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3:00 AM
I think that Skype is a nice mechanism for screen sharing, voice, video, and other forms of private chat...and would encourage everyone to get in touch with that or other mechanisms.
 
you can also delete comments too .. but clicking on the little icon to the left of the message that pops up .. and use the menu
 
Are these rooms searchable by google and other SE?
 
Yes
 
@rebol, if you want the bot to eval an expression on the same line as the bot invocation, it must be preceded by 'do', if you place the code on following lines, there's no need for the do
 
tested it, good to know (delete)
 
3:01 AM
you can shift+enter to get a new line without sending
 
the ability to edit messages is sorely missed in Altme
 
@rebol You only have two minutes to edit or delete your last message. A shorthand for editing the last thing you said is the up arrow. Each message has a permalink, and you can quote it via that permalink.
54 secs ago, by rebol
tested it, good to know (delete)
 
and when you paste a multi-line clip, you have to option to send using fixed font
 
Lots of nice features - quite usable.
 
msg: compose [
	"This program was downloaded from the Internet! "
	"It is " bold "leaner, meaner, and a whole lot cleaner." drop
	newline newline
	"Its size is: " (form size? %web3works.r3) " bytes."
	newline newline
	"Click source to view source code."
]

view  [
	title "Web 3.0 works!"
	text-area msg
	vgroup [
		button "Source" on-action [
			view compose [code-area (to string! read %web3works.r3)]
		]
		button "Close" on-action [ close-window face ]
	]
]
 
3:03 AM
@rebol one of the more interesting features to help people catch up is the democratic "starring" system, where notable posts can be called out as voted by people in the room. You cannot vote on your own post. You can browse the list of starred posts in its entirety and see the chats in context... or just see the few latest on the right.
 
so, fixed font for code
 
@rebol Speaking of multi-line. Is there any chance we can get a copy of the source for the R2 console to help us to implement this feature in the R3 REPL?
 
@rebol as you can see, reactors are gone
 
So... any reason that AltME is still being used? Just for private chats?
 
@rebol because it's hard to track multiple conversations here
 
3:04 AM
Sure, I can provide the R2 console code if someone wants to get it working for R3.
 
@rebol there are some that like the semi-obscurity it provides
 
@rebol Would you upload it to your github account? or just email it to us?
 
Yes, I'm starting to notice that... sorting out the conversations here.
 
@Adrian You can be obscure here if you use a nickname
 
I can upload it.
 
3:06 AM
@rebol appreciate it
 
@rebol :-)
 
Anything else while I'm at it? Do we have a good CALL func now?
 
@rebol the R3 back end for chat? :-)
 
@rebol Not yet
 
@rebol There has been, FYI, a security report filed against altme.com which some web browsers / plugins give stern warnings about. It's just one, but it seems no one has taken it on to get it off the record.
 
3:07 AM
current development is being directed by Robert's team and so driven by commercial concerns
 
I'll need to think about that one (R3 chat back end.) What's the interest in it?
 
@rebol Altme source code? so we can improve and give it an optional web front-end ;-)
 
So, things like OSX, linux GU, call are not priorities
and everyone else has day jobs
 
On AltME.com... really? Is there any truth to that?
 
@moliad It's my opinion that Rebol efforts should be more on design of the core and finalizing the language, and leveraging infrastructure for things like issue tracking and version control that others have built. It's important to keep focus and not be too sidetracked.
 
3:09 AM
r3chat was supposed to replace Altme anyway
 
@HostileFork not everyone is interested in rebol itself. some of us work on applications. I still have clients who use Altme at work, and it would be nice to "fix" it in certain aspects.
 
@ZachLatta Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
FYI - We are tracking work in progress using another site called trello trello.com/b/CcQ4Jdsx
 
@HostileFork improving the core stuff is not in everyone's realm of possibilities, but other things are
 
@Adrian Well, I consider mezzanine and the network protocols etc. to be "core stuff"
 
3:12 AM
Looking at mywot.com for AltME, I wonder if that's just a hook they use to get site owners to register?
 
Still, we do have R3 GUI on Android .. and that should be usable soon
 
Seems like WOT is a scam itself.
 
Hello @ZachLatta, we are currently having a chat with the creator of Rebol!
 
@HostileFork yeah, but if someone's interested in working on things other than what you'd like, why not make it possible?
 
@rebol I don't know. It's hard to tell. It does not generally, in my experience, have false positives... for what that is worth.
 
3:13 AM
@Adrian People should be allowed to work on areas that they can.
 
@GrahamChiu What opinion specifically?
I also understand that many just need to get apps done. The get it done is what I've been doing in my day job now for a couple years. A different mode of operation.
 
@GrahamChiu @HostileFork seems to be suggesting that some things are less important. That, of course, depends on who you're asking.
 
Has your opinion changed since your blog?
 
one of the seminars I want for the devcon is a funny way to decide on some features... maybe a game of darts with features on the boards.... those with the most hist pass the mark ;-)
 
I consider the domain name system itself a scam, but it's hard to argue with it...paying tolls to the trolls. :-/
 
3:15 AM
We started a checklist for a beta release on trello trello.com/card/create-roadmap-for-a-rebol3-beta-release/…
 
On DNS, I agree.
Funny, just sent directed msg at GC, but didn't show up?
@GrahamChiu Does this work?
 
yep
 
you edited an earlier one, @rebol
look above
 
@GrahamChiu So, what opinion Graham?
 
The one you posted on your blog about what was needed to get a 3.0 release
@rebolbot find blog
 
Well what I am most focused on, generally, is thinking about how Rebol can build a culturally sustainable system for recruiting new curious and virtuous developers. There has been an insularity which has...in general...assumed that it would take too long for new devs to come up to speed, and so the idea is to just kind of keep the nose to the grindstone for a core group to polish up a product that will wow everyone.
So it's more the long-term thinking, and that long-term thinking involves much of the interplay between Rebol and Red.
 
@GrahamChiu I don't know, I'll need to go back and read it carefully. I wish I'd used bullets.
 
I think that Rebol, due to being straightforward and unintimidating C... might scare people less and be easier to insinuate. People cracking open the source to Red would not necessarily care that it's open source, because they can't read it.
 
that's why we switched to using a checklist
 
3:20 AM
Also, by using C Rebol allows people to build with the compiler technology and backend of their choice--vetted by their organization or needs.
 
@GrahamChiu AltME check list - what world?
 
But Red has a compelling story, and I think it's something people would likely grow into wanting as they get more buy-in to the Rebol methodology. It's a bigger leap of faith...but some people might be willing to attack it.
 
@HostileFork When you say "C Rebol" you mean the R3 source?
 
@bushdiver Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
3:21 AM
Ah trello.
tello: "Your browser is not supported"
 
@rebol "By using C, Rebol allows..." I meant. Yes. I mean that sticking to ANSI C makes Rebol easier to get into people's organizations and comfort zones. Red is "out there".
 
"Your browser is not supported" == lazy JS coders
 
@rebol Well, we'd be using IOS if it were still out there!
 
IOS was a good thing. I want to bring it back.
 
@rebol What's stopping you? Lack of time?
I'd thought you had sold it IP and all
 
3:23 AM
But, I'm no longer in the mode of convincing the world about Rebol. I've learned a lot over the last couple years in the trenches.
 
@rebol Have you seen repl.it? We are hoping to build Rebol for this soon. A backend that can take LLVM code built with clang and turn it into a wacky Javascript package. I'd like to use it for tutorials, so that the interpreter retains state between commands as well as if a user writes an infinite loop...it's their own browser tab going down. :-)
 
@rebol what's your new attitude?
 
A day time job pays!
 
No... in fact one of the reason both corporations still exist is because they have rich IP histories.
 
Too late now but you made it hard for developers to get into IOS at $1k per license or whatever it was
And developers are the life blood of any system
 
3:26 AM
@Adrian It's focus. When you have something you want to get out there, you've just got to focus on that. Hopefully you outrun the torpedoes.
@GrahamChiu Yes, that too. Day job.
 
But you're not a shareholder are you?
If the next best thing comes along and Roku is history .. you'll need to move on?
the hardware market is very fickle
 
IOS was a different gig at a different time directed to different market.
 
Well @GrahamChiu perhaps we can focus conversation more on the future than the past here...
 
@rebol with the RaspberryPi's, arduinos, etc, this seems a very appropriate time.
 
we are ..
 
3:28 AM
Yes, markets change quickly... so companies need to move quickly.
 
all these platforms need a language!
consumers will want to be able to program them ...
 
Yes... and I've got stacks of embedded systems here. I'm hoping to get a Beaglebone black quite soon... just to fiddle with... but would be nice to have R3 running on all of them.
 
BTW, do you know what happened to Amiga R3 with GUI?
 
@rebol So I guess one question I have for you, is if you are signed off on the icon. It's been around for a while... but recently I did the sizes required by the Android app. I release it to Rebol Technologies... pretty much everyone is on board. Cool?
 
none of us has a PPC system to build it
 
3:31 AM
So, I know really well now that Rebol is not for every developer.... but it would get more interest if R3+GUI was easy to download an get running on a variety of those devices on your list.
 
@HostileFork His browser doesn't trello!
 
@rebol Just wanted to say "Thank you" again for giving us the chance to build on Rebol as open source software
 
@johnk And, I'm glad you guys picked it up and ran with it.
 
currently we're crawling ...
 
3:34 AM
@HostileFork It looks good. Remind me of the license?
 
Licensed to whomever would go against anyone for use of the Rebol name.
I have not given it license other than to you.
 
and rebolsource.net
 
Well, Andreas uses it by permission on rebolsource.net , but more importantly uses the name Rebol by permission.
I just figure the two go along together.
@RebolBot
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>> do reverse ["Don't sue me!" print]
Don't sue me!
 
@HostileFork do you still want this funct/function thing answered?
 
3:38 AM
@SiyuSong Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
You'll need to remind me... I've used up the other 90% of my brain over the last couple years.
 
@rebol, could you also give some detail about the current level of concurrency support in R3?
 
@rebol So something that has come up, especially in my port of Red to run under R3, was that there are many differences in R2 and R3. Some tougher ones to fix, and some more superficial ones. But we have begun to understand a bit of what an "R3/Backward" might look like.
 
Right, R3 and R2 are substantially different models.
 
A longstanding issue that I brought up early on was that I disliked the names "FUNC/FUNCT" and I didn't feel that what FUNCTION did was worthy of taking the name. I preferred tutorials to demonstrate a not-everything-is-global from the beginning, and use the full word to do it.
 
3:40 AM
Concurrency... I had some basics in place, did anyone follow up on any of that?
 
So the idea was that FUNCTION as it is be stricken, and what is now FUNCT become FUNCTION.
With FUNC being the lower-level primitive that is taught as people become more experienced.
This is one of those easier-to-address-in-R3/Backward issues
So it's not even all that radical, and it seems that FUNCTION is not really used by very many people.
 
Ah, well that's the advantage of R3 not yet being final. These are good issues to decide.
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@rebol @BrianH is about the only one who seems to have some insight, but even he hasn't made it too clear for the rest of us. I guess it would be good to get your feel for how 'prepared' you feel the code is to support concurrency wrt thread-safe code, etc.
 
The parallel is to have CLOSURE and CLOS following this pattern, with CLOSURE being the gathering-locals variant, and CLOS the more fundamental.
 
I think the bigger problem is applying a consistent threading model across so many devices... with so many threading models to deal with.
 
3:43 AM
Carl - so you stopped to believe in Rebol ideas? I track your steps since Viscorp times, kind of sad to hear, but that's just it. We don't need the world domination, but curious, what would be your next big thing after rebol. I still can see both Amiga and Rebol (mainly IOS, Altme 2.0) unsurpassed in some areas. Btw - are you allowed to use Rebol at your recent work, or no place for it there?
 
BrianH was spurred into making a commit for the FUNCTION / CLOSURE change in reaction to a /CLOSURE refinement to FUNCT which he really didn't like...and he felt that the proposal had community support.
 
Hello Pekr, is you hair grayer in that picture? So... good questions...
 
@rebol in your mind, would an actor-like approach be the way to go vs surfacing actual threads?
 
Hello Carl. Yes, well, almost completly. But interestingly - some ppl say that I am not grey, but silver :-)
 
Ah, ok, that is good "spin" on it. So, no I don't use Rebol at my current work. Main reason was not to intermix IP owned by separate companies. Get's complex.
 
3:46 AM
@user2426930 Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
So, other than StackOverflow, where are most recent discussions, postings, code, announcements posted?
 
@rebol that is the other question .. can other people be given access to the main github repository so that they can accept the pull requests?
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@rebol - have you looked into Red architecture? What you think of such an aproach? It uses Red/System C wrapper, allowing low level binding to various systems, and at the upper level (Red), it becomes mixture of compiled, jitted and interpreted (we already have interpreter plus console) code.
 
Also, did anyone answer whether google indexes these discussions here on SO?
 
People get discouraged having made submissions/fixes but nothing happens
 
3:49 AM
@rebol yes, it does
 
@GrahamChiu Yes, I think I've got some catching up to do.
 
chat transcripts can be indexed by search engines
See http://chat.stackoverflow.com/robots.txt
@rebol So, why not delegate?
 
Just a few more minutes, and then I must go.
 
@rebol Following on @pekr's question: I assume you're familiar with Don Knuth's version numbering scheme, where he chooses asymptotic numbers (The current version of TeX is 3.1415926). He says that when he dies that it will be declared version PI and all remaining bugs become features. :-) I think that Rebol's best role is to be a reference implementation that sticks to its guns and keeps things simple and small... but that a true Rebol die hard will want to use a dialect like Red/System.
 
It's possible (delegation) with the right group. That was never finalized.
 
3:52 AM
I feel that Rebol should stick around as a stable bootstrapping foundation that works on any platform, even old ones. I discourage @DocKimbel from bootstrapping too early, or breaking a bootstrap from Rebol.
 
@rebol One other model is the one used by Linux I think where requests are made against another repo, and then that person pulls against the main repo
so you only accept requests from the second repo
 
@rebol I think these issues are going to be good subjects for conferences at the devcon.
 
But at present it looks as though the project is dead when it's not
 
Yes, and prior devcons were good for that also. I remember getting many issues solved there.
Anyone know if Ladisav will be coming to ReCon?
 
But I think that the main investments in Rebol should be consistency, bugfixes, solidity and correctness. Easing back on the idea that it needs multithreading or any kitchen sink. Node.JS gets quite far with a single thread.
 
3:54 AM
@rebol also the issue of passing over control of the web sites.
 
@rebol He's coming
 
R2 gets pretty far on a single thread also... even with GUI's like AtlME running.
 
but I need 64 GB and 8 concurrent cores for my stuff ;-)
 
To me it's all marketing. But I think Red is the natural evolution for Rebol. Why would a Rebol coder want to write C?
 
@rebol yes, but we are now well into the multi-cpu era
 
3:56 AM
rebol.org - no under my control
 
@user2426942 Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
Call it Rebol, call it Red, it's the next step.
 
rebol.net - hanging in limbo, if someone wants to take it.
 
@rebol Andreas wanted to know if you were able to schedule weekly/monthy chats
@rebol we want it
lol
 
rebol.com - could be a lot more open
 
3:57 AM
@rebol it's too confusing at present with r2 and r3 docs mixed
 
@rebol yes, but what will it take from your side?
 
@rebol I'd propose that all the existing pages be kept up, and not go down for the SEO pain that would cause. But a little header up at the top... like from the Internet Archive... saying "this is historical"... and direct people to a new landing page.
 
Is the rebol.com site completely generated by the WIP ?
 
Ah, on R2/R3 docs. I understand.
Yes, WIP.
 
basically, a few people would maintain the technology running on the web site, others would take care of looks and some would work on the information.
 
3:58 AM
I'm about ready to move the site to a cloud server to make it possible to do more with it.
Moliad, I'm for that.
 
@rebol since the only cgi is the blog I'd suggest moving most of the contents to Amazon S3
 
I think just having people who actually service the beast, in whatever form is what we want. rebol.org has lived on for years all based on volunteers, and it has a LOT of features and stuff. proof that it can work.
 
Is S3 cheaper than Linode?
 
S3 is just storage
so 15c a gb a month
but it can be configured to run a static web server
so, I'd guess it will cost you 15c/month!
can move all the dynamic stuff to rebol.net
 
There would still need to be a server somewhere.
Right.
So... wrapping up...
 
4:04 AM
There are still people wanting to buy R2 sdk licenses
so you need to provide a mechanism for that
 
@rebol Just so you can visit us more often - there's an Android app for this chat.
 
and clearly there can be a rebol app too ... since the bot runs here!
 
I know that everyone has different needs/requirements/wants from Rebol. I also know that folks like Robert have a specific business set of requirements. But, for everyone's benefit, focusing on a 3.0 that becomes a reference standard is a good thing... even if we have to take some features off the list for now (like task! threading).
 
@rebol I think taking threading off would be a good idea, and instead prioritize firming up "the standard" where we get everything like what legal characters are for a word/etc. hammered out is best
We also really want to have things that start with @ , for instance, especially how common they are now... are they email! ? What are they if they start with an @?
 
When you send a directed reply, are you using your mouse each time, or is there a KB shortcut?
 
4:09 AM
there is a shortcut, but you have to specify the msg ID
unless it's the last message showing, I think
 
So, you type the ID each time?
@Adrian test
@Adrian again
@Adrian ok, got it.
 
yup
 
@rebol They didn't go overboard on the keyboard shortcuts. But there are some extensions you can install if you want to be a "power user"
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@rebol Nice to see you here. A few of us are keen to get to 3.0 Is there anything else of the top of your head, that you think is is unnecessary to get to a 3.0? Are they any must haves?
 
Is this a well used chat system? I was surprised to see Rebol so high on the activity list.
Ever get new users here who are just curious what the heck Rebol is?
 
4:11 AM
@rebol yes
several have written blogs about Rebol
after coming here
 
So, are there other hangouts for rebolers? (Other than Altme worlds?)
 
It's not a super high recruiting channel, but we're trying to build awareness.
 
There's usually someone here 24/7
 
@rebol the 20 point req is a pain though
@rebol nothing equally active
 
@rebol there's a google mailinglist
 
4:13 AM
@Adrian yes, that filters out some folks
 
and some BBS's
 
Right, I've seen that google group.
 
from public possibility pov, it is good to be here. Really new users enter the room to check about Rebol and Red, and most of the time they never heard of either. But really - this chat system is imo crappy even compared to Altme (no private messaging, no separate groups, etc.), and then we use e.g. Trello to track tasks. After all those 10 years I still can see IOS unsurpassed :-( I would really like to see it released, and reimplemented ....
 
But this is open and available to anyone interested enough to drop by
 
I've said before that I'd only get on R3 chat, because I can do it from anywhere, and any machine... but this SO is pretty nice...
 
4:14 AM
for now, it's good to bring the community together, not create additional venues, IMO
@rebol yeah, it's nice even from my smartphone
 
Pekr, I agree with you. IOS was really good.
 
@rebol The real hope is to drive the Q&A to the main site, we still haven't really gotten people doing that as much as they should.
It's nice to have a living Wiki-like system, but with curation, for Q&A
 
the idea being to develop an institutional knowledgebase reachable by SE
moving away from websites that can not be "fixed"
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Well, let me know how I can help with that from the blog or main r.com site.
 
@rebol Is there any way we could schedule you to come speak with us another time? The room does have calendar appointments.
 
4:17 AM
btw, I have started using Chris' Quarter master system and its Far more polished than I would have thought
 
I can see Pekr's point about this form of chat. On AltME the speed of flipping between topics made it fairly easy to follow conversations, even days later. I don't know if that's something I can do here.
 
building a simple wiki system with users and cookie support, using it, takes one evening, from scratch when you understand it. it could be a good tool for the future of the various rebol web sites..
just needs apache, mysql and rebol/core
 
@rebol The search (upper right) is pretty fast and flexible. Our goal in general, though, is to make sure anything important makes it into a bug tracker issue or Q&A etc. So it's a last resort to have to dig through the chatter.
 
you can just search using /transcript <search_terms>
 
@moliad Is that Chris RG?
 
4:19 AM
@rebol yes.
 
@rebol I don't think anyone is expected to keep up. You just pop up and chat.
 
I've not followed quartermaster, but I'll need to check it out.
 
It's disposable chat ...
 
ah, good.
I can see the QA working out... if more rebolers start using it.
 
@rebol I'm planning to convert hostilefork.com to QuarterMaster, just if my schedule permits!
In the process hopefully we can get it ported to R3
 
4:22 AM
@rebol ... also if you go to the main SO site, you see messages that have accumulated for you .. at the top left
Under the stackexchange icon
so this applies to here and questions/comments on the main site
 
I notice QA has tagging. Does Rebol get tagged much?
 
272 tags
and 33 for rebol3 tags
 
Ok, done for now. But, this works pretty well for messaging, so I plan to come back... hopefully once a week, and probably mainly on weekends or holidays (like today.)
 
don't forget to mail me ;-)
 
thanks for dropping by, Carl!
 
4:26 AM
@rebol Great news. Looking forward to seeing you here again. The system is indeed quite interesting, and designed from a game theory kind of point of view. Hope you'll enjoy it and visiting us!!
 
@rebol Here's a question that Chris RG wants answered on codecs :) stackoverflow.com/questions/14365034/…
 
We should figure out how to converge on a plan. At this point, I mean figure out how we'd even go about getting organized on it.
 
@rebol If you'd be willing to run Trello on Android, there is an app
Trello is our current best tool for attacking big picture organization...at least, that we have so far
 
Maybe I've got a box here somewhere that will run it. Perhaps windows.
So Trello is pretty good eh?
 
@rebol we just started to use it to try and show the community who is doing what
 
4:28 AM
@rebol for a whiteboard task management approach, yeah
 
I would say so. It's new-ish, but it's slick. From one of the guys behind StackOverflow, actually. (Fog Creek software... Joel Spolsky, also of FogBugz fame)
 
very open-ended
 
So SO makes money? Enough for founders to go do other things?
 
@rebol they licensed their Q&A software
 
They obviously put a lot into this system.
 
4:30 AM
@rebol SO's revenue model is mainly based on job ads targeted toward people based on their Q&A proficiency... as I understand it.
 
Job ads fund this site? Wow... amazing world.
 
Is it like linkedin where people get to mine the database for prospective employees?
 
@rebol Well... and VC's... that was 2010, think they might have gotten more since.
 
Okay, good chat. Hope to talk again soon. Have a good day/night.
 
Nite!
@GrahamChiu You pay them for keyword ads for your job, it's shown to people when they are doing Q&A. They also do free ads for open source projects based on which ones get voted up. We should submit Rebol & Red!
 
4:34 AM
good nite
 
Oh, and BTW, why does the subtitle for this room say "Rebol meets Trello! rebolsource.net/go/chat-faq";?
To casual observer might seem like Rebol is some kind of task planning system? I don't know... maybe that subtitle changes dynamically?
Just a note.
 
@rebol the title changes weekly
depending on the mood of the room
 
room topic changed to Rebol [and Red]: The guru arrives! rebolsource.net/go/chat-faq [dialect] [interpreter] [json] [lisp] [rebol] [rebol3]
 
4:52 AM
@hims056 Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ
 
@RebolBot Thanks..
 
@hims056 What do you mean?
 
@hims056 .. you been greeted by our resident bot :)
 
For the FAQ. :)
 
Welcome from the humans populating this room
Have you heard about Rebol/Red .. ?
if you have, you've just missed the creator of this 18 year old language who was here chatting with us
 
4:58 AM
@hims056 Rebol is an interesting language for those who care about...details. Also being very careful with each byte. It's a "rebellion against complexity", and there's quite a few features in half a megabyte or so... zero install, see rebolsource.net
 
5:53 AM
@rebolek not sure if it will help you but Carl dropped by and said he would upload the R2 console source to github
 
@GrahamChiu I see he was here and I'm going to scan the transcript during my breakfast :)
Then I will look into your tab-box problem.
 
I was looking at adding the tab-box to the demo but it behaves differently from other styles!
 
@GrahamChiu What differences do you mean?
 
it gives an error when I try to set-content main layout/only [ tab-box ... ]
** Script error: in does not allow none! for its object argument
I'll post the code again
view [
	vgroup [
		button "Tab box" on-action [
			set-content main-pan layout/only [
				tab-box ["1" [button "1"] "2" [button "2"]]
			]
		]
		main-pan: hpanel [
			text "Switch me out"
                                        pad 100x100
		] options [init-size: 300x500 max-size: 1000x1000]
	]
]
** Script error: in does not allow none! for its object argument
 
That should work. I will check it.
 
6:01 AM
have breakfast first!
 
 
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8:50 AM
Hello, everyone!
I missed a lot of things! Sorry for discussions mixing-mangling which will happen now. But I think it is good, at this stage, to mix up everything... ;-)
the github fork from MaxV may well be the ideal second repository:
https://github.com/angerangel/r3bazaar
 
We already have a second repository
but it's incomplete
 
Bonjour, M. Carl! Très honoré to tchat with you in this community!
Yes, whenever I start a Rebol3, I just miss two things: a handy console with completion (like the Rebol2 one), and VID...
As far as VID is concerned, this is my company's policy's fault: Windows use is forbidden here... Only GNU/Linux, a few BSD, a lonely Mac...
And these are the two reasons why I still stick to Rebol2/View.
 
9:28 AM
@HostileFork Similar topic: I'm trying to get Magic! running with Rebol3. I am battling with apache2 configuration. Anyone has succeeded running Magic! on a recent apache?
"Rebol is an interesting language for those who care about...details" => not only. It is also very neat for casual programmers, hackers writing dirty code.
I had puzzling experiences, a decade ago, trying to solve a problem with python, SQL, C... spent days unsuccessfully. And then I started a Rebol console, typed a few words "by instinct"... and it worked, almost magically!
My problem was solved in a few minutes.
And frankly, I don't exactly know how it worked: it just did.
The fact that the language is quite close to human logic makes it trivial to write simple thoughts addressing complex problems.
 
 
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11:00 AM
@Oldes cute monkey icon
( or some other animal! )
 
11:55 AM
@GrahamChiu you mean, MaxV's one?
Té! Bonjour, M.Didec!
 

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