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9:00 AM
@CodyGray The Laxian Key by Robert Sheckley
 
@VLAZ The year was 2020, the month was April, and the substance was West Texas Intermediate...
 
@RyanM I assume you refer to the short description of the TV show.
 
That's weird... Gas prices certainly haven't dropped here....
 
@VLAZ you misread. I wrote that it is NOT necessarily with a bad attitude. Plus I never said a name of any user so I don’t know who you are talking about and what they have to do with that
 
I just found this existed right now. I was trying to see if the story is published online. Some of Robert Sheckley's work is.
 
9:04 AM
@VLAZ I was referring to your description and referencing a real-live event where there actually was a situation in which the oil industry was desperately trying to pawn off oil because there was too much of it (going so far as to pay people to take it)
@CodyGray They probably did in April 2020
 
@ohcibi Dharman is one of the nominees and I know he uses automation for curation work around the site. I was using his efforts as reference because I'm more familiar with them. Also, I don't think it's any secret he does that.
 
@RyanM Right after we got un-Frozen? Dunno about that!
 
@RyanM Ah, I see. The blurb about the TV show "The Laxian Key" I found started with a similar wording.
 
what is the role of a moderator? how their role does affect on me and my activities in stack overflow?
 
9:07 AM
@RyanM You have really changed my mood
 
@VLAZ thanks!
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot I'll still take brownies over cookies. Works better with ice cream :drooling_face:
 
Cookies work fine with ice cream. You must be doing something wrong.
 
Zoe
They don't!
 
I'm prepared to accept that brownies work better with ice cream than cookies. I cannot agree that cookies don't work well with ice cream, though.
 
9:11 AM
Maybe you are using the wrong type of cookies! i.stack.imgur.com/f83Dv.jpg, i.stack.imgur.com/0wh8d.jpg
 
Zoe
Oh, you use the bad type of cookies? What an insult to good ice cream :p
 
@CodyGray For instance, those Oreos should be replaced with a softer cookie.
 
You don't like a little crunch in your ice cream?
How do you deal with nuts?
 
there's already plenty of that in cookies and cream ice cream! there's no need to add more.
 
I am not sure I would vote Zoe for moderator of Seasoned Advice.
Literally all the images I can find of cookies in ice cream involve Oreos :-)
 
Zoe
9:13 AM
@CodyGray I wouldn't either. When I cook, it's because I wanna eat it, not because I wanna make it look as pretty as possible :p
 
Girl has her priorities straight
 
GUYYYYSSSSS
I CAN AGAin ask a questionS!!!
auuuu
 
Haha
Maybe try not to ask them like that
 
Wait! Some of your past questions have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from asking any more
yes, i dont want to try whilst))
 
Zoe
9:15 AM
@CodyGray yep :p
 
first of all i want to destroy all votes down)
and achieve 1k of reputation with answers ;)
 
@manro Glad to hear confirmation that warning is working again...it was broken for over a year 😬
 
@manro you probably chose the worst room to announce that in :)
how many mods are here?
 
I think he means he wants to improve his question(s) to the point where they won't be downvoted.
 
@CodyGray oh, no, the second message was unrelated to the first, I am just surprised I did not get a response
 
9:18 AM
@CodyGray Yes
@OlegValter Mods are my friends
 
Mods are everyone's friends!
 
my older brothers
 
Except for spammers. Mods are spammers' worst enemies.
 
Older brother beats hard, but love you more powerful than others
 
I have never beaten anyone!
 
9:21 AM
@RyanM i have never seen here questions with spam. Do they exist?
 
They don't exist for long.
But yeah, we get tons of them every hour.
 
We're pretty good at deleting them quickly :-)
 
@manro Usually for less than 5 minutes.
 
I personally have flagged at least 900 spam posts on this site. The real number is somewhat higher, because some of them are via custom flags and I'd have to go through and count, and that would take a really long time.
 
@RyanM give to me an example some day
 
9:23 AM
I have 2,528 spam flags.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray I guess one could say they're no strangers to love. They know the rules
 
@Zoe You wouldn't get this from any other guy
 
We talking numbers?
 
@manro Here's a bunch of it.
 
Zoe
@BhargavRao Yeah, but I'm sure you don't have any significant numbers constituting a record or anything :P
 
9:25 AM
@RyanM What is the best Indoor Growing Marijuana Strains?‭ xD
 
Yup, nothing at all. ;p
 
Zoe
And I bet you only have like, a couple delvotes too
 
Love fixer expert whtsap +256777905907‭ xD
 
@BhargavRao knows all the best Indoor Growing Marijuana Strains
 
Nope, I know just the outdoor ones
 
9:27 AM
Yeah there's some weird spam.
 
Doesn't seem all that weird to me that different strains would be optimized for indoor vs. outdoor growing.
 
I meant the love fixer expert, which sounds like one of the spellcasters from the title but maybe is just therapy?
 
@CodyGray Yes. Not everybody has a garden, after all.
 
Or the calculator builder one... "Some people confuse calculators with calculators, when they are really different."
 
@RyanM Maybe it's an adult toy repair service.
 
9:36 AM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 21581 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
"A calculator is often the only tool that enables a person to get the right answer." Well, that's true for me.
 
I've also used calculators and gotten the wrong answer.
Because I used it wrong but still - my point stands.
 
Nah, let's blame the calculator.
I once used a super cheap calculator from the dollar store or something that would give the wrong answers even to the simplest math when its batteries were low. (It actually might have been solar powered, but same result when it was in weak light.)
 
how many candidates are here?
 
4 candidates are in the room: Ryan M, Zoe, Daniel Widdis, and Dharman
 
9:40 AM
how many mods are here?
 
7 moderators are in the room: Cody Gray, Bhargav Rao, Catija, Makyen, Samuel Liew, Jon Clements, and Rob
 
who are the best mods?
 
Cody Gray is the best mod!!!
 
Nice!
 
@ElectionBot cheater)
 
9:47 AM
Houston, we have a problem.
 
Zoe
Is that problem Cody?
 
Cheating? Definitely.
But ElectionBot is no cheater!
 
error - AI not installed
@Zoe I can neither confirm nor deny.
 
who are the best mods?
 
@U12-Forward Cody Gray is the best mod!!!
 
9:54 AM
Yeap!
Lol
 
Who is the badass user of this room?
 
Cody Gray is the best badass user of this room!!!
 
Hm? Is it your bot? ;)
 
It's just a smart bot.
 
I know, right?
 
Zoe
10:00 AM
Clearly not if it agrees with cody, smh :p
 
I once heard someone very smart say that "Cody does have a point".
 
@Zoe wait till the election ends, you fool :)
 
Bot, who is the baddest cheater in the room?
 
@manro you are
 
!!!!
 
10:04 AM
@Zoe I don't think anybody alive disagreed with Cody.
As in anybody who is currently alive.
 
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment, and 21663 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
10:19 AM
Bot, why do you like Cody?
 
I know, right?
 
@ElectionBot if you had to save a kitten or Cody from drowning would you?
 
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
That is probably the best response I could have hoped for.
 
Finally, the only thing we needed to solve the Trolley Problem and all its variants is to build an honest bot.
 
10:36 AM
Quick STV question: Those last two choices are entirely pointless, right, since we have two positions and if your vote goes the last two choices, we already have two winners?
 
Zoe
There was an example where the 5th vote was used earlier
 
@ErikA No, because one of your earlier choices may have been elected and part of your vote could go to your second-to-last choice
 
@RyanM Ah, ofc, so just the last one isn't really meaningful, but that one doesn't make sense to me, Hey, I did vote on you, but preferred all other candidates
 
Correct
 
I think Dharman had a strategy for simplifying the voting
2 days ago, by Dharman
I wanted Dharman, Dharman, Dharman, Dharman, Dharman, Dharman
 
10:49 AM
Multiple Identical Transferable Vote?
 
@CodyGray What a coincidence! i.stack.imgur.com/XdEN1.png
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Zoe
@OlegValter ah, perfect for when you solve elections with recursion
 
All I'm saying is that if you rearrange the letters in "ryan m", remove the "y", and replace it with "Dha", you get "Dharman". Plus, the avatars are both geometric blocks of color. So I'd be a great second choice for voters wanting an all-Dharman ballot.
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"rm" looks an awful lot like "nm" with bad kerning.
 
@CodyGray It also looks a lot like an "m" written by someone who got distracted partway through and forgot how many humps there are supposed to be.
 
 
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12:50 PM
@Zoe nice to see you running
 
1:17 PM
Hmm 21663 votes so far. I wonder how that compares to previous years
 
1:42 PM
@Machavity You are right, but people are free to find it distastefully calculating and vote accordingly
 
Of course. Fortunately or unfortunately, people can vote in the mod elections for any candidate they want for any reason(s) whatsoever.
 
hey cody
long time no see
 
Hello
You look very different. I suppose I do, too.
 
I kind of left stack after 2019
I popped back in to ask a question on FOSS and to vote for zoe in this election
 
Hopefully you did not ask an off-topic question about licensing :-)
 
1:50 PM
well
nobody called it off topic so I don't know if it was, but it was about licensing
If Zoe wins i'll do a celebratory 200 or so serial voting flags in the spirit of ye olde times :)
 
Haha, OK, sounds good.
There are several good candidates, though.
 
"vote accordingly" - magisch is Mac's sock confirmed /s
 
@magisch It's a shame to hear that you decided to leave. I really liked having you around and reading your opinions on Meta. I was also hoping to see a diamond after your name following one of these elections!
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is happening at the moment, and 22282 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
2:04 PM
@magisch eyy ^^
 
@magisch I can leave some for you :)
 
@Dharman I meant I raise them
I used to flag a lot of serial voting - around 200 or so per week for quite a while
 
yeah, and I meant that I haven't flagged every serial voting yet, so there is some you can still flag
 
@CodyGray Personally I couldn't ever really get over how monica and shog were treated, it kept lingering in my mind. And then I found an opportunity to apply my volunteer energy someplace else
@Dharman I had a query to spit out potential serial voting, I think that's still kicking around if you're interested
 
@magisch Oh, I haven't, either. I don't do this for the company. Never really did, and definitely don't now.
 
2:07 PM
Basically crude heuristics
 
I know about your query
 
ah
 
@magisch Where else are you applying your energy, if you don't mind me asking? (Feel free not to answer if it's not something you want to mention in public.)
 
I don't know how you could find 200 per week, but certainly there is a lot
 
I admin a very large discord server in an area of interest of mine
 
2:08 PM
@magisch Smiley faces? Inflatable tube men?
 
@Dharman 3 different queries, and I was running custom thresholds on the main one, which meant I had to manually review all the results and only flag ~35% of them and go through like 600 results a week
 
@CodyGray Cactus farming
 
@CodyGray Something like that :). It's a trading and strategy hub for a game I play a lot. Got quite big with 220k users
 
@magisch Ah, I see.
Oh, right! I forgot it was actually a cactus. It always looked like an inflatable tube man to me...
 
catcus
mind you
before then I had an inflatable cactus
 
2:10 PM
Wasn't it a digimon?
 
maybe
 
@magisch 220k users? Well, that's too big for EVE Online...
 
@magisch \o/
 
hey jon
long time no see, how are you?
 
same old... you all good I hope?
 
2:12 PM
yeah
I'm popping in to vote for zoe and generally participate in the election
 
and then off into the sunset again? :p
 
most likely
very busy these days
 
Good busy?
 
yeah
 
talking about busy - I should crack on with a couple bits... see you around a little later I guess
 
2:18 PM
@magisch I had no idea Final Fantasy was that popular
 
@Machavity It's not ffxiv, but I do play that as well
 
I have played it a bit (maybe 10-15 hours or so?). It is fun
 
I forgot this is an election chat
 
Entire discussion? Or just the deleted comment?
 
Meh, the topics have ranged quite a bit here over the last week or so
 
2:20 PM
I wouldn't worry about "clogging up" the chat, so unless there's something specific you want to remove...
 
@magisch The first rule of election chat is we don't discuss the election :P
I redacted your game tho, if that was supposed to be a secret
 
wait, this is an election chat?
 
What is an election?
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
@Machavity You think this is a game?!
 
2:22 PM
how do i choose who to vote for
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@TylerH Game of Diamonds. The blue walkers have invaded and intend to increase their ranks
 
Maybe moderators' votes in the election should be binding.
 
Voting is easy, you take my name and drag it into the box. That's it
 
Election 2021, where voting is a drag
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2:24 PM
drag racing
 
my normal poe community ceased to exist a few years ago for... political reasons, so now i just hang out in the poe discord
 
@CodyGray Where I talked about the incident
 
@AdrianMole I think we might hear complaints about the process being "undemocratic" if we just went into a smoke-filled room to choose our new brethren.
 
@CodyGray it would be republic though
 
Republic of silly chats
Petition to make this chat more serious
 
2:32 PM
Petition declined.
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Petition mercilessly ridiculed!
 
Public service announcement: The election is happening at the moment, and 22389 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Up 107 in about 35min
 
Zoe
realistically, about half the votes were cast in the first 48 hours
 
3 votes per minute - the Badge-making machine must be getting exhausted.
 
2:38 PM
There's a machine?
 
Well how else would the badges be made? Is that what CMs do?
 
Thanks for redacting all that
 
Redacting all of what? :-p
 
No discussion happened
 
heh
It's been nice catching up with you all
 
2:39 PM
o7
 
Likewise!
 
2:57 PM
So @ElectionBot, I know you can't give exact details, but any vague idea who I should start schmoozing up to in order be certain that all of my flags are 'helpful'?
 
@ouflak Yes.
 
sta
@ElectionBot How to become a robot?
 
I want to play a game.
 
OK. I'll close my eyes and count to 100. You can find a place to hide.
 
3:24 PM
*hides behind Adrian*
 
Zoe
3:38 PM
@Machavity Checks out
 
4:11 PM
@ElectionBot which candidates have withdrawn from the election?
 
There are 2 withdrawn candidates: Johnny Bones, Tamás Sengel
2
 
"withdrawn"..
 
Yep
by force
 
@Scratte yes, withdrawn does not mean "voluntarily". But now there is a way to get the info about them via the bot :)
 
4:19 PM
@OlegValter In that case, I withdraw myself from sleep on an almost daily basis.
 
@OlegValter Thank you for that :) It's hilarious :)
 
@Scratte not me, actually
@VLAZ as we all, as we all
 
@OlegValter Ahh.. Thank Samuel for that :)
 
Public service announcement: The election is happening at the moment, and 22642 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
4:57 PM
Which candidates are currently in the room
 
I think he expected a bot response :p
 
Of course. This also served as a test of whether my internet is back up after a brief outage.
 
Yeah I didn't add this one so I'm not quite sure
how many candidates are here
 
4 nominees are in the room: Daniel Widdis, Zoe, Dharman, and Ryan M
 
Zoe
5:01 PM
@Nick Beep boop, boop beep?
 
Always the same 4 active, just elect them already
 
Ow, I have my headset on, yes that ping made a boop noise
 
@DanielWiddis No, it's not. We cannot see your messages.
 
@SamuelLiew We'd have to partition for the positions to be extended to 4 :)
 
I suggest we arbitrarily remove 2 moderators to make room for an additional 2. How about we randomly start at the letter C and go alphabetically from there? :p
 
5:09 PM
We could vote on that, no?
 
@Nick Letter C decided by a fair dice roll, no doubt.
 
Of course!
 
I see no issue with that.
 
Zoe
@Nick Alphabetically works fine for me!
 
Maybe have moderator terms be 4 years.. ?
 
5:10 PM
I can't think of any reasonable reason why? There aren't any sensible countries that use 4 years
 
@Nick I find the premise of this flawed. I don't think there are sensible countries.
 
That would also answer the retirement question. No one would have to get a "life sentence".
 
@VLAZ I mean.... no sensible countries and no sensible countries that use 4 year terms for politics aren't mutually exclusive :p
 
That is true. They just overlap completely.
 
Can a country be sensible?
 
5:13 PM
@Scratte I don't think so. They neither have senses nor sapience. In fact, they are more of an abstract entity.
 
5:35 PM
A country is land. Can a piece of land be sensible?
 
Yes. But not if it's in the Isles of Scilly.
 
5:54 PM
Are there a lot of nuts there?
 
Zoe
6:15 PM
I hear they have so many nuts, that a large portion of it is just used for nut cases
 
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment, and 22792 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
6:29 PM
So no need to be certified nuts to be a special case there?
 
Arise, Sir Tiffide Nuts!
 
6:59 PM
What? The triffids have arisen and have gone nuts?
 
this whole conversation is nutty
 
Zoe
Gets better if you replace the i with a space, and capitalize the d
 
@VLAZ Shush! Don't talk about triffids, or you'll scare rene away.
 
speaking of rene
are y'all watering him regularly
 
Yep, we've set up a schedule to rotate and make sure he doesn't dry up.
@AdrianMole I thought rene would be up for a family reunion.
 
7:35 PM
@AdrianMole Looks like they're actually gone
 
 
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8:57 PM
🚽
 
9:28 PM
@BhargavRao I'm certain it's a personal decision and I suspect it's much like Potter Stewart's threshold for obscenity: "I'll know it when I see it." I'd suspect symptoms might be a major extended drop in output for reasons not attributable to external temporary factors, and I'd hope there's some room for taking a "sabbatical" after a few years of service to refresh/recharge. If there's not now there should be.
 
@AdrianMole shalom 🤓
 
@DanielWiddis Unfortunately, the "sabbatical" option requires the cumbersome process of stepping down, then having to apply for reinstatement and go through that whole ordeal.
 
@BhargavRao When one cannot perform the tasks expected from a moderator and they feel they won't be able to come back to it in a near future.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, and that sucks. Shouldn't be that way.
 
I haven't seen that question before
If a mod feels burned out, this is not a reason to step down. It's a reason to take a break
@ohcibi when you go to the nomination tab there are comments where I explain the stats a little bit. They are higher due to the automated stuff I do, but that doesn't mean that they don't mean anything. It's just that I do them faster. I still own all my activities.
 
9:36 PM
I would hope pressure to step down if not active is limited. The world already puts enough pressure on people, a unicorn point farming website need not add more.
 
I can confirm it is pretty limited :-)
I have not had anyone dog me about it.
 
Ian, but if you know that you are not going to be online for a year or more then why remain as a mod?
 
That's true enough, @Dharman, and the reason why staff wants people to hand in their diamond, even if just temporarily, is a security thing.
 
Say I were going to the international space station for a year, but I'll be back. Can I stay a mod?
 
But I never plan on not being online/active for an extended period.
 
9:38 PM
@IanCampbell from what I hear - they've got pretty good internet connectivity up there and you'd still have free time when not patching the ISS so it doesn't blow up :p
 
I don't think you understand the gravity of being a moderator.
 
Could cause issues onboard the ISS, eh?
 
A mod needs to stand firmly on the ground.
 
Stack Control to Major Jon?
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 23086 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
9:46 PM
@AdrianMole groans :p
 
@CodyGray It was asked on OpenSource.SE, so it was on-topic :-)
 
@RyanM Oh, hmm. I considered that, but I thought he was very clearly saying SO.
 
I read it as ambiguous, but I also already knew where the question was asked since we had discussed it in the Tavern, so my mind was already primed to read it "correctly."
 
Ah, so you cheated :-p
 

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