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12:11 AM
Looking at rebol.net, it seems that it consists of a bunch of blog entries and then the rest is consumed by the php wiki software
Has anyone written rebol scripts to pull all the data out of the wiki?
Do we really need that wiki still?
( as opposed to the data in the wiki )
 
 
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1:13 AM
@GrahamChiu that looks like a media wiki. it must have all its articles in mysql
 
It's not responding to the api commands
www.rebol.net/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&titles=Main%20Page&prop=revisio‌​ns&rvprop=content
 
1:24 AM
I remember walking thru the whole of the wiki and porting it to another wiki when we were looking at alternatives. I had access at that time to one of Carl's vms I think.
Dammed if I can find my code now!
 
1:54 AM
I could run the spider tool I have to assess the existing links/pages. I would usually ask permission before I ran it though...
 
2:12 AM
there is a special allpages
I think we can use that to grab all the pages
 
Also:
(Phone, so no real chatting, sorry :)
 
Yes, you can use that to export single pages but use the allpages to find out which ones
 
Yep
 
now to convince @rgchris to write a mediapedia to asciidoc converter :)
 
I disapprove of AsciiDoc.
 
2:23 AM
can use pandoc for that
(convert media wiki to anything/markdown/asciidoc)
 
@GrahamChiu I've looked at the MediaWiki format—looks even worse than AsciiDoc...
 
@rgchris it is
 
MediaWiki stinks.
 
Might be better just scraping the HTML :)
 
(and I've to take you up on the asciidoc disapproval tomorrow.)
 
2:25 AM
I did the conversion a few years ago ... just have to find my code then
 
As you wish...
 
use pandoc, does the conversion for you :)
 
@earl pandoc? I just uninstalled it from my drive 30 mins ago!
from memory most, but not all of the wiki, is at the first level
 
 
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4:07 AM
I have an idea for a function I should try to write
 
Shoot...
 
4:32 AM
No idea what to call it because compose is taken
But the idea is this: myfunction [do reverse] should be equivalent to func [b] [do reverse b]
For all varieties of plain functions in the block passed
Determining how many arguments needed, etc.
Incidentally, is there a gensym equivalent in REBOL? Need to make unique words somehow
Could call it Factor, named after the language
 
 
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9:03 AM
the wiki on www.rebol.net seems to resist a scripted login :(
@Henrik I believe you wrote some tools to work with wth mediawiki site on rebol.net?
 
9:55 AM
Good morning|afternoon|evening|night, everyone!
So, what did I miss?
I just came across a presentation from Jerry Tsai, who switched to Rebol years ago. I guess you all already know it, but I find it refreshing! [link text] (sites.google.com/site/cnrebol/home/xia-zai-lie-biao/…)
I think slide #29 reflects quite well the feelings I had, first time I used Rebol.
 
10:15 AM
Jerry's blog is linked here in the keys
 
10:28 AM
@rebolek In case you weren't aware, when I tested the text-table in the latest gui, there's an error on using E on an integer cell, and shifted E on any cell.
 
@GrahamChiu Thanks for report. I was on vacation last week, so no progress yet, but I will look into this issue this week.
 
I see in some of those demos you showed Pekr, the scroller size was fixed .. but it's still too long in the version released yesterday :(
 
Yes, the new "skin" is not part of R3GUI yet. I'll talk to Robert about including it into distribution.
 
@pierre Hard to say, I'm still trying to read the backlog myself.
 
11:02 AM
@rebolbot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.37 3-Jun-2013
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: {Redirect to a protocol different from HTTP not supported}
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
@gunaseelan Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ.
 
11:15 AM
@rebolek - how far are you with new skin? And could it be similar in its look to NLPP? E.g. no such gradients on buttons, you showed me last time? Maybe you could post some screenshot publicly, so that more ppl could express their opinion?
 
@pekr As I said, no progress last week because of vacation but I'll be working on the skin a bit this week. I guess I will make two variants, flat and gradient.
Last week's examples:
[flat](http://www.iluminat.cz/rebol/flat-gui.png)
[gradients](http://www.iluminat.cz/rebol/grad-gui3.png)
Hm, why it's not converted to links?
 
Those links do work ...
 
Yes, but the MD syntax should make links from "flat" and "gradients". Nevermind, we need R3 chat with makedoc support ;)
 
11:51 AM
@RebolBot
print {I do look nicer with that margin, but how is it on the left?}
 
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>> print {I do look nicer with that margin, but how is it on the left?}
I do look nicer with that margin, but how is it on the left?
 
I approve.
 
12:10 PM
0
Q: Do sphirion Rebol3 builds allow editable styled text?

ingoI have a an idea for a rebol script I want to write, but for this I need styled editable text. Does the current saphirion Rebol3 build contain the ability for styled editable text?

 
I just asked a saphirion question for Robert.
 
12:42 PM
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: {Redirect to a protocol different from HTTP not supported}
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
@talonmies Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ.
 
@rebolek Markdown formatting is disabled for multi-line messages (when you use Shift-Enter). So just post Markdown links in separate messages, and it will work.
 
@earl Thanks. It's something new or was it always this way?
 
@rebolek it was not like that at the beginning, so i guess HF configured it later on
 
@rebolek I think it's always been this way. But at least I forget about it ~once a month :)
 
:) OK, I will keep it in mind (until I forget about it ;)
 
12:55 PM
it was definitely auto-formatting at the beginning, because i remember, i was surprised about it
 
@onetom You noticed the "within multi-line messages" restriction?
(Or call it "hard-wrapped" messages.)
 
how can i misinterpret it?
there is a "fixed font" button next to the send button if i shift-enter to a 2nd line in 1 message. before that everything but the 1st line was automatically treated as "source code"
 
I think your second message to this chat room already demonstrates nicely that this behaviour has been this way for a while :)
Dec 2 '12 at 17:03, by onetom
@HostileFork _thanks_, **man**
im digesting the [picolisp book](https://github.com/tj64/picolisp-works) now (just trying the linking functionality ;)
-- and im trying the `Edit` function now
 
:)
Why is disabled for multiline?
 
No idea. Have to ask the guys and gals at StackExchange.
 
1:14 PM
oh, you were missing the formatting, not expecting the special chars to be preserved from the 2nd line onwards... okay, got it.
where did u get the chat logs, btw? i wanted to quote too
 
@Earl - have you met Doc in Vienna? :-)
 
ah, room v / full transcript, right?
 
@onetom Transcript link at the top, or search field at the top right, yes.
@pekr Yep :)
 
Hope you had some good dinner, beer and hacking :-)
 
Had a long and nice chat & dinner, yes.
But very little beer :)
 
1:19 PM
I believe Doc will have some new plans in his head, after he is back :-)
 
@ingo ;) After all, reading backlog on this chat may be more time consuming than chatting on AltMe...
@pekr So, if I understand well (I browsed very quickly in history), Doc is able to go to Montréal? How does he feel about it? Super-happy, I suppose.
 
1:34 PM
@pierre - we don't know yet, Doc was on short vacation, is supposed to return today. Maybe he does not know yet about that :-)
 
@pekr Ah! Ok, I suppose he will pop up here, at some time, then.
@johnk Neat talk! You seemed to look at one fellow in particular in the assistance: did he come and join us here? Did some other Linux fellows from SLUG come here?
 
1:56 PM
I also have the feeling that SO chat reading is more timeconsuming than Altme one.
 
@DideC That's what starring is for. If it's not starred, it's probably not important. Don't forget to vote with your stars :-)
You can also get an RSS feed from search terms. So you could see, for instance, if people are talking behind your back :-)
I'd encourage people to use these features, and embrace institutional knowledge, and forget about "catching up".
If it's important, make it a Q&A or an issue in the bug tracker, whatever we decide upon. (CureCode, still, for now)
@Erick You have returned, I dunno if you're a Reboler or not! But we can't do anything for your reputation if you don't ask or answer a question! Please consider asking a question or perhaps answering something in tagged in your area of expertise. 20 points is truly easy to get. :-)
 
@DideC - yes - no separate and easy switchable rooms for different topics, no private messaging, no file sharing, no private rooms for multiple persons. But we are here from two reasons - because of public visibility, and to please @HostileFork :-)
 
@pekr That gets a star. :-P
 
maybe the fact that we dont have a topic here just allows more rambling?...
:) to please HF
 
There are switchable rooms, we are going to eval that now that everyone is here. An invite only room for dev is likely in a few days.
 
2:06 PM
@onetom - I am not sure ... but really - we are now just in one room. There are some related topics, as well as free chat, all intermixed. Looking at Altme can easily reveal, that at least 12 groups were used since yesterday, so it serves better topic separation ...
 
im on a mac and altme hurts my eyes, besides making me feel like throw up, especially on a retina display....
 
I think "80s cash register" is an apt description. I'm good with catch-phrases.
My LEGO alligator talk is forthcoming.
 
"80s cash register" had big fonts at least... altme doesn't
 
Well, Carl asked out loud basically why would anyone be using AltME anymore, and that made me happy
Unfortunately he sort of tied that in with "why does anyone care about Rebol anymore". Not in so many words.
We'll win him back at the conference.
@RebolBot
foo: "Is this still a bug? Should I report it?"
protect/hide 'foo
print foo
 
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>> foo: "Is this still a bug?  Should I report it?" protect/hide 'foo print foo
Is this still a bug?  Should I report it?
 
2:12 PM
Dammit.
@RebolBot
print {Sorry.}
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> print "Sorry."
Sorry.
 
How people feeling about the new RebolBot icon?
 
r3 chat was flaky when i was trying it and even when it worked i just couldn't navigate around it easily. when reading more than writing, mouse (trackpad) navigation is just more convenient, just as proportional fonts. for me thats why altme is better than r3 chat.
it just looks shit.
that's the only problem.
 
@pekr I know you weren't the biggest fan in the beginning, but a quote I had the other day was that I didn't design the Rebol logo. I solved it. I now cannot think of anything else, it's like the end of a certain line of thinking. The Red logo I have less confidence in, as it's only a vision and I haven't seen it drawn the way I want yet. I just believe it can be drawn.
 
otherwise it's awesome how little bandwidth does it require and how quickly does it reconnect and stuff like that
 
2:18 PM
@onetom Dealbreaker for me is how many machines I move between and it didn't sync
Local database and the Rebol4 world is because Rebol3 filled up, I dunno. These are fairly large indictments.
 
oh, im not aware of any syncing problems... :/ i haven't used it enough then probably...
 
I have like six computers
Hopefully I will have less soon, I have to pare down
Can't fit them in the car!
 
@onetom It's certainly possible to write R3GUI or HTML frontend for R3 chat. Unfortunately there's no documentation for the data format, so it's time-consuming work.
 
Especially the "doorstop mac"...
You can throw your back out lifting it
I'm going to TRY and leave it with someone here to build the PowerPC Mac Rebol, but it's tough to give this thing away
The only people who want them are casemodders
Who rip out the lousy processors and put a modern motherboard in it because they want a doorstop computer made out of aluminum for some strange reason.
Sounds like a jet engine
 
@pierre There's a "Got to your last post" somewhere. But I only find it on occasion.
 
2:23 PM
@ingo Scroll up to the top, go to your last message is by "load older messages"
 
@ingo Just scroll all the way up, it's second button there.
 
Now, if you always post something valuable before leaving, your good to find the last post, and anything new since then.
@hostilefork @rebolek Thanks, that was fast! With people like this, Rebol3 must be a winner.
 
@ingo yes; unfortunately, it usually tells me that my last message is too old. So all I do is "load older messages" until I read something I can remember of.
 
That's where the second part comes in :-)
 
@pierre Yes, there's some limit, like in AltME... ;P
 
2:26 PM
To me neither altme nor any SO chat is meant for only casually dropping by.
They're both OK, if you're in all the time (and on a single computer, in the case of Altme)
@earl thanks for correcting my typos, I'd better not tell you, that I already had 2 goes at correcting typos myself.
 
@ingo Hm. Yes. I do agree with you.
@HostileFork, I read something from you, I wanted to react, but then I can't find it anymore... If I remember well, you were saying that there was only future for Rebol, and there was few to no past.
Something like that... Did I daydream?
 
oh, so altme wont sync those messages onto a new computer which were already downloaded onto another one? or what is this syncing issue about? (i login 2-3 times a year only, so i haven't noticed)
 
2:42 PM
@onetom Altme always syncs all messages to every computer.
But it doesn't sync which messages you've read.
 
why? that info is stored locally?
 
@HostileFork Have you seen httphotos? digicamsoft.com/softhttphotos.html It was done by Gregg, I think. At the time, it was pretty good-looking, surprisingly for a Rebol/view application... Ican't remember when it came out, but that was when I was still Rebolling daily.
I think that is a good example, among others, of applications already existing in Rebol, and not too ugly.
 
@onetom yes
 
@pierre wasn't httphotos called ReViewer originally?
btw i've yet to find any convenient (cross platform) app for photo handling...
i would expect easy keyboard navigation, sorting into folders, renaming and maybe montage programmatically
does anyone know any app like that?
 
@onetom I've been happily using geeqie for years. Let me just find the URL... geeqie.sourceforge.net
 
2:57 PM
probably picasa is the closest but it's a monster
@pierre geeqie.sf.net -- having a look
 
@onetom It used to be called gqview. Light, easy, doesn't mess your files or copy them in some weird location.
 
yeah, gqview was my favourite too when i was using linux
 
Using it along with ImageMagick, with some customised scripts.
 
and i have built a photo gallery solution for biology students from http://spiegl.de/qiv/
qiv is just a few hundred kb. have nice shortcuts and handled the scroll wheel for flicking between images at extreme speed.
 
@onetom can't remember...
 
3:01 PM
i could tweak it easily to disable its save feature, so the students cant make copies for themselves to bring it home. (it was copyrighted material)
 
@onetom I don't think so: they are listed separately on this site: digicamsoft.com/news-fr.html Note that this same website hosts the French Rebol_Red forum.
Reviewer and httphotos were mentioned at rebol.net/devcon04 ; unfortunately, there are now some 404 errors... :-/ At least, no one will complain about outdated material... sigh...
 
3:37 PM
@pierre I'm not quite sure what you're referencing, but I will restate my overstated stance: every Rebol 2 codebase is absolutely irrelevant. Rebol is yet to be born. I ask for the "Rebol" brand to ditch this idea of "R2/R3" which is meaningless to any newcomer, I ask for "Rebol" as a brand to be a LOAD compatible system to Red. The End.
 
@HostileFork But Red has still long road to be usable, while R3 is here and working.
 
@HostileFork Not a bug.
Just something not immediately obvious going on, but it "works as designed".
1. Binding occurs during load-time.
1:    foo: 42
2:    protect/hide 'foo
3:    print foo
 
@HostileFork you know Hostile, I really like you but quotes like these are VERY wrong and offensive for alot of people. There is very little difference in R2 philosophy and in fact not everything in R3 is better in relation to the REBOL philosophy.
 
So after load, all three ocurrences of foo (set-word! in line 1, lit-word! in line 2, word! in line 3) in your script are already bound to their storage location.
Now protect/hide only influences future bindings, in as far as 'foo is now hidden so that in the future attempts to bind to it will fail.
However, it doesn't affect already established bindings.
That's why the above code will give you different results when run from a script (where all three lines/expressions are LOADed at once) and when run from a console where you enter each line/expression separately.
 
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: {Redirect to a protocol different from HTTP not supported}
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
@DexterWilliams Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ.
 
3:51 PM
@onetom - I use xnView as a basic picture viewer. Then I work with SW like LightRoom, onOne Photo Suite, but that is for professional retouching. If you need to generate nice web galleries, Jalbum is the ultimate choice imo ...
 
R3 is not a reboot. for me there is little to no real reason to switch, a part for a few enhancements in PARSE and the ability to use more than 2GB of Ram and 64 bits... not much of that has anything to do with "Rebol" its just normal evolution.
 
e.g. unicode? :-)
 
Bugs fixable :) ?
 
@pekr i second that. since i have a thai wife and lived a few month in japan and just today i had to unzip a chinese zip file... i must say unicode is fucking important
 
imo where R3 got maybe over the board was with the overcomplicated module system noone started to use. We imo never properly get that. Remember BrianH talking about all those protect/unprotec issues, etc. The only thing I can do is to believe him being right, that in other case Rebol is not safe to use ...
 
4:02 PM
@moliad If you say there's no real reason to switch than you have no real experience with R3.
 
has the language really changed?
 
without proper sandboxing there is no chance to fully exploit dialect based distributed computing WHILE keeping the simplicity, like being able to just 'DO remote code. just look at the tons of issues the web browsers have to deal with...
 
no multithreading (that's a game changing aspect)
 
@moliad the essence might have not changed but it's moving toward being as practical as r2 was, but on top of latest OS-es and free of the prejudice of being closed source...
 
12
A: How are words bound within a Rebol module?

BrianHOK, this is going to be a little tricky. In Rebol 3 there are no such things as system words, there are just words. Some words have been added to the runtime library lib, and set is one of those words, which happens to have a function assigned to it. Modules import words from lib, though what "i...

 
4:09 PM
wasn't the network and/or graphics component always a 2nd thread?
 
@pekr Petr, see above...
 
@moliad Does it need to really change? No. Does it needs improvements and fixes? Definitely yes.
 
i dont see much need for multi-threading other than having non-blocking gui & net. just use communicating processes for more complicated stuff.
 
@onetom yes, I agree, which is why I'm saying its just an evolution. Sorry, I forgot, there is ONE real new feature. extensions. for me that is the only reason worth spending countless hours updating code which will , in the end, do the exact same thing in an environment which does just about the same thing as before.
@onetom funny, I see the need everytime I work :-)
 
@moliad I guess there's no reason to rewrite everything for R3 when it works fine in R2. However starting new project in R2 instead of R3 is just a waste of time.
 
4:16 PM
some thing I really don't like the implementation. For all the work that went into modules, they still don't really add much beyond a make object with more advanced make spec options. no real sandbox, data hiding, protection from malicious code, etc. nothing within the core itself... most is built into the load function or module handling mezz code. I have all of that in R2 already.
@rebolek I agree completely. I'm not saying R2 is the future.. obviously not. just that people are a bit over hyping the evolution as a revolution.
 
well, this evolution keeps the flame of a possible rebolution alive...
 
the second real feature is that its open source. I hope to show something really nice at the devcon, though I'm not sure I'll have the time to build it.
 
@moliad Not sure who. To me, R3 is evolution, but I really don't want to go back.
 
I agree witht the gang here - we need to push R3 forward. The worst thing would be if R2 would be open-sourced too. Some ppl wold try to enhance it. We need to kill it, for a good, and proceed with R3 :-)
 
@pekr I agree with this in principle, but there are aspects of R2 that are lacking in R3: multi-line REPL (we'll get the source for that, hopefully), CALL (earl's working on this, I know), HTTPS (I know, I know...), still not sure about library access...
And there's the 'near field on errors...
(though I concede the 'where field is a vast improvement)
clipboard:// (though had to fix this for Mac)
 
4:26 PM
I know - few years ago I posted an article - What makes a good beta in wiki on rebol.net. That ugly bastard console almost killed R3 for me. Ditto for missing CALL - useless for many scenarios. Ditto for basic protocols like FTP, sending emails, etc.
 
R2 had HTTPS?
 
read yes... free.
not as a server.
 
@rebolek View did, Core did not. But you could patch that with CALL.
 
or just build a proper runtime with SDK.
 
@rgchris Interesting, I didn't know that. Anyways, there's HTTPS for R3.
 
4:28 PM
@rebolek Looking forward to it, just need that binary!!
 
i find this repl issue quite ridiculous actually... it's 2013 and we still haven't separated the repl functionality into a reusable component which programming languages could conveniently build on...
there is readline and libedit but each has its own issues... and we still haven't moved away from the monospaced terminal... plan9 did it so many years ago...
 
@rgchris I was out last week, but hasn't Cyphre released latest Saphirion's R3? HTTPS should be there, AFAIK.
 
@rebolek Objects to my Mac. Issues of where we should be getting binaries aside...
 
@rgchris Ah, I haven't tried it on Mac yet.
 
And I'm not clear if there's a Linux version for my hosts...
But you may be able to appreciate why R2 is still enticing: it works and the features are knowable.
2
 
4:44 PM
@Sgeo well, LSL is built on Mono now, so brush up on your .NET stuff.
@Sgeo cvml is a VM based on ideas from the Cat language. The Factor docs take you quite quickly to a site for concatenative languages in general, and cvml is referenced there too. One of Cat's influences was Factor, which is how I heard of Factor. @HostileFork it is worth learning about concatenative languages, if only to get the principles in mind, but they can be useful as a way to think about stack-based runtimes.
 
@moliad I'm not trying to offend anyone, thanks for the compliment, and I understand that the current Rebol community is fueled by certain solutions to certain problems. I only ask the current community to look at what is expansive and what is navel-gazing, if you might say.
I want to believe that the expanded Rebol community is larger than what we now experience, and it's not like there's zero people now, but I think it can be orders of magnitude bigger... unfortunately, that new spectrum of users might be different and have different rationales for the language.
I'm just trying to be the forerunner of that, and help a little here and there. I'm super pleased with everyone coming and becoming more public on StackOverflow, and I would like to thank everyone who has done this. Some have gone above and beyond the call of duty: @GrahamChiu, @Adrian, and @JohnK with the bot in particular.
And @BrianH among others have made almost every one of my demands actualizable. We'll have that function/func closure/clos checkin soon enough, mark my words.
Carl sort of, um, basically kind of said he thought it was a good idea. (That's how I'm reading it.)
 
5:41 PM
0
Q: How can I access sites through HTTPS with Rebol?

rgchrisThis was possible in Rebol 2.7.8 with the /View binary using a native scheme and with /Core using the call shell command. However at the time of posting I don't see a native HTTPS scheme for Rebol 3 nor a call command with the versatility to create a scheme with, say, a cURL dependency. A native ...

 
5:59 PM
1
A: How can I access sites through HTTPS with Rebol?

CyphreR3 version from Saphirion has built in https protocol. The HTTPS shceme is not native, it's just transparently based on the default HTTP scheme(done by Gabriele). The R3 Saphirion version also have implemented TLS scheme(also non-native) which can be used to program any SSL based secure protocol ...

 
6:28 PM
Cyphre - I like R3 aproach. That is rebolish :-)
 
6:57 PM
I'll accept that as an anwser shortly—anyone fancy one more encompassing this first: rebol.esperconsultancy.nl/extensions/cURL (perhaps explaining cross-platform potential?)
 
7:50 PM
@rgchris Do you happen to be around?
 
I do (need to go out shortly though).
 
@rgchris Could you quickly give development.saphirion.com/experimental/r3-osx another try? Thanks!
 
Ok—I'm at the prompt!
 
Cool, thanks a lot for testing!
 
No problem!
 
7:54 PM
At least we got that sorted. HTTPS is still missing from that particular build, though. More later :)
 
Nice work...
 
8:19 PM
Thanks for summarizing your point of view again (saved me some Ctrl-Fing...).
I strongly agree with you on some points, as I quite disagree on some other points...

"Rebol is yet to be born." => no, there were some great things in the past. Rebol was really born. It (almost) died, hélas. Now, open source is like a resurrection, I would say. A resurrection usually (well, it is not so usual to "resurrect", actually...) does not imply that you have to re-learn how to breathe, walk, eat, read, write, etc.
@rgchris I think @Cyphre mentioned that one of his next plans was to port the GUI to GNU/Linux. AFAIK, there is still no equivalent of the good old VID for us (GNU/Linux users who would like to jump on the Rebol 3 and be productive right away).
 
Linux is next after droid
 
@onetom I agree...
@rgchris Exactly.
Hey, Doc! Welcome back! How were your vacations?
Got your ticket to Montréal yet? ;)
@pekr Sorry, I didn't get your point, about the bastard console killing R3...
 
@pierre - simply R3 console can't be compared to the R2, an old argument.
situation is now better, as R3 core can use alternative, e.g. Console2
 
Ah, ok. So you meant that the horrible R3 console behavior made you (temporarily) run away from R3?
 
but I still miss multiline ....
 
8:30 PM
"Patience et longueur de temps font mieux que force ni que rage..." => I'm not sure about an English translation: [patience + time] > [strength + rage]
true
 
I stopped to care a long time ago in fact. R3 is here for very long, console is crap for ages ...
 
8:42 PM
Hm, yes. I just tried it, to get a feel... Crashed in a few seconds, segfaulted, while I was just reading %. I don't think this would be the console's fault, though. I guess I should make a bug report, or check on curecode.
Getting late: tomorrow...
Good night, gentle(wo)men.
 
@pekr what's console2 ?
BTW, the new parse code for the username meant I had the quotes in the username so I could use load-json. But the quotes meant the url was now incorrect and so I would get a redirect :( Hoping to have fixed that now.
 
9:07 PM
@rgchris the R2 core/command has always had https. that's what I use on for cgi on my sites.
I can only say that about windows and linux as I never made use of my mac license
 
9:25 PM
@rgchris Got some R3 compatible code to turn html entities back into html?
 
9:55 PM
@rebolbot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.38 4-Jun-2013
 
10:09 PM
Thanks a lot to all that have donated to make me go present Red in Montréal! I hope it will be a nice opportunity to exchange ideas and help push Red higher and faster. I'm especially looking forward to meet IRL with people I'm talking with online since years, it will be a great moment!
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@pierre Hi Pierre, between the raining and thermal baths, it was quite wet. :)
 
10:47 PM
@pierre The guy who nodded when I asked around the room works for the Australian arm of OLPC. Unfortunately I didn't get chance to chat to him afterwards. If you have seen Sugar and the work on OLPC I can see why he is interested. I'll try and catch him next month.
 
11:42 PM
@pierre There are many defenders of Rebol 2, and for some purposes it is still recommended, I've even done so myself. But a closed source Rebol has no future and we should let that go.
We have Rebol 3, which we should call "Rebol", and Red.
I suppose in that sense, I should be more supportive of the GUI effort, because perhaps then people will shut up about Rebol 2.
(With the GUI, and if the console stops sucking.)
 
@HostileFork you're welcome to port Qt go Rebol
I tried the rebol extensions a few years ago and brought up some Qt windows and buttons
But not the same thing as being used as the gui
 
The extension mechanism is, to my eyes, a bit half-baked. It does help put some clarity on what is "core" about the system and where you cross the line in dependencies.
So in that respect, it helps delineate.
 
Anyway, you'll just annoy us existing users in telling us what we should use!
 
No Rebol. You use Turbo Pascal! And BGI!
 
@rebolbot present
 
11:56 PM
@GrahamChiu GrahamChiu HostileFork johnk pierre pekr rgchris earl BrianH rebolek moliad Sgeo Respectech Henrik Ladislav Brett DexterWilliams Erick HuayinWang
 
Or Delphi. These are your only choices.
 
whatever happened to Robert ?
Wasn't he able to answer some questions ?
Or did no one ask the right ones?
 
I give you one more choice: QuickBasic. I'm generous like that.
 

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