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6:00 PM
@Puppy Yeah, I still have only one unlocked ship.
 
Why don't you all migrate to JavaSucks to escape the C++?
 
everything sucks :|. i have hope for Rust <3
 
I like Rust. Until you get held at gun point.
 
I unfortunately cannot because it's slightly confidential information. That is a non sequitur. Reproduce the problem with non-confidential data. It is not enough for us to "just take your word for it". — Lightness Races in Orbit 28 secs ago
Jesus why are people so stupid?!?!
 
user1804599
Rust sucks.
 
user1804599
6:03 PM
Complicated clusterfuck.
 
user1804599
Simplicity plix.
 
@rightfold At times. However, it can be fun if you have a group.
 
Semantically, a potential std::string_view requires the owning container (that being std::string or const char* or whatever) to be in scope, right?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How can something be "slightly" confidential?
 
@Puppy don't do that random pointless shit! Go out there and look for the random events that unlock new ships!
 
user1804599
6:04 PM
@Jefffrey Yes.
 
user1804599
That’s why it’s primarily useful for arguments.
 
euh speaking of Boost. it doesn't define what has to be in scope so it doesn't die T_T
 
@jalf I'd rather do the random pointless shit that will actually definitely net me some reward for it than wander through hoping for gameplay to appear
make no mistake, though: both options suck.
 
@ThePhD you need to change some #ifdefs to not use boost. Should be easy to find.
I don't care.
 
Xeo
6:09 PM
lol
 
The recipient will get it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It slightly makes no sense at all
 
Xeo
Mobilebot again
@EtiennedeMartel That's a nice one.
 
@Xeo It made me so hyped up.
Like "Shit's getting real kids"
 
Vodka makes you drunk, kids.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But Vodka is good for you.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Aren't you proud?
 
@rightfold, I'm not saying rust does or does not suck, I don't know rust well enough to have an opinion. But it must really be something if the C++ lounge says that Rust is a complicated clusterfuck. :)
 
user1804599
C++ is even more of a complicated clusterfuck.
 
user1804599
That’s what the C stands for, duh.
 
user1804599
6:19 PM
C++ is fun.
 
@OmnipotentEntity ehh.. rust is like C
 
lol at the 3x edit combo
 
this week's humble bundle contributes towards ukraine's red cross
 
.... the overhead of the red cross is insane >.>
 
we need to make it inline ba dum tschhh
 
6:27 PM
???
 
> Inline expansion is used to eliminate the time overhead (excess time) when a function is called.
 
lol no not always it's not always useful haha compilers ignore the thing quite a number of the time and there's no such thing as eliminating overhead haha. the way scope is setup eliminates that. try a non-turing machine
 
you must be fun at parties
 
The inline keyword isn't about inlining a function
 
user1804599
ODRRR
 
6:31 PM
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A: When should I write the keyword 'inline' for a function/method?

deft_codeOh man, one of my pet peeves. inline is more like static or extern than a directive telling the compiler to inline your functions. extern, static, inline are linkage directives, used almost exclusively by the linker, not the compiler. It is said that inline hints to the compiler that you think...

 
is it just me, or are youtube's video frames bigger than usual?
 
well sometimes it actually replaces it as well if you look at the asm... just very rarely
 
they seem big and I didn't zoom in
 
maybe you hit the larger display button in the bottom right next to the full screen?
 
nope, that makes it even bigger
 
6:38 PM
Looks normal here.
 
I had one of those deja vu moments now
as if I thought about this conversation sometime in the past
I hate it when it happens
 
@AlexM. Yeah, they are.
 
Well, you see, that just means they changed something
 
the whole page is much wider now
 
Xeo
6:43 PM
Yeah, I saw that already.
lols were had
 
Where did you see it?
 
Greetings!
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Our blog's IRC
 
oh
 
Anybody know of a really good tutorial on C++ template programming?
 
Xeo
6:44 PM
I should remember to keep a tab open with the Maid Cafe
 
@Mysticial onii-san, don't touch me at that angle~
 
Xeo
dat flag
 
Why is that flagged?
 
Xeo
6:46 PM
dunno
 
flagged? My links?
 
@cyberspace009 Oh I thought this group frowned upon cplusplus.com?
 
Xeo
Yes we do. No, he's not part of "this group".
 
@Xeo pssh, fine
 
wow, my phone's camera has a "Selfie" button, which activates the front camera and lets you start a timer
probably so you can shout "But first, let me take a selfie" while it goes down, like a fucking retard
 
6:47 PM
@Chimera well read C++ primer
C++ Primer Plus
 
I have Accelerated C++ ( the book ). I haven't actually checked out it section on templates.
 
Seriously? Who the fuck is flagging those links?
 
what links?
 
Not me
 
6:49 PM
why are you flagging so many things
 
im not flagging anything
 
@Mysticial I know who it is. I just don't know why they would be flagging them
 
im just copy and paste the links.
 
@Chimera It does. cplusplus.com is terrible.
 
@milleniumbug are the tutorials terrible? The community there are nice.
 
6:51 PM
oohhh he's back :3
 
no reason to flag though
 
@cyberspace009 Both tutorials and reference. Don't know about the people.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Hello. How are you doing today?
 
@ZachSaucier I'm only copying the links and pasting them.
 
6:52 PM
does it create a flaged automatically then?
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Of course I'm back. I've been in and out of this chat room for over 3 years.
 
@milleniumbug I have that link here in my bookmark. I forgot about this one.
cplusplus was only helpful when it came to people. I used it for that.
 
It's closer to the standard, but isn't the standard (this means you can read it without being a language lawyer). It's wiki, so the factual errors can be corrected much faster. Also, the examples are nicer.
 
@milleniumbug What are you referring to?
 
6:57 PM
@Chimera cppreference.com
 
@milleniumbug oh yes...
Anybody watching the Soccer game Germany vs USA?
 
@BoltClock Thanks for not telling.
 
@Chimera It's over. Germany beat USA 1-0, and both are through.
 
@MartinJames Thanks and crap. Both are eliminated?
 
@Chimera lol no - both go through to the knockout stages. Portugal and Ghana get on planes.
 
7:05 PM
@Chimera no both move on
 
Ah ok. I don't follow soccer/football because as you know soccer/football isn't well liked here in the USA. But does the USA team have a chance of winning it?
 
@Chimera The way things have been going, who knows?
 
@MartinJames Yeah, I just don't know how things are going. I don't follow soccer/football.
 
@Chimera ... you don't follow it because it isn't well-liked?
 
Anyone here know CMake?
 
7:09 PM
@Puppy I personally don't follow it because I don't care about it... and in general I believe most of the USA citizens don't care about it either.
 
eh, they just seem to care about equally pointless sports
 
@Chimera USA are doing a lot better than some other teams, like Spain and England:(
 
@Puppy Yeah I know you don't understand why people like sports, you don't like sports. In the USA, football , basketball and baseball are well liked.
 
football is well-liked over here, but it's equally pointless.
 
@MartinJames Oh, so is that to say that the USA team is actually pretty good?
@Puppy When I say football, I don't mean soccer.
 
7:11 PM
I know.
 
@Puppy ok
 
@Chimera I've seen worse. I've only watched the one match, and they were impressive.
 
@Puppy Does the UK even have football leagues? Or is it called Rugby?
@MartinJames ok cool.
 
rugby and american football are pretty different things as far as I know
 
@Puppy They are.
 
7:12 PM
we definitely don't have any american football anything, as far as I'm aware.
thank God for that, I think if we did our country would explode from all the stupid
 
no the US is done essentially, they're just lucky Portugal / Ghana happened the way it did
 
anyone?
 
@Puppy LOL then you certainly would explode from all the stupid if the UK had the equivalent of NASCAR.
 
@DemCodeLines sorry we don't know cmake, this is the python lounge
 
American football was introduced to the United Kingdom during the early part of the 20th century by American servicemen stationed in the country. The first recorded match took place on 23 November 1910 at Crystal Palace, London, where a team made up of the crew from USS Idaho defeated their counterparts from USS Vermont 19–0. During the Second World War, matches were played by American and Canadian servicemen stationed in the UK at venues throughout the country. This included the 'Tea Bowl' game played at the White City Stadium in 1944, and this was followed by the creation of the United ...
 
7:14 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf ah, that's a shame.
 
uh, I'm not sure I get this completely, does it mean that when the adults lay eggs they revert to the old phase and basically cycle through phases and never actually die?
Magicicada is the genus of the 13-year and 17-year periodical cicadas of eastern North America. Although they are sometimes called "locusts", this is a misnomer as cicadas belong to the taxonomic order Hemiptera, suborder Auchenorrhyncha, while locusts belong to Orthoptera. Magicicada spp. spend most of their 13- and 17-year lives underground feeding on xylem fluids from the roots of deciduous forest trees in the eastern United States. After 13 or 17 years, mature cicada nymphs emerge at any given locality, synchronously and in tremendous numbers. After such a prolonged developmental pha...
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf That's unfortunate.
 
@Chimera this world cup has been weird. spain just went down the drain completely and so did italy and most of the usuals. even brazil didn't do well. netherlands did good as usual. Costa Rica did surprisingly well
 
I thought there was a single animal able to do that
some marine species
 
@AlexM. nothing can 'not die'
at best they can infinitely replicate > cue cancer / infinite cell lines
 
7:15 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Ah ok. So some unexpected upsets have occurred giving the USA team an unexpected chance...
 
@Puppy Does "Smug sense of superiority" come with your British Citizen Kit?
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@EiyrioüvonKauyf Yeah - I enjoyed the way Costa Rica played - they wanted the wins and worked hard for them. Made for exciting matches.
 
Do you think the world cup should be held some where else? Brazil seems nice but with all the riots and complaints about it.
 
@Chimera ... no they're still done for basically, unless they magically start doing 1+-0 for all the rest of the world cup. which is statistically improbable
 
Xeo
@AlexM. 'gone', as in 'not seen again for x years'
 
7:16 PM
@cyberspace009 Should be held in Iran.
 
@cyberspace009 eh.. you mean like Qatar. right now everything FIFA is getting bad press after their nice corruption was made public
 
Xeo
because only in x years will the then-eggs emerge as adult cicadas
the adults that laid the eggs simply die
 
@Xeo yes, but are they referring to the spawns or to the old adults?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, it comes from watching millions of others waste their lives adoring other people for standing in front of a camera or kicking a ball around a field.
 
@Chimera how would that work?
 
7:17 PM
Turritopsis dohrnii, the immortal jellyfish, is a species of small jellyfish which is found in the Mediterranean Sea and in the waters of Japan. It is unique in that it exhibits a certain form of "immortality": it is the only known case of an animal capable of reverting completely to a sexually immature, colonial stage after having reached sexual maturity as a solitary stage. Like most other hydrozoans, T. dohrnii begin their life as free-swimming tiny larvae known as planula. As a planula settles down, it gives rise to a colony of polyps that are attached to the seafloor. Jellyfish, al...
 
How about having the world cup in the USA? We have some nice cities and venues for soccer/football.
 
every time I feel down about my life, I can just remember that I'm not one of those people.
 
@cyberspace009 It wouldn't.. was joking.
 
@Puppy Or not getting a job.
 
@Puppy ..instead of endlessly rebuilding clang and boost.
 
7:18 PM
@AlexM. yes it's cells do it, however they are not immortal in the sense that they can die, they essentially have infinite stem cells, humans unfortunately degrade and the telomeres and general process goes to crap, also they do not technically 'live', they reverse their life cycles
 
@MartinJames Ah, at least I appreciate the futility of that :P
 
dem pings
 
where's telekitty, he needs a ping
 
man I wish I was one of the guys who studied on time and finished their exams already
^ me during any exam session
 
@AlexM. college?
 
7:25 PM
yes
at least it's just one more year to go
 
@AlexM. what's your major?
 
@AlexM. Woah that jellyfish looks amazingly like a deer
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel Burrrrrrn
 
@cyberspace009 CS
 
@AlexM. I was going to guess that.
 
Ell
7:26 PM
@Puppy How do you figure it's a waste?
 
and I'm thinking about following it up with a master's in software engineering
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have no idea why that deer is there
 
I don't have a major. I'm not in the army.
 
it's not even on the page
 
It is.
It's the widest image on the page.
 
I can't see it :\
 
7:27 PM
It's probably hidden in the category thing near the bottom.
 
@Puppy How is Wide coming along?
 
@AlexM. You may find it right at the bottom of the page in miniature
 
And rendered small but the image is actually large.
 
yeah, found it in the end
 
7:28 PM
pretty good actually
 
user3010322
Weee
 
user3010322
It's XAML and WPF again!
 
weird, went onto Wikipedia to find out where Nottingham's American "Football" team play
big sports complex. never heard of it. look it up. practically on the next road from me
right opposite "Thongs Galore", apparently
 
Football-after-touchdown.
Nah. Handegg is better.
 
@Puppy Do you have a compiler that supports a portion of Wide yet?
 
7:29 PM
Got entertained by @puppy comments on pointless sports.
 
@Chimera yep
also, balls.
I accidentally blew up half my crew on the enemy ship
 
@Puppy Sweet. Is it capable of compiling useful programs?
 
@Puppy I would never let you be my captian.
 
@cyberspace009 Well, the enemy crew ran away from death, so my crew blew up the system instead, and they only had 1 hull left.
@Chimera Probably not.
 
7:31 PM
And do you have a Wide website?
 
Hello. I have a friend on Reddit who was a UNIX/LINUX Programmer for 42 years, who worked for A-Life (The guy was featured on Discovery Channel for a documentary on Artificial life) His lab closed which he worked for 20 years and ironically he is struggling to make a new life with his experience.

If anyone can help him or give him advise [http://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/2962jg/late_50s_unixlinux_scientific_programmer_returned/] I would appreciate it.

I asked him to ask a question on SO to elaborate on his situation but I feel it would be neg-voted. What is your opinion?
 
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Q: std::atomic_flag as member variable

SilerWhat is a safe way to initialize an std::atomic_flag in a class constructor? This question seems to be asking the same question I'm asking - except here the asker is complaining about a compiler problem. My question relates to the C++ standard itself. According to this site, initializing an st...

 
@BDillan Where does he live?
 
What the heck kind of question would that be.
 
@Chimera Not really. One of the many things I should fix.
 
7:32 PM
Michigan
 
@BDillan Does he have good C++ experience and GUI framework experience?
@BDillan I know of a job .... which is why I'm asking...
 
Please click on the link. He wrote several paragraphs.
 
@BDillan ok
@BDillan I can't. reddit is blocked at work...
 
I'm trying to be organized with my code. Sadly, I'm being tempted to have at least 230 lines of code in this file.
 
@BDillan would you mind pasting his comment on pastebin or someting?
 
7:34 PM
just jam the code in.
 
@cyberspace009 Put it all inside of a lambda.
 
To get back at him you need to click on his Reddit link I provided
 
So you want to write a script that disables the confirmation box in a script manager that asks users whether they're sure they want to install a script? Did you think that your pbrush.exe redaction would magically hide the fact that you are obviously up to something very malicious? — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
@BDillan It would be downvoted because it is not a question about code or programming languages.
Programmers might take such a question.
 
@BDillan Ok. I find it hard to believe with his apparent experience that he can't find work.
 
7:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That is why I want someone here to get back with him on Reddit.
 
@Chimera never used a lambda function before. Will it decrease performance in your experience?
 
@BDillan Ok I will... if he is willing to work on more mundane stuff and is willing to relocate I might have some ideas.
 
> I learned that a number of my best friends had died, not being able to afford adequate medical care
What
 
@cyberspace009 I just started using lambdas myself and I don't know about performance.. my gut tells me performance shouldn't be impacted..
 
They're that bad in their 50s? Can't survive? And they're his "best friends" but he only just found out?
This reads like a not-so-elaborate troll.
 
7:39 PM
If you look at his Reddit profile you would clearly see his other posts are fully mature. I find it stupid to believe he is a troll
 
@BDillan Is it you?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Roger that. :D
 
Anyway thankyou guys for looking into it
@Chimera ?
 
@cyberspace009 If that's the first question you ask, you're doing it wrong.
 
@BDillan Are you this person who posted that comment on Reddit?
 
7:40 PM
fully mature..lol *I meant mature
@Chimera no..
 
user3010322
As opposed to half-mature.
 
user3010322
Or quarter-circle back mature.
 
@Puppy then what is the correct way? Just do it and find out for myself?
 
I agree with puppy for once.
 
no, the correct way is to not give a shit about the performance until you discover that you have a hot path with a lambda in it.
 
7:41 PM
@cyberspace009 I was just joking about using a huge lambda... :-)
 
@BDillan Yet he said he'd come onto SO and ask for help on his behalf, just before you did. And he also doesn't know how to say "get back to you"
 
@Chimera I apologize. Yes. I thought you meant if I submitted the post
 
But then you said he's your "friend" and I don't think commenting on someone's reddit troll means you're a "friend"
 
Sorry I thought he asked if I was the troll and the thread was fake
 
@Puppy ah. I will take that tip.
@Chimera Darn it. I was doing a tut.
 
7:43 PM
Anyway, to answer the question "what would you do?" Start drinking a lot more. Move cities (seriously, this hasn't been considered? he didn't even want to go back there in the first place!)
 
I am expecting professional developers to answer his question. Hence why I came here. I am not professional but want to help him. Anyway bye guys
 
@BDillan Ok. Cya.
 
if you want professional developers to answer his question, why the fuck did you come here?
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you've been here enough times to know how this place rolls...
 
Seems like with his experience he would know what to do to find another gig?
 
@Chimera the only issue with lambdas is if you use the same lambda in two places and they are non-trival. Then the compiler will make extra code when it could have been in a single function object
if they are very very similar just use a template function object
 
user1804599
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: at the time I posted the answer it was the single obvious answer to the question as it was then. you know that. you are again trolling, not presenting an honest opinion or question. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 15 mins ago
here goes
 
@Mgetz execept if you do something like: auto lambda = ( [] () {....}; )
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh he changed avatars
 
then use a reference to lambda
 
is that the actor from the good the bad and the ugly who died recently?
I've heard something about that
 
7:48 PM
@AlexM. shame he didn't change his tampon
 
lol
 
TIL Americans call Frosties "Frosted Flakes", and Frosted Flakes "Frosties". reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/295ap3/…
What sort of childish country uses "Frosties" for the generic name of a type of food?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's funny you say that. I'm a foster parent and have fostered a number of teenage girls who had their first periods while living with us. Every single girl didn't want to talk about this with me ( I'm a guy ) but would with my wife. I suppose this is normal?
 
@Chimera Um... yes.......
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I suppose it would be the same if the girl was with their natural parents?
 
7:51 PM
@Chimera uh, yeah
if I were a male parent, I wouldn't want to talk to my daughter about her period, either
I'm pretty sure her mom would be better suited for anything like it
 
As a male, who doesn't mind talking about menstruation, I would find it odd if a hypothetical daughter of mine wanted to talk about it with me.
because, as I understand it, it's embarrassing.
 
@AlexM. Yes, I suppose that's true. I would hope that no guy would have experience with periods and feminine hygiene products. Hell, I get weirded out having to buy that stuff for my wife/
 
user1804599
@OmnipotentEntity about 2/5 of the people on Earth do it.
 
user1804599
Tell her that. :v
 
@Chimera honestly I prefer the explicitness of a function object at that point
 
7:54 PM
@Mgetz ok.
 
@Chimera of course!!
 
@Mgetz Isn't a lambda a function object in that it is considered a callable?
 
^ this is quite good
 
Ell
I would tell my daughter that she is a terrible person and that having her period is a dirty dirty habit and if she continues to disrespect me she will be thrown out onto the street
 
@rightfold, tangentially related to the topic at hand. One time there was this reddit argument about how had bleed more in history, men or women, and I did the math, and found out it was women by some completely ridiculous amount.
 
7:56 PM
@Ell lol
 
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@OmnipotentEntity :P
 
@Chimera better question for the standards experts but that is most likely the effective implementation.
 
> This article raised a lot of interesting questions:
1. Who is this right-wing witch creature and how does one kill it?
2. Did she dunk her face in a bucket of sand before having that photo taken?
3. Is knowing nothing about sport and hating women's sports a symptom of being a sand-faced witch creature?
That comment is hilarious
 
@OmnipotentEntity again, duh?!
 
user1804599
7:58 PM
I think non-scalar fields in relational databases are underrated.
 
user1804599
Arrays and dictionaries FTW.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit plot twist: it's a dinosaur porn movie
 
what...
@AlexM. ptentially
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, I thought it was more or less obvious, but apparently it was super contentious.
 
@DavidHammen: yes the loop does exist for the sole reason of avoiding the gotos, and their necessary labels. this means that the code is structured, by the original meaning of the word: control flows into blocks at top, and when it exits a block it comes out right at the bottom of that block. what you're arguing for, goto jumps, has been known to create hell since Dijkstra's original "GOTO considered harmful" article in 1968. You have some catching up to do. I strongly suggest you get at it. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 20 mins ago
 

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