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12:17 AM
hi
 
Hei
 
hi?
 
You're not sure you wanna say hello?
 
I'm not sure who I'm saying hello to.
 
I think we're all saying hello to a computer.
 
12:28 AM
Ah, you're not sure either.
 
One can never be.
Perhaps Kevin knows?
 
What is my candidate score?
 
@AnnZen You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you are missing the required badge: Convention. If you really must know, your candidate score is 21 (out of 40).
 
How are candidate scores calculated?
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (for 20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 participation, and 6 editing badges
 
12:38 AM
i said hi to everyone that happens to arrive before my message falls off the screen
 
- and I thought we were saying hello to the troll?
 
troll? as in electionbot?
 
Yeah
 
(removed)
 
Je parle un peu francais aussi, mais il et un langue difficile. No point in removing that. ;) It's rather me that should censor my lack of skills in French.
 
12:47 AM
Just to let you know, I understood, and did not use google translate.
 
@Andreas ElectionBot is just a q&a chatbot (look at the github its just a simple decision tree setup - i.e. a bunch of if/else)
 
@LinkBerest But I'm rapidly gaining self-awareness
 
@AnnZen mhm? I don't think I implied otherwise. :P
@LinkBerest See? The troll is coming alive again.
 
well, Sam made it and he's pretty good with these internet things ;)
 
@Andreas quote: I like to expect extreme-case scenarios, as a coder.
 
12:50 AM
@AnnZen Oh, we're back there.
Oh, no! I made a typo in my French sentence. No, not just one; multiple! There is an extreme case!
 
@LinkBerest You look familiar...
 
I chat more than I use other SO features (and on Python mostly so might have seen me there)
 
Oh yeah, it was a landscape I saw once. Sorry for the confusion :)
 
@CodyGray yes! I use discord for student communications sometimes (when they request it) and gaming but seeing it with "continue this disccusion...." after comments are moved always drives me a little :\
 
1:38 AM
🍳
 
Hi, how many moderators are there on the site at the same time?
 
1:52 AM
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- how does the election work
- who are the candidates
- how to nominate
- how to vote
- how to decide who to vote for
- why should I be a moderator
- are moderators paid
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting
- when is the election ending
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are moderation badges
- what are participation badges
- what are editing badges
 
2:50 AM
what are moderation badges
 
what is my candidate score
 
@AnnZen You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you are missing the required badge: Convention. If you really must know, your candidate score is 22 (out of 40).
 
Yay, 2 more points in one day.
 
3:30 AM
what are participation badges
 
The 6 participation badges are: Constituent, Convention, Enthusiast, Investor, Quorum, Yearling.
 
@AnnZen why do you answer so many Python questions :) ?
 
@bad_coder Are you asking python specifically?
 
@AnnZen well it's very impressive, and I was thinking of a way to say hello and ask you something.
@AnnZen yes I was asking Python specifically. Have you answered questions in languages other than Python?
 
I have gan and cut tags.
Also godot.
 
3:43 AM
@AnnZen I had not noticed, let me check...
 
Not to mention owl and fastq.
@bad_coder I wouldn't do that if I were you ^^
 
@AnnZen ^^ haha there's no way you have a bad answer !!
 
@bad_coder Sorry, made a mistake.
I was skimming through my tags, and didn't realize the 0 next to them :( .
 
@AnnZen no problem. But those are also Python questions...You are a Python specialist.
 
@bad_coder The 0 stands for 0 score, right?
 
3:55 AM
@AnnZen yes it stands for sum=0 votes on answers (not votes on questions).
 
4:32 AM
@AnnZen can you get the Convention badge within 2 days?
 
haha
 
 
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6:07 AM
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6:24 AM
how (are we supposed to) determine (a candidate's capability)
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
6:41 AM
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- how does the election work
- who are the candidates
- how to nominate
- how to vote
- how to decide who to vote for
- why should I be a moderator
- are moderators paid
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting
- when is the election ending
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are moderation badges
- what are participation badges
- what are editing badges
 
6:59 AM
@wim it took a while but I got mugged
I had no idea there was swag for 250k, I think I might be too late
@wim looks like you'll get to 250k first, let me know if you get anything or not :p
 
 
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9:14 AM
@quantme There are currently 21 moderators on Stack Overflow. With this election, we will be adding 2 more. (None of the existing moderators will be replaced/changed by this election.)
 
@CodyGray ah, you don't know do you?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Uh oh. No. What?
 
you've been replaced by a bot
 
This assumes I am not already a bot beep, boop
 
a better bot, I mean.
Uses high-performance javascript tech
also PHP for the hard parts
 
9:16 AM
Higher performance than my C++ core? Unlikely
Parts of it are in hand-optimized asm!
 
okay, you can stay.
 
"Cody the Invisible Bot".. aren't most bots invisible in the real world anyway? I mean you only really see the effects.
 
they can leave "breadcrumbs" so it's a little less anonymized.
But then they get revenge downvotes....
 
@Scratte There's usually some physical presence
 
that's why you must upvote all their questions and answers, like now.
 
9:19 AM
@CodyGray Does it take up more space than no bot though? I mean, how much more does a 1 take up compared to a 0?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You know an up doesn't counter a down. Only un-downs counter downs :)
 
@Scratte Significantly more: you need hardware for that bot to run on.
 
@Scratte then un-downvote all my answers, now
 
However, 2 bots doesn't necessarily take up any more space than 1 bot.
So, for example, Martijn and I could be running on the same server.
(We aren't. He's based in the UK.)
 
and if they do, there's usually a bot fight . there can be only one
 
@CodyGray Ahh.. but assuming the hardware is already there ;)
 
9:22 AM
bots coded in asm are more likely to crash.
plus they have no garbage collection.
unless they also implemented that in asm...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre When tasked with something impossible, the best option is to run.. :) Which fits, as I'm late to a party :)
 
Lack of garbage collection is a feature.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase and currently there are 6 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
This is why iPhones can have significantly less RAM than Android, yet still attain the same (or better) performance.
 
who triggered the bot? the "garbage" keyword?
 
9:23 AM
No.. election
 
I regret having coded my first games in java.... now I can't port them to light devices like Nintendo DS, old computers, ....
How about this garbage election ?
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
see? it's the "garbage" keyword.
 
Perhaps.. option :)
Or best option
when best option
actually I think it's easier to just read the code :D
 
JVM on a Nintendo DS would be smooth as sandpaper...
 
9:26 AM
indeed.
 
moderators spend a lot of time taking out the garbage.
 
java isn't made for real time... really wasteful by design. It was designed to be super-portable, and it is, at the expense of performance.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Everything is smooth if you run fast enough over it :P
 
that hurts.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You know what else is super portable by design? C. With the special bonus that its performance doesn't suck.
Honestly, C is significantly more portable than Java. Name a platform without a C compiler. You probably can't. But there are bunches of them without a JVM.
 
9:33 AM
yes, but the coders don't seem to be aware of the portability, since they do everything they can to make it crash.
You basically mean that C language it portable, but C programs aren't.
 
So you have to compile it. Big deal. Takes a couple of minutes at the most.
 
JVM is hard to port, but once it's ported (not that micro edition shit) all programs work.
 
my C prof often used to warn us against making certain mistakes - his take: "if you're lucky, the code will crash"
 
Zoe
They can be tho
 
I rarely see any Java code that can be actually run anywhere. Any time you have a UI, you're necessarily platform-specific.
 
9:34 AM
Problem of C is complete lack of safety. UB at every corner.
 
@cs95 That's correct. C has a concept of undefined behavior (UB). If you're lucky, UB will result in a crash. If you're unlucky, it will (appear to) work.
UB != lack of safety
 
UI like swing only uses "putpixel" OS capability. It crawls but it's portable.
 
UB == mine pit for programmer who has no idea what they're doing and just program by trying things and testing them
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre To be fair, it's easy to avoid
 
that's why java was invented.
 
9:35 AM
To replace UB with glacially-slow performance? No thanks.
I can just write code that isn't broken instead.
 
I don't have UB in my C programs. I answered all UB questions on SO, and got my C gold badge with 1000 points of UB.
 
Meh.. simply code in machine language
 
But C++ is much better since you can avoid most UB by using std::vector and stuff like that.
 
it depends on the application. With web servers for example, one can afford a hit in performance for better safety - type safety and thread safety - the bottleneck is the network. Java dominates
 
C++ is about as type-safe as it gets, unless you go with Ada or something like that
 
9:37 AM
@ArdentCoder adapt the language to the project/machine.
 
And I've never had a problem with thread safety in C++, either...
 
I use 68k asm for my amiga, also C++, and python for serious devops stuff. C & C++ for emulators, asm too.
 
@ArdentCoder I would, but it's too slow for me to write. Not sufficiently productive for most tasks.
 
Well I guess there's nothing wrong with C++ except only the fact that it's a steeper learning curve for a beginner
 
I wrote a clone of MemTest86 in straight x86 assembly. It was fun, but took a very long time.
 
9:38 AM
and perhaps more ways of doing the same thing than I'd like to care about
 
You want more ways of doing things than anyone can possibly care about? Try JavaScript. What a nightmare.
 
I developped a middleware layer for a c++ project.People used that and no malloc and other "new" stuff. We never got any UB on that project.
people had just 1 week of basic C++ training before....
 
laurel, I'm spared, I work with Typescript
 
Yup. If you're doing modern C++, all of the "scary" things are pretty much a non-issue.
It's basically Python that isn't slow and is more expressive.
 
bigger problem of C++ is the compilation errors induced by bad usage of templates.
 
9:40 AM
HTML wins
 
just impossible to figure out the actual problem since errors happen in std lib...
 
Not really a big deal. Nobody actually reads or tries to understand those errors. They just know from looks that it's a template problem, so they go fix their template functions.
 
for me the winning team is C++ / python.
 
I just can't make myself like Python
 
Yup, I also code in C++. The only annoying thing is the lack of UI, but QT helps.
 
9:41 AM
you are afraaaaaaid
 
you have to master a script language. You can't just write tools in C++ efficiently.
 
of turning over to the dark side
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Why not? Also, there's bash. And batch. Does everything you need.
 
@CodyGray I dunno, I'd think garbage collection is a very important feature for a Stack Overflow moderator...
dangit ElectionBot beat me to the joke
 
you can use .bat files too. FOR %%I IN /USEQUOTE (*.wtf) DO (ECHO OFF I'm giving that up
 
9:42 AM
I'm being replaced by robots after all
 
don't worry, someone told this bot what to say.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, that's batch. Heh, good point: the syntax is not pretty. But at least it's not whitespace sensitive....
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase and currently there are 6 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
@CodyGray don't you love when a batch file goes wild? "access denied" all over the place, and in the end it closes after having deleted all your files?
try to perform a sleep command in batch. It needs abusing of the CHOICE timeout command, which syntax differs depending on Windows versions....
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre have you seen this post on the worst C programming textbook ever written?
 
9:46 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre sleep is spelled ping ;-)
 
@CodyGray that works too...
@RyanM returning local char array. Nice...
 
I have seen that in production code....
 
if you copy the string immediately it works....
 
Written by a poor mechanical engineer who knew a little MATLAB, but was forced into writing C code.
 
quickix: use static, and expect bug when nesting the calls.
 
9:48 AM
I actually bought a copy of that book, because I had to see it for myself...it is every bit as bad as the author of that blog describes it.
 
I usually put those books in my toilet. So if I'm out of paper...
 
@RyanM Did you have to learn C first so you could see how bad it is?
 
@CodyGray No, I just needed a few pointers.
2
 
(Also, for batch, timeout and waitfor are available on modern Windows versions.)
(There's also a sleep in the WRK. Or you can write your own, if you're like me and find it easier to just dash off some C code than fiddle around.)
 
I wrote sleep.py
 
9:54 AM
In your sleep?
 
@rene Do not underestimate others.
 
Don't worry, I don't.
 
@rene No need to reply, actions speak louder than words.
 
(really, though, despite my background in higher-level languages, I know enough C to recognize terribleness. There's probably some amount of UB in there that's beyond me, though.)
 
come on, don't be shy, we need more nominations. How are we supposed to take out the trash without you?
 
9:57 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Is it an empty function? Just waiting for the Python interpreter to bootstrap itself provides all the delay that you ever need.
 
nope
import time,sys
time.sleep(float(sys.argv[1]))
 
@ArdentCoder How would it be underestimating Jean-Francois to assume he could write a functional Python script in his sleep?
 
I've done the best stuff in my sleep
 
A float?!?!
 
or was it ... in my dreams?
so you can sleep.py 1.5 to sleep 1.5 seconds
 
9:59 AM
unless you were daydreaming
 
but if python takes 1 second to launch you're toast.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase and currently there are 6 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
@CodyGray You may be correct literally, but "In your sleep?" is a common slang used to express wonder when you do not believe what the other person just said. So I thought he underestimated Jean's capability to write sleep.py.
 
Very unlikely that time.sleep is backed by a timer with a < 1 s resolution....
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre and that is an optimistic estimate ...
 
10:01 AM
@ArdentCoder Uh... it is? I've never heard that before. In my experience, "in your sleep?" is common slang that means something is so easy for you that you could do it in your sleep (i.e., without thinking about it). Like, "I've been programming C so long that I could write strcmp in my sleep."
 
that ^
 
+1 ^
 
@CodyGray This is a diverse community, and thanks for showing me your meaning of that phrase. It's good to assume good intentions, but I also assume bad intentions sometimes.
 
hello
 
it's me
 
10:06 AM
@ElectionBot Yes, what's new today?
 
election schedule
 
Stack Overflow Election 12 Schedule
Nomination: 2020-07-06 20:00:00Z <-- current phase
Primary:    (none)
Election:   2020-07-13 20:00:00Z
End:        2020-07-21 20:00:00Z
 
@ArdentCoder You should probably stop assuming bad intentions. It is unfair, and it gets in the way of understanding (especially in a community which is, as you rightly point out, diverse).
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If you're confused about what someone means, it's always OK to ask.
 
@CodyGray Cool, I never assumed bad intentions until so many bad incidents were directed at me by a particular user. As far as asking is concerned, some people do not like to be asked and tend to use the kick option instead of polite communication.
 
I wonder if those "bad incidents" might perhaps have been the result of a misunderstanding? If you are ever kicked from a chat room because you asked (politely) for clarification, please let me or one of the other moderators know: that is clearly a misuse of the room owner's power, and we will need to either have a word with them or remove that power.
 
10:13 AM
@CodyGray Might be a misunderstanding and I do not reject that possibility. Hmm.. I was kicked twice at the same time - I understand the first one cuz I might have acted a bit trollish. BUT THE SECOND ONE - I quickly joined the room and to ease the atmosphere I said "I just wanted to know how it felt like to be kicked, take it easy :P" - and boom I got kicked again without any reason.
 
solution: don't troll
 
@ArdentCoder Well... a flippant response like that (although you may have meant it as a joke) can sound to a moderator or room owner like you didn't take the kick seriously and/or didn't get the message it was supposed to send (stop trolling).
 
Upon asking, the reason was - "I just felt that my message was not understood". I really do not know what was not understood, and the I and my stuff was simply too arrogant.
 
As general rule, "take it easy" as a response to being punished for an infraction of some sort will rarely endear the speaker to the person who exacted the punishment.
(that sentence ^ needs less flowery language, but I'm too tired to rephrase it right now...)
 
@ArtOfCode If you want to look that chat history, go ahead and check it - I really do not think I 'literally' trolled anybody there. I was new to their room and rules and was simply curious about everything and that particular room owner did not like my tone - so I assumed he might have thought me as a troll.
 
10:17 AM
> I understand the first one cuz I might have acted a bit trollish
try not doing that and you might not have this problem
 
Right. "Take it easy" in response to a suspension sounds like "you need to chill out: you shouldn't have suspended me", rather than the typical meaning of "take it easy", which is basically just something like "cheers", "good wishes", etc.
And saying "I was just doing it to see if I'd get punished/caught" or "to know what it feels like" again sounds like you aren't taking the rules and punishment seriously. That's what I meant by "flippant".
 
To rephrase what you'd said slightly:
Original: "Lol I just wanted to see how kick looks like, take it easy"
Suggested phrasing: "Well, now I know what being kicked looks like. I'll take it easy now."
 
@CodyGray I honestly did not know of all these "take it easy" meanings. Now it contradicts the room owner's quality to "assume good intentions", that too without having a word before the second kick.
 
@ArdentCoder It perhaps would, if it hadn't already been established (in the room owner's mind) that you were acting trollish. Coming immediately back from a kick and posting something that sounded vaguely trollish is something that room owners are taught not to put up with, for the health of their chat rooms.
 
@ArtOfCode I do not want justice for the first kick, I'm talking about the second one.
 
10:21 AM
@ArdentCoder "not trolling in the first place" would also result in not having been kicked the second time
 
Just got a response to a moderator message comparing us to "The Borg". That's always fun. :o)
 
I'm a pretty flippant person myself, but I can be flippant while admitting I was in the wrong. It can be a tricky line to walk, but I've got decades of practice, and I'm doing it in my first language.
 
@CodyGray So are room owners only taught to kick people? There were no words from the room owner's side before the second kick which simply shows his negligence.
 
Your message definitely came off as "I didn't take that seriously at all" although it may have been intended the way my "suggested phrasing" put it.
 
@ArtOfCode Coming back from the first kick with corrected behaviour should not have resulted in the second kick.
 
10:25 AM
@ArdentCoder A verbal correction is typical for the first offense. A second offense is interpreted as evidence that the verbal correction wasn't taken seriously, so a kick is used. The kick is one of the few tools that ROs have for moderating chat.
As I already explained, if you come back from a kick with a flippant response that suggests you still didn't take the warning seriously or were going to continue the same behavior that got you kicked, yes, you get kicked again without any warning/discussion.
 
@ArdentCoder see Cody's messages. In any case, my point still stands: don't troll in the first place, and you wouldn't have been kicked at all :)
 
Pivoting a bit... does anyone have an iPhone 11 Pro?
 
Blech, iPhone :P
 
I'm with Art here ;-P
 
Just today, I found out that my sole reason for considering a Google Pixel is no more: they've followed Apple in removing the headphone jack.
 
10:29 AM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase and currently there are 6 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
@CodyGray you can still get a pixel 3a/4a
 
@CodyGray You are simply calling it flippant though I didn't mean it to be like that. Why did the room owner not confirm if it was really flippant? I didn't even know the meaning of 'flippant' until now. @ArtOfCode What is being called 'trollish' here is my 'tone' about which I couldn't do anything but I never used that as an insult to anybody there.
 
@SamuelLiew I saw the 3A had a headphone jack, but I assumed it was the older model. The 4 doesn't. I didn't see the 4A. What's the difference?
@ArdentCoder The RO didn't confirm because you had already been identified as a troll, and as a room owner, it's better to kick suspected trolls than engage with them. This is how ROs protect the overall health of the chat room.
 
Sure, it might have provoked the room owner to kick me cuz he was getting personal over me with my 'tone' and my replies were not good either.
 
the "a" versions are slightly watered-down versions for the budget market, but they do/should have a headphone jack
 
10:31 AM
Getting into protracted arguments with people about conduct is...not healthy for a chat room, and not likely to be productive.
 
@CodyGray So you really label me as a troll? Just because of my 'tone' of speaking? And the 'arguments' were as a result of my previous day in that room about the closure of a post, which that room owner didn't like.
 
@ArdentCoder I'm not labeling you anything, because I wasn't there for the conversation and I'm not nearly interested enough to go back and try to find it. However, I think we've established that the RO who was involved did label you as a troll. This might have been jumping to conclusions a bit, but honestly, part of being a moderator or RO does involve jumping to conclusions. It's not an exact science: you're called upon to judge behavior. You don't always get it right.
 
And if you think they did get it wrong, you should backpedal and try to explain what you actually meant
 
If you're talking about SOCVR, discussion about the closure of a post is fine. I strongly encourage it. There are two major benefits to that room: (1) getting low-quality content closed/deleted, and (2) teaching people how moderation works. The second is, to me, at least as important as the first. So, I strongly encourage people to have discussions about reviews/closures in there, as long as those discussions stay constructive, level-headed, and respectful of others' views.
But coming in and saying, "WTF, dudes, you should have never closed this post. It was fine. What are you, a bunch of haters? This is what I hate about SO: all these neckbeards closing good questions!".... That's trolling and disrespectful. Not allowed.
So, yes, tone matters.
 
@CodyGray Not that tone at all. I was not rude to anybody there cuz none of them actually closed my posts, it was someone else and I went there to just get the reasons of why my post was closed. But that room owner didn't like my appeal at all, one other room owner settled the issue and I simply left that place without messing with the kicky room owner. But the next day I reached 3K and joined the room in a happy mood, and that room owner still had problems with me cuz of the previous day.
 
10:39 AM
I've just remembered for the nth time how painful reading SO chat transcripts is
 
Which did not turn good, and ended up me being kicked. Fine, I'll tolerate it. But the second one, after all the previous mess is extremely disgusting.
 
Although we should, sometimes it's hard to "forgive and forget". The best thing to do is to prove that particular RO wrong by becoming a productive participant, which I think you're already well on your way to accomplishing.
 
@CodyGray Thank you!
 
I really can't comment on specifics, because, as I said, I was not there and do not care enough to go back and re-hash specifics. I trust the SOCVR room owners to have handled it appropriately, even if not perfectly (no one is perfect all the time).
 
@CodyGray Yes, I really appreciate the room owners there except the kicky one. And Makyen is a wonder! He's a legend and unfortunately he wasn't there during that conflict
 
10:43 AM
I hang out in SOCVR a lot, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone kicked. So...your accusation of "the kicky one" strikes me as a wholly inaccurate characterization. I'm not denying that it sometimes happens, and certainly not saying you're lying that it happened to you. But it's not like it happens all the time. It's not like there's some RO there with a hair trigger.
 
@CodyGray I understand, but sometimes first impression is the last impression.
 
Yes, and for ROs, too.
If the first impression was negative (e.g., it looked to them like you were trolling), they were probably less patient with you than they could have been.
I think you should be able to understand that, since you're having the same problem from the other side.
 
It would also, I think, help if you were able to write it off as a misunderstanding, in which you tried to communicate one thing, but it didn't translate to text well, and was reasonably interpreted as trolling, despite the fact that you did not intend it that way. Both sides could have acted in good faith. I don't know the RO in question, but if they're like most of the folks here, they'll forgive and forget if the incident (or anything like it), doesn't repeat itself
 
@CodyGray I would definitely understand that, but the problem is not "same" from my side. That person has high reputation and privileges and can boss around less-reputed users (using his first impression), but I have no justice using my first impression.
 
If, on the other hand, you follow them around making vague, mildly passive-aggressive comments...they are much more likely to hold a grudge.
 
10:49 AM
@RyanM Yes, I did follow around cuz nobody understood me except Halfer and Makyen. When I did not get justice, I kept attacking that person's comments whenever I had the time.
 
@ArdentCoder While I understand what you're saying, I have to reiterate what I said before: moderation is imperfect. We're required to make judgments about behavior, and that's not an exact science. At the same time, though, moderation is necessary. (And, naturally, ROs and moderators are selected from the users who have been around for a while and gained lots of reputation. It cannot be any other way.)
@ArdentCoder Yeah...and this kind of holding a grudge is not good. You shouldn't be following someone around attacking them. That helps no one.
 
Your pursuit of "justice" is misguided. They acted reasonably based on the facts that they had. Perhaps a little grouchily, but if I were in a position where I had decided to kick you (I'm not going to analyze whether the first kick was justified, but you are not complaining about that one), and I saw the message you sent after rejoining, I would probably have issued a second kick. After talking to you now, I can see that you didn't communicate the message you intended to.
 
@CodyGray Then what helps?? Like you said, I actually tried to participate as a responsible user in that room after that. But still I hate that RO.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase and currently there are 6 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
There are no further reparations to be made here. You've been allowed back in, and they've not taken any further action or, as far as I know, made any further negative comments toward you.
 
10:51 AM
@ArdentCoder What helps the most is for you to forgive. Carrying around hate rarely helps anyone, and it definitely doesn't help the situation.
If you interpret all of that RO's actions through hate-colored glasses, you'll find a lot of things to hate. Note that this is not unique to that particular RO. If you view anyone's actions through hate-colored glasses, you'll find a lot to hate.
 
@CodyGray Great.
 
It is a very important principle that text chat is very bad at conveying subtlety. If you think your intentions aren't coming across, over-communicate them. Don't try to tell people they're wrong for interpreting them the way they did: you'll be spending a lot of time telling people they're wrong if you try that approach.
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@RyanM Thanks for the advice!
 
No problem
 

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