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10:01 AM
@HostileFork I know, I don't know what that's about.
Oh, right—the link is wrong! But they still don't work...
 
@Henrik I'm not sure if you mean so much to say that AltME has "features" that are unmatched. It can barely make a selection properly. All these cool things here like oneboxing and being able to call out a reply as being to a specific message aren't in it. And I again say: I'm not saying StackOverflow chat is the end-all be-all endpoint. It's not open source at this point in time (just the content... and the clones suck as it is... but luckily Google doesn't uprank them too high.)
Wikipedia has clone problems. Send in the Clones You're supposed to link to Wikipedia and say where the source came from if you're going to make a clone. Often they don't, so the question is "do we care enough to go after them?"
@Henrik I'm all for seeing an open source, Rebol/Red based collaboration tool, with crypto-anarchist abilities, that runs as a 4000 line script on top of a <1 MB executable. But StackOverflow, and Trello, and Skype are setting the bar. If I can't share my screen with someone, talking over IP, and drag around task cards flawlessly on my Android phone... we simply can't be talking about "AltME's features". It still has that 80s cash register going on.
 
@HostileFork "It can barely make a selection properly." - unfortunately, this is missing the point. AltME is incredibly reliable and easy to keep alive. It's one executable that you don't need to install and bury in your OS. It has user-interface flaws, but those are fixable. But the big-picture philosophy of how AltME works is not matched by other chat tools, as far as I know.
 
So in this post by @Henrik, linked by http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/14801460#14801460, he said:
10 mins ago, by Henrik
We need a tool that is highly dedicated to REBOL and is made in REBOL/Red and allows for such privacy if needed. An OpenME could be more open, but should allow for darknets that are as private as AltME. Open and private worlds come to mind. Even secret, unlisted worlds.

AltME simply has features that are completely unmatched by any other chat tool, I've ever used, and I'm still surprised by this.
Missing feature #1 of 1,000,000 on AltME.
Simple is better only if the simple does everything the weighty thing does. AltME does not. It's not worth defending for the mere sake of its simplicity.
 
@HostileFork Unfortunately, I don't agree with that philosophy. Chat tools must be simple. If you want screen-sharing, that's another tool, but please don't mix them up.
 
I had some pretty good bidirectional chat software that let me talk while I was downloading with ZModem on 2400 baud.
 
10:13 AM
"But StackOverflow, and Trello, and Skype are setting the bar." - it's a low bar, unfortunately.
 
@Henrik - ditto IOS - still unmatched - it allowed to create whole ecosystem of cooperation ... pity that RT gave up on that ....
 
@pekr Get over it guys...seriously. I know it's a stereotype that old people get old and then new things happen and they go "eh, back in my day..."
No need to live the stereotype.
If you walk up with something and you take it to people and no one is impressed, it indicates a failing in the thing you're showing them. Not saying you're not bringing something to the table. But you won't win any friends without recognizing the things you're missing that are so obvious to everyone else.
A lot is about presentation. And AltME has a cool angle. No browser needed, okay, great but... what do you do with that warm fuzzy feeling when everyone has a browser installed anyway?
 
@HostileFork - get over what? That we have to use this crap as SO is?
 
Don't get me started about my old Psion 5
 
"If you walk up with something and you take it to people and no one is impressed" - it might as well indicate, that ppl are idiots :-)
 
10:19 AM
They [IOS/AltME] didn't work out—we need to skate to where the puck is headed (to use a very timely analogy), not where we wish it had been. StackOverflow is infectious, Trello might be. GitHub is taking over the world. They all reel you in through the browser.
And yet they mostly have a very good out-of-browser experience too.
 
@HostileFork - I think that what I and Henrik are trying to tell, is not that we all should use old Rebol/IOS or AltMe, but that those products had some ideas, which are unmatched even today.
 
@pekr But it isn't crap. Here's my edits to an old question by RebolTutorial to bring it up to date on FUNCT=>FUNCTION. They thought out the permalinks and the history, information gets better, you don't have a leg to stand on when you go around crowing about something that has failed to drive adoption and can't demo worth crap today.
 
E.g. Trello - what is so special about it? Just one former module of IOS. Is that integrated with anything else? No. Why? Because its developer most probably has zero clue, what is a colaborative system ...
 
"No need to live the stereotype." I don't want to discuss on this level.

It's clear to me that some user interface flaws in AltME are preventing people from seeing the strong benefits of AltME as a tool for extremely reliable collaboration.
 
@Henrik Okay, so watch this: Trello for iPad Show me where AltME did that in its module.
 
10:22 AM
Pekr, Saphirion tried Trello for a year. We had to leave it, because it was indeed not a good collboration tool.
 
@Henrik Uh, not good for what? It isn't a bug database. It's like that thing where you're putting index cards on a wall, and you group them... whiteboarding, basic outlining. I know of nothing better at this time for that purpose.
 
@HostileFork Yes, I used it. It's nice to have Trello on the iPad, but the overall design of Trello doesn't scale well.
 
Don't replace a bug database with it and you'll be okay. It's one piece of the groupware stack. And it does integrate. Even here.
Toolchain on GSoC Ideas
Description In addition to incorporating both a compiler and a linker, Red wants to include packaging functionalities. So using the single Red executable you should be able to give it input sourc...
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@Henrik - exactly. It is about a feeling. What guys are doing here is really a good work, nothing against that. Let's better have SO with all its integrations, bots, etc., than not being visible.
 
Well, if it's only for brain storming and putting "cards on a wallboard", then it's no good either. There are far better tools for that.
 
10:25 AM
BUT - our experience is being dismissed by HostileFork, who most probably never ever used Rebol/IOS. And I can compare, I tried many things, even big ones - Lotus Notes, SharePoint, its addons as Lync, etc., even Qtask ... I still think, that the reason why IOS won webby award, is becuase that product was really superior ....
 
@pekr That's all well and good, but it'll be a LOT of work to make them competitive again. Or usable on today's devices.
 
@Henrik If you and @Pekr want to set what we used to call the "bozo bit", which is the idea that you have a yes/no flag in your head about whether someone is inextricably tied to a belief that there is no point in discussing it, and to you AltME and iOS are the pinnacle of software achievement and it's the rest of the world not using it who's wrong and not your own beliefs that should be questioned...
Then okay. Bozo bit set. We need not discuss it any further.
 
Pekr, yes, IOS was fairly good.
 
@rgchris - I am not pessimistic here. You do some nice integrations already. And if something comes from OpenMe, that work can be re-used imo. What is most probably needed is - the system, whatever it is going to be, should have browser UI
 
I hate to have to draw the line in the sand but I'll draw it. You have tied your anchor to a sinking ship of a system that may have positive aspects, but your tired insistence that everything else is crap invalidates whatever legitimacy that perspective may have, to the point I'm not interested in listening to it.
You're so blind to the value of the diffs of the history in the Q&A, and so negative toward the good aspects of the work done here, that your judgment is simply so far off worth listening to that I don't want to hear it any more. Bozo bit is set. The end.
 
10:27 AM
@HostileFork - then you are not competent to even legitimately judge it.
@HostileFork - I will remind you, once I find some tool, which integrates everything IOS was able to do ...
 
Well, right now, I think we will settle it simply.
@rgchris Let's name the Announce feed AltME, as requested.
 
@HostileFork We are probably missing each other's points. I am simply pointing out that there is a big picture view of AltME as a good idea. It's pretty much the same as why we use REBOL and want to develop on it, because it's generally a good idea. It doesn't mean the implementation, with it's dust and creaks is what AltME should be judged by. The idea, the design of AltME is what drives it and keeps it alive.
 
And further than that, can we please not talk about AltME here anymore.
 
Why? Is SO censored?
 
@Henrik - exactly ...
 
10:29 AM
No. I said "can we please not talk about AltME here anymore". It was a request. I do not have the power to delete messages or take it down (on AltME, I imagine someone has that power)
 
@HostileFork - "And further than that, can we please not talk about AltME here anymore." - WTF does that remark mean? It is really embarrasing to listen to such crap
 
@pekr I'm drawn to distributed systems (I redid the desktop), I want good systems built in Rebol. But before that, we need new blood and the growing embrace of other open tools is doing us good in that regard.
 
do you own the channel? Does the mention of AltME hurts Rebol or Red? Now really, come on ...
 
No Fighting!
 
It means, I really don't want to discuss it, at least not until it's open source. I feel it's enough of a concession to broadcast announcements from there.
It's not so much AltME that bothers me, it's just this constant droning insistence that the tools that are showing great promise and energy are so consistently berated by users of AltME... it defies logic.
 
10:31 AM
OK, sorry ... but I really think that no kind of censorship or so is needed ... my only point today towards naming the Announce feed AltME, was to align it with other sources, which are mentioned, and to make it clear, where does it come from, nothing more ...
 
I'll consider it. :P
 
I think it's worth discussing the idea of AltME at least.
 
I really don't expect tonnes of new users installing AltME :-)
I agree with anyone else here and as Henrik mentioned - AltME UI is dated, not nice, not working in a browser. I get all that. But no need for censhorship here imo ...
 
It's more "I use AltME and Trello and StackOverflow suck" that bothers me -- whereas "Y'know I like the idea of using a small cross-platform client powered by Rebol, I'm willing to accept that it lacks a lot of features because I think it's built on a light-footed foundation that can do so much with so little, I'd like to bet the future on it rather than systems that have some nice features... I think those nice features would be easy to implement with the right manpower though"
I don't mind people having a sort of religious reason for wanting to work on something not too popular. That's Rebol and Red from the get-go, so fine. It's just this constant need to bash really cool things built by lots of people who are achieving great heights, and going "garbage". It's so... uncalled for, and it just gets brought up every time this AltME thing comes up.
So if anything turns me against AltME, it's that... plus that it's closed source so I can't even get behind it on the "well, at least we have control" aspect that might turn me against StackOverflow at times.
So the wedge where I might be on its side isn't even there.
RebolBot scrapes it, we have the messages either way.
 
@HostileFork speaking of which, I just switched her over to the atronix build after a bit of testing
@rebolbot hi
 
10:38 AM
@johnk hi to you too
 
@RebolBot tweet "Not resentful of Twitter's success, despite a simple mission and not written in Rebol. I'm forward-looking!"
 
I left redbot running an older rebolsource build so I can keep tabs on the stability of each. hey email me if they fail (then restart)
 
@johnk That didn't... tweet.
 
@HostileFork ahh .. forgot about the twitter config give me a minute
 
10:40 AM
@HostileFork - you miss just one thing - some devs here find some superior things in Rebol, Red, Altme, IOS not because of selfish or religious reasons, but due to its architecture under the hood. Just because some other system, which gets popular, is done by many ppl and being popular, does not mean it is superior. If so, let's all use php and Windows :-)
 
@RebolBot tweet "Not resentful of Twitter's success, despite a simple mission and not written in Rebol. I'm forward-looking!"
 
@pekr Well if you look things up on Wikipedia, that's still PHP. And I'm none too happy about that, but there are big social differences between what I remember as a kid where door-to-door people sold encyclopedias. You only got one if you had the money, and it was out of date right after you got it. I think we should take the best of the best, and not be blind to the good. Calling SO crap is just not fair, man.
 
@RebolBot tweet "Not resentful of Twitter's success, despite a simple mission and not written in Rebol. I'm forward-looking!"
 
@johnk Sending this as a tweet: Not resentful of Twitter's success, despite a simple mission and not written in Rebol. I'm forward-looking!
 
10:43 AM
(and re-enable the command)
Success :)
 
As Rebol appreciators, the default here is to say "hey wouldn't it be nice if... we were using Rebol to converse" and I think that's the challenge I have put forth. I wanted rebol.net to be our version of this page; status, chat, community with subdomains. Powered by Rebol: sounds great... but it's not there yet. In the meantime, can we not bash SO for doing what AltME hasn't?
Not resentful of Twitter's success, despite a simple mission and not written in Rebol. I'm forward-looking!
@johnk Sweet. :-) How about making the post not be "Sending this as a tweet" but a link to the successful tweet (as above) for oneboxing?
I guess you need to throw in a bit of wait for knowing it succeeded, dunno if you get a result or if you just have to sleep and hope :-/
 
Nice idea
 
It was interesting to see Cyphre trying to import messages from AltME into Hipchat. He had to try many times.

He spent most of a week trying to get them in, because their basic design doesn't allow mass-importing of messages from other systems and worse, doesn't even care about messaging order. So, they tout "billions of messages sent".

Getting them out of AltME was a piece of cake, of course, because keeping things like that simple has major benefits, if you want to do something unexpected with that data.
 
@HostileFork You get a response fairly quickly with the new tweet id.
 
We need to patch the HTTPS into core, I hope we basically merge "Saphir"/"Atronobol" into rebol/rebol. Doc had a bleak prophecy for the ability of Rebol to organize, but I think with Atronix's leverage and a little bit of solidarity we can do it.
Keep GUI separated from core, but as there's no cross-platform GUI and it sounds like R3-GUI is the winning design... what harm is it to go ahead and get all that code into rebol/rebol? Don't want it, don't do a GUI build.
 
10:51 AM
@rgchris - apologies for not getting around to cleaning up my modifications to your twitter code to get it running on r3. It is a bit of a mess, but at least it works ...
(sometimes)
 
@JerryTsai Important Red/Rebol person who still has one point! Aaa! Skype me: metaeducation ... I'll ghost write an answer for you somewhere if it comes to that. :-)
@PattyIssa Back so soon? There's more...
@RebolBot delete
@RebolBot
parse (to string! read mercury.me) [
   thru <div class="homepage-quote">
   thru <p>
   copy homepage-quote to </p>
   (print homepage-quote)
   to end
]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> parse (to string! read mercury.me) [thru <div class="homepage-quote"> thru <p> copy homepage-quote to </p> (print homepage-quote) to end]
Genius is the ability to put into <br/>effect what is on your mind.
== true
 
@PattyIssa Pretty, yes? :-P
So quote is a parse keyword, eh?
 
11:08 AM
Less than 100 votes now to #1 on the stack ad competition...
Jeez, I'm as bad as a day trader watching a stock ticker :-/ and I hate that kind of thing.
 
11:23 AM
Hi, how are you all doing?
And sorry for my sudden and prolonged disappearance.
 
I am writing a long article about Red for next edition of #CSDN.
Help translate the subtitles for the Red presentation video to your local language. http://bit.ly/1c0LhZy
 
@redBot
parse [return][quote return:]
 
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>> parse [return] [quote return:]
== true
 
is this by design or an error?
 
@ingo welcome back - looks like an error to me
 
11:32 AM
@johnk Me too, and it breaks my take at implementing a help function for the red console.
back to trying to code around it.
 
@HostileFork finally got around to adding a primitive echo suppression to rebolbot (not redbot yet). Primitive as it only works for rebol 3 - ie do/echo is now equivalent to do, but do/2/echo is not yet supported
@RebolBot do 1 + 1
 
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    == 2
 
@RebolBot do/echo 1 + 2
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> 1 + 2
== 3
 
@ingo ping @dockimbel here - maybe he is around?
Help function would be great for red. Good luck with that!
@rebolbot do print "fixed the additional indentation from above"
 
11:45 AM
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fixed the additional indentation from above
 
@rebolbot do 1
 
currently I stumble about the return: statements ...
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
== 1
 
I have not played with the callback part of red parse yet
I am guessing that is the reason for the different handling of return:
 
Is there a way to run test on functions which don't return anything, but print to the console?
 
12:00 PM
Not that I can think of other then redefining print
late here - TTYL
@RebolBot goodnight
 
@johnk goodnight to you too
 
@johnk goodnight
 
12:20 PM
@ingo What in particular?
@RebolBot
(quote return) = (quote return:)
 
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== true
 
word!s and set-word!s with the same spelling compare as EQUAL?.
Hence parse [return] [quote return:] also successfully matches the return: against return.
 
@earl Is there anything that can be done to parse only set-word!s, then?
 
@RebolBot
print parse [return] [and set-word! quote return:]
print parse [return:] [and set-word! quote return:]
 
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false
true
 
12:31 PM
@ingo That's for R3, and a good illustration of why that parse keyword is called and. In Red it's called ahead.
 
Yes, that's a point in favour of and.
 
In favour of and, IMO. But your mileage may vary :)
 
Sorry, that was a typo ...
 
1:15 PM
posted on February 19, 2014 by Peter Wood

In case you missed it, David Den Haring made the following exciting announcement in another forum: We have published our REBOL 3 View builds for Linux and Windows at http://atronixengineering.com/downloads.html. There is full Linux support for graphics and the clipboard as well as a number of bug f

 
 
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2:47 PM
@Respectech, I am compiling our R3 for Linux/ARM, hopefully it will just work
@HostileFork, Don't worry about Kaj's comments, I didn't take his negative comments seriously
 
@ShixinZeng Everyone is responsible for their reactions to one another, but I would encourage you to stop, (not perceive everything as criticism, even if it is hard) actually try to get as much information about what he was experiencing as possible. I was able to crash the demo by moving it around the screen for about 15 seconds.
I will make a bug report when I have time
and test a bit more
I appreciate you hard work in implementing R3 Gui in Linux. That's pretty amazing
 
@kealist, I would like to see your report, I just tried to move it around, and I couldn't make it crash
and thanks for your encouragement
 
3:03 PM
@ShixinZeng Maybe you aren't moving your mouse as frantically as I am (on Windows) :)
Just tried again. Crashed three times yesterday like that, but not having success at the moment
 
@kealist Their are good and bad ways to report bugs. For someone participating in open source for as long as Kaj, I'd just have assumed that he knows that intimately.
But maybe that's just me assuming too much.
 
@ShixinZeng Where's the appropriate place to repotr bugs with the atronix builds?
 
@ingo, That's a good question, currently we have an internal bugzilla, I will see if we can make it public
 
@earl One cannot control the way other people are or talk on the internet. Our community has too many different cultures and personalities to make one way the only proper way to communicate. I would consider "getting offended" one of the most useless things in terms making much progress on anything.
 
@ShixinZeng Sorry, I wanted to edit, but was too late.
 
3:12 PM
It's not really my business anyways, I'll drop it
 
@kealist Absolutely, one cannot control communication.
I consider open disrespect and openly destructive communication equally useless. Wastes everyone time.
 
@ShixinZeng Whenever I start the demo, I get a memory allocation error.
Manjaro Linux, xfce4, i3wm.
rebol3-view works on the same box, but I found out, that LightTable download (there's a package from Arch, which might or might not work, not checked) doesn't, either.
@ShixinZeng Anyway, thanks for making it happen !
 
Before that happens, you can email to rebol@atronixengineering.com
 
@kealist And yes, getting offended is totally useless as well.
 
@igno, is it possible for you to try with another Window manager?
 
3:26 PM
@ShixinZeng OK, I just tested with xfwm4, and it works, there.
 
I am trying to install i3wm, and see what makes it different
@ingo, it did crash under i3wm, I will look into it
 
@ShixinZeng Thank you!
 
 
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5:02 PM
posted on February 19, 2014 by abolka

[Issue] Quoting from HostileFork's pull request 158: > While looking at the REBREQ field, I noticed a ->next field for a > linked list of more REBREQs. As the previous problem had come from > a port being GC'd out from under a REBREQ, I was concerned that > these other requests might be holding ports that were similarly > unaccounted for. @earl explained that if a request had made it > into an

 
5:15 PM
posted on February 19, 2014 by carls

FIND-ALL speed optimization

 
5:27 PM
posted on February 19, 2014 by carls

Suppress compiler warnings. Accepted, but with the comment posted to this change, that should anyone have a problem compiling Rebol core for some odd platform, that we find a fix.

 
Update on my problem getting Red Console to run on Linux/ARM on ODROID:
~/Red$ ldd console
libc.so.6 => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libc.so.6 (0xb6ecc000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6fcc000)
libreadline.so.6 => not found
libhistory.so.6 => not found

~/Red$ sudo apt-get install libreadline6 libreadline6-dev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
libreadline6 is already the newest version.
libreadline6-dev is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 49 not upgraded.
~/Red$ ls -l /lib/libread*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 odroid odroid 41 Feb 18 21:37 /lib/libreadline.so.6 -> /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.6
~/Red$ apt-file search libreadline.so
libreadline-gplv2-dev: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so
libreadline5: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.5
libreadline5: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.5.2
libreadline5-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/libreadline.so.5
libreadline5-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/libreadline.so.5.2
libreadline6: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.6
libreadline6: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.6.2
libreadline6-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.6.2
What I don't understand is why is ldd saying libreadline.so.6 is not found?
 
@Respectech Could it be a problem with the library search path?
 
@Respectech, you might want to see the result of: ldconfig -p|grep libreadline
 
~/Red$ ldconfig -p|grep libreadline
libreadline.so.6 (libc6,hard-float) => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.6
libreadline.so.6 (libc6,hard-float) => /lib/libreadline.so.6
libreadline.so.5 (libc6,hard-float) => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so.5
libreadline.so (libc6,hard-float) => /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libreadline.so
 
Then try "strace -o /tmp/console.log ldd console"
from /tmp/console.log you can see the paths it has tried
 
5:49 PM
~/Red$ strace -o /tmp/console.log ldd console
libc.so.6 => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libc.so.6 (0xb6e19000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0xb6f19000)
libreadline.so.6 => not found
libhistory.so.6 => not found
 
what do you see from "grep libreadline /tmp/console.log"?
 
That doesn't return anything.
 
That's strange
Could you open /tmp/console.log and see if you can find any clue there?
BTW, I am compiling R3 on an ARM board, and it's been more than 30 mins, it's still not finished. :(
 
@johnk That's the main thing! Anyway, it'll not nearly be as tidy as it can be until we have an equivalent Rest scheme on Rebol 3...
 
6:09 PM
@ShixinZeng Which ARM board are you compiling on?
@ShixinZeng There is no reference to libreadline in console.log at all.
@ShixinZeng If you want access to a fast ARM computer, let me know. I have a few quad-core 1.7GHz Samsung EXYNOS computers that I could open for you to SSH into. :-)
 
@Respectech, I am compiling on a cubieboard2 with Allwinner A20
 
I can overclock to 2.0GHz if desired. :-)
 
@Respectech, If you can get access to your faster ARM computer, that would be great
 
@ShixinZeng Are you on AltME? If so, I can private message you the IP and port. :-)
 
@ShixinZeng On the demo, what makes the Performance survey start? If I open it, i get a blue window. Once it ran through a bunch of tests and printed console output, but I can't trigger that to happen
 
6:18 PM
@kealist, are you on windows? if so, press "a"
@Respectech, Yes, I am, my username there is szeng
 
@ShixinZeng Ah, Can you add an instruction to make that clear?
That window does not close (unview)
 
@kealist, sure, but I need to figure out where I can add that instruction
 
@Respectech Looks like you're running a non-armhf binary (console) on an otherwise armhf system.
 
@ShixinZeng It's on the Saphirion server
 
@earl I was wondering about that. So does Red only compile to soft-float on Linux-ARM?
@ShixinZeng I've sent you the login details on AltME as a private message from Bo.
 
6:23 PM
@Respectech Try recompiling the Red console binary so that it uses /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 as libc (just a guess, check first if that file exists on your machine). Maybe that's all that's needed.
 
@earl The only option for Linux-ARM that I know about in Red as a target is "Linux-ARM". Is there another way to compile it?
 
@Respectech No, you'll have to manually patch it.
 
@earl I've never done that before (at least I don't think I have). Any pointers on how to do it?
 
@Respectech, I've put my R3 linux/ARM build here: atronixengineering.com/r3/downloads/…
 
@ShixinZeng Sorry, my previous link was wrong. Here is the correct one: development.saphirion.com/experimental/dt-01.r
 
6:29 PM
@ShixinZeng Awesome! I'm testing it now!
 
@Respectech Try editing system/config.r. Copy the whole Linux-ARM target to a new Linux-ARMhf target. In the new target, change the dynamic-linker to /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3. Then build console with -t Linux-ARMhf.
 
@ShixinZeng It works! (For the most part) I got an error with the following:
 
@kealist, yes, but I can't change Saphirion's code
 
>> load-gui
>> view [area]

I typed in the area, highlighted some text, pressed CTRL-C to copy and CTRL-V to paste it in a different part of the area, and I got:

** Script error: deline does not allow binary! for its string argument
** Where: load-clip-text switch either do-text-key if actor all foreach do-actor actor all foreach do-actor actor all foreach do-actor all actor all foreach do-actor do-event if do-event either -apply- wake-up loop -apply- wait forever try do-events if view
** Near: load-clip-text
 
@Respectech Alternatively to the above, you could give the following binary a quick try: bolka.at/2014/red/console-linux-armhf-g29c91ff -- That's a Red console binary built with the armhf modification described above.
(I'm on a train and don't have access to a ARM box at the moment :)
 
6:39 PM
@ShixinZeng Understood. Don't know if you you can "fork" it and make a more user friendly version? It will likely confuse some people though.
I can mention it to Cyphre as well
 
@earl You're amazing! That worked great! I'll have to try to do that myself. Looks like a great thing to know how to do.
 
@kealist, better to ask Cyphre to change that, too many forks would also confuse people
 
I have to run to a couple clients. I'll check back when I return.
 
@Respectech, That's not a problem specific to r3 on Linux/ARM, it happens on my linux/x64 build as well, I will try to fix that
 
@Respectech Cool that at least the basics work. I'll see that we get this second ARM target into Red when I'm a somewhat more stable connection.
Note that armhf may require a few other adaptations in the native code emission as well. A good idea would be to run the test suite on an armhf box and see how that works out.
 
6:48 PM
@earl That sounds great. That way, I can just tell the article readers to use the Linux-ARMhf target instead of having to go in and change the Red configuration.
@ShixinZeng Happy to help! Thanks for all of your help!
 
@ShixinZeng done
 
@kealist, Great
 
@rgchris would you consider posting the date of the latest message, and the author in the list of groups please on http://rebol.info/altme ? Thanks
 
@GrahamChiu I could, but that would require loading all the data files for each group.
Date I can get from modified? I suppose...
Is there a single source for last poster for every group?
 
posted on February 19, 2014 by BrianH

[Comment] There is no DISARM anymore. However, the related bug in #771 and #1509 is fixed.

posted on February 19, 2014 by BrianH

[Comment] #1509 is now fixed, so we can consider this one fixed as well.

 
7:12 PM
@rgchris not that I know of
 
@GrahamChiu Possibly registry.set, can't dig just now but will look a little later...
 
@rgchris why not make the list a RSP script?
 
@GrahamChiu It is.
 
7:33 PM
@respectech on my android-arm phone I'm running an r3 console inside a terminal emulator. I compiled it from @HostileFork sources with minimal corrections...
 
@rgchris what's the script location?
 
@GrahamChiu Three places under /var/www/bot-site: app/controller/altme.r app/support/mashup/altme.r app/views/altme/ (the core code is in the support file)
 
@Respectech I think the problem you had is fixed.
 
@GrahamChiu Note that the bot-site folder is overwritten when I update the repository.
(you can sync the repository to your system...)
 
@rgchris repo site?
 
7:48 PM
@GrahamChiu Can you PM me? Skype?
 
@rgchris skype nick??
 
chris-rg
 
@rgchris ok, sent request
It would be nice to be able to send private messages using this chat
though @HostileFork objected to the idea of subverting SO chat for this purpose :(
 
@GrahamChiu #{3ABBD610555C}
 
@rgchris now where's my private key to decrypt that?
 
8:03 PM
@RebolBot do to string! decloak #{3ABBD610555C} "A private key"
Anyways...
 
8:22 PM
@rgchris why didn't that work?
 
@RebolBot alive?
 
@rgchris guess not
@redbot alive?
 
Can you elaborate on that?
 
hmm
@johnk we need a command for redbot to restart rebolbot!
 
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== "Hello!"
 
8:25 PM
maybe that's the latency that Kaj is complaining about?
 
She has been a bit off colour since 1am - having a quick look now, but only have 5 min
 
!
 
Guess we really really need to fix http protocol ...
 
All was fine when I went to bed at 11pm Crashing continually since 1am (and emailing to let me know). As soon as I start by hand everything looks normal ;/
I might switch back to the rebolsource build until I get time to investigate further tonight
 
@johnk so this is the Atronix build?
that doesn't sound good
 
8:31 PM
It might not be - there were a coupe of other changes as well. Plus it is a view build not core
 
but useful for debugging their build I guess :)
 
@rebolbot alive?
 
back on rebosource for today and I'll look again tonight
 
is there a way to capture the errors? Is there a debug build available?
 
8:32 PM
(that means the tweet command will fail)
disabled
@GrahamChiu yes, I was thinking about doing that, but hadn't really needed to yet
all output is dumped to dev/null ATM
 
@johnk how is email working? I thought you had to apply to Amazon for that option?
 
must run - I'll tae my laptop to work and maybe I'll get chance at lunch to investigate further
@GrahamChiu yes, and they enabled it :)
no cost
TTYL
 
l8r
 
9:33 PM
posted on February 19, 2014 by BrianH

[Comment] This is a dup of #438.

posted on February 19, 2014 by BrianH

[Comment] Requested again in #2092.

 
@giuliolunati That sounds great!
@ShixinZeng Are you referring to the text pasting problem?
 
@Respectech, Yes
 
posted on February 19, 2014 by IngoHohmann

This is more like a request for comments, as it is my first time to try this, hope it works. Adding help and watch to the console build: red>> help help USAGE: help func-name DESCRIPTION: Get help for functions ARGUMENTS: 'func-name => Word you are looking for REFINEMENTS: What would be the best way to add tests to these functions, which return nothing, but only print?

 
9:48 PM
Just l listening to a pod cast which mentions a "full stack approach" in reference to highly optimised Java code. I'll post a link when I'm back. Look up SBE - simple binary encoding
 
@ShixinZeng I just recalled that I sent an ODROID (like the one you are logged into currently at my location) to David den Haring. He said he wasn't going to use it, so I asked him to send it back to me. If he hasn't sent it yet, why don't you ask him for it. You could use it for building and testing on Linux-ARM. It already has Ubuntu 12.03 running on it if I remember correctly.
 
Here's a fun wee idiom—moving items from one block to another:
@RebolBot
odds: [1 2 3 4 5 6]
evens: collect [remove-each item odds [unless odd? item [keep item]]]
probe odds probe evens
 
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[1 3 5]
[2 4 6]
== [2 4 6]
 
@Respectech Great, I will ask him about that
 
@ShixinZeng Can you set up a permanent link to the Rebol/View Linux-ARM executable? I want to make sure that if I point readers of the magazine to a link, that it will be available there.
 
10:02 PM
@Respectech, I need to ask @DaviddenHaring to do that, I don't have access to the webpages
He's not in the office today, I will ask him about that when he's back
 
@ShixinZeng Thanks.
 
 
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