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OK (1 test, 0 assertions)
 
@sagunms Segmentation fault
 
someone promised animated cat gifs but none is coming.
 
oh no, let me comment out everything to pass tests.
 
@janw DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
 
@ArtOfCode BSOD in Windows 10
 
2:03 PM
404
 
@ArtOfCode How did I recognize that one immediately? :D
 
@AdrianMole 418
 
Any advance on 418?
 
or 451, but 418 is more fun... which reminds me, I need to find an excuse to use it in something
 
printf("error\n"); exit(1);
 
2:04 PM
@ArtOfCode That is not one I've seen, but my laptop will throw a DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE if it ever wakes up from sleeping
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sorry, rene's cat was too blurry to get a proper gif
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the election phase. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
o/
 
@Machavity May I disagree with candidate. rene's cat was not so blurry to get a proper gif. It's rene cat not rene.
 
2:12 PM
I don't see a flower
 
a random cat from Thaïland, 2019
 
@KevinB The cat is sitting on the flower. See rene's leaves?
 
yes, and rene, of course.
 
@Tschallacka BTW, Zagreb was on Forbes top 20 list of safest destinations in Europe (after the earthquake)... I wonder what are they smoking... basically, it is far from safe to move around center and old town and half of museums and other places worth visiting are closed because of the damage.
 
You didn't read the definition of safety: "list of 20 destinations least affected by Covid-19"
 
2:16 PM
florida
 
yeah, but omitting the earthquake part is just....
 
@DalijaPrasnikar It's probably basedon muggings, kidnappings, pickpockets etc... not about not dying or physical harm.
 
Well... if you can prove covid caused the earthquake maybe they'll remove it from the list :p
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@Nick, It might be one of the creeping after effects we're just now learning about.
 
@Nick They're just cursed
 
2:19 PM
@ouflak Oh ok. So like putting in a big blue edit button what every can use on a users closed post with the result that when users do cosmetic edits, the posts are never reopened and when the user makes they own valuable edits, they've lost the change of the free ride to the reopen queue - kind of useless pampering? :)
 
@ouflak Don't you know you're meant to reply to Nicks and not @ them :p, you've just pinged Nick2 and NickCoder as well
 
i mean, proof isn't needed, just a strong opinion
 
@ouflak I've always found that very annoying. I think it brings in more conflicts.
 
@Nick Interesting, so replying does not ping all Nicks as well?
 
well
it notifies them, but it doesn't ping them
 
2:21 PM
No way! Ping @Nick. NickCoder answer if you got this.
 
they'll get the green circle, but not an audible sound or an inbox message
 
@KevinB I don't think they even get the green circle, but the @.Nick text will appear highlighted green
 
@Tschallacka whole Croatia is pretty much the same as far as all those are concerned including covid... the greatest outbreaks we had were in nursing homes, nuns in one monastery and night clubs (if you don't party, it is safe)
 
@Scratte, That's a technical topic that has nothing to do with pandering to gender/race/religion/orientation/etc....
But yes, that's something else I don't like either. Unfortunately, I don't think there is much that moderators can do about that except complain on meta and hope that that part of the system is eventually fixed by SE somehow/someday. I've had my own good posts (well... one) disappear into oblivion because of that.
 
@ouflak We love that.. we also really love it when we post a feature-request that gets lots of upvotes and is just completely ignored by Stack :D
But on the topic of pandering to minorities. It's pretty easy to avoid that as a user here. No one knows if I'm part of any minority.. because I just don't have to tell anyone and no one can see it.
 
2:32 PM
Stack Overflow should have some sort of public api that allows integrated userscripts by vetted users
and then a checkbox in the userprofile, use user generated mods
 
I could be 16 or 90 years old. It doesn't make a difference here. The only thing that makes a difference is my conduct and contribution. I wish more would take advantage of it and recognize that nobody actually knows anything unless it's explicitly mentioned.
 
then we can mod Stack Overflow
 
@Scratte, Are you familiar with the recent policy on neo-speak pronouns? Did you see the recent StackExchange post on 'fighting racism'? None of this has anything to do with this site, its core missions, and what it delivers to the world. And it can be dangerously counter-productive. If I am elected to be a moderator, I won't be a part of that.
Fortunately, nowhere in the moderator's agreement does it say a moderator has to implement or enforce potentially offensive (to minorities) policies. But that may be a matter of interpretation....
 
@ouflak I did see one post and I did mention my opinion on it. It was not in line with the reply from Stack.
 
@ouflak actually we have a "harassment bigotry or abuse" flag for that. We are supposed to react to racial slur and all that crap.
I've seen some "go back to India" for instance...
 
2:35 PM
💩
 
"go back to India" is probably stupid anyway. The user is probably already there.
 
Thanks all candidates of this election for your help, support, and life-saving coding skills :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre, Again, that's not pandering. That's a blanket policy that has nothing to do with race/gender/religion/orientation. It might in particular cases descend to that specific level. But that's coincidental.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That is quite distasteful and should be flagged.. But if I say "this is black humour", I would not expect someone to flag is as a racist remark.
 
@Scratte Rather "no longer needed" ;)
 
2:37 PM
this is black humour only with very close friends. Otherwise it's just plain racist
 
@ouflak policy on neo-speak pronouns, Its hard for non eng user whose English is 3rd and 4th ..........
 
@janw In chat.. we do not remove old messages as no longer needed :)
 
the pronoun affair is more obscure...
chat isn't trying to build the ultimate computer resource
 
@Shree, A point I'm sure was well discussed and considered by the powers-that-be before they blanket pushed that onto the site.
 
@Scratte Oh...sorry, I was still in comment mode :)
 
2:38 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Huh?.. What if I say "Film noir"? :)
 
I've seen "yuck fou" too.
@Scratte funny you mention that. I just saw "Tout simplement noir" yesterday.
superb but I think it wouldn't transpose too well in other countries. Too many french only references/people.
(this isn't a "Film noir", more a "film avec des noirs")
 
I should definitely learn French...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I may have even mistaken "Black humour" with "Dark humour". My point is that flagging it would not have reflected my intentions or my meaning, but only someones sensitivity. And they do not even have to be sensitive, because nothing of their lives show here, unless they want it to. "Tout simplement noir"? Could that be in reference to coffee? :)
 
@janw You can start here
 
I love dark humour too. No the movie is ... undescribable. But not about coffee.
Now I want coffee.
 
2:42 PM
@ouflak They pushed so why some of us don't trust . We love SE as well we hate because they pushed far for non native user. Same thing happen on some chat room for me. It's me don't blame any one.
 
I prefer milk in mine.. but I get worried when everyone is so very sensitive, because it makes every word a problem. Can I say I like my coffee light brown without offending any one single person? Probably not.. but is a problem? In my opinion, that's not on me or on Stack.
 
Hello
need help to select choices
 
@ElectionBot help
 
@Scratte Oh, I didn't even recognize the possible offense there. "Black humour" is the direct translation of the German phrase for "Dark humour"
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- how does the election work
- who are the candidates
- how to nominate
- how to vote
- how to decide who to vote for
- who are the current mods
- are moderators paid
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting
- when is the election ending
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are moderation badges
- what are participation badges
- what are editing badges
 
2:45 PM
I think that we can all make jokes about blacks/white/anyone when people have stopped killing each other for "race", religion, other... Before that, it's a bit sensitive, specially on the internet.
 
@electionBot how to vote
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can cast your ballot in order of preference on up to three candidates in the election. If you want to make an informed decision, you can also read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A.
 
@ElectionBot how to decide who to vote for
 
@Techie If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@Machavity But.. the pronunciation isn't even very good :D
 
2:46 PM
lol
they are the same, almost
 
@janw Heh.. you just proved my point :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That will never happen.. in fact we kill each other less now than we ever did before, if I understand correctly.
 
@Scratte I'm a firm believer in assume good faith. If we had people who would stop reading into every little thing said or written we could focus on the real issues people have with one another instead of quibbling about what words are acceptable
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@Scratte agreed. in the meantime, just laugh at the poneys, they're not going to sue you (but Yvette could)
 
@Techie No one help you for choose candidate. It's your decision. Read there previous post and decide your self. It's democracy and no one force you to vote.
 
... but only vote for candidates when you can read their name.
 
2:49 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre But.. reading right side up is just as easy as upside down :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre did someone inform you that an answer you moderated is contested on meta here? I assumed you saw it last night but I'm not sure that is a valid assumption.
 
@rene thanks for the heads up. I have to check this. Done. We need you in the blue room at some point, that's before year 2082.
 
@rene, Should we get out the pitch forks and charge to the defense/attack? (a reference to one of the questionnaire questions)
 
Yes. Always.
 
I don't have a pitchfork. Will an ordinary fork do?
 
2:58 PM
@AdrianMole How many tines?
 
@Scratte Yep, humanity is becoming increasingly sensitive, to a point of absurdity.
 
@AdrianMole no... one must uphold tradition! :p
 
@Nick 2
 
Are you sure it's not a fondue stick?
 
Maybe it's a tuning fork?
 
2:59 PM
Yes, let's downvote something on meta!
 
Is there any campaign room to support candidate ?
 
Not so much a room as a small, padded cell.
 
I think you're typing in it.
 
no candidate has made such a room
that i'm aware of
 
Question is why not ? For all candidate .
 
3:01 PM
generally... there's not much campaigning
 
Candidates campaign in the form of their record and their answers to election questions
 
@Shree Yes. This is the one :) ..I think.
 
If only political candidates were constrained to the same methods...
 
I guess there's the comments on the questionnaire answers....
But that's not really meant for chat.
 
Or, the best kind of support... a vote
 
3:05 PM
Wait for candidate answer before defense :D
 
Campaign rooms... do we need to decrate them with flags and offer small snacks?
Do we need to organize rallies?
 
... would anyone touch a plate of cookies right now?
 
with provided tongs
 
Provided tongs? Surely you should bring your own and sanitize them before and after taking a cookie?
 
@Catija Yes, because nobody else would be
 
3:08 PM
... even if they weren't under a lid?
 
And sanitize the cookie itself, of course
 
Like... the moisture droplets from all the people walking by the table would have landed on all those cookies and - assuming they were properly moist cookies, would allow the virus to thrive for ... hours, at least.
 
...
What kind of cookie
 
@Tschallacka " offer small snacks?" yes you can. They care and love there tags. If you offer some I am not hesitate,
 
HAHAHA
 
3:10 PM
@Nick choco
 
My personal favorites (that I make) are an oatmeal cookie with chocolate chips, pecans and dried cherries.
 
@AnnZen Meh, boring, not worth
 
Has a nice hit of nutmeg.
 
@Catija That sounds more like it!
 
:D
 
3:11 PM
It's means chaho ?
 
@Catija do they have a chance to sit/stay/be stacked for several ours on a table?
 
I always keep cookies in a tub with a lid, so the lid may be toxic but the cookies should be fine.
 
Oh, thought bathtub ...
 
@Catija You like plunging into cookies?
 
She opens the lid with rubber gloves on...
 
3:13 PM
@AnnZen I sure do
 
Think ducktales... but instead of gold, it's cookies
 
Tub ^^^
 
Ahhhh, now I understand Ann's message, I was wondering where the confusion was
 
Those are some HUMONGOUS cookies!
 
That's a Google result... not my cookies.
 
3:15 PM
Why are the top two empty?!?
 
You haven't lived until you've had a cookie the size of your face
 
@Scratte I might have snuck in while the hoomans were distracted...:)
 
@Catija, At that point, I don't think you can call it an 'oatmeal' cookie anymore. It's just a cookie that happens to also have oatmeal in it.
 
Hmm.. you're a sneaky puppy. Now you know you only made it because you're cute. It's very deceptive.. tsk tsk.. no baby bath in the yard for you.
 
3:18 PM
Rene question each and every nomination beside Makyen ? Is this support from his side?
 
Nah, rene just nominated at the same time: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/217027?m=49890990#49890990 >.>
 
It's only natural to question everything that you have questions about. Why question something that you are sure about?
 
@ouflak Well, it does have three cups of oatmeal and only about 3/4 cups of the other three, each, so there's still... more oatmeal? I generally call them my kitchen sink cookies, though.
 
^^^ gotta make sure there's enough in case of another lockdown!
 
3:20 PM
Just to be safe, you should wrap each of those individually..!
 
/me burps - pardon me... - wrap what exactly individually? /me looks innocent...
 
@Catija Well.. I hate to say this, but I'd be reluctant to eat a "kitchen sink cookie"
 
@Scratte Better not, dogs usually don't care to unwrap afterwards :D
 
@Scratte Fine. More for me.
:D
 
@Scratte Maybe you should clean your sink then :p
 
3:24 PM
@Catija May I suggest "Extra Special cookies"? "Kitchen Special cookies"? "Catija's favorite cookies"? "Most awesome cookies"? "World class cookies"? "Best Oatmean Cookies of All Time"?
 
@IanCampbell Thanks for opinion. I partially agree with your opinion. Have you have a chance to see "Hofstede's cultural dimensions theory"? It is quite long and complex, but it resonate my view.
 
@Scratte ... are you familiar with the idiom "everything and the kitchen sink"?
 
everything but the kitchen sink
 
@Catija I think I may have missed that.. perhaps that was a bit obvious too? off to google that
 
@AnnZen Both are used.
 
3:28 PM
I get plenty of results googling everything but the kitchen sink cookies, none for everything and the kitchen sink cookies.
 
Thanks for Wikipedia webpage. It is hard to separate on line and off line...

I partially agree that Moderator is heavily technical, which is neutral to culture. At the same time, I like to see more aspect of candidate if the candidates are willing to share.
 
google is the source of all knowledge
 
Some things are harder to google than others, though.
 
Yes. I've tried to google "What the cutest thing ever" and every time it tells me: Enet4..
 
The first thing that appears when googling "cutest thing ever" is pure nightmare fuel
 
3:31 PM
I guess my google is biased.
 
@Scratte It's getting old now.
 
Guess, which user comes up first when googling "best stack overflow user"
 
Isn't it me?
 
Zoe
@Nick Dunno if we had the same thing, but the first hit in Ecosia is terrifying xd
 
@Nick I've never been described as "pure nightmare fuel" before... :)
 
3:32 PM
Answer: Jon Skeet
 
@AnnZen Strangely, two users I've never heard of.
 
You were second on the list Jon
 
@CloudCho I did peruse the wikipedia article last night, but I will admit I'm not much of a sociologist.
 
@CloudCho you are most welcome, but I'm not sure what the utility of that would be for looking at who to elect as a moderator. It would certainly help one manage one's expectations when visiting the culture, but people are so individually different that it makes little sense to try to estimate individual qualities from the culture, instead we should look at how they act on the site - and as a heuristic, their actual reputations may satisfice.
 
Zoe
3:36 PM
Lmao, Ecosia got close on the best SO user one
 
The correct answer is Prix. 100% accepted answers
 
@E_net4trustsnobots I'm sorry.. it's still my opinion though. I may order the fluffy toy :)
 
@Machavity Must have lots of socks /s
 
@Scratte My results.
 
3:37 PM
@Machavity is that weighted?
 
As for best user, I got Gordon Linoff
 
:-)
 
Zoe
Gotta love Google's filter bubble :')
 
:-(
Curses Zoe
 
Zoe
3:38 PM
What?
 
@Nick Gotta say Gordon Linoff. If you merely say gordon I think of this user (former mod)
 
@Zoe Got in the way of the smiley chain
 
Zoe
oh xd
 
@Zoe Nice.. one have to transcribe the numbers from yours :D
 
@Machavity Done (also their surname is Linoff? I clearly can't read because every single time I've read it before I've read Lindoff)
 
3:40 PM
@Nick yes
 
@Nick It is. He's only outshone by Jon Skeet
 
archnemesis to Gordon Linon
 
@Machavity Sure they never deleted any?
 
Zoe
@Machavity barely though. Gordon is rising faster in rep than Jon IIRC
 
No, I know who they are xd, I've seen them in the list several times, I've just misread their surname every single time
 
3:42 PM
@Zoe Indeed, Gordon answers far more frequently than Jon does at this point.
 
@Machavity I've only once answered a SQL question after Gordon.. and got an accept. It's the only thing that keeps me going in that tag :D
 
He's averaging over 500 rep. per day. Only lots of (accepted) answers can do that.
 
that's a lot of dupes
 
@AdrianMole bounties contribute
 
Zoe
or bounties
 
3:44 PM
@AdrianMole Well.... bounties can too
 
Bounties coming in so often seems unlikely.
 
@Machavity Strange how I don't run into Jon Skeet answering questions. I often run into Barmar (also in the top user list).
 
@AnnZen How much do you hang around C#
 
Much of Jon Skeet's daily rep comes from votes on old posts.
 
@AnnZen Yeah, Barmar is more ubiquitous. My top answer on Politics was asked by him
 
3:45 PM
@AdrianMole there are always at least a dozen or so questions with an active bounty on them, Gordon probably answers those rather than getting bounties awarded ex post facto
 
Zoe
Jon has a few answers around Java to
 
> Posts 10,481
just a few
 
Zoe
Yeah, with 10k posts, there's a lot of surface area for bounties and votes
 
That's because Java is just the bad version of C# :p
 
Jon Skeet even answered a PHP question. Someone asked him why in a comment and I was like "Because he wants a gold badge in every language. Duh". Super-hammer
 
Zoe
3:46 PM
@Nick I think you mean Java and C# are bad versions of C++ :P
 
@Machavity Ah yes, the super hammer. 1000 score in 200 answers or 100000 score in at least 1 answer :-)
 
I happen to like Java...
 
@Zoe Everything is really just a poor adaptation of Lisp
 
@Tschallacka I like lots of things that are bad
 
@Tschallacka There is a support group for us. We do not speak of it in public.. so shush :)
 
3:49 PM
xD
 
Zoe
@AndrewMyers Excuse me, w(((((ha))(((((t)(((d)(((id)))))))))((((y((ou)))j((((us((((t))))))))))s(((((((a))))))))y()()())))?
 
@Zoe compile error: missing bracket at line 0
 
Zoe
there it is :D
 
hey, the princess is saved
 
3:51 PM
Although nobody has any idea how, and probably doesn't want to touch the implementation anymore
 
The worst thing about Zoe's message is that the brackets were actually balanced...
 
if it aint broke, dont fix it
 
Zoe
@Nick well, yeah
 
@Nick I don't know what to say about that... should I worry about @Zoe typing out balancing brackets, or worry about you who actually checked it?
But then again, it's been repeatedly said everyone here has a level of insanity
 
Zoe
there is indeed a level of insanity :GWChadThinkEyes:
It's healthy :p
 
3:56 PM
Poor Jon. So many upvotes that didn't add to his rep.
 
Zoe
So?
Not everyone is motivated by an arbitrary point system
 
Someone should make a sede query of his "actual rep" if all votes were to count
 
Zoe
@Tschallacka that already exists :)
 
it probably already exists
 
That's like saying poor rich people who only earn $1 million a day instead of potentially $5 million a day :-)
 
3:58 PM
Says the "top 2% overall" user =P
 
@Zoe Where?
 
Zoe
Thought there was a second one somewhere, or at least a SEDE link
 
@Tschallacka Not true. I'm sane all the way. Rephrase: I'm perfectly sane. Not insane in any way :)
 
"I'm sane all the way." ?!?
 
Zoe
mehh, the query is broken
 
4:02 PM
@Scratte Can you prove you "Aced" your cognitive tests?
 
@Scratte Definitely sounds like something a sane user would say.
 
@Tschallacka I clubbed mine
 
@Tschallacka Can you prove I didn't? :D
I think it's funny that the election gives out two badges for participation. The differences in commitments and work effort for badges are just insane.
 
> I'm a very stable genius, my mother had me tested. - youtube.com/watch?v=mr6XHJ7qcSE
 
Hmm.. I so agree with everything he just said.
 
4:11 PM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the election phase. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
4:31 PM
@Scratte That is true. I too wish Thomas Jefferson could use words alone to abolish slavery, instead of removing the part explaining why slavery should be abolished from the Declaration of Independence. I don't want to fight entrenched forces who believe that private spaces for people to connect with each other as humans, not wiki users, won't work.
They said it is "very dangerous to keep a small number of people in private rooms." They said that "never works."
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I think they are not comfortable with private rooms because some public rooms already did not work very well.
 
this was "closed for typos" but the user put stuff between the if and the elif. To a beginner, this is a legitimate technical question.
With some editing and a good title, this could be a useful question and answer for complete newcomers.
 
are u guys using dark mode?
 
Zoe
Nope :')
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ mmmm... I don't think it's a good question. There's a typo on the first line that would give a syntax error before the if/elif issue.
 
4:40 PM
@AaronHall Hmmm, I'll edit that one out, thanks for pointing it out
 
yes me too, it hurts my eyes trying to answer in dark mode
lol
 
Beginners mistakes so obvious to us you can't think of making them, but people do make them, and they legitimately can't figure it out-- we see them and immediately think typographical error, since that's when we'd make them, but from my experience helping a Python beginner last week with a try-except statement, that's not how they think.
One could imagine people discussing the feature of having out-dented blocks run regardless of whether the if condition passes
 
Anecdotally, many power users prefer dark-mode because they look at the screen all day and the bright scheme tires the eyes. So you get greater engagement when you create a dark mode option for your site.
 
@AnnZen reconsider your close vote?
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ give a link to it
 
4:45 PM
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Q: "SyntaxError: invalid syntax" on properly indented if and elif block

luckyjdI was trying to make a simple RLE compressor in python but when I tested it out it gave me a syntax error. I have looked through many posts and rechecked my code for incorrect usage and wrong indentation but it all seems fine. I am using python 3.6.8 and it's in a file rather than the shell. The ...

 
Zoe
Even if it wasn't a typo, it's missing an MCVE
 
@Zoe Good point, I'll make it one
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ have you seen this post I wrote for Software Engineering? softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7947/…
 
@AaronHall I just read it, and I largely agree with it.
I just "mercilessly edit"ed that question
It has an MCVE that's easy for beginners to understand-- the if and elif and elif blocks are all different, it doesn't use the syntactic construct pass which is rarely taught early on to beginners.
 
Does serial downvoting on meta posts get reversed?
 
4:56 PM
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ well... I was going to make the point that the post may be too far gone to make it worthwhile, but give it some effort and we'll see what happens...
2
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ The previous code was also easy to understand. When you changed the code in question, you should adjust the code in the answers too. When cleaning stuff up, please remember to delete any unnecessary comments. (I've done it for you here already)
 
@Dharman I don't see how you've changed the post-- maybe they haven't saved yet?
 
I removed comment, I didn't edit the post.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the election phase. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
@AnnZen I guess so but we have no easy way to check, if at all.
 
5:01 PM
votes for no more hourly bot notices
 
This is not an election ... wait ...
 
@rene Is there an official post that states meta serial voting is violating the rules?
 
I don't think the rules on serial voting apply to Meta. There's no rep involved
 
@AnnZen it is assumed?
@Machavity technically there is. You also earn the rep badges
 
@AnnZen user targeting is not allowed regardless of where it happens.
 
5:05 PM
@Machavity That is like the system assumes everyone only cares about rep :/
 
@Machavity Serial voting is not about the reputation. It's user-targetting to cause emotional harm and is not allowed
Unless you are thinking about sock-puppets and voting fraud
... which is also not allowed
 
@AnnZen I've found one post that confirms that reversals take place: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/150180/…
 
@gnat Question is probably a better idea (haven't been in Tavern for a while but other chats are having similar problems due to lose members so that makes sense)
@AnnZen If its proven to be serial voting it should - just custom flag something if you think and it will be added to the long queue. Note, on meta downvote can just mean I disagree with you so sometimes you just have a group that doesn't agree with your point of view (i.e. its not serial just sometimes people disagree - like on WorldBuilding's meta I know there was one person who downvoted me and I downvoted them a good percentage of the time because we just didn't agree on policy)
we both upvoted each other's answers on main though (assuming they were good) whereas serial downvoters usually follow you to main and downvote your Q&A's there too
 
5:20 PM
@LinkBerest One of reasons one may choose to serial vote in meta is because they think it's safer than main.
 
Zoe
... or you just stop worrying about serial votes and keep in mind that people who actually abuse the system will eventually get what they deserve
 
Besides, if you want strange voting patterns... this user wins
 
Zoe
> 112,803 up
 
0 down
 
Zoe
That's 40 votes per day for 2820 days
 
5:23 PM
@Machavity I've seem them in a post that wants to encourage downvoting.
 
Zoe
So every day for over 7 years xd
 
Albeit not that many upvotes
 
@AnnZen yes, but if a person is just downvoting everything they disagree with on meta (only) then how do you distinguish this from serial downvoting? Answer you really cannot - might get a mod to at least contact them though if they are only downvoting a specific person (or known troll or etc...) either way only thing to do is flag and wait
 
Zoe
@Machavity Upvote ratio is one thing, but how on earth do you find 40 posts to upvote per day for over 7 years?
 
IKR
 
5:27 PM
and there are a lot of people who do not downvote answers on main because they fear that negative rep (look at my rep - it would be a lot higher if I didn't downvote & other sites, cough MSO, are even worse for me) which again may or may not point to serial downvoting on metas
 
I have a relentless serial downvoter on main...
 
@Zoe Easy, really.. there are users that leaves awesome posts. They are not hard to find.
 
Zoe
Sure, but if you actively seek out stuff purely to upvote it, that's arguably targeted voting
 
@Zoe Not unless I actively seek out the users and go through their posts.
But I do have a few favorite users.. I read their posts, but I refrain from voting on them. I learn something new every time though.
 
@Dharman You really need to ask this guy to chime in on your Meta about downvoting. Serious dedication there
 
5:33 PM
@AnnZen maybe it's not just one downvoter. It may be reverted tomorrow if it's the same person.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre No, it's at least 2 sock-puppets
 
Different users does not mean different person ;)
 
@Machavity only gnat has more total votes than that user. Impressive.
 
problem is (sorry Ann): 1) Ann answers A LOT of questions and 2) Ann answers A LOT of bad questions. So she gets downvotes from regulars.
I can't give names, but some downvoters we have in common :)
 
heh ^ this is why I have 1k rep but 600 helpful flags (its just hard to find a good question in Python tag)
 
5:39 PM
in 2020 it's very difficult to answer python questions without them being duplicates.
 
Zoe
trust me, it's not exclusively a Python issue :')
 
@LinkBerest Python users on SO are especially notorious for encouraging off-topic questions as well
 
not the ones where you can just spit out a oneliner and expect 45 votes, no, not anymore.
 
FWIW, every tag has some version of that. I remember starting in the PHP tag and it was almost literally like this
 
Zoe
Question quality has been dropping for a decade or so in general
 
5:40 PM
@Machavity lol
 
You should avoid mysqli too
 
@Zoe hmm, we should see what changed a decade ago and undo that
:-)
 
Zoe
or, you know, add a proper tutorial :')
 
@TylerH yep, its an old problem (been here at some level since I started) but as the site grows the problem grows faster
everything that I've seen work on the smaller beta's just don't seem to scale for SO
and yes, I see it in all the tags I watch (I just watch Python the most)
 
few actually use tutorials, I don't know if this is a thing but i think i'd be more valuable to have easier access to a question or answer's chat room so users can have more discussions about what is and isnt good to post
 
Zoe
5:46 PM
eh, not necessarily a tutorial, just something, whatever it may be, to help answerers and askers make it on SO
 
i posted an answer in the parenting stack and some power user comes in and starts saying my answer is a rant and im down voting you, and when i ask them to say WHY its a rant, we go back and forth for a bit, and when people start upvoting my comments and not hers she just deletes all the comments and leaves.
and i still don't have any reasons WHY she downvoted me
in conclusion, give us easy access to chat rooms, if that's a thing mods can do
 
Zoe
the mentorship program apparently didn't scale though
that's kinda the problem with pretty much everything - good ideas don't work purely because of volume
 
@Hatman Some users just take the site really really REALLY seriously
 
Hors Catégorie
 
oh... good ol' YCS
 
5:56 PM
"I am a sinner who spoils other people's game" @Machavity you should have stolen this guy's quote for your Why Not Me blurb
 
Say what you want but this is my favourite contributor here. I understand that they caused a lot of problems in the past and they have a harsh temperament, but their posts are the best I have read and one of the reasons that attracted me to Stack Overflow
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