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@Tanaike Good morning!
@Tanaike hm, I am unsure which one of the alternatives you prefer, could you please clarify a little? Would you like to: A. Merge all such tags into one; B. Synonymize to one; C. Keep as is?
as far as I understood it, the problem is that Ruben and @TheMaster are currently at odds at what to do with these tags, but the former doesn't participate in the room anymore (at least for now) and thus even if we achieve a consensus, it would be impossible to "enforce" it and they are not part of the discussion. So in this regards I understand the desire to discuss on meta.
On the other hand, some folks out there think that such matters should be decided by wild west tactics, so I have an "I have a bad feeling about this" issue with that
you are doing great in my opinion :) I do not think you misunderstand anything due to your skill - most of the time I think I speak a different language that the person I am talking about (I have a client who I barely understand by scanning for keywords).
Re:big mistake - can you share the story if that's not a secret?
02:30
@OlegValter Thank you for replying. About "A. Merge all such tags into one; B. Synonymize to one; C. Keep as is?", I can understand "C". But I cannot understand the difference between "A" and "B". When "google-apps-script-##1" and "google-apps-script-##2" are merged to "google-apps-script",
@OlegValter In the case of "A", "google-apps-script-##1" and "google-apps-script-##2" are removed. In the case of "B", "google-apps-script-##1" and "google-apps-script-##2" are left. But "google-apps-script-##1" and "google-apps-script-##2" are linked to "google-apps-script". Is my understanding correct?
@OlegValter And, thank you, again. I think that my skill might be able to be improved by continuing to answer for various questions and discuss with various situation. So now, I would like to do them. About my big mistake, because I couldn't use the appropriate words, I had made a person confuse.
03:00
@Tanaike yes, you understand correctly, in the case of B, all these tags exist, but get linked to the "target" tag, so the asker can enter any of the tags, and it will silently be remapped to the target tag
@Tanaike and thank you for still being very active after nearly 4 years of service :) I agree - where else can one become more skilled in using the language if not in communication with others ( btw, do not hesitate to comment if something in phrasing / syntax looks strange to you - we will try our best to provide info ). Re: story - I see, well, miscommunication happens, that's true - I hope confusion was the extent of that?
03:32
@OlegValter Thank you. From your replying, I think that "B" is suitable for my direction.
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@OlegValter Thank you for the advices. Because I had no educated about the programing in my life, I always think that I have to study more and more. As well as this, I have to study English more. So I would like to tell it when I have a question in the discussions! About the confusion, now I cannot contact to the person. So now, I'm not sure about the detail. But I have thought that my English skill brought to the problem. It's about 15 years ago.
 
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05:40
@Tanaike perfect, thank you - let's see what other have to say about that as well then :)
I am curious what would a new user reading this might think - your contributions are phenomenal ( btw, @MariosKaramanis @PuzzledBoy - I don't know if you know, but just in case - if you accidentally vote on too many Q/A of a single person in a short span, the system will pick it up and at best reverse )
Don't hesitate to tell in the slightest!
Re: confusion - oh, that was really long ago - I am sure they have forgotten all about it
needs details or too broad, take your pick stackoverflow.com/questions/63334201/…
@OlegValter Yes. I think it too. But from this experience, I became more careful when I use English.
06:06
@OlegValter I am more interested in learning and looking at GSlide with Google Apps Script question ..may be I voted lot of in short span. I can't say. But I always appreciate que and ans. More you can guide me if I am wrong some where.
Hope I don't get downvote barraged:
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Q: Remove/Merge [google-apps-script-editor] to [google-apps-script]

TheMasterUp until recently, the tag usage guideline of this tag read, Use for questions about Google Apps Script Editor which do not involve actual script development issues. By this definition, Most questions should be offtopic. Currently it reads, Use for questions about Google Apps Script Editor (th...

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Do share your opinion
@PuzzledBoy I never seen interest in slides. Why do you like it?
@OlegValter Will it pick up upvotes too? I thought only downvotes matter
06:26
@TheMaster yes, it does, apparently, this is even a serious problem: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126829/…
@TheMaster that one might survive if Bhargav manages to weigh in before that :) That is a valid retag request. One change I would make - replace "remove" from the title with "synonymize" (or simply remove it, yes :)
@OlegValter DoneπŸ‘
@TheMaster noticed πŸ‘ let's hope everyone had a good weekend to be open for discussion
@OlegValter Your opinion on this?
retagging complete. Should burn itself in 24 hours
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@TheMaster perfect!
@TheMaster because i recently worked with a team who is working on a school project with google slide to teach math and physics. i never worked on any addons before, i always worked on web application CRM, ERP , Inventory ETC
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06:39
I will share my opinion once I am up tomorrow (I will have to get off in about an hour, and I have a few pending tasks to finish before that), but as a preliminary thought I want to synonymize to [tag:google-apps-script-project] as I mentioned before and move the wiki info there. Same for -libraries and -dashboard
We can then go one by one and make tags that represent the structure of the project synonyms of that, and I will move the info there.
Once done, we can discuss if the tag itself warrants being synonymized itself - and voila!
@OlegValter TBH I created to add crucial info to the wiki. Now I'm beginning to regret creating such a long tag. I really believe canonical faq post/self answer is the way to go rather than wiki editing.
@TheMaster wasn't it created only because there was a dispute over ? Keeping it would be a very nice solution (but alas, Cody decided to do the reverse)
@OlegValter No. The initial creation. Even with [gas-web-app], I prefer splitting. There is nothing wrong with [web-applications]. In addition, given thesignificant amount of questions related to [gas], You can add the wiki there.
is really not a good keywords as per my view ,
see if new candidate comes then he will confuse what is it, Google also shared "Google Apps Script" instead of (Gas)
@PuzzledBoy long story :) It is currently . We wanted to synonymize and , given the lack of usage of the former to make shorter tags and stop people from tagging Google Apps Script questions with it (you will be surprized how persistent they were)
06:48
@PuzzledBoy see
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A: What can be done to prevent [gas] tag ambiguity?

Cody Graygas is now renamed to gnu-assembler. gnu-as is a synonym of gnu-assembler. Tag blacklists are no longer really an option, unfortunately. I'm going to suggest we try leaving it for a while with gas non-existent and seeing what happens. Since there are no [gas*] tags, hopefully someone will think t...

@PuzzledBoy short summary 2/2: we even got top answerers of on board, but all that led to a half-victory: now folks are less likely to mistag, but neither we nor anyone else has the claim (until it starts creeping back up again).
i will appreciate your words and also knows you selected the best solution, but there are lot of ppls who are not much technical strong and here to learn new things. :) sorry .
but i am saying think about the ppls who are new and just here comes to find the solution in short span with their ques. they knows "Google Apps Script" but not the "gas"
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user9899611
Hi there, I added a question and after a while got the message "Closed. This question needs to be more focused. It is not currently accepting answers." I made several edits to be more focused, and is still closed. Are the reviews human? why I can't reopen after fixing it?
Share url please or you have screen shot?
@Mel
user9899611
sure, here is the question: stackoverflow.com/questions/63320222/…
06:54
@PuzzledBoy I see your point - that's not a problem, the system works by silently changing the tag under the hood, the author of the post can enter whatever they want (so you can add and still end up in , and vice versa depending on which tag is "target", and "source")
@Mel hi! Yes, the reviews are manual - the first edit on your post pushes it to reopen queue, where it is reviewed in the same way it was closed. Currently we have 216 of them pending, so it might take a while
user9899611
ah ok, so I just need to wait then?
@Mel you can (and you already did) ask here freely - those with privilege to vote for closing / reopen will take a look. @TheMaster - your thoughts?
@Mel my suggestion:
dived your post in 3 part, keep these heading:
what you have tried for (code and some details)
what is issue , if possible post screen shot
what is expected result. if possible post screen shot
then
try to post Que with exact issue instead of long code.


i am sure this will work .
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user9899611
ok I'll edit again, but originally I didn't include any code. Someone actually flagged that I had to add the code.
@Mel Hi You can't just ask volunteers to do 50% of the remaining work. Show what you've tried and which part you're stuck in. It still needs debugging details
07:00
:50167602, the question got closed because usually the questions with "I get a part of work done, help me finish it" get closed as "too broad". But we all for helping if you have any issues along the way
@Mel do ping us here then - the second and subsequent edits does not push the question to the reopen queue
user9899611
ok makes sense. To be honest, 50% was just an expression. But I'll just start over. Thanks for the advice!
@Mel @PuzzledBoy didn't say remove code. If anything, you should remove your spreadsheet and just post screenshots. Also code should be what you've tried now to reach the current goal - not just your old code
Good morning everyone!
@RafaGuillermo Long time no see
@Mel btw, for reference on what you can do if the question is closed: meta.stackexchange.com/help/reopen-questions
@RafaGuillermo - welcome back, I hope you had I nice vacation! @ziganotschka - hi!
07:04
@TheMaster Been out of the country since Thursday, got back 2am last night
Excuse me for not catching up on everything super quickly, as always you've been a productive bunch!
@TheMaster Just playing devil's advocate here because I think GAS editor and gas as a tag aren't different enough to worry abouy anything but how do you feel about tags like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/intellij-idea ?
@RafaGuillermo Hope you had a nice time
@RafaGuillermo too productive as some said recently :)
@RafaGuillermo you mean versioned tags? That is a huge discussion in itself (I personally do not understand people that need tags for each major [best case] version)
@RafaGuillermo I looked into ide questions. Those are about how to work with them. They have tyoescript, types, special json configurations and most importantly can be used by anyone
@RafaGuillermo I'm actually not getting your point. You're saying they are the same and should be merged?
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Q: Questions on Visual Studio Code

j08691There are currently over 2,000 questions on Visual Studio Code, an code editing application made by Microsoft. The tag description is: Visual Studio Code is a source code and text editor for Linux, OS X, and Windows. It includes support for debugging, embedded Git Control, and rich develo...

@TheMaster Actually, yes. The GAS editor isn't so separate from the rest of GAS that it shoul have a separate tag IMHO. Was playing more devils advocate that it's not as off-topic as it seems from first glance as there are other larger, more active IDE tags which seem to be considered on topic for the site
@RafaGuillermo ummm.. I'm sorry. You're saying devils advocate, but you seem to be saying the same thing. That they should be merged? Isn't that my request too?
@OlegValter I did cast a reopen vote
07:13
@TheMaster Yeah, I actually agree with you, they should be merged. The side I was trying to bring up as devil's advocate (apparently very uncleraly - my bad) is that it's not as off-topic as it seems at first glance because of other IDE tags. Was bringing it up more for discussion around the point to get a fuller picture rather than to just blindly nod and agree
@TheMaster well, I see it's too late ( but that's not a problem )
And - on a similar note - how do you feel about ?
@RafaGuillermo hm, I think it should stay, this is a standalone project and in its case CLASP can go hand in hand with TypeScript
@RafaGuillermo I don't think they're off topic either. I was just bringing to attention the usage guideline for all this time. Most questions there are just about logging and should preferably be tagged as or
@RafaGuillermo stays. Agree with @OlegValter
@TheMaster "Most questions there are just about logging" - I think this is a very big point, actually the trend I have noticed is exactly this and most questions can be marked as dupe to existing logger/stackdriver/gcp project questions
@TheMaster @OlegValter πŸ‘
07:21
@RafaGuillermo I agree with that , but I believe some questions are not about that. And logging related to [gas-editor] can be handled by [gas] experts alone. That's why the proposal to merge it to [gas] instead of a generic tag like (even isn't that bad.)
@OlegValter
@OlegValter Good morning everyone! I am going now through the chat history of last weekend.
@TheMaster I do agree that ultra specific tags are an overkill and not really necessary, maybe even confusing.
@TheMaster I am inclined to agree with you here. It's more related to gas than given it's unseparable nature and tbh I don't think I've ever seen a question tagged with the editor and not also the main gas tag
@RafaGuillermo πŸ‘
@ziganotschka πŸ‘ Let's kill them all. Where are the pitch forks?
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🧨!
07:31
Anyway even bad discussion is good for the post. If we have all discussion here, Most will think no one cares.
@TheMaster now I leave for a couple of minutes, and there are already pitforks ready, come on! :)
@ziganotschka good morning! Hope we did not flood the space too much
@OlegValter We're out for blood! Ha ha
@RafaGuillermo agreed, I guess the shift happened when became more popular, and people just moved from the Apps Script Editor as it clearly not in very high priority with Google. I remember the first time I installed and configured VS Code...
07:53
@Mel Deleting and reasking would be bad in the long run. You might automatically be question banned.
08:30
@TheMaster @ziganotschka @RafaGuillermo @Tanaike - I could not go offline without finishing the first version of the alternative proposal: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/400146/11407695
 
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09:46
overly broad (possibly a write code for me request) stackoverflow.com/questions/63337750/…
09:56
@OlegValter I agree to a vote.
@OlegValter It's a interesting question. Don't think there's a selection class for DocumentApp. He wants to exploit the undocumented api.
thanks - I really don't want the post to become a problem (also I found a couple of reasons more on-topic that I want to add, surprisingly in favour of making editor a synonym).

Off-note: fun fact of the day, immediately after posting, I got 2 unupvotes and close vote on the reference of errors Q&A that I still keep in shape and make more granular since the discussion stalled to a screeching halt :)
@TheMaster question is interesting, and I know exactly what they are talking about (/save endpoint that controls the current selection for every google product), but it is not public indeed (and afaik was never intended to be), but in its current form - too broad
@OlegValter That's me and that's well, before you posted. The close vote was at least 5 days back. I don't want you to spend any more time on it. You were refining it. Initially I thought it was ok.but I don't think it'll be of any use to anyone with such broadness, unless you split it off. And I did NOT downvote this meta answer either.
10:13
oups, I did not notice the close vote, so I assumed it is brand new. In fact, I started to refine it to start splitting, but I did not have enough to deliver on a good separate canonicals, so I kept amounting the material (and made navigation to address the "too long to find anything useful" reason someone had earlier)

re:votes - nah (thanks for telling, though, I appreciate it), I am ok with unupvotes, just a curiosity
@OlegValter Think of it this way, it's just a list of importantv self answered Q/A. Whether it becomes a canonical is upto others, who will decide on it's quality and there's much to chance
10:30
@TheMaster yes, of course, sorry, I used a broader sense of canonical here (I never use it for duplicate closing as well), that refers to the discussion about "splitting into canonicals". My intention was, and still is, as I am tired of seeing these errors in miriad forms is to refine my material and slowly split it ( although these days I barely keep up with discussions, work, editing and even barely answer )
10:40
@OlegValter If you refine like this without getting any feedback whatsoever, you can't comprehend whether the refining is good or not. I'd delete it and just post 1Q/A or answer a already asked canonical question with what you consider a better answer. Then votes will decide. Anyway, your choice. Given the close votes aren't coming up, Others might have a different view.
re:voting, that's understandable - I kept it at as low visibility as possible, my idea is to split it once I am ready to do so (and that requires a very thorough collection - I can't say I am ready to post anything as *the* definitive answer).
Anyways, if you seem to be ok with with that process, I could finally start slowly splitting it ( using the material from here ). That would need a research of existing canonicals and simply good Q&As - I found some that I would consider good ones, but far from even close to finishing
Hi guys, I think it is redundant that we have two tags for the same thing: google-sheets-macros and google-apps-script . What do you think ?
11:00
@MariosKaramanis hi! Yes, I think it can be made a synonym of the main tag, went the same venue ( and )
 
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@MariosKaramanis πŸ‘
 
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15:04
I just posted my 100th answer on Stackoverflow. While it might be overkill or slighlty out of the topic, I think it is worth reading: stackoverflow.com/questions/63341021/….
15:58
@MariosKaramanis Oops. Sorry for closing it. I upvoted though. In any case, the answers will still be visible to the community.
@MariosKaramanis Congrats on 100 answersπŸŽ‰
16:20
@TheMaster thanks a lot !!!
 
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19:33
@TheMaster didn't you close the duplicate source, not the target? :)
@MariosKaramanis congrats πŸŽ‰
19:52
@OlegValter thanks a lot!! The answer was moved here: stackoverflow.com/questions/60773329/…
 
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@MariosKaramanis ah, I see, thank you. Btw, since you already use lambdas, I would suggest moving all of the syntax, as well as projects to V8, there is no point in keeping var declarations and old for loops :)
21:19
@OlegValter True I should have replaced them with vars
Consts*
21:37
@MariosKaramanis πŸ˜‚ just make a note to folks that they need to enable or make themselves acquainted with the runtime and ES6 - I bet most of askers these days do not know what "runtime" even means
 
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@OlegValter No. You only need 5 score
Created the following synonyms. Those who want to wait can wait. Those who agree with the synonyms please upvote. Those who don't, downvote.
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@MariosKaramanis @PuzzledBoy @ziganotschka @OlegValter @Tanaike @RafaGuillermo Anyone with score 5 on can vote:
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23:47
@TheMaster can we vote on multiple tags?
@MariosKaramanis What do you mean? If you have 5 score on the main tag, You can vote on any synonym requests.
@TheMaster Are you sure, was @MariosKaramanis able to vote on any? I always considered the help page to refer to users with privilege (if that is not true, I am more than happy). I voted on everything except the point of contention (editor <- project), as I need to think about this. The rest ++

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