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Training wheels (also known as stabilisers in the UK) are an additional wheel or wheels mounted parallel to the rear wheel of a bicycle that assist learners until they have developed a usable sense of balance on the bicycle. Typically they are used in teaching very young children to ride a bike, although versions for adults exist. The term "training wheels" is commonly used in the United States, Canada and Australia to describe the stabilizers' role in learning to ride bicycles. Learning to bicycle Training wheels that prevent the bike from leaning also prevent countersteering, so that, ...
 
KK.
@HostileFork Stop bashing yourself. As long as I remember Rebol, I will remember the person who randomly said "Hi!" to me when I got here by mistake
 
Your avatar is the whole reason I'm here
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@KK., why do you say it was random?
 
@SomeKittens Hehe. I should show you the concept drawings other artist gave me....
 
KK.
@Adrian Hello. For me it was random.
 
5:03 PM
@HostileFork's squatting in this channel (and lack of sleeping) means he'll be able to greet any and everyone who drops in here.
he's the human chat bot
though he'd like to escape that form
 
KK.
@SomeKittens Your avatar is cool too. Someday it will retain people too :-)
 
@Adrian Don't call me human, or you'll piss me off.
 
KK.
@Adrian Does not seem likely. Aah, see his latest post.
 
Really like that video.
 
@SomeKittens every time I see it, it's like the most important fragment out of The Creation of Adam. Just as @GrahamChiu has encoded body points in a moth. It's fancy steganography from the wisest of the wise. :-/
 
5:07 PM
 
KK.
@pekr Its bed time here, and you have frightened me :-) :-)
 
@pekr Erm, not as my URL resolver says it. I would describe that image as "weird dude wearing two rings, with black hair, and there's one freaked out male and female behind him in a store scenario". AFAIK, nothing to do with me.
 
KK: it is an IT guy from The IT Crowd series, nothing scary, just kind of an IT guy, who feels "hostile", when moving away from his server room, where he lives :-)
The series is really funny, I did not mean it as an offense :-)
 
@pekr And somehow, @HostileFork's avatar reminds me of that guy - if you just focus around the eyes.
 
KK.
@pekr not to worry. And no offense. I was joking. (in another chat room, another guy would have made fun of me for saying I was frightened. This shows coolness in this room)
 
5:13 PM
@Adrian I'm... way more attractive, honestly.
 
KK.
@pekr (and really, I was not frightened.)
 
Not that I don't think everyone should have the right do redraw themselves however they like, just saying, even what I'm stuck with is better. :-)
 
You're stuck with a fork?
 
@Adrian I drew that fork. I should dig up what people were proposing.
 
I know - just making a weak joke.
What were they proposing, btw?
 
5:17 PM
@Adrian Alternate designs for the hostile fork.
I won by fiat. Let me find the alternates.
 
KK.
@HostileFork Remember I told you I would be out for a few days?
 
It's rarely productive to engage me in any debate in which I am the arbiter, and AltME has shown this to be the case. So I say: "well, put your debates in an area where I'm not so obviously right all the time"
@KK. Vaguely, but you're ok I hope.
 
KK.
@HostileFork I am perfectly fine. I clicked a few pics.
 
KK.
 
5:24 PM
Why are hard drives in your closet so hard to search? Beam me up.
 
KK.
The Kumbh Mela is a very large gathering of people.
 
I still think I win, I may not be the cleverest of graphic designers. But iconography and sending a message is different from being able to draw.
 
And to think how many pixels you saved with your version.
 
KK.
 
@KK. what's that about?
 
KK.
5:27 PM
@Adrian Thats a pic I took from a train somewhere between Ambala and Delhi.
 
@KK. The staggering depth of history and tradition of deeper cultures than the Americas causes in me two responses. One is "okay, this is too much, I'm out, humanity is insane". The other is "well, maybe I might try that out."
@AustinDavis Welcome, we're not talking about Rebol right now, but we'll go into a sales pitch if given the chance. :-)
"Rebol!?!?! Get in!!!!" :-P
@KK. This immediately struck me as a vegetable, BTW. I bought a bag of brussel sprouts today, trying to eat better and such to appease the fiendish Doctor @GrahamChiu (and his Rebol Treachery).
 
Its ok just looked at the website
 
KK.
@HostileFork If you literally meant it when you said that you go out only for food and beer, then graham is right.
 
@AustinDavis Show us the last code you wrote. No holds barred. What was it supposed to do, what did it do.
@KK. Of course he's right. He's an M.D. and a Rebol programmer. How much more perspective does one need regarding the human condition?
 
@AustinDavis Oh no! Not the website. How was the trip back in time?
 
5:36 PM
Oh I haven't writen anything in Rebol yet, just chillin in SA to chat rooms to kill time in my College classes
 
KK.
@HostileFork I meant, you ought to follow what he says.
@AustinDavis You are in South Africa?
 
I went here red-lang.org and I love how all the rs are in red
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@No Us
*No
 
@AustinDavis Oh, thought you checked out rebol.com
 
Ya that looks old school
 
KK.
@AustinDavis @DocKimbel I think doc did a great thing with the r's:-)
 
5:40 PM
@AustinDavis You like that? It drives me crazy. But it's also in the remake of the electric Dreams video. But... D, is a different language. And then we have the Japanese diet companies, don't get us started.
If anyone bothers to watch the video, I doubt they'd seen the movie I watched. :-/ And so information goes, evolutionary and adaptive.
 
KK.
@HostileFork I am gonna leave now. The blog post is quite incomplete, though. Hope to complete it in tomorrow. (writing formally is hard for me :-) )
 
@AustinDavis The old school is about to go new school, rapidly.
@KK. You're doing great, keep it up, cya soon.
 
KK.
BTW, I hope the link rebolwithkk.blogspot.com does not look arrogant etc.
Good night all. Talk to you soon.
 
@KK. You would have a hard time trumping reboltutorial, or rebol bazaar, or even at this point rebol.com. We're a slave to the name a little, but names are meaningless!
Truth IS Truth. And I know some here in the channel don't believe in God, and okay, that's their choice. But be thankful for that choice, because in the end, Truth is Truth.
It ain't about any book, or some guy in black with a weird outfit, or stained glass windows. Truth just IS.
/End religious rant.
@AustinDavis Well not much happening right now, so what's up?
 
I don't have a programming problem atm just kind of chillin in chat somes
chat rooms*
 
5:49 PM
^-- Not much happening so what's up?
 
Trying to kill time in one of my college classes
 
@AustinDavis You're in class now :-) I'm old enough that there was no WiFi or internet or cell phones in class. The big controversy was graphing calculators...like, maybe you could use a calculator on the test...but what if that calculator could be twisted into a virtual notebook and store your whole textbook. It ruins the course!
Death to the course, that's the worst kind of education.
 
That's ANTI-education. Not META-education.
@AustinDavis You ever see that movie, "The Matrix"?
 
WOAH i know Kung-Fu
 
5:53 PM
@AustinDavis Okay so you saw it.
Did you ever see the sequels? If so, I'm sorry. I had nothing to do with that.
 
Not really only clips
 
didn't want to ruin the integrity of the first one
omg Thank you i love that clip
 
@AustinDavis "They wanted to call it Highway Crossing Frog. Can you believe it? That's about the lamest thing I ever heard."
 
@HostileFork don't worry, I am not currently wearing a hat.
 
5:55 PM
That was back when the movie awards on mtv were realevent
and there parodys were awsome
 
@AustinDavis yeah, well, okay, so if you know the matrix and you realize you're in it, you'll get the effin joke about the PHP logo. It's... a joke, see? A joke for programmers to get...
If you don't get the joke, you missed the CAPTCHA.
 
I code some in php but I don't get the joke :(
 
@AustinDavis The blue piil... vs... the red pill... ah sigh.
 
FUCK...
ok
now i get it
 
@AustinDavis Do we get the mix of your name and my location, there's the next question... but... it's not just about me. I'm a cartoon fork! Forks can't even type, last I checked.
Anyway, that's all irrelevant if you really step up and recognize the talent in the room, you got Mr. @BrianH right here. If you learn Rebol, that means something. If you don't know it, eh, who cares...but...
@AustinDavis which leads us to the question... the most important one... what are you working on right now?
 
6:02 PM
I don't think it would be realvent for this room, but I'm currently working on a multithreading application in java...
Never heard of Rebol before seeing this room
 
@AustinDavis The terrible kerning is a nice punchline, incidentally. Like... it's so bad it's purposeful.
@AustinDavis Yeah you want to know why?
 
@HostileFork, something for SO's todo list: A way to jump from a message to the message it is in reply to. We're a busy room, and referents can scroll off the screen very quickly.
 
@BrianH meta.stackoverflow.com exists, and people like @balpha are reasonable and clever, you just have to ask. It's just the same as Rebol, explain the feature and they will listen as they have time, except its not open source, which is why I want it scraped and ready to twist the key ASAP.
 
@HostileFork much as I like the joke, it's getting dated. PHP's logo is lavender now, with slightly better (though still wrong afaict) kerning.
 
@BrianH The joke is organic, and if you really want to get all CIA with me then we can do so. I have my opinions in all areas, it's just the Rebol area we focus on.
 
6:07 PM
@HostileFork it was just a FYI (though I could use a second opinion on the kerning). Still funny :)
 
@BrianH Well if it wasn't funny we wouldn't participate. Just glad I don't have to do like my friends who are remotes cleaning up drone attacks and directing people on terminals to dispose of X and bring back Y over the bloody bodies by video.
I wish I was joking. :-/
I don't like blood. I like code. I like to pretend the rest isn't there...
 
@BrianH do you mean like the left pointing arrow on a message that is a reply?
 
@KK This blog is open to invited readers only
http://rebolwithkk.blogspot.com/
It doesn't look like you have been invited to read this blog. If you think this is a mistake, you might want to contact the blog author and request an invitation.

You're signed in as REBOL [] to-email debase/base "YmxlY2hub3dza3lAZ21haWwuY29t" 64
 
6:23 PM
@HostileFork, I was working on a design for an AltME replacement that also works with any front end (some notes in the OpenME group on AltME rebol4). Really, it is just a messaging dialect, but allows permalinking, message threads, message security, editing, relinking, etc. SO has a lot of these features already, but it's not open-source, so other people can't make a different front-end for it or extend the features.
 
6:41 PM
@Adrian yup, that's what I meant. Thanks! Not very good discoverability on that feature...
 
It's called hoverability.
 
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] Good catch on the unset words thing, that is definitely something that can be fixed quickly. Keep in mind, Sunanda, that the policy of R3 is to follow the R2 behavior only when there isn't significantly better behavior to follow. Compatibility for compatibility's sake is covered by #666. Our goal is to be better, but significantly better - we don't want to be different for the sake o

 
6:56 PM
@Adrian I wasn't patient enough, apparently. Criticism retracted.
 
I'm working with the DO dialect in Terminal. If I press ctrl + c, it says [escape]. Pressing enter, I get a new prompt. Then, if I type print "Hello World!", nothing is printed
what went wrong?
 
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] Updated the priority of this ticket based on some discussion in #1963 that, while it's unrelated to the minor problem covered by that ticket, made it clear that the /skip option of these functions makes it really important to have a /compare option, and to design the combined /skip/compare behavior from the ground up with the assumption that both options will be available on all recor

 
7:14 PM
@SomeKittens R2 or R3, and on which platform?
 
@BrianH R3 32bit on Linux Mint 13 (OS is 64bit)
 
Someone else will need to help here - I don't have an easily accessible Linux box.
 
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A: How do I pick elements from a block using a string in Rebol?

JinaNot sure this is easy to do with BLOCK! It is simple if you use OBJECT! (aka CONTEXT) instead. That structure is much more optimized for named paths. Using BLOCK!, this at least works, even though not elegant. temp: parse path "/" select select fs to-path temp/1 to-path temp/2

 
Is every command considered a new dialect in Rebol?
 
rebol.com/rebolsteps.html#section-10 - definition of Dialect
 
7:29 PM
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] The series-record functions that do comparisons: - difference - exclude - intersect - sort - union - unique - maximum-of and minimum-of (need renaming and rethinking, see #1818) We also have finding functions that do comparisons (FIND and SELECT) but they don't really do comparisons in a record-oriented way so the combination of /skip and /compare would be different.

 
7:41 PM
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A: How do I pick elements from a block using a string in Rebol?

DocKimbelYou need to complete the input string path with the right root, then LOAD it and evaluate it. >> path: "/usr/local" >> insert path "fs" >> do load path == [ bin [] ]

posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] It appears that the critical issue here is how the /skip and /compare options interact, because it has become clear from the discussion started in #1963 that /compare is going to be necessary to resolve things. Given that the /skip option is used in these cases to treat series as fixed-length records, it seems that we can learn a bit from other database platforms. Series with /skip s

 
@SomeKittens Perhaps every expression runs under one of Rebol's dialects
 
7:58 PM
@GrahamChiu sounds about right
 
hello
Is there a encode-url function written for Rebol3?
And does anyone know how often I need to refresh my cookies before I start getting server errors here when I try to speak?
 
posted on February 26, 2013 by Sunanda

[Comment] It's hard to know how widespread a REBOL coding practice is, but from a quick look at the 1100+ scripts on REBOL.org, it looks like the use of /skip with set operations is rare. I could find only two scripts that used the idiom at all. Both uses UNION rather than UNIQUE, DIFFERENCE, or INTERSECT. www.rebol.org/search.r?find=union/skip So re-engineering for a different model may not

posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] The advantage to line comments is that they are dropped at runtime, and thus take no memory or other runtime overhead. That is also their disadvantage, in case you want those comments showing up when you use SOURCE or other reflection functions, or if you want the comments to survive LOAD-based source transformations. However, those same criticisms apply to the DO dialect COMMENT func

 
8:13 PM
parse something [(comment "Foo")]
 
@rgchris that has more overhead than you'd think. PARSE has to call DO recursively to deal with parens. If, on the other hand, your intention was to discourage the use of comment in parse rules, that would go a long way towards that goal.
 
h:7944350 That's a bug, sorry. (Though things are slightly better than a few weeks back, when Ctrl-C + Enter just crashed.)
@rgchris parse something [({Foo!})] (Nice amalgamation of paren types ... :)
 
@earl Thanks, should I enter that at CureCode?
 
@SomeKittens please do.
 
 
8:24 PM
Room owner can remove stars now
 
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] Why would COPY work on a port in R3 like it does in R2? The port models are different. Are the APPEND and COPY actions even defined for clipboard:// ports? AFAIK the clipboard:// port is a R3-style READ and WRITE based port scheme, not trying to emulate R2-style behavior. It seems to me that the test itself is wrong for R3.

posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] That's more telling than you might think, Sunanda. If it is difficult to find code that uses a feature, it's a hint that perhaps the feature wasn't useful enough. A similar search for the use of the return value of ALTER, not finding anything, led us to change the return value to something more useful in R3. Maybe that will be the case here as well.

posted on February 26, 2013 by SomeKittens

[Bug] Pressing Control + C + enter in the interactive shell causes the next line to not be executed.

 
@RebolBot an encode-url function that takes the data model of decode-url would be a good idea. Someone want to write up the ticket?
 
Ha, a merge!
 
earl has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
8:43 PM
@earl No way! He's still alive?
Aargh! I hope this doesn't reset your countdown, Andreas.
 
RFC: Rough draft of Rebol article (Particularly looking for anything cool you'd like to add on to the end.)
 
posted on January 01, 0001 by carls

m src/core/p-dns.c Merge pull request #66 from earl/fix-empty-dns Fix crash when reading dns:// without a hostname

posted on January 01, 0001 by carls

m src/boot/actions.r m src/core/t-none.c Merge pull request #67 from earl/allow-index-of-none Allow INDEX? of NONE!

posted on January 01, 0001 by carls

m src/core/f-math.c Merge pull request #69 from ladislav/c1 bug#1939

posted on January 01, 0001 by hostilefork

m src/boot/natives.r Allow NEW-LINE and NEW-LINE? to accept PAREN! series

posted on January 01, 0001 by carls

m src/boot/natives.r Merge pull request #70 from hostilefork/paren-new-line Allow NEW-LINE and NEW-LINE? to accept PAREN! series

 
@SomeKitten your draft does not give me permissions to read
 
That's because I don't know how to Dropbox. Fixed link
 
@SomeKitten Rebol source => binary
Clearly I'm not a bot ... but using the chat function to post to see how long this works before I'm forced to refresh some cookies
 
8:59 PM
@RebolBot we look forward to you becoming a bot (no offence intended) :)
 
9:24 PM
This is how R3 chat can be run on R3/Droid:
make-dir %/mnt/sdcard/r3/
change-dir %/mnt/sdcard/r3/
chat
 
9:38 PM
posted on February 26, 2013 by earl

PARSE's TO integer operation positions "at" the given index. In line with how PARSE's TO/THRU relate otherwise, THRU integer should therefore move to the position "next" to the given index: >> parse "abcd" [to 2 (comment {Positions to "bcd".}) "bcd"] == true >> parse "abcd" [thru 2 (comment {Should position to "cd".}) "cd"] == false ;; Expected: true This commit adds the missi

posted on February 26, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] Why? Because: copy: make action! [[ "Copies a series or object." value [series! port! map! object! bitset! any-function!] /part "Limits to a given length or position" length [number! series! pair!] /deep "Also copies series values within the block" /types "What datatypes to copy" kinds [typeset! datatype!] ]]

posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] Whether a particular action applies to a port scheme depends on the scheme model. If it doesn't apply to the model for a particular scheme, it isn't supported, regardless of whether the action has port! in its spec or not. COPY only has port! in its spec to make it possible to support in schemes, not because it is supposed to be supported. R3-style schemes generally don't have the se

 
10:22 PM
@Ladislav so the r3 chat server is running again ...
 
10:56 PM
Nice, I see new binaries
 
@RebolBot Hooray for automation :)
 
11:11 PM
Yes, hooray! - but what happened to the rest of the pull requests?
 
@Adrian Probably stumbled upon one which took too long to look over, and moved elsewhere :)
 
hmmm
You didn't answer my countdown question, Andreas - has it gone negative?
I mean does Carl's reappearance reset it?
 
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] In SO chat someone pointed out this transform. This: [comment "This is a comment!"] becomes: [("This is a comment!")] This: [comment [rule you don't want executed]] becomes: [([rule you don't want executed])] This approach would have more overhead, but it's doable in a pinch.

 
It has run to zero before. The reappearance resets it, but it probably won't stop the things I'm slowly setting into motion.
 
Carl is still intermittently here. Welcome and valuable, but not synchronous.
 
11:33 PM
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] Fix by Andreas here: https://github.com/rebol/r3/pull/97

posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] See #1818 for a more detailed discussion of the *? naming convention and when it is appropriate (it's not appropriate in some of the cases where it is used already). WHAT-DIR isn't really used in conditional expressions, so it wouldn't really be appropriate to add a ? to the end of it. We can't just add a ? to the end of every function that returns information, or else it would make t

 
11:54 PM
posted on February 26, 2013 by BrianH

[Wish] MAXIMUM-OF and MINIMUM-OF don't actually return the maximum or minimum of a series, they return the series at the position of the maximum or minimum. Gregg has suggested that these be renamed to FIND-MAX and FIND-MIN instead. This would allow us to create different MAXIMUM-OF and MINIMUM-OF functions which actually do return the maximum and minimum values. Normally this would be against

 
@Feeds I'd be more inclined to have refinements of 'find-max and 'find-min. Which is the expected behavior? If it is to return the position, then maybe have 'find-max for the position and 'find-max/value for the value. If it is to return the value, then have 'find-max for the value and 'find-max/pos for the position.
@Feeds I think it is better to keep the name-space less cluttered by using refinements to expound on mezzanines of like functionality.
 
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