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12:03
@Magisch if we're gonna get that ridiculous compare what you said with "I am an older member of the community, and I have read through years of transcripts, and you should really not just close that room down". See also chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=thanks&user=&room=10. — R. Martinho Fernandes 1 hour ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes: That's 22402 messages. Guess what room has 27595 "thanks" messages? And not nearly as many "Offensive" flags. ;-) — Cerbrus 46 secs ago
Shots fired :P
Lol
The only issue I would see is if a moderator intervened on a personal agenda, for example taking something personally offensively that they can't justify banning people for, such as disagreeing viewpoints on issues like feminism or etc, such things probably shouldn't be discussed in SO chat though. From the limited amount that I've seen, the C++ room was just being vulgar ...
Remove problem users, continue with life.
Chat should be a privilege that can be removed :P
Right, I agree
It isn't a room issue, it is a people issue
Totally agreed
12:18
@Jefery I am afraid not everyone will appreciate the irony. — Bartek Banachewicz 10 hours ago
such drama
much wow
Even the great Bartek doesn't understand the difference between sarcasm and irony.
bows before The Great Bartek
^irony and sarcasm, bitches!
shh he knows haskell gives him cool points
So does @cimmanon
She actually commands respect, though.
doge isn't a douche
he is
x.x
12:20
x.x
you're gonna get banned now
2edgy
/care
*playing devil's advocate* now imagine it from their perspective though.
You're a regular in a chatroom and you've made a bunch of friends there with who you like to joke around and even talk about personal subjects. Your humor just happens to be the offensive type. Wouldn't be fun to get suddenly kicked out of the room by some "outsider"
togl
togl? That's new.
@PraxisAshelin That's why we made a slack channel.
@PraxisAshelin gotta keep in mind this is a public chat
So we can be offensive children in private.
12:21
^
It's not like our room has been perfect. Think of our ead jokes and my... Stories xP
Your stories were told on IRC
Mostly.
Nov 12 at 17:01, by BoltClock
!!tell BoltClock ead
your stories made it to hackernews
Some in chat
12:21
And they aren't offensive.
ead also isn't offensive lol
!!tell BoltClock ead
@BoltClock Eat a Dickā„¢
#plesdntbanme
To us maybe xD
Anyhoe, if people are gonna dig into transcripts I m thinking SO will close down chat rooms :P
12:22
the things we've discussed here x.x
I could be easily kicked from the chatrooms
@Kitler: You said "Hoe"! You better be referring to the farming tool!
@Kitler Since the slack channel, things have changed here :P
If any of us runs for president this room is full of blackmail
@PraxisAshelin Have you joined the slack?
12:22
@Cerbrus I m a farmer at heart
@Kitler at least we're totally anon
To be honest your name is offensive enough lol
nein
had my actual name early on
@Sippy no, everything in the world is blocked for me at work
@Kitler And your twitter account is linked, rip.
12:23
and my github account :P
@Cerbrus top wat sir
Hey, what ever happened to our little terrorist friend? I miss him
wot
Oh
Delete all the evidence!
12:24
Wait no I'm still lost.
@PraxisAshelin Who?
We had a guy
Arabian, allahu akbar
Kitler's still here
lol
Would joke about blowing things up
baseless accusations!
12:24
I'm 99% sure you mean patsy and you don't realise it's Kitler.
He changed names a bazillion times, I have no idea
twice
@Sippy yeah probably xD
rekt
I changed my damn name twice -.-
12:25
@PraxisAshelin You mean rlemon's best friend right? :P
Sooo @Kitler hey long time no see!
BasementKeyboardsomething and kitler :P
Yeah it's kitler.
Never realised that was u
12:26
You got your little terrorist friend back!
lol
Thought u were a new guy!
He can't make terrorist jokes anymore though because his govt will come for him.
lol
what govt
rip
12:26
things are falling apart here :P
The fact that you even have internet is simply amazing.
Then again even Syria has internet.
@Kitler u mean at SO or...
XD
Camel poweredā„¢
I thought yours was goat powered?
we upgraded
12:27
He traded his 2 goats for a camel
Sweet now you can trade the camel for another wife!
@Sippy but which will run faster
Your mbits might suffer.
@Kitler When you and Jo moving btw?
no idea
states is off the table
Too terroristy to get in?
12:30
they want me to go there and have her wait for 3-4 years until her application is "considered"
I sent them dickpics back
I hear Paris is free
Seems fair.
Good idea, go to Paris and get murdered for having a beard.
Inb4 we all get banned here by mada-chan
We'll get a number of warnings if we are deemed to actually be being offensive.
C++ room had lots of chances to chill the fuck out.
C++ has been frozen / discussed before
12:33
For comparison, JavaScript got frozen last year and now it's a fairly awesome place if I'm not mistaken.
C++ got frozen and then turned back into a hive of scum and villainy!
Javascript room vs C++, meanwhile normal ppl are talking about Turkey vs Russia
If JS shoot down any C++ jets everything's gonna go to shit.
to be fair the js rooms fiasco was unwarranted
The JHawins one?
yes
12:35
I do remember u guys talking bad about the js room
the gamers gate bull
Yeah that was a super-admin on a personal agenda imo.
That was wrong and the staff member should've been brought to terms, but because of who he was that shit wasn't gonna happen.
@Sippy okay, I need to know about this
This ain't a democracy and nor should it be, though.
So people who don't like it are free to abandon ship :D
@GNi33 Uhhhhh
I think I missed that one
12:37
@GNi33 tl;dr some chick was publicly shaming people by making a bot that got tweets that were kinda/sorta related to pro gamers gate people, jhwains and rlemon joked about ddosing her, she saw traffic on her sites coming from the chat rooms, check the transcript, tweeted, SO panicked ban left and right
This makes me realize I've been out of the loop for nearly a year now :(
we need a SO-Chat drama website or wiki
@GNi33 yeah lol
@Kitler haha, that sounds fun as hell
yup
12:38
Basically one of the pro-gamergate staff members went HAM and made an example of someone for joking about spamming the girl's github with pull requests.
first migration to miaou
^
miaou was cool I liked miaou
that's when we got the crab in here
JS was 2much dramaaaa
so why the hell don't we use miaou? screw Slack :D
12:39
Cos Kitler is a dickbean
There was a tumblr dedicated to the worst SO questions
@BoltClock probably maintains that xD
@PraxisAshelin did it screenshot main each 5 min?
@Sippy no :c
I see those every day, why would I need a angsty tumblr blog on top of that?
12:39
Agh my mobile is being a dick imma log off, cya
@Kitler hahaha, my thougts exactly
@PraxisAshelin <3 o/
@GNi33 tops you d get 1-2 false positives each day
@BoltClock Thought it might be a mod :P
topkek
12:41
kk gonna close chat, need to get shit done :P
Good idea.
o/
If he wants a "certificate", w3schools is a "good" "option".
:') @Cerbrus
12:51
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Q: Less and Lint: Why is using the same URL multiple times in CSS a bad practice?

lampshadeLet's consider this example: .a { background: url(sprite.png) no-repeat -16px 0; } .b { background: url(sprite.png) no-repeat -32px 0; } When parsing this with LintCSS I get this warning: Background image 'URL' was used multiple times, first declared at line X, col Y. Every background-imag...

Why does CSS Lint still exist?
> Background image 'URL' was used multiple times, first declared at line X, col Y. Every background-image should be unique. Use a common class for e.g. sprites. (duplicate-background-images)
Worst rule
Can anyone help me interpret these instructions?
I feel like I should be able to just download a plugin and install it on a wordpress instance, what's all this vagrant and chassis stuff?
@StephanMuller That's for setting up a test server to mess around with if you don't have one already
hmm, yeah I guess so
is it me or doesn't it say how/where to just download the plugin at all?
I suspect you should be able to do this without needing to vagrant up if you have a dev environment
13:03
oh I can just use the wordpress plugin directory, duh
@StephanMuller apparently some documentation sites don't link back to their home/download
But yeah
13:30
Hello! Has anyone had issues with PhpStorm and auto-deploying transpiled CSS file after LESS has completed?
@BoltClock are you guys still having fun over at lounge?
@Deele what's the matter?
It seems that PhpStorm uploads CSS before LESS has finished transpiling, resulting in requirement of manual CSS upload after changes
how is your auto upload set up?
auto upload on external changes
that's kinda weird then
13:32
maybe, file watcher process is failing to trigger external file change in the right moment
I don't use that feature anymore because it basically disables being able to work with git
I'm auto-uploading to server, to test stuff, I do commits only when feature is complete, so, there is no issues with GIT
you never switch branches?
can we somehow get this user in here? that would be insanely helpful sometimes :D
each new feature set is single branch, so, I don't really jump branches
maybe, that is just because we have small team and we try not to interfere with code other people is working on... its a custom that we inherited from "FTP times"
how's your build process set up?
are you running it from within PHPStorm?
13:39
@Rvervuurt Did slack just die? Can't get back on it lol
@GNi33 invite her(?) to chat?
@GNi33 we don't have to build, only thing are LESS Files, that everyone has "file watchers" configured for
and those file watchers live in- or outside of the IDE?
@GNi33 Inside IDE
WELLLLLLL rip slack.
13:45
@Sippy whats with slack?
dunno
14:01
i spent over an hour trying to write a script that would automatically download images off of a wiki based on content in my database. it would have taken almost the same amount of time to manually download each individual image >.>
@cimmanon Think about re-use possibilities!
@Sippy yay!
We can come be offensive children in here and get this room shut down too if you like
idc
Only problematic users would be removed anyway :P
We don't want to be removed hence the slack.
14:10
i thought you guys were hanging out on slack because of a certain help vampire
That might've been the kicker but the general reason is because the room was getting rowdy :P
@GNi33 ouch, are those tags even ontopic?
And we can say what we want on slack and no one gets butthurt.
@cimmanon you're looking at it wrong
you just had some fun programming practice for an hour
and as a side effect you also downloaded the images you needed
double whammy
i dont find writing bash scripts very fun
14:13
there's just no way to make you see the positive side of anything, is there?
sure there is, theres just nothing positive about writing bash scripts :p
ok then
next time you have to write an annoying bash script again it'll be a bit easier because of the practice you just had
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interesting error.
@cimmanon because urls without .html or .php extensions are more SEO friendly from what I've read.
@Mdermez that's bollocks
14:21
@Mdermez i would like to see your source becase ive read an interview with a google employee who says the exact opposite
@Mdermez Nothing to do with SEO, it is only related to UX
as far as I know search engines used to have a slight preference for .html, but the benefit was marginal and nowadays they just recommend to have your urls the same structure (just don't mix extensions)
then again, my SEO knowledge is already outdated as well so who knows what's new
all I know is that 90% of SEO is people repeating incomplete or even incorrect information and everybody being very, very scared of losing their ranking. what a shitty way to go through life
Because search engines are not giving up on their algorithms and real values, it is all up to creating quality content and provide correct META data - if that is done properly, SE will do the rest
I had a friend who used to do SEO as a hobby with blogs etc
He used to be able to get a lot of random crap onto the frontpage for most searches
Abe
Abe
@StephanMuller it's not bollocks "foo" in "/foo-bar.htm" has 1 out of 3 words pertinence, while in "/foo-bar" is 1 out 2
14:26
was that back in the googlebomb days?
It was about 4-5 years ago
Abe
Abe
clearly, it could make an exception for .htm/.html, but i won't be sure it does it for .php
and in case you are wondering, keyword in url is like the second (third?) most important factor for on-page ranking
indeed, and wasting that space with "html" seems pointless
@Abe what does this mean?
I think this is a nice guide :) for more SEO friendly urls
https://moz.com/blog/15-seo-best-practices-for-structuring-urls
14:29
I would say, that you need to add extension in the end only if output is not HTML document
@Deele "need" for what?
Abe
Abe
@StephanMuller wow, is that very unclear?
it does not matter what parser/language you use to create HTML document, so user does not care about extension, as long as browser is being able to open it
@Abe "1 out of 3 words pertinence"
I don't know what that means
oh wait, I think I can guess
Abe
Abe
1 word match against 3 total words is less pertinent than 1 word match against 2 total words
14:31
and I am pretty certain that search engines know about file extensions and ignore them anyway
Abe
Abe
not so sure @StephanMuller, perhaps in the past and for .htm only
@Deele oh right, you mean don't include .html, .php etc but do include .pdf right? then yes
@StephanMuller yes, correct
@Abe what makes you say that
unless youre searching for something like "php dentistry" (ie. 2 keywords that have nothing to do with each other), the file extension isnt really going to impact your search results
Abe
Abe
14:33
^
Guys I don't know much but a part of SEO has to do with how users interact with what they see. So a more friendly url that looks more like a title or something is more likely to be clicked than another that has weird extensions or code at the end.. :)
Abe
Abe
imho, and it's a guess, file extensions are treated as regular words
ditto
@Abe your mom is treated as a regular word
So yes people will choose "mypage" instead of "mypage.html" ... because it looks more like a title. :)
14:36
@Mdermez no, SEO has to do with how to improve your ranking in search results.
it just happens that some crawlers favor content that is good for the user.
@Mdermez That is not SEO
designing for the user is UX (user experience)
Abe
Abe
@TylerH dammit casual flaggers are never around when you say such things
wait, that depends. If the URL shows in the SERP and then the user clicks it more, it is SEO actually
You can hide a weird url with JS anyway
14:38
@Abe that's the problem, no offense. SEO is full of "imho" and "it's a guess"
its possible to design a page that ranks well but has shitty UX
it made me leave the field, because that's no way to work
it's a part of SEO in my opinion. Because it's the user that defines what will be on the top of results :)
@cimmanon it is, but it has been Google's goal for a while to bring the two closer together though
Abe
Abe
@StephanMuller to me it's like learning css without reading a documentation or a spec. you can guess how it works
the bad thing is that rules change frequently
14:40
@Abe you can try but you'll never get it entirely right
and then people start working not based on reliable information but on hearsay
@StephanMuller i agree, but at this point in time i dont think we're at the point where google can take into account things like slow loading pages due to shitloads of ads or other bad UX/dark patterns
and that wouldn't be so bad, but people get really scared when they think they'll lose their ranking
@cimmanon they try to, though
slow loading times is actually often mentioned by Google as a very bad SEO signal
same with referral ads
I used to work for a pr0n site of which the whole revenue model was based around referral ads, it was really hard to get any decent google result because they actively discourage such links
So designing for the user it's SEO. if one day users change their mind and decide that they like mypage##1.thme.com (that's just an example) then everyone will try to convert their urls to look like this. So then it won't be just designing for the user. It will be SEO :)
@Mdermez no, designing for the user is UX
@Mdermez no, designing for the users correlates with SEO, and Google tries to add some causation to it.
Abe
Abe
14:43
on page ranking is nearly completely useless though. it only matters if you target long tail keywords
@StephanMuller video or images?
@cimmanon back then images
we set up our own tube-type site when I worked there
well, images are low on content that can be digested by search engines :p
well in the end it's SEO... isn't it ? :) websites are for the users .. and rankings depend on the visits from the users.. am I so wrong ? :)
14:44
late to the game though, big players like redtube and xtube were way ahead of us
@cimmanon I know
it was a tough job
@Mdermez you are not listening to what we are saying, you just want to hear you're right
you're not
@Abe that's because I'm the casual flagger
if you say php I flag it
^ flagged
flag all the things!
Abe
Abe
newcomers: don't flag us, we are all friends and we are joking, thanks
flag ^
14:47
Hi all, any Sublime Text user here ?
1 message moved to Trash
no all the losers here use emacs
@Muhammet you just posted that question a few minutes ago, give it some time
except Abe who uses phpstorm
Abe
Abe
eat a container of dicks
14:48
emacs? ew
vim ftw
@Muhammet shift+f3 ?
real men use cat
@cimmanon Alright :)
@cimmanon instructions unclear, had to be surgically removed from my cat
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@Mdermez No, that just makes it go one result up.
14:51
@Muhammet alt+enter?
I read your question but I am not sure what do you want to do .. :/
Selects them all haha
if you have a highlighted result then that's it. if you lose the focus then you have to "find" it again :/ I guess ..
@TylerH oh god ..
@Mdermez For example: I search for "next" and want to edit the first match using keyboard when focus is on search bar.

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