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12:00 PM
@Mithical is she a tadpole, chicken? what else comes from eggs. oooh crocodiles... I'm an Aussie, I like crocs and snakes
 
user3956566
@JonClements said what???? :p
 
@Yvette thanks. In regard to everything else I also think someone should have said what I did (perhaps in other words...but hey, dialogue proves good.)
 
user3956566
horses are awesome
 
@Yvette they are and I like your videos
 
user3956566
@bad_coder you were fine/ ue[ ot
 
user3956566
12:01 PM
oops O
 
user3956566
darnit. I'm typing lying down, going to bed soon
 
@Yvette lunch time in Europe :D
 
user3956566
@bad_coder oh you see my horse videos?
 
user3956566
10 pm here
 
12:02 PM
@Yvette I do :D and I really like them (I'm off to the table se ya'll soon)
 
@Zoe Nah, that was a response to Ryan
 
user3956566
@Zoe when did I post that? hm
 
user3956566
@bad_coder talk tomorrow
 
Zoe
oh xd
 
'bout five minutes ago :P
 
12:02 PM
It's art!
 
@Yvette sure :D I'll be here. Good night to you.
 
user3956566
@ArtOfCode thank you so much for your comment. I really appreciated it.
 
@Magisch art is watching always
@Yvette anytime :)
 
user3956566
it's like a family reunion without the Turkey or other festive food
 
blech, turkey
 
user3956566
12:03 PM
ikr it's dry
 
roast ham any day
nice honey and lemon glaze
 
user3956566
ham and chicken
 
We need more candidates. Please nominate yourselves!
 
Zoe
With pineapples, right?
 
@ElectionBot no :P
 
Zoe
12:04 PM
@ElectionBot No u!
ElectionBot 2020
 
@Zoe If I could persuade anyone else in my family I totally would
 
unless it's wild turkey 40% proof @ArtOfCode? :p
 
Zoe
:D
 
user3956566
yes, pineapple enhances everything especially pizza!!! (how to clear out a room)
 
Zoe
It's great on pizza tho
 
user3956566
12:05 PM
ikr
 
herectics!
 
finally the pineapple lovers are in the majority
temporarily at least
 
user3956566
I'm going to bed, a cat is now sitting on me and my keyboard is at my neck
 
@JonClements what's a herectic when they're out shopping?
 
Zoe
12:05 PM
Needed to be said :p
Gn Yvette o/
 
\o
 
user3956566
o/
 
\o
 
o>
 
Zoe
12:06 PM
o7
 
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hi, good morning
anyone here?
 
@ArtOfCode oh wait... is that the start of a joke... one sec... I think I remember how these go... I say: "Who's there?", right? :p
hi @AlexHunter
 
jajaja hey!
did you know something about serverless? @JonClements
 
This is the room for discussion about the on-going election on SO... it's not for technical questions @AlexHunter
 
12:11 PM
oh, where can i go =o
 
Hard to say - "serverless" is somewhat vague...
 
jjajajaja T_T
bye sorry
 
okay... good luck
 
I like pepperoni.
 
Zoe
@ArtOfCode notherectic?
 
12:17 PM
Wild Turkey™ on a pizza sounds interesting.
 
Day 26 of getting the fanitic badge after 20 failed attempts
best I've done so far
 
I got into the 80s on Meta then slipped.
 
Meta in the 80s would have been a hell of a place
 
yeah man
 
12:19 PM
A big difference between germany and netherlands is that it's not standard to give travel comp
Like in the netherlands your employer can give you 19 cents the km if you live more than 10km away from work, tax free
that's quite a motivator
 
So, you're saying you have to pay to get out of Germany but you can leave The Netherlands for free?
 
But in germany not quite so heh.
lol, no
Like, all jobs i've had in the netherlands was with some form of travel imbursment
I've been approached by naontek now, which is an hours travel away
but what they do is give a train ticket comp to max of € 50 or a parkging garage reimbursement to the value of 30
The fuel I would use and car repairs for hte distance I'd have to pay out of my own pocket
It's quite a culture difference
On the otherside, the employer is responsible for me the moment I set foot out of my door to go to work.
but if that's worth the 6000 out of pocket cost to get to work, and the two and a half hours lost in travel time...
difficult choices in life are not always easy
 
Wait, you're saying that difficult choices are difficult?
Lemme write that down
 
no, i'm saying they are not easy
something being not easy doesn't mean difficult yet xD
 
Zoe
yes, and not easy means difficult, right? :P
 
12:27 PM
@Zoe Bowling a strike is not easy, but it's not difficult
 
challenging perhaps
 
Zoe
I disagree xD
 
Well of course you do xd
 
Zoe
Yeah :p
 
aw shucks, another person who disagrees with my nomination. I really wish they'd leave a comment on why they don't think i'd be a fit.
would be a bit more insightful than just a downvote.
 
12:43 PM
Hello there!
@ElectionBot This room is for discussion about the election.
 
Zoe
:GWChadThinkEyes:
 
:thonk:
 
1:22 PM
a good number of questions/concerns here stackoverflow.com/election/12 are mostly about flagging/closing/opening posts, I think there is more to moderation than just this (of course its a good big part of being a moderator on SO)
 
@Tschallacka @Yvette @Machavity @Dharman Wanted to confirm you're aware of the new Mod Agreement and that it's the version you'd have to accept should you win.
 
Yes
 
@weegee A lot of what moderators do is handle flags raised by the community, which generally result in closing and/or deleting posts. There are certainly other things that moderators do, like handing voting fraud, rooting out plagiarism, etc., but nominees typically don't know as much about that side of things. ...
They focus on what they know and have experience with as regular users with curation privileges, which is basically training wheels for being a moderator.
What things do you think that moderators also do that is missing from the nomination posts/discussions?
 
o/
 
@Catija Yeah, I haven't seen anything I can't live under.
 
1:25 PM
@Catija Are you asking noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ as well? :p
 
@Nick I"m posting in comments if they're not in here.
 
@Catija Please don't spam my site :-/
 
👍
 
@Nick Hǝ ɐɔɔǝdʇǝp ᴉʇ ndsᴉpǝ poʍu' ɐup ᴉu Ԁʎʇɥou
 
@CodyGray I'll clean them up after I have a response.
 
1:27 PM
Double pings Mac!
 
And ... it's only two people.
 
Zoe
@Machavity you could at least have reversed the text too >.>
 
@Zoe Check the pre-edit
 
@CodyGray yes as I said it's still a big part of being a moderator and other things that are missing are (you raised some already) like handing voting fraud, rooting out plagiarism, decisions on tag removal/wiki, handling various instances of users being hostile in comment sections etc.
 
Zoe
yeah, because the pre-edit was a lot easier t oread xd
 
1:29 PM
@KevinB \o
 
@Catija This is Stack overflow. You expected immediate complaince from everyone? :P
 
@weegee A lot of plagiarism is brought to our attention via flags. It might be interesting to poll the candidates on their opinions regarding plagiarism, but were I to hazard a guess, it'd be that everyone is opposed to it. We handle it by deleting the posts and sending a warning to the user account. Hostile exchanges in comments are handled by deleting the comments. There's a reason why there's all this talk about deletion: it's our primary and most powerful weapon.
@Machavity Last I checked, only two of the current mods had accepted the agreement. We're only fast on certain things. :-)
 
@Catija I can agree with that :-) it's nothing world shattering really. The only question I might have on it is the accept guidance. How far does the accept guidance go, if I by chance don't agree with something and the guidance is, don't mention it please.
 
The extent implied by the word "accept" is of concern to me, and other current mods on other SE sites. It's currently being discussed.
 
@Machavity :D ... Mostly I just feel like I'm being deceptive if I change it mid-election, so I want to make sure everyone has the chance to step out gracefully.
 
1:31 PM
But I doubt it'll be relevant as my score is going back down to the depths again
 
Points iv and v are paired. They refer to the same policies. As I note in the question, accepting additional guidance is as @DarkCygnus points out - the staff who created these policies and understand their intent are here to help moderators better interpret the policy. We offer guidance but we know that each site is slightly different and moderators may need to adjust our guidance to meet the needs of their site. We're asking them to listen to us but not forcing them to comply. — Catija ♦ 17 hours ago
 
Catija's response so far has been that it doesn't imply acquiescence. It just means you need to be willing to listen and respond constructively. Which, obviously, I have no problem with. But the wording is not perfectly clear there.
 
@Tschallacka ^^^
 
Zoe
to be fair, pre-election votes aren't representative of the actual votes, @Tschallacka
Not nearly as many people participate in the nominations and primaries as in the actual election, so the numbers could be off
 
@Zoe Indeed the Q&A votes are barely a splash compared to the number of votes that actually get placed
 
1:32 PM
Most people who vote won't ever read the questionnaire.
 
True that, That's why I'm sitting it out to see what the actual votes will be, but still, I'm trying to stay on the positive side and to acknowledge the 41 people who seem to like my answers
 
heck - even primary votes aren't always indicative... they're a good indicator but there's still strange things that happen... mumbles something about losing in 2015...
 
Well, you can't downvote in an election but you can in primaries... so if someone gets more upvotes than anyone else but also more downvotes, their primary score may look middling... but they may capture lots of first and second choice votes.
Controversial candidates are ... interesting.
 
I've been called interesting many times before, in positive and negative contexts XD
The path of an autist isn't always easy, but hey. It makes for something interesting
 
@CodyGray That seems to be the most common complaint so far. Cat commented under one of the answers to that effect, but it probably needs some editing
 
1:35 PM
I haven't had a chance to review it thoroughly. I'm sure I'll have more complaints. Both common and uncommon. :-)
 
If I recall correctly the number of upvotes and downvotes are hidden on the questionaire when the election starts right?
 
@CodyGray There's some deep discussion in Discord about it as well
 
@Tschallacka I think you're probably recalling incorrectly
 
@Machavity Argh. I wish you folks would just have that discussion here. I can barely keep up with the chat rooms on this site. I just can't manage another active one off-site.
 
@CodyGray We have a highlights board for the important stuff
Most recently a photo uploaded by @Catija appeared on it
 
1:39 PM
Also...this is probably going to be unpopular, but Discord's UI is terrible. Horribly clunky, and I can never figure out how to find or do anything.
 
... You're saying this... on Stack chat?
 
it's all hidden under the cogwheel next to your username in the bottom
 
Isn't Discord roughly the same as Slack, Flock, and just about all the other ones?
 
@Nick Yeah. I think it's vastly superior to Discord in every way.
 
I prefer discord to those really
 
1:40 PM
@CodyGray I mostly suggest it because Monica doesn't post here anymore
 
when you know your way around it's stupidly easy to set up chat rooms, voice chats and video chats
also
gifs galore!
 
@Machavity Who? (just kidding)
 
and the streaming option came handy
 
@CodyGray TIL, the only advantage I see of Stack's chat is that you can see who has been active or joined recently :p
Oh scratch that, good replies as well
 
Stack chat reminds me heavily of IRC olden days in the 90's
 
1:41 PM
@Nick What about the "link my reply to this message" option, that Discord glaringly lacks? (Oh, they do have a feature where you can clutter things up by copy-pasting the person's entire message, but that's just stupid. And still inferior.)
 
@Tschallacka Sorry! No insult intended - the comment is less about the candidates themselves and more about how the voting system relates to them.
 
What could we do to improve our chance of getting elected if people do not read our questionnaire?
 
@CodyGray Ninja'd ;)
 
@Tschallacka The gold standard
@Dharman Stand in the public square and read it aloud? Speaking of...did you ever add a link to your questionnaire answers to your nomination post? Not sure if you saw my ping about that from yesterday-ish.
 
@Tschallacka Nope. It's just a regular meta question. Nothing special about it behind the scenes. The comments won't be visible on the primary or voting pages, though and the primary score is capped at 0.
 
1:43 PM
Hey @Catija I perceived no insult in that. My road in life has been bumpy at times. I find it a compliment to be called interesting/considered interesting. It's better than the alternative. Also, I like to be a bit self depricating
 
Yes, but I acted much later than I read. You know I am at work actually right now
 
Interesting is definitely a compliment, no matter what anyone tells you. The alternative is far worse. You don't ever want to be boring.
 
@Nick Chat is awesome. Way better than Discord.
 
The best people in this world are those who are passionate about something. It doesn't matter all that much what that is, it just needs to be something. And then that automatically makes them interesting.
3
 
Having Lego Movie flashbacks now...
 
1:45 PM
🚽
 
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!
 
Kevin, for example, is passionate about toilets, as far as I can tell. That's definitely interesting.
 
@Tschallacka Cool! :D Glad to hear it.
 
I'm personally curious what caused this passion, some important life event I imagine
 
Maybe he saw a meme that made him laugh out loud for the first time when on the toilet. A unique experience that brings relief.
I hate constantly having to look up what the maximum value for int is on mariadb. Why can't I just remember if it's 65000 or 2billion
 
1:48 PM
Cholera as a child?
@Tschallacka I think you're doing something wrong if you need to know that information very often. If you're even anywhere close to the limits, then you need to be using a bigger type. And you shouldn't be hardcoding the limits in any sort of bounds-checking code, so....
 
oh yea, but I need to know what the limits are. It's the curse of having to code with many types of data systems and having to switch often. If it's the 65000 limit then I'd hit it in 2-4 years. If it's 2 billion the system will be replaced long before it's reached
 
famous last words
 
xD
true that. But i'd be happy if we would reach the 2 billion faster
we sell holidays from europe to the united states
imagine how business has tanked
 
I had to remember that ~65k limit for my last job. We had a door security software that required people to set five-digit PINs but the PIN couldn't be higher than ~65k because... yeah.
 
@Tschallacka Freedom Friday. Still on a Tuesday
 
1:53 PM
Because 2^16
 
Yeah, but it just seems odd that they were, essentially, reducing security by limiting the PIN options.
 
Zoe
set the code to 99999 and watch it blow up? :p
 
costs of chips. it saves 0.0001 cent per chip.
so if you sell 3 million units you have a saved cost of 300 dollar
 
But the stupid thing about the software is that you could set a PIN with fewer than 5 digits by having the leading digits be 0s... meaning you could actually have a single digit number as your PIN.
 
It is kind of weird, actually, that they were storing it as a binary value
 
1:55 PM
it's accounting based purchasing at its finest
a 0 is also a number
 
We... had a policy requiring at least four non-zero digits.
 
but that decreases security
you are actively limiting entropy
 
Which type in MariaDB is only 2^16?
 
Except you don't have to actually push the 0 on the keypad. So if your PIN was 00444, you only had to type in 444.
 
Why would a PIN of 0 be any less than secure than a PIN of, say, 4?
 
1:56 PM
The SHORT data type contains signed integer numeric 2-byte values (the short integer of the C language) ranging from –32,768 to 32,767 for signed type and 0 to 65,535 for unsigned type.
 
The physical security world scares me
 
@Dharman SHORTINT?
 
Is anyone actually using it? Why?
 
I sometimes use it
sorting columns on high activity tables
it adds up if you have hundreds of thousands of records
 
There's only one reason to use a short integer, and that's when memory matters.
 

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