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4:04 PM
where is it
 
@TimCastelijns Go on then, lets us see it.... :P
 
It had been discussed it many times,
We needed a place to keep all of our rhymes.
A place we could call our treasure chest.
So gunr made a start, and Sam did the rest.

The reason for this poem is celibratory.
It was not the first on this earth,
but today, we gave birth
to the SOCVR poetry repository!
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Now we just need a bot which you point to a poem and it adds it to the repo
(no, not really, don't be lazy)
 
Sam
@TimCastelijns Nice
 
From the minds of devs and techs
Pour out scores of lines of text
But there's no colon, tab or slash
It's just our poetry winter bash!
4
gj @Tim!
 
4:11 PM
Soon after all the winter poetry glam,
Let's start afresh, a new summer slam
 
Sam
Say "front" or "rear" if you love waffles.
 
front
 
rear
 
Sam
Btw, if I missed anyone's poem, feel free to ping me/make a PR.
 
@Sam Why not give permissions to add? You'll be reducing your "stress"!
 
4:13 PM
@DavidG you can make fancier sentences, with your english and stuff :P
 
Sam
@BhargavRao You'd have to ask @gunr that.
 
I can add people to the repository, I just need usernames on github
 
Lol, @Sam write a bot to that ^
 
Sam
I have a better idea.
I'll make a bot, to make all the bots you guys need.
And then I'll make a bot to fix all the bugs.
 
Yeah! That's perfect.
 
4:17 PM
And thus was Skynet born.
 
Sam
Skynet's on our side, to help obliterate all the trash we close.
 
(adding people to a new team on GH, sorry if you get spammed with messages)
 
Look ma, I made the front page (cool Sam :) )
 
Speaking of teams, am I eligible to be a part of the SO team for SOCVR?
 
yes
 
4:21 PM
Is there an "eligibility test"?
 
yes
 
You need to be a contributor to the bots/userscripts or something
 
Wow. Nice ...
How about cheering people and tricking them to make bots?
 
If you have to ask you failed the test :)
 
user3956566
night all
 
4:22 PM
Ciao!
 
user3956566
:D
 
Bonne nuit!
 
@TimCastelijns is awesome :D, but the graphical libraries are a bit tricky to use :p
 
python at the core is not really meant for graphics, but nice that you like it :)
 
@Thaillie Which ones are you trying to use?
 
4:26 PM
@BhargavRao Tkinter
 
Lol :P
 
Tim said it was easy to use :p
 
I have had lots of problems with that. Porting tops the list.
It is easy but not up to the mark.
 
iirc I gave you a link that says tkinker is easier and pyqt is more advanced
I wouldn't know, have not used either
 
I just dropped the graphical part for now :p, so I just made a twitch bot that logs to a database and does some chat cleanup and auto ban/timeout :p
 
4:30 PM
@TimCastelijns You've tried wx?
(For windoze)
 
@BhargavRao nope. I only use python for appengine and small scripts to test stuff
 
user4639281
4:48 PM
Boo!
 
Foo!
 
Loo!
 
@TinyGiant It is linked to in this meta as a good answer example
 
Nice :)
 
user4639281
4:51 PM
Oh, lulz. I didn't even read the linked examples there before commenting.
 
le sigh
 
I never knew snarky comments in profile page actually lead to some stuff.
It works actually :P
 
@TinyGiant and any other Javascript pros! Help me! stackoverflow.com/questions/34440307/…
 
@Mogsdad Nice question. For the Userscript?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad why haven't we been doing Q&A for the rest of the editor?
 
4:54 PM
@BhargavRao Yes, in fact.
 
user4639281
That's like... rep.
 
inorite?!
 
@TinyGiant For the trickiest problems, it's hard to formulate an on-topic question, because you'd need 2K lines of code!
 
user4639281
Yeah.
 
4:57 PM
Wow - a close vote for no MCVE? Really?
In JAVASCRIPT?!
 
fpu
 
@Mogsdad I am surprised you are not at +20 already. IDK why someone would CV that.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad commented. Some people don't know what close votes are for.
 
Is that question a duplicate though? Of the linked answer stackoverflow.com/questions/1288291/…
 
user4639281
@ryanyuyu that's a c# question
 
user4639281
5:03 PM
Also, downloading wikipedia and going based on what wikipedia has used isn't a very good solution. What if wikipedia made a mistake?
 
@Mogsdad Still, isn't it more of a grammar question (figuring out grammar/pronunciation rules for this specific matter) than a programming one? Or did I miss something?
 
user1017882
I linked that answer for reference, I don't believe it's a duplicate - although porting the concept over to JS shouldn't be a problem.
 
@ryanyuyu - Given that the OP of that "duplicate" question put 0 effort into it, the tongue-in-cheek answer suggesting the download of tonnes of data was not unexpected. I don't think the question is a dup, though.
 
@TinyGiant I agree that the solution is not great.
 
user4639281
It has to do with identifying sounds based on the first consonant and subsequent vowels.
 
5:05 PM
@Kyll How to codify the rules. Soundex looks interesting, for example.
 
hello
 
user4639281
Hi
 
Sure, this current question has an actual attempt of doing stuff. If the other had been adequately answered, would it have been appropriate though. This deals more with the English language than javascript vs C#.
 
hello
 
5:07 PM
I guess it's also possible to reverse duplication if this question actually gets good answers.
 
user4639281
@ryanyuyu But the question is asking for an implementation, and providing a good starting point. If the question had been adequately asked and answered, an answer in a different language would not help because it would be code in a different language.
 
user1017882
I can't think of a clever way around this other than generating an exhaustive list of words for 'an'. And since that, in itself, could be a mammoth task - it makes sense to simply take it from a resource that's dealt with this manually. I think that's where the wikipedia idea came from, although I'd take it with a pinch of salt. The concept of taking example from something is valid though, which is why I linked the answer. Soundex is not designed for such tasks.
 
Ok yeah. That makes sense
 
There's an almost-duplicate in Python as well. It's got a couple of answers that are behind my starting point, and one that I can't translate.
 
user4639281
@JᴀʏMᴇᴇ Wikipedia is by people, people make mistakes. That is not a good solution
 
user4639281
5:08 PM
Using soundex would be a much better solution because it is actually based on sounds.
 
Now... if it was by PROGRAMMERS, there'd be no mistakes!
 
user1017882
@TinyGiant - which is why I posted it as a comment and not the answer. Wikipedia is reviewed by more people than your code will be.
 
Bugs, yes. But no mistakes.
 
I think this is a good edit, because it explains what the OP did. But someone voted to reject (intended to address the author). What do you think, is it a valid edit or not?
 
@Mogsdad They're not bugs but really "features" right?
 
user4639281
5:10 PM
@honk I don't know where the additional text came from. The comment sucks, I would reject it.
 
@ryanyuyu Just dress them up right!
 
@honk well if it's factually correct then sure approve it.
 
user4639281
@JᴀʏMᴇᴇ Wikipedia is also much much much larger than the code would be for that. The likelihood of there being a mistake in all of wikipedia is much higher than there being a problem with soundex.
 
user4639281
I'm not saying that is the best solution, but using wikipedia as a bible has to be the worst idea.
 
user4639281
Wow, somehow it got another vote for No MCVE. Are the voters blind or something?
 
5:14 PM
Would it improve my question if I clarified that the intent is for proof-reading SO posts? (I'm not sure it would, but...) The scope of English is far narrower here than in the general world. I'm not looking for perfection - after all, the posts aren't perfect to start with. But I want to avoid false positives in, say, 85% of the cases.
 
user1017882
@TinyGiant - it's the worst idea if you don't implement it properly. You say there could be mistakes - but you dramatically reduce the likelihood of that if you iterate over the same word you believe to have the wrong 'a' or 'an' and check with the other occurrences of it.
 
@TinyGiant CVQ.
 
@TinyGiant, @ryanyuyu: Thanks, I see it's quite borderline, but the majority rejected it.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Ahh robo-reviewers
 
@honk I'd have rejected that too!
 
5:15 PM
@honk I would have rejected it as there is no indication where that text came from.
 
@TinyGiant We only love them when they agree with us!
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Always :)
 
@NathanOliver So, how is the rule? If it is not clear that the added text comes from the OP, then reject?
 
Sam
@yam stats
 
Yam
Posts being watched: 78. Posts pending review: 0.
 
5:18 PM
@honk Yes. The editor is stuffing words in the users mouth. If they were adding from a comment and said so in the edit comment then I would double check and if it is true then accept. If they are just adding more to it then I reject. They can always comment to the user to add more explanation if it is lacking something.
 
user4639281
@honk Yes. It's not our job to click through to the post to check the comments and search high and low to find the source of the text. It is the editors job to supply a useful edit comment.
 
@honk it is ok to edit the post to add more information. To an extent. If you think this is the case, you are now responsible for judging the technical accuracy of the edit (in addition to the usual stuff). I usually skip.
 
@NathanOliver, @TinyGiant, @ryanyuyu: Thanks, I understand. Will keep that in mind.
 
Sam
@TimCastelijns My naa flag was declined btw.
Not surprised tbh.
 
@Drew :)
 
5:28 PM
much better
 
@Sam :(
 
Sam
Ik :/
 
I didn't vote, but I'm interested in your opinion again: Is this edit adding an irrelevant tag or is it a good meta-tag?
Nevermind, the OP accepted...
 
@honk Personally I skip tag only edits.
 
@NathanOliver I'm currently doing the same, but I'm trying to learn something ;)
 
5:56 PM
Yay! Another hat to end the day :)
 
@BhargavRao 39 hats now?
 
@cybermonkey Lol! 33 is the highest network wide. I've got 31
Lead by 6 hats.
 
Sam
Nice
 
Now I need to ask a question via phone. Thinking of a nice question... :/
 
@BhargavRao Can I haz de codez?
 
6:01 PM
Lol :P Can I haz teh full codez of stacked change?
Well do anyone else remember someone posting "stacked change" instead of "stack exchange"?
 
6:19 PM
grrr out of delete votes already
 
15 ain't enough, rite?
 
I need 150 or so
 
Srsly
 
Just let me delete all the things and then with only 15 undelete votes per day bring back the stuff that is worth it...
 
New milestone. My first closed question. Remember - in you must only ask duplicates or things that can be answered by google searches.
 
6:26 PM
You're welcome
We serve everyone equal
 
@Mogsdad Your question was closed?
 
as too broad
 
@NathanOliver Yep.
It could have at least waited until +10 so I'd get a hat!
 
Wow. That takes some work in ;)
 
Is "wow your question was closed" the new "wow your question isn't crap"? An equivalent to the mythical unicorn that deletes bad questions nightly
 
Sam
Nice
I thought they abandoned that.
 
@rene You must have been napping earlier
5 hours ago, by Bhargav Rao
Did anybody notice the new timeline page?
 
:(
still no link to it in the UI?
 
Unfortunately not. I guess they only want the cool kids using it ;)
 
lol
 
6:57 PM
@NathanOliver I find it uglier
harder to use
 
It is cool though that it links to reviews. see this one stackoverflow.com/posts/34441930/timeline
 
^ that actually
The older one was a bit confusing also
 
That means I no longer have to use my script \o/
 
Breaking news - @rene to shut shop as no longer any takers for his user script
 
^^ huzzah
 
7:01 PM
use whatever you want, just focus on .net and c#
 
le sigh
 
knew it
What's the best way to get more views on a question?
 
swear, then edit quickly in grace period
 
Sam
@BhargavRao Post it under Jon Skeet's account.
 
Lol... I need 1000 views in a week .... So I will hafta do that I guess
 
7:06 PM
no worries. I will do an edit on one of yours for you
 
I just realized opening it in incognito increase view count!
 
@BhargavRao Leagaly? Bounty. Illegally? Whatever this guy is doing:meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/300470/… (see deleted answer)
 
I am thinking of starting a bounty. But 2 problems. 1. My own question 2. My own answer
 
0
Q: The new post timeline view changes alignment when line items are expanded

TylerHWith the recent update of the post timeline page coming out today, I've noticed a bug. Steps to reproduce: Go to a question's timeline page. For example: this one. Click on the arrow near any "edited" lines to expand the edited preview of the post. You'll notice that the timeline shifts to ...

Found a layout bug
hoping it's a bug. If it's intentional then I want to slap whoever designed it
 
then delete your answer
I might open a bounty on it
 
7:11 PM
-1 I can read that red free-hand text with no effort
 
@gunr2171 darn. I tried hard to make it look like a 2nd grader wrote it
 
@Drew Lol! Sure :P
 
not that hard since I'm left handed and using a mouse on the right side
 
I'm left handed as well! :O
 
7:12 PM
@BhargavRao you get a badge for opening a bounty on your own question and assign it to your own question
 
@NathanOliver I still didn't understand how he got that many views. Read that whole stuff... Have a Tl;Dr? (Where was he sharing the link? To spamsters?)
 
@NathanOliver thanks, looks like it's FF only
 
@TylerH I already have the badge :(
 
@NathanOliver see comment. Firefox is not playing nice
 
@BhargavRao As far as I could tell he was sharing links to his stuff on some sort of link sharing service. I cannot say for sure that is what is going on but reading between the lines that is my conclusion.
 
7:15 PM
There is a lot of carefully deleted comment stuff there!
 
Oh nice, 10k users can now search deleted:1 to find their own deleted posts
 
@TylerH Nice
 
that would've been handy in the past
(of course I am still not at 10k...)
 
Anyway, I'll just wait to see if I can get some views. 100 per day must be enuf!
 
@NathanOliver you have Father Christmas to thank for that, apparently
17
A: Enable searching with deleted:1 for 10k users

Father ChristmasWe recently enabled searching for own deleted content for 10k users as a result of this suggestion. Note that you can still see your own deleted content on your profile for 60 days. This privilege enhancement gives you access to older content that you own. Jeff's concern with allowing people to ...

 
7:16 PM
Fine then, I'll take leave.
Bye o/
 
Later
 
Bye
@TylerH there is also a bug atm in that functionality...
 
What is that?
 
Couldn't you at one point view someone else's deleted posted using deleted:1?
 
@rene which one?
@KevinBrown I don't think so. You've never been able to search for deleted posts before as a regular user
10k users have almost always been able to see them if they land upon them, though
 
7:22 PM
@KevinBrown yes you can see :all
 
@TylerH in theory with 10K deleted:1 one could use SO as source and version control :P
 
I don't use source control so I don't see how :-P
 
There is a user out there that is spamming a bunch of tag wiki edits. Me thinks he is trying to get a badge.
 
bet undo would love that one
 
@NathanOliver link?
 
7:30 PM
@MadaraUchiha This is one of many.
 
Sam
@NathanOliver I've also noticed an anon user flooding the queue with macro tag edits.
 
@MadaraUchiha If you can see my skipped review history there are many more.
 
Sam
Probably not relevant, but still.
 
I hear you
 
what's the rules on tag edit suggestions? You need 5k to vote to approve?
wiki tag edit suggestions, that is
 
7:33 PM
@gunr2171 Yes
 
Sam
Yeah, 5k.
 
20K is automatic I believe
 
so it's weird, I voted to reject, when I had less rep
 
Maybe they rounded your rep up?
 
idk
 
Sam
7:35 PM
> gunr2171, breaking all the things since 2011.
 
@MadaraUchiha Are you looking into the edits? I am just skipping them to get to actual edits.
 
@NathanOliver I've passed it on, I'm a bit busy at the moment
 
@MadaraUchiha No problem.
 
@Sam If I moved this message to the trash, is it more proof?
 
Sam
sigh more tag-only edits from other users.
@gunr2171 Depends if you find more stuff to brake.
 
7:37 PM
:P
btw, I'm working on a mock-up for the poetry site
 
Sam
Nice
 
almost ready for showing off
 
@NathanOliver They won't be contributing any more of those for a while. I rejected the worst of them.
 
Sam
@BradLarson Can I ask a question about commenting on an offending editor's post?
Namely, is it better to do so before flagging them?
 
7:48 PM
@MadaraUchiha stop dropping a meteor on those peoples' heads and do your job! sheesh
 
@TylerH oi
Santa has a nice list and a naughty list
I have a meteor list
Don't be on it.
 
@BradLarson Thank you. There was a ton of them so I figured I would say something. I appreciate the work you guys do.
 
@Sam Sure, it's a good way to let them know what they're doing wrong. Even if we ban them from edits, they get no context to that. I often provide comments or in worst cases a mod message to let them know what's wrong.
 
Sam
Ok, I'll carry on then. :)
 
@NathanOliver To be honest, I wasn't entirely sure rejecting wiki edits would lead to an edit ban for a user of their reputation level, so I learned something today.
 
7:50 PM
Remember my deleted JavaScript question? I have a working answer, here. Is it worthwhile trying to reopen the question?
 
@BradLarson Yeah Learning. So does it lead to a blanket edit ban or just tag wikis?
 
Don't know about that one. Guessing just tag wikis.
 
@Mogsdad sure
 
@MadaraUchiha fine -_-
 
@Mogsdad I think it worth while to have. I have voted to reopen
 
7:56 PM
@Mogsdad maybe edit in that you're fine with an 80% solution to counter the nit pickers about the English dropped h and stuff ?
 
@rene But my solution covers all those cases!
 
Yes, that would be the beauty of the question and your self-answer
 
Would it be worth editing to refer to the other question they pointed at, asking for a practical implementation? (Because that's what I have!)
 
You ask for less and you get more
@Mogsdad that will work as well
 
why not just delete the question, and make a wiki Q and wiki A
 
8:03 PM
 
Question has been edited. Working on answer...
 
oneboxing and such, but the joke's too good not to be oneboxed
 
@cybermonkey That's plagiarism, isn't it? (I think we've seen that here before...)
Also... I have it implemented in the Magic Editor already!
 
@Mogsdad great artists steal
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
8:07 PM
Posts being watched: 77. Posts pending review: 0.
 
yam lost a post
 
Sam
He auto-removes deleted posts.
 
what a smart bot he is
 
Sam
he gets it from his dad
Another day, another batch of typos.
 
typos FTW
 
Sam
8:11 PM
TYpo al teh tings!
 
And then get Waffels ;)
 
Sam
Ofc, we can't forget that.
 
@Sam @DavidG @TimCastelijns codepen.io/anon/pen/EPgaEY?editors=110
crap, need to finish the footer
 
hmm that description is in Latin
I can't seem to read it
 
Need on more reopen vote. Answer waiting in buffer. Won't be able to leave for the holidays until I hit ctrl-V.
 
8:19 PM
@Mogsdad reopen or undelete?
 
Just reopen, thanks.
 
link?
 
That would require emptying my buffer - but nice try.
 
@gunr2171 yes, I was making a joke :-)
 
8:20 PM
ok, just checking
 
thank you though
 
Sam
Screw that actually.
 
@Sam for now this is just an idea of the home page. We can certainly have a "show all poems" page with that
 
so people here have started writing poems? Or what
 
Sam
8:21 PM
@gunr2171 Sure
 
and footer done
 
You know you're using the wrong tool when your preprocessor code requires more lines than the compiled CSS...
 
It has been going on for a month or 2 now
 
Sam
@TylerH We moved all the poems we've wrote to GH.
 
I want to submit a poem
 
8:22 PM
@TylerH meh
this is just a quick mock-up, and I hate writing vanilla css
 
oh
 
@gunr2171 looks good :) thanks for the effort
 
are they all joke poems about the CV room/Stack overflow?
 
@Sam If I have a missed one, do i just add it to the repo myself?
 
@gunr2171 blasphemy, vanilla CSS or bust
 
8:23 PM
@Mogsdad yes, go for it
 
Sam
@Mogsdad Yeah
 
Also Vanilla JS or bust.
 
Sam
I only did a quick search through the history, so I've probably missed a few.
 
I have a poem that I wrote in like 6th grade but it's unrelated to closey, voting, stack overflow, etc.
 
@TylerH can be, but mostly we just rhyme about current events
Joking about something that just happened for example
 
8:25 PM
ah
well, whenever I am back at my home computer, I'll submit it anyway
the only one I'm really proud of from back when I was an emo teen and wrote poetry and stuff like that
 
Sure :P does it rhyme?
 
yes
abab scheme
 
Nice, ping me when its up
Nice I often do abba or aabb
 
@TimCastelijns so I just need to say what I want in segments / just as a sample?
 
It's probably still posted online from when I included it in a popular Elder Scrolls mod
but that version is altered a bit to be lore-friendly, IIRC
 
8:28 PM
@gunr2171 in a poem you mean?
 
@Sam Done, sent pull request.
 
@TimCastelijns eh, I tried to hijack what you said and complete the "poem", sort of failed
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Beaten by 12 seconds.
 
har har har
 
Hahahaha I did not get that, but now that I do.. nice :P
 
8:30 PM
What about group poems? I noticed I had 2 lines of "Night within Hatmas", but there were more...
 
Sam
Feel free to consolidate anything I've messed up.
 
"group poems", what is this, Who's Line is it Anyways?
 
-s
 
I love that show
 
"Things you can say to your dog, but not to your wife" - "come"
 
8:34 PM
/facepalm, also because I remember watching that clip
 
Always liked that one, but that's about all I know :P never watched it
 
@TimCastelijns love that episode
I love them all frankly
 
@Mogsdad I'm inviting you to the org so you can commit straight to master
 
@gunr2171 Yay! I'm a poet now!
Don't anybody go have a cow.
 
Why would I want a cow?
 
8:44 PM
Trolling?
 
good point
 
Don't get Simpson's references?
 
nope
 
@gunr2171 cows == steak && steak == good
 
Mmmm. Meat.
 
Sam
8:45 PM
Don't forget the free milk and cheese.
 
yeah, but that involves work
 
only from girl cows
 
aren't boy "cows" called bulls?
 
Sam
Wait, when did cows have genders?
 
Are girl bulls... wait for it...
 
Sam
8:46 PM
My little picture book didn't tell me this!
 
"Gerbils"?
Wow. Wish I could take that back.
 
rofl
 
@Mogsdad inb4 cimmanon punches you in the face
2
 
Sam
rofl
 

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