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7:29 AM
@KevinM.Mansour No, not at all, because AI works nothing like the human brain. I don't mean "it's slightly different" or "it's not as good". I mean that it's fundamentally, methodologically completely different.
@KevinM.Mansour The thing is, the only people who think that ChatGPT's ability to write code is "good" are the people who can't write code themselves. Then, yes, it's much better than their ability; shockingly so. But it's not "good". It's terrible.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I guess we can infer that you're better at writing software than a language-learning model that knows nothing at all about software. Well... congratulations, I guess?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine If it's good at generating scaffolding that mostly works, that's a clear sign that there's way too much scaffolding in your language/framework of choice. :-)
To be fair, that's almost always the case, so I'm not picking on any specific framework/language/environment with that statement. But still, the point remains... And I don't see why a chatbot is any better for this than the "wizards" and templates of old.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Eh.... they don't? :-)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Because you are superwise. :-)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Jeff wanted to make money from it. It was his career. It was how he fed his family. He arguably could have open-sourced the code in a similar way to how companies like Microsoft are now open-sourcing proprietary code, but I don't see how going full non-profit would have worked.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Hahaha, so not like my Cherry MX Green switches?
*skips over a bunch of JS stuff* :-)
 
 
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9:51 AM
@CodyGray xD
@CodyGray not sure I am able to parse what "they" refers to ^^"
@CodyGray unlikely that could've worked, yeah (well, who knows, I guess, but still unlikely)
@CodyGray I will wear that badge with honour!
pride? Can someone "wear a badge" with "honour"?
@CodyGray my previous one (as of about 4 days ago) was based on them, actually, it had a pretty good feel (and the sound!)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine also: sigh, supervise...
 
 
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1:15 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah. "No one here says AI is bad per se." ... "They don't?" Implying myself as a potential dissenter to that characterization.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I don't see why not.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine If you were truly superwise, you would have known that. :-D
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Why did you change 4 days ago?
 
Wall of pings...
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship That's The Great Wall of Pings to you
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship You should see the mod rooms...
 
@CodyGray Cody, the torturer.
 
1:39 PM
@CodyGray oh, I judt finally gave up and bought a new one :) It served me well for years but it also is in a shitty state due to that: the tab key started to malfunction, and it's full of ash (despite me periodically cleaning it)
 
How do you manage to put all your ashes under the Tab key?
 
How about just not smoking in front of the computer; or better yet, not smoke at all?
 
@CodyGray oh, sorry, failed to parse it :) I meant neither me nor @VLAZ
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I've suggested the latter to Oleg. He was unconvinced. These days, I think he and SO have conspired to encourage us all to take up the hobby.
 
@CodyGray xD The keyboard itself, of course. The Tab key just started to jam from time to time recently, and I am too lazy to go disassemble it again just to fix it.
 
1:43 PM
@CodyGray No, thank you.
I'll rather be murdered by a robot going rampant due to bad AI, than choke myself to death.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship easier said than done.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Licorice is a great substitute for when you need that thing in your mouth.
 
I'd rather die in agony from the consequences of smoking :)
 
That is agony, indeed.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine can't you just pull all the keycaps off and blow it out or something? That's the nice thing about mechanical keyboards. It is a bit fiddly to clean them out, but it's not that difficult.
 
1:46 PM
@CodyGray Blowing is already what got it into there, so I don't think more blowing will solve the issue.
 
@CodyGray yup, that's what I periodically do, of course. Just felt it's time to get a new one. Besides, I wanted one with a metallic case for a change :)
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship No? I don't think that's how it works?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah, so the plastic doesn't burn when the ashes hit it? :-)
 
@CodyGray nope, actually - experimentally verified :)
 
Wow, that's kinda surprising actually.
 
I am just surprised as you are - but nope, the keycaps are as good as new (well in so far an old keyboard that's actively used can look new)
I guess the temperature is somewhat low? I don't know the exact number, though.
 
1:50 PM
yeah, it probably cools off enough as it fall through the air that it can't burn plastic anymore
I was thinking more the plastic frame rather than keycaps, too, as I imagine that's made out of cheaper plastic
 
well, I don't think I ever managed to get any on the frame itself - the ash tends to fall when I type with a lit cigarette, so it all mostly falls on keycaps themselves.
 
Does your wife also smoke?
 
I would guess she must, if she lets you do that in the house
 
Well, kind of, but not a smoker. Besides, we live in different countries right now (she left the country when it all started, but I stayed behind [for reasons I am not very comfortable discussing publicly, that's a bit too much PII])
and I started to smoke heavily around that time, so...
Used to smoke one a year (literally, no joke), and even that - outdoors
 
2:05 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Oh, I thought you had said that you also left?
Or... you left later?
(Ignore me, obviously, if you don't feel comfortable answering...)
 
He didn't leave.
 
@CodyGray correct, I left later, in September 2022, then returned in late December (I have some obligations to fulfill until I can comfortably leave for good, but I can't be any more specific than that in public channels)
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship The country, not SO.
 
2022 was a particularly "fun" year for me IRL :)
 
@CodyGray I know, and that's what I meant.
 
2:09 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ahh, I see. I hadn't kept up with you having returned. Although... I don't know why? I was around in December through at least part of January.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah
 
@CodyGray I did not announce it, that's probably why :) Ended up finding a new project in my home town while abroad + I have a couple of issues to settle still (without getting too much in detail - inheritance)
 
Well, but clearly my mind-reading skills need work
Ah, well, projects are always good. Especially if they pay well. :-)
 
oh, it does :) Part of the reason I am still here
 
 
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5:18 PM
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Q: PLACEHOLDER - Mass edit obsolete mui tags

NearHuscarlI'm a very nice person who contribute to this community to make it better, this is an innocent script that will help me achieve my goal, please do not resist.

 
 
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7:38 PM
·@OlegValteriswithUkraine This room, right?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yup, this one!
 
Cool, added to my list
 
appreciated :)
 
7:53 PM
@CodyGray But you don't think that it'll be better than those people who write "good" code?
@CodyGray Probably that will change.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Actually I used the throttling one, kind of nice that I encountered other problems, at least everything works well now.
 
oh, while you are here, btw, @KevinM.Mansour (curator strike upcoming): discord.gg/FCWJXZM
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine What's that? Server for Stack Overflow? Actually, I think I joined that server before.
 
@KevinM.Mansour you might've during the previous debacle :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine So, what do you mean by "curator strike upcoming"?
 
@KevinM.Mansour as in what it means - about to happen :)
We are discussing freezing rooms for the time being as part of it. Provided I am an RO and if @double-beep agrees, I'd like the room to join, but it'd be nice to have input from the members too as I don't want to make top-down decisions (unlike SE).
 
8:05 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Freeze all rooms?
 
@KevinM.Mansour no, only those that agree to participate, of course.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That's a little crazy haha, what would be the point of that?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Congrats for being RO!
 
@KevinM.Mansour oh, just as a symbolic gesture - rooms like SOCVR have much more impact, though.
@KevinM.Mansour much good it does in times like these :)
but thanks!
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yeah, imagine freezing that room, I'd laugh tbh. But that actually will flood the site with a lot really a lot of spam.
 
@KevinM.Mansour well... it's being considered (among others) - after all, that's kind of the point of having a strike
 
8:11 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I think that's the right thing to do honestly, Stack Overflow deserves it. Let the CEO flag the spam lol
 
@KevinM.Mansour yeah, let's see how they fare - the next couple of weeks are going to be soooo much fun if they continue going in the direction they are...
 
Still, mostly it'll harm the site more than good but Stack Overflow is already harming the site at all. Y'all are developers, didn't you think about creating a new Q&A platform? not joking btw a non-profit organization or something and it'll be good.
 
@KevinM.Mansour well, since this week I am very tempted to finally jump over to Codidact
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yeah, do it. It's great honestly. Just not much traffic. They also have a discord server.
 
@KevinM.Mansour yeah, likely. Might be nice to lend a hand to something that's literally run by those from the community :) Maybe it's the time it picks up - many haven't left during the previous iteration because SE did somewhat backtrack, but something tells me this time they won't.
 
8:20 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine SE are free to do whatever they want, but they must take responsibility for their decisions.
 
@KevinM.Mansour yup, they barely wriggled out the last time - it's probably time for a rude wake up call for them
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine True
 
8:37 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine They could really improve the site. they could improve chat to people can be able to curate the site even more rather than changing the voting icons which are worse and not really a death matter or something.
They could be even using a better design system than the one they are using, like why do they even need a design system? Stack Overflow isn't really that big, they could really use any UI library or just keep the site as is.
 
@KevinM.Mansour yeah... there are... So. Many. Things. They. Could. Improve. Or. Fix. But nah, screw us, I guess
 
Google may design a design system, it's OK, it's Google, so many products under 1 umbrella but here there's only 1 site....
@OlegValteriswithUkraine right
 
@KevinM.Mansour well, because the previous lead designer took it with themselves as baggage when they went here from GitHub...
 
It sucks honestly, they forgot that those curators are developers too :)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Wait Aaron left?
 
@KevinM.Mansour yeah... they keep forgetting it constantly
@KevinM.Mansour yup, a while ago
 
8:45 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I thought that guy was responsible for the bad design everywhere....
 
@KevinM.Mansour no, no, but the legacy lives on, I suppose
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine God bless, the next company that he will work in...lol
Wow, Aaron worked at Adobe, GitHub, and Stack Overflow and now he's in a startup... like aren't big companies better than startups?
 
depends what you're looking for
I've worked at both. I got different things out of each.
 
@RyanM I guess there's more money in startups?
 
I know one person who worked at the same startup as me, joined the same big company I now work at, then went back to that startup.
@KevinM.Mansour You will almost certainly not get wildly rich working at a big company. But you also won't be poor. Both are very real options at a startup.
 
8:51 PM
@RyanM But startups might fail I guess.
 
yeah, what @RyanM said - a startup can set you for good if it skyrockets but if it fails - well, too bad, it's the risk
 
I've personally made more money working at a large company... at least in terms of cash and cash equivalents. I own a chunk of stock in the startup I worked at, but it's still private (just shy of 10 years after I joined), so I couldn't sell it if I wanted to.
 
@RyanM Seems like there's a millionaire here, my net worth solely comes from selling gums in the street LOL
 
my net worth is ...very unclear! I don't know what percentage of the company I own and I don't know what the company is worth :-p
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Big companies are good for those people who have families or just need to depend on a source of income, but startup would be for 20s guys who wanna be rich (god bless young people, we need money), still, you should have another source of money or know what to do if it fails.
@RyanM Donate to me :D
To keep my servers stomach running ahaha.
 
8:59 PM
three dashes
 
Ye nice, just forgot how to do it
 
@KevinM.Mansour eh, startups are also good for those that want to try something new or, like me, prefer working either alone or in a small team with little friction (and big companies naturally tend to have some [for good reason, though, they are big, so hard to manage too])
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yeah, imagine working at Google or something.
 
@KevinM.Mansour < points a finger to @RyanM > ^^"
 
🙃
 
9:02 PM
oh
 
@KevinM.Mansour yeah, don't do that :p
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine so what shall I do? Rob people at night? :D
 
I mean, if you're working at google, you basically endorse a variant of that :p
 
everyone has a diamond these days, I should get one at least I may sell it when I retire
 
My only regret is not being elected prior to the previous round of mod swag
 
9:15 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Most developers either work at a startup, a big company, or own a startup. Those are the only ways to make income I guess. Freelancing isn't really something to depend on, for the rest of your life.
 
My likely future company isn't big or a startup :p
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Hmm...
 
9:37 PM
@KevinM.Mansour well, medium sized stable companies do exist :)
 
^
They're just not as widely talked about, because they typically don't have as much attention as the big ones
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Like, if any examples?
That's 2k to 5k workers?
 
I'd call that a big one
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine 500?
 
I'll argue 100-500
 
9:47 PM
50 is a medium one.
 
Hmm
So 10 to 50 is a startup? 50 to 100 (500?) is a middle one? 500+ is a big one? so from a scale of 500 to even 100k (like Google?) is that all considered big?
 
10:05 PM
startups can go as low as to less than 10 people on board
 
I'd say startup is <100, or <200 and not profitable.
(give or take)
 
seems about right, although I am not sure whether 100 < x < 200 qualifies as a startup (that said, being a startup involves way more than just the number of employees).
 
 
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11:11 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah, looks like I don't a lot about companies.
I still have lots and a lot of things to do before I work in a company, and I should find what I'll work as in that company lol
As far as I see, medium-size companies are the best? Stable, not big and you won't get so rich but at least you'll be paid every month.
 
@KevinM.Mansour I wouldn't say "the best", but in the sense of "probably the safest bet" - yeah
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine So what's the best (if any)?
I'd say selling gums in the street is the best (even you may get rich in 6-8 weeks depending on the number of gums you sell).
Actually selling food (supermarket) is the safest project I can think of because people will never stop eating.
 
@KevinM.Mansour what works for ya, I guess? :) The startup format works for me well enough
 
11:44 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine You can take risks?
 
@KevinM.Mansour can as in "capable of" or "can afford"? :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Both?
 
@KevinM.Mansour do I look like one who can't? :) Both
 

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