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19:00
I'm allergic to people
@ircmaxell No. Perhaps it's just one of those things.
@RaghavSood @RichardJ.RossIII That's actually pretty cool that you can beat an allergy
@Neal I suspect he just thought the behavior exacerbated a situation that one would expect a moderator calm
@casperOne No man, the heroin ones are where it's at.
@casperOne quite possibly... IRL: Anthony Ferrara, although that's a common name anyway
19:00
@Neal Uh, I was there, he's right.
@Shog9 eh? I dont understand that sentence
@Neal I didn't see the entire interaction with the 12-year-old user, but what I saw of it was pretty clear. Even if he had provoked the chat earlier, you still could have responded more constructively.
@BoltClock It depends on the allergy. Some just naturally go away.
Seriously. He isn't bashing if he's raising a legitimate concern in a manner that isn't inflammatory.
@JeremyBanks I tried to. I even answered his questions on SO
19:01
@Reno Try Fauxfolks® - all the flavor, none of the soylent green
whatever... I am done... Others have agreed that it was overboard, but whatever...
@ircmaxell Ever do anything in the Bronx? NYC?
@Neal the only part I'll add to this: how many times have we had to call for moderator intervention in the room because you were either acting up, trying to cheat the system or otherwise creating havoc?
@Neal I think you're forgetting that being helpful != answering questions.
@casperOne I work in Time's Square, so yes I'm in NYC quite often... :-D
19:02
@Neal I will note that the user stopped registering after I made a few nice comments towards him, respectfully. He also apologized for his behaviour. Other factors might have influenced him too, but in any case I don't think he'd have apologized to you.
@ircmaxell Hmm, I'm like seven blocks away, but I don't think that's it.
To be clear: I don't think @Jeremy's comment is entirely accurate; from what I saw, that particular user was perfectly willing to keep registering whether or not he got a response from anyone in the community
weird
@ircmaxell When did I ever "cheat the system"?
That said, no one outside of the current mod team / Comm Team knows the full details of that situation, so I'm not inclined to hold that against @Jeremy
19:03
It was a little confusing to follow, what with the comments being constantly deleted.
@casperOne w00t 57th and madison
Okay, look. This is getting out of hand. Some of us want to have a real in-depth conversation about pringles, and you keep beating a dead horse, all of you. Can we just end this now by saying that everyone has their own opinion, and nothing that is said in here will most likely change that?
@Neal Quite often... But I'll get you a few examples from the history...
@JeremyBanks So why make claims if you do not have the whole story?
@RichardJ.RossIII Fun fact: throwing dirt at an enemy's eyes is a skill you can learn in the new Tomb Raider game that's coming out next week
19:04
@Neal I'm on 55th and 6th. Midtown is hedge fund central, which is generally where I am.
@BoltClock still trying to scroll up? Well stop it!
@Neal Because the fact that you were getting dragged into a fight with a twelve-year-old reflects badly on you however it started.
@casperOne ditto. wow ur like 3 blocks away from me
@Neal As a moderator, you would be expected to settle disputes, calm upset or unruly users, pour oil on troubled waters far and wide... @Jeremy is suggesting that you have a mixed track record in this regard.
@BoltClock This surprises me to be a thing that one has to actually learn.
@Shog9 ...pour oil into water?
19:05
Am I the only one here who doesn't live in new york?
@RichardJ.RossIII I don't. Shog doesn't.
@RichardJ.RossIII Nope.
neh @RichardJ.RossIII
@RichardJ.RossIII I don't live in New York...
Okay, I guess the notifications speak for themselves
19:05
Hehe.
@Shog9 I understand that. but to bring up one thing that might have been a blunder is not a shot in the heart! I am sure mods have made many mistakes, and have fixed them
I don't! I also felt like piling on since everyone else did.
For a second there I felt famous!
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@ric - far from it :P
19:06
@Neal Sure. So what? This isn't about you; it's about the sort of moderator you would make.
@RichardJ.RossIII Probably?
@RichardJ.RossIII Until your ears started bleeding from the notification sound?
@Shog9 So one blunder does not a non-mod make
@animuson haha, I keep my mac muted.
@Neal Exactly --- @JeremyBanks merely made a point. He didn't remove you from contention.
19:07
@Shog9 Not only was that a mess to even find the definition, but it makes no attempt to explain how in the hejudas oil calms troubled waters.
Honestly, if anything it sounds more like an expression to get opposing forces to unite against a common enemy.
@Shog9 Again I have been moderating a G+ page with almost 50K people for 2 years and a community with the same amount. I know how to deal with people (sometimes) Ill give you that I am not the best people person, but not everyone is, but that does not make them a good choice to be a moderator.
@GraceNote I have to honestly agree. We are all focusing on the wrong person here. Everyone should talk about how awesome I am at being a moderator and not about neal over there! :)
@Lusitanian all people see is that big dark orange number and read it thinking it is the most important thing in the world and they are turned away
and here's the discussion that it provoked: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/6894130#6894130
...oh. Cooking oils.
@ircmaxell @Neal ouch, that's hard to ignore. Bold letters and a link to your own post? I think that's a bit much.
@Neal Seems like the sort of thing you'd want to put in your nomination...
@ircmaxell That's another really strong point against.
@Neal If that's why you think you would make a good moderator, why isn't that in your nomination post?
19:09
@GraceNote No, clearly they're talking about massage oils!
@RichardJ.RossIII That was argued over and it was removed.
@Neal So update your nomination and explain the situation in bigger, bolder letters.
@Neal No, I removed it, and you argued about my removal
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@JeremyBanks I put that in last years nomination and I was yelled at for it. (see manisearth's comments: stackoverflow.com/election/3#post-10899121 )
@GraceNote Always tempted to use "bridge over troubled water", then remember that's Simon & Garfunkel
19:10
@ircmaxell yes, and now I agree with you.
@Neal Doesn't allow you to change the facts
lol nice try @Neal
:)
that was 2 months ago. Not 2 years ago
EVERYONE.
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A: What kind of leaks does automatic reference counting in Objective-C not prevent or minimize?

user2081997Boltclock you are a dork I just wanted to help getting my form to work. Now I can no longer ask questions to receive help because of you loser.

@Neal that was what, 3 months ago? So you're saying in 3 months you changed your attitude entirely/
@BoltClock DORK!
19:11
@RichardJ.RossIII after that incident? yes.
@BoltClock How nice
I'm back. What did I miss?
@BoltClock but you are a dork, what's the issue? :-P
@RichardJ.RossIII do you realize that a whole college semester is only about 3 months, yes?
More attacks on @Neal's life
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19:12
@dorkClock (with affection :)
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@ircmaxell "This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question."
@Neal correct, but how often does a single semester in college change your entire attitude?
@BoltClock lol
Seriously, I vote for @BoltClock to be renamed to @DorkClock on MSO!
@Shog9 I added that to my nomination.
19:13
@RichardJ.RossIII Let me just hack in again, and I'll change it for you :-D
@RichardJ.RossIII It did for me. That is when I decided not to be a math teacher and to do what I love best -- programming :-)
This is way more entertaining than Grand Theft Auto IV...
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PSA: killing hookers is NOT appropriate for this room.
@animuson I have to agree. Gotta pick SA over IV.
@Shog9 You should pin that
19:15
@Shog9 aww man, but I just stole this perfectly awesome tank from down the road, I cant use it just once?
@Shog9 Bribing officials, however, is. As long as it's under the table.
@TimStone and it involves the giving of many tulips.
@Neal What does that have to do with anything...?
@TimStone I do prefer my bribes that way, but I'm not picky.
19:17
@TimStone Clearly in GTA you just go and kill your opponents; no bribing is necessary.
@MadaraUchiha PSA
@animuson except in those stupid godawful missions that seem to be in every game where you must follow a person without being seen.
@RichardJ.RossIII There's a million of those in Assassin's Creed. Then they have to add the side objectives "don't use any bushes while trailing"and stuff.
Congratulations! We've successfully converted the Election chat room into a Gaming chat room!
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@animuson I gave up on AC after the first one. They took the story in a direction I didn't care for
Not to mention the repetitive gameplay
Although, nothing's more repetitive than infinity blade.
@RichardJ.RossIII I just got addicted to that game!
19:19
Great tech demo, but where's my open world sword fighting game that I was promised apple?
I'm still butthurt about that one.
@animuson Nice implication that we actually talk about video games in the Arqade chatrooms.
contemplates migrating this conversation to PHP
It was free last week in the AppStore.. Now I cant stop playing it... @RichardJ.RossIII
@Shog9 I don't suppose you know if there are any plans to make it easier to link nomination comments?
@Neal once you start, you never can stop!
It's just like Cocaine!
19:20
@JeremyBanks Probably around the time we get support for, say, linking to them in profiles and in flags.
@Shog9 I vote for c++
@RichardJ.RossIII I really can't... also I have beaten the boss guy a few times already... no idea how you actually get the infinity blade (aside from buying it)
@RichardJ.RossIII I didn't care for AC3, but enjoyed the first and second series. The America thing was just... dreadful.
@Shog9 There's a room where it is? Link?
19:21
@casperOne LOL
@Shog9 please.... please no...
@MadaraUchiha you have made that my new favorite GIF.
@RichardJ.RossIII I know, right? :D
Although, not many GIFS are better than GIF peanut butter....
19:23
@ircmaxell :-P
@RichardJ.RossIII you're pronouncing it wrong
...and that makes you a bad mod candidate
@Shog9 GIF is pronounced like JIF peanut butter.
19:24
@RichardJ.RossIII You are tragically wrong.
At least, according to compuserve
That alone is a good reason to never pronounce it that way
@Shog9 I have always pronounced it JIF
19:25
@Shog9 I'll be there in a GIFFY!
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I've never understood pronouncing abbreviations as if they were actual words...
@Neal You should probably avoid mentioning that in your nomination
@Lix Who has the time to speak each letter individually?
@Shog9 oy.
58 secs ago, by Shog9
That alone is a good reason to never pronounce it that way
19:26
Okay I think the gif spam must end
Feb 22 at 17:08, by Shog9
This room is intended as a place to converse with candidates, discuss moderator traits, etc. Use Meta for general questions about the election process
@Lix lol I love how Israelis say DVD
haha
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@nea - its terrible right :P
@Lix haha yea.
19:27
@Lix @Neal I'm not sure I get that joke... Will someone explain it to me?
@RichardJ.RossIII I may have to vote for you simply because you quit AC after the first one.
@LordTorgamus YES! More votes! MY EVIL PLAN IS WORKING!
@Neal ... Dee-Vee-Dee...
What's so wrong with it?
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@jer - this conversation might be better suited for linguistics.SE :P
@MadaraUchiha I'm glad I'm not the only one, Is that an inside joke?
19:28
@MadaraUchiha ive heard some say dividi (the i being the e in egg sound)
Great, now we can migrate the whole chat over to linguistics.SE on a whim!
Let's see, what other words are pronounced funny...
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@ric - I'm not sure if I could explain it really... It's something to do with the accent... almost sounds like gee-vee-gee
@Lix oh gee!
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I've heard URL being said as "You're'll"
@Lix wait, that's not how you pronounce it? Lol I usually say it 'earl'.
19:30
@Neal Who?
I'm from Israel, no one I know says "devede"
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@ric - No way! I might live in Israel.. but was raised in Zimbabwe... I have more of a British/South African English...
Open question to all candidates: Sometimes I get the feeling that on SO is becoming a tag where you have the blind leading the blind. What do you think (in general) should be done to ensure that sanity prevails, and not just group-think (or do you think that group-think is ok)...? And not what you would do, but what SO should do (community or otherwise)
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@MadaraUchiha sweet, my dad's been to Israel like 6 times, what part of the country are you in?
@MadaraUchiha idk... must have only been one family then...
@ircmaxell wait, we're not trying to make this a structured conversation are we? Blasphemy! BAN HIM!
19:32
@ircmaxell I've actually referred to that in the comments on my nomination
@ircmaxell First (and subsequent) person that recommends gets their account destroyed.
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I think we need to teach the PHP community cough teresko cough some patience.
@casperOne HOW DO I USE ALERT AFTER HEADER()? :|
Second, we should implement a that concentrates all common questions in an easy matter.
@MadaraUchiha I WILL END YOU!
19:33
@MadaraUchiha byee!
one candidate down...
@ircmaxell Basically
Yes! More votes for me!
19:33
@ircmaxell The is in somewhat similar shape
Except not all leaders are blind here
@RaghavSood I figured it wasn't an isolated problem...
I think the key here is being patient and gracious with newcomers.
We had that, and we lost it. You know what I mean, you were there the whole time.
@MadaraUchiha patient how?
@MadaraUchiha any ideas on how to go about doing that?
@ircmaxell I agree that folks can (and often are) extremely frustrating
19:34
@RaghavSood I have to agree. I tend to help out while I'm researching many of the FAQ problems there (still a bit of an android novice), but duplicate questions as a whole are getting out of hand. You have to wonder how we can encourage users more to research their problems before posting on SO.
@RaghavSood That's a severe understatement.
@RichardJ.RossIII No, not trying to make it official, the thought just came to me, so I figured I'd throw it out...
But sometimes, I feel that we are too... ferocious... in the PHP room towards newcomers.
Being gracious and patient is one thing. Newcomers asking questions is acceptable. They're bound to have questions. What goes wrong is when newcomers answer the questions of new comers. I don't have nearly enough not an answer flags a day. Plus, pretty much 8/10 questions are a duplicate on Android
@RaghavSood same situation in
19:35
@RaghavSood at that point, does it become worth SO's time to have a separate review queue, for first posts in certain tags, that can only be visited in tags that you have say, 15 answers and over 50 upvotes in?
@RaghavSood I'm getting Deja Vu.
Of course, for certain smaller tags it doesn't make sense,
How are the candidates going to balance these desires (cleaning up tags, welcoming newcomers) against the more immediate work of handling flags? Don't get me wrong, I want to see all of those things (especially in those tags), but first rule of moderation, handle the flags. And we always have flags.
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but for some of the larger ones it could be very valuable.
@RichardJ.RossIII You'd end up with such queues for several of the big tags
19:36
in PHP, yesterday, by PeeHaa
@MadaraUchiha Not that I really care about the [android] tag, but there is really a lot of crap in there
It would spread reviewers too thin
@casperOne Easy. Time management.
@RaghavSood exactly, but that's kind of the point - only have people reviewing who know what they're doing
I don't have a life, and am not currently in school, so I have all day to do this stuff!
@MadaraUchiha You'll have to elaborate on that.
Dictate a set time for handling flags, because like you said: There's always flags.
19:37
hey
vote for all
@casperOne An Android tag tab is always open on my computer. I can search and close/delete/destroy questions that need it on the spot then and there
You set 30-40-60 minutes a day for flag handling.
The rest goes for the other activities.
@wandarkaf I hope that all is [php] and vote is close vote
Also note, as moderators, while we like it if you have experience in a tag that the other moderators are not familiar with, you will have to handle flags in tags you have no familiarity with.
@casperOne I'm aware of that.
I've picked that up on my (little) time on Anime and Manga.
There are anime there that I've never seen or heard of before, and yet, people flag.
19:38
@casperOne Yep. That's a perfectly understandable and acceptable requirement
Having a mod per major tag would be just pointless
I concur. Ideally we could have a system where moderators only moderate tags where they are knowledgeable, but having too many mods at that point would cause the integrity of the group as a whole to falter
I think a mod on the problematic tags is important, if not mandatory.
I think that most, if not all, nominees right now can read code in pretty much every major programming language. Almost all of us appear to have significant programming experience too, so it is not too wild to imagine that we can tell whether a problem is possible in a language, or whether the given code is making sense and so on
The less critical tags can pretty much handle themselves without a specific mod.
Personally, I've worked with 16 languages (if you count HTML, CSS as languages) over almost 7 years
19:40
(I mean, a mod would still need to handle flags there, but not preform heavy cleanup etc)
@MadaraUchiha the problems with having a 'dedicated' moderator for a tag compounds with time. At the start it may seem like a good idea - but if there is no one else who takes the time to deal with flags, then the pile just grows and grows. Not to mention the fact that focusing on one tag is great, until the technology dies out. While something may be 'big' now, nothing guarantees that it will be in say, a year and a half.
@RichardJ.RossIII No, not a specific mod for a tag.
But a mod who is expert in a specific tag.
Who feels most at home at that specific tag.
@MadaraUchiha at what point do you call someone the 'expert'? I could say that I am at home with iOS, or C, or Objective-C, but what does that really translate to in the flag queues
Another thing I've noticed on Android is that in the past couple of month, there's an unusually high number of people trying to make a quiz app with predefined, but given in random order, questions. I think some Android course somewhere assigns this as a final or midterm project, and people come here to help/have us write it. I haven't been able to confirm this though.
@RichardJ.RossIII Defining an "expert" is difficult
19:44
@MadaraUchiha Silver tag badge? Gold?
@RaghavSood this is one of those scenarios where I dislike the fact for the deprecation of the tag. It would be easy to blanket those out into one question if that was still around, but since it isn't it makes it harder.
In my eyes, an "expert" is someone who has enough experience to confidently answer any basic question.
An "expert" can be a 1 rep user.
Also, a 40k user isn't necessarily an expert in a tag he has a gold badge in.
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@MadaraUchiha well said
Well, yeah. You'll always have cases like that
@MadaraUchiha exactly, and thats the problem with that approach. Take a smaller tag, for example, the . That tag is small, but I have one of the highest overall scores in the tag. I would consider myself an expert in that domain, but most of that sweet sweet rep was from one question. Having an 'expert' distinction isn't worth the time, confusion, and ambiguity in the long run.
19:45
Programming language skills are the last thing you need for being a moderator, frankly. Moderating is about governance. The applicable domain knowledge is in the Stack Exchange model not in programming. Jon Skeet could run for moderator, but his rep and knowledge in the tag doesn't account to anything in my eyes because I don't know anything about how he'll govern. If you want to win the election, talk about governing, not programming domain knowledge.
@casperOne Thank you!
@casperOne jon skeet doesn't have to be a mod. He is GOD
@casperOne I'm not saying that programming skills will make you an awesome moderator. But the ability to judge the code and problem outlined in a question is important, and is something that will be easier for those who have programming experience.
@RichardJ.RossIII Jon Skeet can defeat Madara Uchiha in a starting contest. (anime fans will get the joke)
@RichardJ.RossIII He'd be the first one to tell you that's blasphemous. And to be honest, he's a man, like anyone else. Take it from a guy that's shared drinks with him and Marc Gravell
19:46
Who's this jon skeet person?
@PeeHaa Run, before he finds you.
:-)
@RaghavSood TBH, it's not really. The majority of what you'll see as needing to be addressed on SO doesn't require any more programming experience than the next guy.
Programming experience doesn't tell you "is this guy being a lazy sack"? It doesn't tell you "can this question really be answered objectively and fits with the voting/Q&A style of Stack Exchange"
@casperOne Yes, but the site's purpose is for programming questions and answers. If we have people moderating the site who don't even know how to program, then we have some problems, at least as to how it looks.
@RichardJ.RossIII Agreed, what I'm trying to say is, at this level, where you're a candidate, the programming skills aren't really the issue here. We don't care at that point, you've all earned your chops (for the most part).
19:49
@casperOne I agree with you their. I'm not saying programming skill is an absolute necessity, but it is definitely helpful
@casperOne The other thing you have to take into consideration is the voters. I think that one of the things about these elections is that your joe blow voter won't care too much about the moderation skills of who they are voting for, if they recognize a name (like jon skeet), then they will think "boy, that guy's helpful, why shouldn't I vote for him"?
It's helpful, but you all have enough of it to be as helpful as anyone else. So the advice is, how are you different?
We all know how Neal is different! He likes to delete things!
@RichardJ.RossIII I agree, but also consider, the meta crowd is pretty strong in an election and can discern that The moderators and staff know who's been around the block, etc.
know about the basic quirks is essential at least I think @RaghavSood
19:50
Alright that may have been a bit rude.
I've deleted 149 posts today. That's kind of low for me.
@casperOne Yeah, that's a good point. It'll be interesting to see some numbers as to who votes for who, if that data is ever released.
nah @rich
I think SO needs an official moderator election song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIJoJMA6UAk
@RichardJ.RossIII Probably not. You guys can sell yourselves how you want, but remember, I went from being seventh in the polls to tied for second in the general election. Why? I had that long-ass nomination which answered about how I'd govern and what made me qualified to do so, not my programming chops. And I had tried two times before not taking that approach.
19:53
nah @RichardJ.RossIII . I believe that votes should stay anonymous
ups and downs. At least for the users
@wandarkaf I'm not talking about specific user names and such - I'm talking about more general statistics, such as heat maps of who voted for which candidate where on the globe, other site participation, etc.
ohh I see
Why do most Carreer 2.0 advertisements are about a dog working D:?
@Washu because leading experts agree, dogs sell jobs!
I though cats did
19:57
@Washu they do, but when combined, the results are too much for SO to handle.
So, SO Sticks to the dogs only
Actually, I have no clue why that may be the case. I use adblock so I don't really comment on that.
Too many Dogs to handle
and too many "Woof from house"
dogs have no place in the internet. Cats rule the space
@Lusitanian Did you hear that ^ ????
The internet hates you
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My inner narcissist : Profile views steadily increasing :P
20:03
@MadaraUchiha I swear that needs to be the new ad
I'd sign up!
Oh wait I already am...
@ircmaxell Does this relate to anything..? :P
not particularly :-P
@MadaraUchiha You can click the little arrow of the post ;)
20:11
@PeeHaa :P
I'm not even sure what to think.
It's one of the longest gifs I've seen
Is it bad that I want to run only so I can have blue on all three chats?
but one of the strangest too
@jcolebrand yes, it is.
@RichardJ.RossIII if I were blue I would edit that and say "nope, that's a noble goal"
@RichardJ.RossIII Guess I should withdraw then :(
20:12
@MadaraUchiha yes, why don't you all withdraw. None of you are worthy of being a moderator, your intentions must be clean! This message sponsored by Richard J. Ross III
@jcolebrand nah... It's odd, but not bad
@RaghavSood Agreed. How does that differentiate a 100k user from a 20k user? Generally, 100k is about quantity. Doesn't say much about quality. And, even if rep was strongly correlated to your programming abilities, then a user with moderate programming skills would be just as good a mod as one with great programming skills.
I should know, I moderate Chemistry.SE and Physics.SE. I don't know much more than high-school level Chem (well, I've read up a lot more than that, but nowhere near what your standard chemistry student knows), and I'm only a first year student of Physics. My limited knowledge of the topics rarely comes in my way.
@Manishearth That's not a very good example.
@MadaraUchiha ?
100k?
20:15
a 5k user isn't familiar with deletion or flag handling.
@MadaraUchiha I was going to add a "barring all other differences" but the message length was too much
There may not be a difference in technical skills, but he lacks the experience with the Stack Exchange system.
brb, changing to 20k
@Manishearth Obviously, it works if you have it on other sites?
@MadaraUchiha yep
20:17
@Manishearth (sarcasm, that wasn't a question)
ah
me.sleepy()==true
sudo pm-hibernate
me.sleepy()===true
@Manishearth Aye, I'm in the same place on dba.se
20:48
Someone actually upvoted this: stackoverflow.com/a/15108131
@PeeHaa the internet does not hate me :(
The community has spoken. Sorry
:-(
Maybe I need a catvatar.
Nooooooooooo never dawg
20:55
[waits for the day when a ==== operator becomes necessary]
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21:10
@MadaraUchiha that gif is going to become the 2013 election logo
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