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Q: Candidate changes in 2021 Moderator Election ā€“ review your ballot

Cody Graytl;dr: There's been a change in the candidate list for the 2021 Moderator Election. If you've already voted, you should confirm your votes still accurately represent your preferences. Details follow. It recently came to the attention of the Stack Overflow moderation team that Shree, one of the c...

 
Zoe
Welp, that sucks
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Very hard call to make, but we came to a consensus it needed to be done
 
@Zoe That about sums it up, all the way around.
 
Zoe
Nope, doesn't really begin to cover it
 
10:29 PM
Lol, why he stole an answer)
 
Well, I just copied what would have been my vote for Shree to what is now a vote for Zoe. (The comment by Shog9 on Zoe's nomination also made an impression, BTW.)
 
IMHO, I don't think Shree had bad intentions. There is a language barrier. Even if Shree agreed with our answers, and couldn't articulate their own, copying ours was probably not the best way to go.
The questionnaire is meant to show us how an individual thinks. Any answer written in one's own words is better than copying.
 
@Dharman I think most of the mod team agrees with you on that, too, @Dharman. I certainly do. I don't see this as bad faith, just a very poor choice for understandable reasons. This is a large part of why we aren't suspending his account as we normally would for plagiarism (that, combined with the fact that it's a first offense). However, with blatant evidence of rule violations, we cannot look the other way, regardless of intentions.
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Some users decided not to post any answers and that also tells us what they think
 
Cody is accurate. Incredible amount of unity on the team for the what and why of this decision.
 
10:39 PM
Cody is seldom inaccurate.
 
As much as I understand and ultimately agree with the situation... I still hate it :sad_face:
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...but I am not thrilled that Shree is out. One candidate less.
 
But I'm sure that 'meeting' wasn't pleasant for any of the team.
 
I am most surprised how long this took to play out. Was it not recognized until very late?
 
Same here - I even read the nominations.
 
10:41 PM
@IanCampbell Recognized almost immediately, there's a lot of moving parts to iron out
Pretty fast paced process internally, honestly...
 
@IanCampbell We didn't make the decision lightly. Took a lot of time considering it, debating it amongst ourselves, considering alternatives, waiting to see if we could reach out to them personally before making a public announcement, etc.
 
@AdrianMole He even had it reviewed prior to posting
 
Taking time to ensure this was the right decision was probably a good idea. Late, but correct, is more ideal than early and potentially haphazardly
 
It is also relevant that a day or two delay on the retraction doesn't really have a significant effect, thanks to the magic of STV's ranked voting.
So, like Spevacus said, better to take the time and do it right.
 
@Nick That's a shame. I will be totally honest that I identified the problem within 5 minutes of it being posted. Mostly because I was looking at the answer to the question I posted on Meta.
If only someone had noticed before it was posted.
 
10:45 PM
Uh, I'm not sure what you are talking about, @IanCampbell... We don't review the nominations before they are posted.
 
I believe the implication was that Shree should have considered what they were doing before pushing the post button.
 
@CodyGray Nick said "He even had it reviewed prior to posting"
 
Ah.
 
But also that Spevacus
 
But an established SO user should know when not to use Ctrl+C ... Ctrl+V.
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10:47 PM
@IanCampbell Does anyone know what @Nick meant by "he"?
 
Zoe
@IanCampbell The reviewer's main focus was on grammar. They're not active on SO (but are on other sites in the network), and presumably haven't read the other nominations, and probably assumed plagiarism wouldn't be a relevant concern. Hell, I didn't notice, and I wrote the source answers
Might've gone differently with a reviewer who had more context, but here we are
 
@Zoe Please don't take my comment to in any way cast blame on the reviewer.
 
Zoe
I didn't, was mostly to point out the actual situation
 
I can see a new review queue in the pipeline: Candidate Nominations. (Hard to get the Steward badge, though.)
 
Zoe
Not sure why. Oh well
 
10:50 PM
@CodyGray Request for review
 
To be quite blunt: I don't think someone who needs to be told not to do this by a reviewer is qualified for a moderator position.
 
I mean, duh
 
I say this despite immense respect for Shree's contributions to the site.
 
@Dharman Quoting, with appropriate attribution, would have been within the rules. As would have been just saying "I agree with M and N here and would do the same thing", or even just not answering.
 
@IanCampbell In absence of any other party, do we default to casting blame upon you, then?
 
Zoe
10:52 PM
@RyanM That's what makes this so hard
 
@CodyGray I'd say that's a fair plan. Where is SD when you need it?
 
@Nick Ah, OK. Was not aware.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray actually, blame by default falls on ElectionBot
 
It's not my job to please you, no.
 
@CodyGray I don't know if anyone else was :)
 
10:52 PM
and then there is this other nomination, where no plagiarism occurred, because they simply didn't fill in their candidate questionnaire...
 
@Zoe Dang! Should have posted that Meta announcement under ElectionBot's identity!
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@Vickel That isn't a situation, it's wholly acceptable and doesn't really need to be gone over... again
 
@Makyen Out of curiosity one of my answers was heavily influenced by yours from 2020, can you tell which one?
 
@Vickel Yeah, writing nothing is allowed.
 
@Vickel Frustratingly, that's totally within the rules, so you just have to express your dissatisfaction with that by voting.
And maybe by discussing after the election how we can modify the process next time to improve it.
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10:54 PM
I know all that, just wanted to "rant" a bit
 
:p
 
Andras has you covered :-)
 
^I know, I read it
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Just hijack Community :p
 
@Dharman goes looking :)
 
10:55 PM
The candidate with no questionnaire this election did fill out a questionnaire for a previous election which isn't hard to find with the link in their statement. Perhaps they considered that good enough.
 
@Zoe Yeah, I can't actually do that...
@DanielWiddis That seems to be what they were thinking, yes. That's what they indicated to me elsewhere.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray not with that attitude! :p
 
@CodyGray Sure you can, there's a useless post that it makes every election to repurpose... /s
 
Let's just chuck that /s outta here
 
@RyanM Heh. Has anyone noticed that the annual tradition of voting to close that is continuing?
 
10:58 PM
@ElectionBot how many mods are here?
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
Curses
"privileged"
 
@ElectionBot How many mods are not here?
 
reticulating splines
 
Zoe
@Nick Bot how many foxes are here?
 
10:59 PM
And what do they say?
 
@Zoe 2
 
(In my best Stephen Fry voice) No one knows.
 
Zoe
@Nick oh, I didn't know you counted as two foxes!
 
How many foxes are in a folf?
 
frantic googling
 
Zoe
11:02 PM
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Generally
 
@Spevacus It's obviously a contraction of fox and wolf :p
 
Zoe
Though hybrid species make stuff interesting
 
Nitpick: portmanteau
 
I approve of this nitpick.
 
portmanteau is a form of contraction
 
Zoe
11:03 PM
Nitpick: nickpick
 
> A portmanteau word is similar to a contraction, but contractions are formed from words that would otherwise appear together in sequence, such as do and not to make don't, whereas a portmanteau is formed by combining two or more existing words that all relate to a single concept.
Hmm, do we trust @Nick or @Wikipedia?
 
My teacher said not to trust wikipedia, because people like me can edit it
 
The dictionary simply states
> a word or group of words resulting from shortening an original form.
 
Zoe
I'll trust @Nick, he speaks real English :p
 
@Zoe I thought about this and then decided not to make that joke. I see your standards are set slightly lower ;-)
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11:04 PM
LOL
 
Zoe
Yeah, my humor is trash :D
Speaking of low standards and language
 
I don't get why it's a fox. Shouldn't it be a lion?
 
Because it came from me saying that we use æ totally differently in English to how they do in Norwegian
 
Zoe
s/differently/wrong
 
Yes, definitely want to defend the Norwegian way, where there are 4 different ways of pronouncing the same letter, æ.
 
11:08 PM
@Undo Wait 'til they find out about Stack Overflow...
 
There are two animals on the British Coat-of-Arms. One is a lion and the other is ...
 
Zoe
But there's only one correct way :p
 
And ignore the fact that Old Norse treated æ differently yet...
 
@AdrianMole unicorn no?
 
Is it? I thought it was a horse wearing a dunce hat.
 
11:09 PM
Or is it your claim that the Norwegians fixed Old Norse, much in the same way that the Americans fixed English? :-)
 
@CodyGray s/fixed/butched
 
@RyanM Story time! I once asked a question on a small SE site about a question a teacher had put in a test, with an answer I thought was wrong. Answers agreed with me, I used those answers in asking him some questions about it. Dude lost it, tried to get the question taken down for... some unspecified legal violation.
 
@AdrianMole it's a crowned unicorn
 
The Lion has the crown.
 
@Undo Stealing his test question, officially. Unofficially: proving him wrong.
 
11:10 PM
Apparently he had a patent or something on lightning, or that was what he seemed to think
 
@AdrianMole Technically there are seven lions. And one unicorn.
@Undo Ha. That's fantastic.
 
@Undo Can we have a link please?
 
@AdrianMole They both have crowns on the scottish version :p
 
Plot twist: the "small" SE site was actually Mathematics, second only to SO in terms of size.
 
I'm not looking forward to checking the 44 communities you've asked questions on otherwise.
 
@CodyGray Specifically the only pronunciation I was aware of in English was ee (IPA: [i])
 
@Undo Beautiful
 
@Nick Yet, thanks to the Great Vowel Shift, that's now just... "a".
Or, if it's æ in modern English, that's just someone being cute, and it's really just "ae".
 
You say "Encyclopædia" as "Encyclopadia"?
 
@Undo "lightning is just light" I ...what. That's so obviously wrong.
 
11:16 PM
@RyanM You might've missed a word there
 
@Nick Spelling/orthography is not equivalent to pronunciation. The vowel is "a"; it is pronounced as "ee".
 
Oh you took it from the question, scratch that
 
Did the chemistry teacher write the book?
 
@RyanM He was not a bright man. Which is totally a launching point for some kind of pun, but Iā€™m too tired to find it now.
@CodyGray No, surprisingly. Not the best or most recent book, though.
 
@Undo Would you say that you did not find his class en-lightning?
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11:18 PM
Weird, honestly, that this would even be discussed in a chemistry class.
 
There it is
@CodyGray Junior high school, so think CHEM 050 levels here.
 
Oh, I didn't check the date. Didn't realize it was when you were still a pup.
That would have been some kind of integrated physics+chemistry course in junior-high (middle) school.
Ugh.
 
Pretty close.
 
I'm not sure where you went to junior high, but around here we're lucky if the science teachers know the first element in the periodic table.
 
@Undo Wait, does that mean I'm old
 
11:20 PM
Tons of respect to the mods and good luck to everyone running, whoever wins will be joining an exceptional team
 
@IanCampbell They tended to try and make us memorize stupid stuff like that.
@Undo Got that badge!
 
@Nick Only if you have mass and take up space, which is apparently debatable for some things
 
(I'm joking, really, I had a wonderful Chemistry teacher and went to public school)
 
My high-school chem teacher was wonderful. Probably the reason why I majored in science.
 
A couple weeks ago the Amazon delivery driver was delivering something which "required" ID, when he arrived he just asked me for my DOB and when questioned said "Oh, no we don't need ID when you're older than 25, only year of birth", that was sad
 
11:22 PM
Because you aren't 25?
 
Indeed.... I'm older than 25
 
So I don't get the sadness
Other than you being practically an old man
 
Where's the button for slapping a mod
 
ftfy
 
11:25 PM
OK, fun story about people thinking you're older than you are. When I lived in Japan, I was 20 years old. There's a special way of pronouncing twenty years old and people would always correct me, being like "no twenty years old means twenty years old".
 
And I'd be like, no, I am twenty years old, how old do you think I am? 30.
 
@RyanM bahahahaha
Accurate
 
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@IanCampbell And they said "35?"
 
11:30 PM
Most responses were 30, but I got 25 a couple of times.
 
Nowadays, most people think I'm younger than I am. Good skincare routine, I guess :-)
 
I'll post a question on MedicalSciences.SE and you'll let us all know?
 
11:49 PM
@ElectionBot What the link to the election?
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
Heh.. with all the pinned messages, not one links to the actual election :/
 
It's in the room description in the sidebar
 
Election number 13. That has to be an omen.
 
@SamuelLiew Thanks.. I'm probably slightly something.. :/
 

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