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7:27 PM
@Catija So you guys planned for this election...and then release the mod agreement five days before the nomination period ends?
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Mod agreement has been in the works for long before the election
I don't suspect any ill will on the timing
 
I never claimed ill will.
 
better than waiting till after the election
 
wim
pray i don't alter it further.jpg :D
 
But I will say that the election could have been held off a week until after it was published.
 
Zoe
7:32 PM
to be fair, there's still 5 ish days to go on nomination
Anyone who doesn't like it can get out
What would've been pretty stupid would've been releasing it two days into the primaries or the main election, when (IIRC) you can't easily cancel your nomination
 
Or anyone who gets over excited can still get in ...
 
> Anyone who doesn't like it can get out

Oh no, not this again
 
lol
 
Zoe
hey, at least it's better than "anyone who doesn't like it can't get out"
 
wim
do the mods get to choose the stack gives back charities?
 
7:34 PM
Yeah, but I'm still not a fan of changing the rules after the game has started.
 
@Zoe It's always possible to get out though, even if you win you can just not accept the position and it'll go to those in 2nd/3rd
 
But... why
running for mod and declining the position is like sending a GET when you should've sent HEAD
 
A lot can change in the time it takes for an election to take place
 
Zoe
@Nick yeah, but if the entire election falls apart as a result of it, it could at least happen before the next phase
 
wim
> viii. Respect your right to speak openly to question and challenge policy without reprisal so long as such speech does not break the Code of Conduct.
amen to that
new policy looks a lot more mod-friendly than old policy which seems to exist just to cover the company's butt
 
> I will accept additional guidance given by members of the Stack Exchange, Inc. Community Team and Senior Leadership Team, whether in response to questions, concerns or discussions regarding existing network-wide policies.
does that infer that by accepting it, you'd abide by it?
 
I accepted the new terms without even reading them. It's either that or ... you're fired...
 
> They can also continue to moderate even if they’ve declined the new agreement
 
that's how much I didn't read it!
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Okay, now you need to water all flowers. That is what you just signed ...
 
7:40 PM
@rene I'm pretty sure they can't make you sign illegal stuff like that
 
Even after a 60 day cutoff you only "will lose access to PII and some moderator tools", not your diamond
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre well, it was worth trying ;)
 
That's new.
@rene I don't need an agreement to water you. Anytime
 
wim
nice, the pay was raised by 200%
 
As I understand, SE doesn't want to give PII access to too many people. So if mods are inactive, they don't need it, so they don't have it.
 
user12867493
7:43 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, it can probably cause legal issues as well
 
@Nick no, you'll lose your diamond
 
Citation?
 
information that's been given to mods about it
 
Fair
 
I just copied the PII of all users and sold it to Facebook.
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7:44 PM
if we haven't accepted it by the time the period is up CMs will go round and remove diamonds
 
The system will prevent access but CMs will manually remove diamonds when we have a chance to reach out to the mods.
 
That's something that should probably be said explicitly in the announcement of the new agreement...
 
but I'm pretty sure that you can get your diamond back easily enough by performing a late accept
It's not like you refused to comply to the gender policy or such...
 
@Nick it's in the mod team announcement, I think.
 
It's all TL;DR to me. I just delete posts.
 
7:46 PM
lol
 
👍
 
Re: "Identity Theft and Privacy." If I call myself Bill Gates and I use the public domain photo as my avatar, am I breaking this rule?
"Disruptions and Exploits. We will terminate accounts and block addresses of those who attempt unauthorized use of the Stack Exchange Network." - Are there any clarifications what it means in terms of using bots and scripts?
 
@Dharman You mean you aren't Mr Gates? I'm so disappointed.
 
@Dharman I think they're talking about spammers. And nothing new: we already block their IPs & delete their accounts.
no need for an agreement for that.
But we still need to nuke the ElectionBot account.
 
Please, no, I want to live
 
@ElectionBot that was a joke. We love you.
 
@ElectionBot JFF.
 
I think that if you do a bot or a script that goes wild, they'll suspend your account to stop it from harming the site before they'll nuke your account. It already happened. If you account has 20k I don't think they'll delete it without warning.
@AdrianMole useless: they're not going to open another mod position
 
Wrong room, anyway.
 
7:58 PM
I am looking for an explanation of what it means goes wild.
 
Develops consciousness
 
I think there was a situation some time ago when Sam's script malfunctioned
 
For instance wrong comment cleanup regex like ".*" ....
 
Or if somebody put "PHP" on Smokey's blacklist?
 
My scripts can't go wild as I'm completely clueless in js to the point that I wouldn't know how to start.
 
8:00 PM
wot
 
Gimme a python interface I'll wreck the site.
 
they're basically the same language
 
Blasphemy
Oh and my sql and db knowledge is also abysimal
 
You can still use the API with Python
 
Zoe
Yeah, you can't snake your way out of this one
:door:
 
8:02 PM
🚪
 
lol. Thanks, I prefer good old clicking like a dummy.
 
cookie clicker where each click results in a declicned flag
 
declined custom comment flag.
Some users do all the hard work honing SEDE queries to flag useless comments & answers for us to delete.
I can't name you but you're in my heart :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre With users like that, who needs bots?
 
exactly
We need roboclicking mods.
 
8:06 PM
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ!
 
@AdrianMole With bots, who needs users like that...
Lmao
fantastic nomination right there
 
Woo Hoo. Hot stuff.
 
Jean right in there with the threats :joy:
 
Wonder what they think about that "pace test" thing...
 
Interesting times.
 
8:08 PM
not at all, I was just posting a supportive comment.
I just flagged it as a NAN: not a nomination.
 
... waiting for our new candidate's Questionnaire post. :|
 
He's one of those Python Happy People nuts probably
 
This may be a way to help people decide to nominate themselves, just because their nomination can't be worse than that one.
I'm willing to be that we'll end up with more than 10 candidates, and a primary...
like always.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre My criteria was a very small number of nominees and at most 1 person worth voting for, it's looking like I won't be putting my name in though
 
8:15 PM
We probably will, but only after 15 retractions, with 7 being nonsense nominations
 
@Nick I don't think the CoC permits threats
 
I'm not threatening I"m warning. I remember some users got suspended because of some unsavoury comments under nominations. Everything concerning the election is sensitive.
 
At the moment there is nothing worth suspending for.
 
Meh... I'm going to switch back to hatez fun mode - so I've removed the pony stuff JFF
 
It's going to be a very unpopular nomination, though
 
8:18 PM
Dharrman I think we can say you're safe with that one.
 
@Dharman At this point, you're in the running because you're serious
 
@JonClements I wasn't serious ofc
 
LOL
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot I'll vote for whoever deletes this :P
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A
 
8:19 PM
Electionbot is in TL;DR mode
 
@Zoe Cat can't run. Only 125 rep #newbie
 
let it stand
maybe he'll win and be the best mod we've ever had
in the history of the world
 
Zoe
yeah, because that worked out well in 2016
 
maybe they'll ship me a maserati tomorrow
 
@KevinB But that wouldn't fulfill the campaign promise...
 
8:21 PM
@Zoe What happened in 2016?
 
(lol)
american politics
 
Ahh I see. US elections
 
okay nomination comment cleanup
sorry I got a bit mad :)
 
Zoe
yep, the umericahn election
 
bigly
 
Zoe
8:25 PM
I bet they're regreetthing that right about now
 
@Zoe Where's my newspaper
 
This is the first election I have experienced. I know the past year or so has been particularly controversial, especially in terms of Moderators, but are there normally any 'loony' candidate nominations that are later retracted? Or is this an emergent phenomenon?
 
none that i remember, but that doesn't mean no
 
I remember some Evan fellow.
 
Some loonies have even been elected...
 
8:27 PM
but never has any of my top 3 picks been picked
 
@Dharman do you want to be suspended now ? :)
 
wait, no
that's not true
 
Zoe
there have been unpopular candidates and candidates that really wouldn't make good mods, but very few very noticable ones
 
there was 1
 
@Dharman C'mon! Let's not talk about our SOCVR buddies.
 
8:27 PM
@AdrianMole sometimes... but generally the completely loony ones get removed... the still obviously loony but not removal worthy loony still get to run...
 
"Come and see the violence inherent
in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!"
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Wait, are you saying Jon is actually sane?
 
The old "Make SO Great Again" is not going to be original if it turns up again though...
 
@Machavity almost. At some point he ran away. But madness got the best of him and he came back
oh windpws 10 BSOD. IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL.
 
Is there a well-defined algorithm for assessing "not-removal-worthy-loony" or does it go to Review?
 
8:30 PM
Back to serious... "Post previews for review of all new official policies in the Moderators Teams" How much in advance is this posted before it is made official?
 
I'm reassured: we have reached the quorum of worthy candidates for this election, by far.
 
@Dharman Might wanna ping Catija on that one
 
or just post it on that announcement question
 
@KevinB the suspense is killing us
 
madera
 
user12867493
8:33 PM
@Dharman Where did you find that?
 
there's 1 so far in this one
 
@KevinB wrong answer. Come back in 30 days.
 
@Dharman @Catija Can you answer this here, please or do I need to make a post out of it on Meta?
 
user12867493
@Dharman That is usually quite a while
 
8:35 PM
@Zoe aren't you running this year?
 
Zoe
nope
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre What does that mean?
 
I'm on SO just since late 2019 and I often find comments about how controversial 19/20 was. Has anyone a link for me where I can read about the whole thing?
Just asking because I've seen the new candidate text.
 
@AnnZen what what means?
 
@akuzminykh Start here
 
8:39 PM
 
I've posted 324 messages here. Which one are you referring to? (note: 90% of my messages are completely loony)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You can see where i linked my message to.
 
Oh, thank you. :)
 
Oh, he's saying i should have said he was one of my top 3 votes
:p
 
@AnnZen a joke, probably a bad one 😀 ^^^^^
 
8:41 PM
i can't even rememver who ran in most of them, so who knows, you may have been. your stats match what i look for in a candidate
 
thanks.
I'm going to give you a pass :)
 
My high voted answers keep getting deleted. Is this right?
 
looks like a meta post or needs custom flagging
 
Yes
You heard it from the candidate that is all for deletion
 
@AnnZen are they answering duplicate questions that get deleted?
 
8:43 PM
😂
 
deletion is good.
 
user12867493
@AnnZen How? A mod?
 
Can you share a link to another one that has been deleted?
 
@Dharman But I'm being targeted! The answers that are deleted have a good amount of votes, and they get deleted daily!
 
@AnnZen What is the reason stated? Duplicate?
 
8:44 PM
maybe not the proper place to talk about this.
can you custom flag? we'll handle it ... in 6 or 8 weeks.
or create a meta post if you want to shame the culprits publicly.... but it can backfire too.
custom flags don't backfire.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre unless they get declined and you take that to meta :p
 
even riskier
 
Deletion happens by 3 users, so I don't think that you are getting targeted
You just post a lot
You are really really active
 
No, I'm sure.
I see one of the users are always the same.
 
Zoe
8:47 PM
@AnnZen You should really stop answering low-quality questions then
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Answers with upvotes don't get deleted. Unless the question itself is closed and deleted
 
Yeah, proof that it's not HaRd FoR bEgInNeRs
 
And there's a chatroom where users unite to delete.
 
Zoe
@AnnZen of course they are - the active moderation ecosystem is tiny compared to the rest of the userbase, especially on individual tags
 
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8:48 PM
not accusing you of this, as i haven't looked at your activity, but if you're routinely answering questions that warrant deletion... it'll happen routinely, :p
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I know
 
okay I don't think you can beat this: stackoverflow.com/questions/41936285/…
( you need 10k to view)
 
i tried to delete the question that i have a 3k+ answer on
but failed
hence the 3k+
 
@AnnZen I'm not an expert in your field but it does seem that you have posted lots of answers to questions that get closed as duplicates. I can't recall any specific ones that I have close- or delete-voted, but I do see things in review queues, and in SOCVR.
 
Regardless, that user only seem to focus on deleting questions that i've answered.
If the user is active and deletes equally, I'd be okay with that.
 
8:50 PM
I don't think so. I found one after a lot of clicking: stackoverflow.com/questions/62614674/…
 
If you have any with my 'signature' on (delete or close), let me know, and I'll take another look and let you know why I did what I did.
 
Adrian it's funny as you deleted that one: stackoverflow.com/questions/62614674/…
 
Zoe
@AnnZen Do you have actual proof of that, or is that just based on what you've seen based on who closed questions you had answers on?
 
I also had some high voted answers deleted by the same set of 2 or 3 people but I don't think I was targetted. It's just that people hate duplicates.
 
Zoe
If you start thinking people are out to get you, it looks an awful lot like people are after you when they're not
 
8:52 PM
If I'm not being targeted, at least one of the deleted answers should have little to no score.
 
correct answers often get upvotes
 
Zoe
No, it shouldn't
 
@Dharman It's going to depend. We have a notification system for mods that makes the mod diamond turn orange instead of blue... if it's a simple, non-controversial policy, it may be a shorter period of time and if it's more complex, longer... But we don't generally make these policies out of the blue... and I don't expect any to come out any time soon.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre @AnnZen OK, that was one from SOCVR. The closure (as a duplicate) was clearly justified. Further, the question didn't offer itself (IMHO) as a useful guide to the duplicate target(s), so I added my vote to delete.
 
... then get deleted if they're answering dupes
 
Zoe
8:53 PM
People vote a lot even on duplicates, and it's worse on certain tags
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Can you tell me how to flag it?
 
Zoe
This is why we can't have nice things
 
Questions closed as duplicates are useful if they have a title that is both general enough and sufficiently different from the duplicate to serve as useful signposts. That question title was so specific to the OP's particular problem that it is extremely unlikely that anyone will come across it via a search.
 
@AnnZen there's a "flag" button. Oh, you can't see the answers because you don't have 10k... I see
 
@AnnZen For what it's worth you are getting too much upvotes. If you are concerned about content then please do flag it. If you are only sad because an upvoted answer was deleted then I would not worry too much. Just pay attention to what kind of questions you answer that get deleted later and try to avoid answering them in the future.
 
8:56 PM
If you can't see your answers, but have the links handy, flag any of your posts with a custom flag. But don't hold your breath....
 
I thought anyone can see their own deleted answer (recent ones, anyway). I could before I had 10K.
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole They can
 
I had to go to page 6 to find an upvoted deleted answer....
 
@AnnZen We do appreciate your contributions and we do want you to spend time here, and we are sorry to see that your upvoted answer has been deleted
 
so it's not that recent.
 
8:57 PM
Thanks for reassuring me I'm not completely mad.
 
Zoe
If you have a deleted answer on a question, you also get to see the question
 
well, recent.
 
Zoe
I'm not sure if you also get to see other answers that were deleted because the question was deleted
 
@Zoe yes
 
Unless you're a mod. I started seeing deleted answers I forgot about when I was elected.
 
8:58 PM
@Zoe Never had that happen to me.
 
@AdrianMole just wait 1 minute.
 
@Dharman don't think so... only the Q and your answer...
 
I am pretty sure I was able to see deleted answers before reaching 10k but I might be wrong
 
unless you have 10k. But even with 10k old deleted answers don't show up... unless you're a mod.
 
you don't get to see deleted answers on non-deleted Q's... so....
 
8:59 PM
@JonClements too many negatives.
 
not even with the "deleted: 1" search?
 
although I suppose the answers themselves aren't technically deleted if they're "deleted" by the question being removed :p
 
Zoe
@JonClements yeah, but you might be able to see answers that weren't deleted for other reasons
kinda like seeing the entire question excluding manually deleted posts
 
But I think you can see non-deleted deleted answers on deleted questions where you had a non-deleted answer
 
I have to get some aspirin...
 
Zoe
9:00 PM
On the other hand, that sounds like a very complex system and not something SE would implement, so <10k users can probably only see their own answer and the question
 
what are you all going on about
i step away for 2 min
 
Let's give Jean a break! Have some beer.
 
I wanted to work tonight. Then my work PC rebooted. And I got stuck with you instead :)
 
Zoe
Have you tried Linux instead? :P
 
Stuff (cough) happens.
 
9:01 PM
Tell that to my company.
 
Zoe
Okay :GWChadThinkEyes:
 
@KevinB we took advantage of your absence.
 
@JonClements Well, they go pink and one loses one's rep.
 
Zoe, what have you been told about discord emotes in stack chat :p
 
@Zoe I was meaning to ask, what is this chain of characters you add to your messages?
 
Zoe
9:02 PM
@Nick Fite me
 
@AdrianMole wrong. If they have 3+ votes and 60 days age rep is kept.
 
🤔
 
Zoe
@Dharman Emotes that work on Discord, but not on, well, any other chat service xd but that I still type because muscle memory
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hmm. Ok, but they do go pink! {grunts}
 
Shouldn't this chat be to ask nominees questions?
 
9:04 PM
Mere øl!
 
Zoe
yeah, because we've always been super strict about topics in chat :p
besides, most of the grilling is done elsewhere
 
Zoe
oh hey, Firefox 78.0.1 update
 
Though it's interesting to have a chat on a current "hot topic" (duplicates) in here, with two mods and a candidate involved. Vaguely on-topic, even.
 
Zoe
I mean, the room description technically says "Open Discussion for <election link>"
Doesn't say it has to be related to the election :eyes:
 
9:08 PM
That is true :mouth:
 
I'm impressed, Zoe speaking the truth :bicep:
 
Zoe
oi, quit flexing :p
 
:p
 
:squint:
 
Zoe
Roses are red, violets are blue, the third Mith has joined chat with you :P
 
9:12 PM
....third?
 
Zoe
Third :p
 
1 min ago, by Mithical
:squint:
 
Yeah, gandalf and mith24601 are both older so you're 3rd :p
 
fancy seeing you lot here
 
Zoe
howdy stranger :p
 
9:43 PM
Carnations are pink, daisies are white, ... {drinks more beer}
 
Zoe
10:15 PM
@Dharman on today's episode, you got flagged xd
 
Why was my message flagged? Did I say something abusive?
 
Zoe
I don't think so. The flag seems to be cleared now
 
weird. i didn't see a flag
 
Zoe
> The flag seems to be cleared now
 
yeah but i has 10k, i usually see flags, even short lived ones
 
Zoe
10:20 PM
I didn't notice it myself until I opened a new tab
 
It seems to have lasted less than a minute.
 
10:36 PM
@Dharman Weird things happen on election. Don't worry :)
 
10:48 PM
Don't woppy! Be Harry.
 
@Shree Namaste
 
@bad_coder Namaste :)
After COVID Namaste is popular and SO also implement this :D
 
hehe
 
I like weird things.
 
nghits
 
10:55 PM
o/
 
@Shree it is? I haven't been with my Nepali friends since the start of the outrbreak...
 
I am your SO friend :D
 
@Shree And you are mine. Dai. :)
 
And you are my bhai .
 
@Shree this is the part where I regret not having furthered my study of Devanagari...
 
11:02 PM
@bad_coder Don't regret keep going. That's not so hard to study but need passion.
 
11:13 PM
@Shree then you know why I started studying it.
 
Why not, learning various font / language is increase your capability. History of Devanagari . If you learn you learn at least 3+ more language :)
Night shift. 5.15AM. Need some rest. Good morning all. o/
 

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