pls.
 
@rene What use is there in an empty barrel?
 
Oh, now you try to up-market your need for alcohol?
 
@rene would work, though usually it's keg ;)
 
2:24 PM
@rene And a big bag of weed pls
 
@M.A.R. I just learned I need so say keg
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You're going the way of Wolf of SOCVR
 
Party at @rene's house upcoming apparently :D
 
@rene Coffee is better?
 
sure
 
2:25 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ if it's Irish, sure!
 
@rene You know my avatar, do you?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you'll have to do it with the smell of the coffee shop across the street.
 
^That
Me plantz saiz they'll need another 6-8 week :/
Sucks
@M.A.R. Howl?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That was nice. Have a star.
 
<<< ^ Blushes.
 
Mh, currently fetching data about what happened to Dyn yesterday
 
@Kyll So, what happened really? Who were the attackers?
 
3:04 PM
@Kyll No flagging in turn of my offence to @rene? Hey, you're a room owner now!
 
@M.A.R. Not sure.
 
@Kyll 'Not sure' sounds like a dangerous group of hackers.
Were they Indian? :P
Anybody remember the Indian hacker incident?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It would be incredibly hard to actually offence rene. And, should it ever occur, I probably wouldn't be needed for the aftermath =p
 
@Adriaan I almost always garnish such with a DV
 
@Kyll Total obliteration doesn't need math
@Adriaan Would someone edit that damn 'doubts' from the title?
Ugh.
 
3:06 PM
@M.A.R. Soil and water then?
 
It's cancerous.
 
@M.A.R. I have doubts
5
 
Eating rene's doubts
@πάνταῥεῖ I guess not. Rene is fully grown.
Prolly.
 
yes
 
3:08 PM
Flowerdoubts is a lot like Sauerkraut
 
@rene Ya, know I didn't really meant to offend you. Just saving myself.
 
They're both sour
 
Offends rene FOR SCIENCE
 
@AndrewLi The correct pH value of the soil is an important parameter.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Voluntarily removed by its author
 
3:15 PM
@M.A.R. Yup. That was great so.
 
^mercy kill
 
@Drew k
@Drew Yes
 
Already burned by 50 down votes...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ closed almost 100 cpp yesterday
 
Huh? You get 50 votes? I thought we get only 40
 
3:27 PM
@BhargavRao nah 50 CVs, 40 reviews
 
I meant the up and down votes.
 
oh maybe 40
 
Tuna has successfully built confusion from scratch.
 
\o/
 
@Drew Where do you get all that close votes from? From your volunteers?
 
3:29 PM
I go bug people
 
@Drew You seem to be good at it ;)
 
Screenshot for the mortals..? — Kyll 4 mins ago
@Kyll the poster of the meta post is a mortal as well.
 
afk
 
Thanks @BhargavRao
 
What's the exact quote from the film 300, where he tells something like "I am a kind lord, I need you to only bend"?
 
3:44 PM
I didn't watch it.
They bashed it so much . . .
The critics, I mean.
 
That would have suited as a perfect reply for Kyll's message.
 
=p
Welp, my first MSO answer in weeks
 
@Kyll You dropped a 'coming' in your last phrase
Lasers coming soon
 
How so?
 
It should have been: "Lasers coming (not) soon" I guess
 
3:50 PM
Biggest unformatted code dump I've ever seen on my last CV request
 
@AndrewLi First time I mix 3 auto-comments in one
 
@Kyll 'Twas needed.
 
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