« first day (1349 days earlier)      last day (3592 days later) » 

11:00 AM
@Puppy If you're only considering applying for jobs, I'm not sure it can be considered job hunting. :p
 
job isn't about skills, skills is only a small part of the job requirement - you need to be able to do the job, yes. But more importantly you need to fit in the team and you need to be obedient
 
you wat
I hope that's a google translate mishap there.
 
23 hours ago, by shortCircuit
ok, first of all.. it says here http://www.learncpp.com/cpp-tutorial/126-pure-virtual-functions-abstract-base-cl‌​asses-and-interface-classes/ When we add a pure virtual function to our class, we are effectively saying, “it is up to the derived classes to implement this function”. but the return should be int type according to the example if i am right.. i know that virtual functions are mostly used in polymorphisms and to solve the diamond problem.
ahaha that's pure gold
 
@chmod711telkitty the last part only applies if the team you're fitting into is an obedient one. :p
 
I don't consider myself obedient. I consider myself cooperative/service oriented
 
11:01 AM
@sehe you missed a "t"
 
have never been to a disobedient team & I had way too many jobs
 
@BartekBanachewicz xD
@chmod711telkitty then you've never been on an interesting team. What team are you referring to? The shelving team at the super market?
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz how good are you with JS?
 
@rightfold Needs context.
 
@sehe ever disobeyed your boss even if he/she's wrong?
 
11:03 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Better than with Swiss cheese
@chmod711telkitty Only when he was wrong, obviously
1 min ago, by sehe
I don't consider myself obedient. I consider myself cooperative/service oriented
 
@jalf Yeah, I know.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz jsfiddle.net/UzSUw is new_ here equivalent to the new operator?
 
user1804599
Except syntax-wise.
 
the only thing new does is context switch
 
user1804599
And creating a new object.
 
11:05 AM
@Puppy While out for a meal on Anne's birthday, (or just before it), we met the kennel manager from the place whare Bailey was err.. created. He told us that he is out of a chocolate lab named 'Polly' by a black standard poodle named 'Golly'. Anne immediately asked "How come he wasn't named Folly?" :)
 
user1804599
And setting the prototype of that object.
 
yeah, that too.
 
user1804599
And calling the constructor.
 
@sehe you do that often or your boss was hardly ever wrong?
 
@MartinJames heh
 
user1804599
11:06 AM
It makes sense now.
 
user1804599
I never understood prototype vs [[Prototype]] vs constructor.
 
@chmod711telkitty My boss was probably often wrong, but they hardly ever interfered.
> Next thing you know, they’re going to invent a way to travel to Istanbul without jet lag. Until that day comes, though, I’m afraid we’re going to be left with merely living with wrinkle-free shirts and such. Godin
 
don't be dodgy
when your boss ask you to do something that seems dumb do you not do it or do you just do it so you get paid?
 
fycj
fuck
i fucked up my cross-compilation toolchain
@chmod711telkitty if you do it you're a fucking slave
 
@chmod711telkitty I object, and it helps
 
11:15 AM
@chmod711telkitty I tell him that it seems dumb
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's hard and easy at the same time.
 
Then we discuss why it is dumb, and we figure out whether to do it or not
 
you have to remember that telkitty is on the very bottom of the management tree
@Griwes I haven't used it for a while and now I can't build the project I need ASAP :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz you obviously not
 
@BartekBanachewicz What project?
 
11:16 AM
our test suite.
 
(I.e. which parts of the cross-compiler environment do you need :P)
 
 1> cl /c /I"c:/DEV/ndk/sources/cxx-stl/gnu-libstdc++/4.6/include"
 /I"c:/DEV/ndk/sources/cxx-stl/gnu-libstdc++/4.6/libs/x86/include" /W1 /WX-
 /O2 /Oy- /D ANDROID /D "CMAKE_INTDIR=\"Debug\"" /D _MBCS /Gm- /MD /GS
 /fp:precise /Zc:wchar_t /Zc:forScope
that doesn't look good at all :/
@Griwes NDK
 
also was ... being doing project management with contractors a lot these a few years
doesn't make me happier though
Also if you are truly love your job and your higher level management is doing a great job then you will never change jobs. With you three, you either have just changed job or are about to change jobs
It doesn't look like you are so happy career wise to me @jalf @sehe @BartekBanachewicz
 
user2985029
@chmod711telkitty say something
 
user2985029
say why
 
user2985029
11:26 AM
if they dont agree, too bad, but at least you said something about it
 
oooo it's workign
@chmod711telkitty You seem to not understand the difference between a job and a career.
 
Please enlighten me with your career plan
 
Not even mentioning the completely false premise of "never changing jobs"
@chmod711telkitty why should I do that? It's my career plan vOv
 
you don't have one it seems
 
if anything, it would be an anectodal isolated example
@chmod711telkitty I know you're fond of logical fallacies
 
Xeo
11:32 AM
hahaha, dat flag
 
user1804599
What got flagged?
 
it's a dumb joke about a priest with four testicles.
 
@chmod711telkitty huh?
 
it's building!
 
@BartekBanachewicz "IT'S ALIIIVE!!!!"
 
11:36 AM
not yet
but yeah it's building
 
May 28 at 15:00, by jalf
@Xeo How is the job market in Berlin though? :D
 
@chmod711telkitty and based on that, you conclude that I'm unhappy with my job? :p
 
I don't get the joke.
 
I am sure you don't want me to dig up the whole conversation because I could :p
 
@chmod711telkitty you don't need to. I know what I said
 
11:38 AM
Is there something special in a priest with 4 balls? Or is it because there's a kid involved?
 
I was looking around because the company I'm in now was struggling. Not because I didn't like my job. So that doesn't say much about my job dissatisfaction, does it?
 
15 mins ago, by chmod 711 telkitty
Also if you are truly love your job and your higher level management is doing a great job then you will never change jobs. With you three, you either have just changed job or are about to change jobs
 
And if I do find another job, it won't be because I'm unhappy here, but simply because I want to try something new, and I found something that looked exciting
 
read carefully - "and your higher level management is doing a great job"
 
@chmod711telkitty yes that's plain bullshit
 
11:39 AM
And based on that, you conclude that I am "not happy career wise"?
 
@chmod711telkitty completely irrelevant
11 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@chmod711telkitty I know you're fond of logical fallacies
 
in Android, 4 mins ago, by zigi
ahmad, do you sell your xp for money or bitcoin?
 
if your company is struggling it means your higher lever management isn't doing a great job
 
in Android, 4 mins ago, by zigi
yeah SO points
lol
 
@chmod711telkitty correct. But it says nothing about my happiness with my career, or whether I like my job
 
11:41 AM
@chmod711telkitty yay more unbased bullshit things
 
Also, not that it's any business of yours, but the "higher level management" situation has actually been fixed
 
means your management is wrong and you can not do anything about it?
 
Now, please enlighten me as to your theory that if a person likes their job, they will never look for another job
How does that work, exactly?
 
user1804599
Bartek y u no plonk Telkitty.
 
I like pizza. That doesn't mean I won't sometimes consider other food. :p
 
11:42 AM
@rightfold I thrive on discussions
 
And I like my job, but even so, I'm pretty sure that I won't be here for the rest of my life
 
job a give 80% happiness, job b gives 40% happiness. if you are stuck with job b you are more likely to look for a new job because you guess of the current medium lever of happiness given by a job should be 50%-60%
 
@chmod711telkitty sure, but what does that have to do with anything else anyone has said in this conversation?
 
Yes, if a job makes you miserable, you are more likely to look for a different job
but it does not logically follow that "if someone looks for another job, it means they must be miserable"
 
11:43 AM
yeah divert attention again coz that's so going to help your argement ...
 
O.o
I.... don't know what to say to that
 
if you are stuck with your dream full time job with which you are so in love with, why would you look for another one?
 
I don't even know what your argument is, or what point you are trying to make
 
@chmod711telkitty Because you're always supposed to do that.
 
@chmod711telkitty For the same reason that I might eventually stop eating my favorite cake: because sometimes, it's nice to try something different
because there might, just might, be more than one job out there that I like
 
11:45 AM
that means it's no longer your dream job yes?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I ever said anything about "dream jobs"
 
you're focusing too much on the "dream" part.
the fact that I like my job doesn't mean I am not looking for something even nicer
the more happy I am with the current one, the less likely I'm to switch
less likely != impossible.
 
I don't even know what my "dream job" would be. I have a job that I like. One day, I will find a different job that I like. I live in an apartment I like. One day, I will find a different apartment that I like. I had lunch today that was really delicious. But tomorrow I will have something different. I really don't follow your logic that "if I like X, I must do X constantly, for the rest of my life, and never even consider doing Y"
 
user1804599
Halp.
 
that's because the amount of happiness you get from your job is not constant
 
user1804599
11:48 AM
I had this terrible idea of doing something with 3D graphics again.
 
@jalf is the startup industry not on an upwards curve in berlin?
 
@chmod711telkitty No, it is because there is more than one thing I like in my life, and in the world. It is because there are a lot of things I would like to do and try and experience and work with.
 
I know because there were times I started with jobs I really liked ... it became really great around 8 month - 15 month, then it got worse very fast
 
@chmod711telkitty And exactly what do you "know" because of this?
 
11:51 AM
because you are human? and human fall in and out of love easily? not all but many do
 
@chmod711telkitty I asked what it is that you think you know, based on the experiences you mention. "Because you are human" makes no sense in this context
 
yeah same here
 
Guys
There's an OpenCL c++ static kernel language proposal
 
so what?
 
basic class and templated kernel support
 
11:52 AM
If you're going to just fling random disjointed sentence fragments around, that's fine, but then please let me know, because I won't try to make sense of it then.
 
people make dumb proposals all the time, and smart proposals that never go anywhere
 
@Puppy where were you guys yesterday when the wonderful gentleman came by o_O Chromis or something
 
wat
 
You told us that you had experienced jobs becoming worse very fast after 8-15 months. And because of that, "you know". You did not say what it is that you "know", and it is really not clear from context
 
11:53 AM
@jalf do you remember his/her/its name
 
@rubenvb compared to MS's AMP proposal that seems pretty clunky
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf who?
Oh right
 
tempfucked?
 
nah :)
 
@jalf yeah that's p much discussing with her
 
11:54 AM
@Mgetz well, amp is a high level wrapper, this is just an OpenCL extension. AMP needs no kernel writing
But yeah, all this stuff is clunky
 
who is thi Eiryririuryruori guy
i had him plonked for the reason I can't remember
@chmod711telkitty I think @jalf explained it in pretty simple english. Maybe scroll up a bit and try reading slowly, aloud.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Eyjafjallajökull
 
@chmod711telkitty Once again, because I can like more than one thing. I don't always play the same video game either. I don't always read the same book, no matter how much I like it
 
@chmod711telkitty if you can no longer grow in your current position then it may be time to move on, even if you like where you are.
 
I don't always eat the same food
 
11:56 AM
@Chimera @Puppy
 
I do something I like, and then at some point, I decide "I still like this, but I feel like trying something new"
 
I know of Chimera
 
@chmod711telkitty trolololol. You're just jealous because you couldn't keep a job for 15 years, like I did in my previous job :)
 
what are you even trying to say?
 
@Puppy this thing 17367592
 
11:57 AM
@rightfold touché
 
i forgot how to quote messages T_T
 
and why are you endlessly pinging me about it?
 
user1804599
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Then look it up.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf 4/10, would not prime (2 2 2 11 197359)
 
11:57 AM
@rightfold i am
 
user1804599
Good.
 
19 hours ago, by Chimera
@jalf Do you not know how to read? I already said, the boost instructions are not the same as what I've read on stackoverflow.
 
@sehe it's even, how could it be prime :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz why would people post any numbers if not prime
 
11:58 AM
is there a name for numbers created by adding consecutive primes to the factors times the prime value?
2*2, 2*2*3*3*3, ...
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's a long story, some months ago. I didn't plonk :)
 
I don't understand why you would be trying to draw my attention to this message.
 
Just to annoy you
 
presumably
 
I open chat and there's "is there a name for (...)" in it. Damn you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Bartek numbers
 
Check it out, I can post arbitrary graphs too!
 
@norisknofun read_at is not related to your problem :) It's not "my link", it's "your question" that set the topic! — sehe 10 secs ago
 
Hang on, let me see if I've got this straight
You are saying that the sheer fact that I have not recently switched jobs, means that I must be becoming unhappy with my job
 
@jalf your boss must be one nasty motherfucker.
 
12:04 PM
But what started this absurd farce was you saying the exact opposite: you could tell we were unhappy because we were, or had recently been, looking for new jobs
So, your point is that everyone who works is unhappy?
 
Everyone knows economics is the study of happiness.
 
@chmod711telkitty I suppose my own feeling of satisfaction/happiness doesn't get a say in this?
 
And that telkitty doesn't care about money.
 
Well, thanks for telling me. TIL I am actually unhappy and dissatisfied with my job
That is good to know
 
told you, man, your boss is a total dick and you just never noticed.
 
12:05 PM
Apparently
 
it's so obvious that even I, random internet user, can tell through our shared psychic connection.
 
by the way, I'd like to point out that my graph is smoother and more hi-res than yours. And features cars and stuff. My graph > telkitty's graph
 
personally I don't understand why you haven't plonked her yet
 
@Puppy death threats tend to make people stay around longer than they really wish to :|
 
seems to me like happiness is directly proportional to telkitty plonking.
3
 
12:07 PM
Obviously, less acceleration means you are unhappy with your job.
 
perhaps I should perform a scientific analysis on this.
exposure to telkitty in seconds vs Internet Happiness Points
 
@jalf No Veyron SS :(
 
@Puppy You mean, economics?
 
yes, right.
 
@Puppy just don't spend too long on it. That makes you unhappy, I learned
 
12:08 PM
exposure to telkitty in seconds vs earning potential, which serves as an indirect measurement of Internet Happiness Points.
@jalf TIL. I always figured people spend time on things that reward them, and sought out superior rewards,, but I guess that I'm just some kind of sentient machine.
 
19 hours ago, by Chimera
@jalf Do you not know how to read? I already said, the boost instructions are not the same as what I've read on stackoverflow.
 
11 mins ago, by Puppy
I don't understand why you would be trying to draw my attention to this message.
 
what is it, exactly, that you're trying to say to me?
 
@Puppy You're a replicant. Beware, your lifetime should be about to run out.
 
12:11 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf And this involves me... how?
then kindly stop endlessly plinking me about it.
 
@chmod711telkitty and yet what you've been arguing is basically "I can tell you hate your job, because you considered finding a new job. And I knwo this is the case because economics say that if you're doing the same thing for longer periods, you get less happiness out of it"
 
@chmod711telkitty all a point of perspective. some theories make that not true e.g also that "allocating resources" isn't necessarily just done it's how it resolves itself. economics is a very amorphous thing :(
 
@jalf Personally, I find that I've been playing Counter-Strike for over a decade and I don't seem to have a problem finding enjoyment from it today.
 
I've had enough CS when I've left middle school
 
Absolutely no part of that makes any sense whatsoever. I don't hate my job, I didn't recently switch jobs, and I'm not actively looking for a new job. And the economics stuff (that you get unhapy from doing the same thing for longer periods) says the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove (that someone who recently switched jobs must be unhappy"
 
12:13 PM
Economics may be amorphous, but it's the amorphous science of happiness.
Oh, and btw, money doesn't buy happiness.
 
@chmod711telkitty jobs may be perfect but humans aren't. are we done now
 
if money can't buy happiness I guess I'll just have to rent it
 
@chmod711telkitty "being dissatisfied in certain ways" is parsecs away from "not having a career plan"
 
That's why economics is the study of happiness.
 
@chmod711telkitty I believe the original wording was that we are "not happy career wise". Not "dissatisfied in certain ways"
 
12:14 PM
I got lost a bit I admit
had to scroll up
 
@chmod711telkitty where did I say my job is perfect in every single way?
 
@chmod711telkitty you consider changing it in case it stops being perfect. Or it's never really PERFECT in the first place.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not embarrassing to get lost in the endless garbage that telkitty posts.
 
If we ignore all the pointless garbage, the way I see it, a job can never be perfect, because I wish for multiple incompatible things from a job. It is fundamentally impossible to satisfy all wishes I have for a job. So I don't care about "perfect" jobs, or "dream jobs". I divide jobs into "those I like" and "those I don't like"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i'm imagining a garbage castle now with a giant kitty with a cellphone at the top of the highest tower ....
 
12:17 PM
Let's all take this moment to re-appreciate the "hide this user" link button
 
And being in a job I like, it is perfectly possible, after a while, to decide that now it's time for some change, and maybe I'll look for a job that provides a different subset of the things I want
the end.
 
YAY RAIN
GLORIOUS COOL RAIN AND CLOUDS
 
BRING ON THE PROPER ENGLISH SUMMER
 
12:20 PM
not this "sunny" shit
 
Clouds all over my weekend.
No clouds on Friday, no clouds on Monday. Clouds on Saturday and Sunday.
The Universe hates me.
 
time for Fuzz Universe
 
"intellecture"
 
12:23 PM
have I linked you to it @sehe? I know it's an old album but still.
no spotify on work VPN so there's YT .
Fuck it, I'll learn it during the summer
If I practice 2 hours/day for 3 months...
 
> Hacking Team claims to sell its tools only to ethical governments, but Citizen Lab has found evidence of their use in Saudi Arabia
Trololol I guess
@BartekBanachewicz nope
 
tell me what do you think after you have a listen.
 
it could be expressed just as mapping render() and then alling the property and that check
 
12:36 PM
> [ i ]
the fuck
so ugly
PEP8 ftw
 
what's PEP8?
 
python coding style guide
 
how does python style guide apply to C++?
 
language doesn't matter
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, so it can be expressed as maping render() and then something that absolutely couldn't possibly be expressed in a map.
 
12:38 PM
at least in case of spaces & braces thing
 
you could do a map -> bool, then e.g. takewhile, but that would require full lazy ranges, not C++'s iterator algorithms.
 
@Puppy λ mapM_ render . takeWhile mypred $ xs
@Puppy yep.
well it's more complicated
 
well, not everyone has a bunch of range stuff just lying around they can use.
 
because render could mutate the property the predicate is based on
@Puppy I think that's single handedly the most important part of any "standard library"
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz It's a fold, actually
 
12:41 PM
foldM_ ? :)
 
well, C++ doesn't provide it, so it's tough titties saying "You should do things that depend on it in C++".
 
Xeo
What he could do, is for (auto* state : states){ state->Render(); ... }
 
I've been evaluating whether or not it'll be worth investing time into ranges for the Wide compiler, but right now I'm still leaning towards "no".
 
without ranges it's absolutely annoying to do anything concisely
 
Xeo
range-for helps a bit
 
12:42 PM
oh noes, typing a few extra characters
 
Xeo
(which he doesn't use for whatever reason)
 
it does, but range-for is extremely low-level
 
it's well worth not investing days or weeks or longer into a decent range solution in C++ just for the sake of a few loops.
 
@Puppy it's not only about characters, it's about semantics
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz it's the correct tool for this job.
 
12:43 PM
operation (a.begin(), a.end(), b.begin())
 
yes, and the semantics of this case are, "You'd need to invest a shitbunch of time into ranges to see any payoff".
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Get your range-for together, man!
 
why is javascript such a headache T_T web control rules, policy rules, ueh
 
Xeo
Oh wait, that commit is from 04.02.
 
@Puppy that's the library implementor's job
 
12:43 PM
and then re-write a bunch of your code that works just fine right now.
@BartekBanachewicz Not in C++.
 
Xeo
wtf Bartek, why are you digging around there
 
@Xeo I doubt he improved much since then
 
user1804599
@EiyrioüvonKauyf because it was designed by someone in ten days who had to make it look like Java halfway through.
 
@Xeo randomly opened it vOv. no biggie.
@Puppy I was under impression we weren't talking about just C++
 
the code sample you posted was just C++.
 
12:44 PM
yeah, but then you mentioned Wide :v
 
there was no context or reason to justify discussing any other language.
no, I mentioned the Wide compiler.
which is in C++.
 
that's why I only suggested using a range-for here
my additional remark about more functional way here was, well, additional
 
in Wide itself, I absolutely agree, it's the implementor's job to provide ranges and I did at least somewhat, even though the Wide stdlib is barely getting started
 
okey, then I've just misunderstood you. Sorry.
 
but in C++, it's probably not worth going for ranges unless you have a very, very large codebase.
 
12:46 PM
FTR I've implemented a few lazy range constructs in ES6 for my project
I think it was well worth it
 
user1804599
The code in question is readable as hell so who cares.
 
@rightfold it's using a numerical for loop, which is a suboptimal tool here.
 
it's a lot simpler when you have garbage collection, no value categories, no constness, etc.
 
user1804599
OH NO A NUMERIC FOR LOOP
 
user1804599
NOW I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CODE ANYMORE
 
12:47 PM
it's completely not about what you're saying
the code would be understandable with both a range for and numeric for, and that's not the thing that would be changed.
 
@rightfold using a numerical for loop, safety aside, forces you to use a random-access container (which is probably not a very good choice here either)
 
Xeo
Still no moves from subobjects :(
 
man, they really need to fix that document.
it takes like, 10 minutes to load for me.
 
is there no way to get you a better cable?
 
12:50 PM
the EU is paying for one.
it'll be here between October and Christmas
 
fuck, reminds me
I have to move my internet connection to my new place soon
it's closer to the center, so there shouldn't be problems with hooking up 250/20 again... at least I hope so.
 
hmm
 
> As a defense, guitarists developed new skills like palm muting to compensate. Playing technique began to be about holding the power back until needed, as opposed to struggling to stand out—the exact opposite of an acoustic guitar, or even early electrics.
This is the first time I've seen this written out
and ironically, not in a technique lesson, but in the gear article
I love Premier Guitar.
 
user1804599
@Xeo dat web page
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's pretty obvious. It's just different instruments. Much the same with digital pianos I guess
 
12:59 PM
Digital pianos or synths? Because in the former case I suspect they're made to sound as real as possible (which would include original dynamics)
At least that was what @AndyProwl said IIRC.
 
user1804599
I'm free next week.
 

« first day (1349 days earlier)      last day (3592 days later) »