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12:05 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Y'all are so rich honestly. Donate to the poor :D
 
 
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3:41 AM
@KevinM.Mansour Of course not. Just like a Markov chain generator is not better than someone who can write English.
@KevinM.Mansour No, it won't, because, as I think you said yourself, we don't even have a good grasp on how the human brain works, certainly nowhere near good enough to replicate it. And even if we did have a full understanding of how it works, it's just different from how digital computers work. It doesn't make sense to expect them to work the same way or attempt to make them work the same way.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Aaron took Stacks to GitHub?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The unfortunate thing is that, if we decide to make the transition to Codidact, there are, once again, So. Many Things. that desperately need to be improved there.
@RyanM You got money out of one, and satisfaction out of the other? :-D
@KevinM.Mansour I donate my honesty to everyone, rich and poor.
 
 
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7:54 AM
@KevinM.Mansour Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
Although in a more non-Conan oriented way, you can pick. I personally prefer working on a company with a strong product. Last one I was in had a software that it offered to clients and had a really strong position in the market. Very few (competent) competitors and the company angled in such a way that the market needed the product.
It was a financial software and they also made sure that it covers all compliance regulations. So many institutions who had to also have regulatory compliance would also need some product. And ours was one of the few available. It was also actually good for the purpose.
Current company I'm in doesn't have an outward facing product (erm, sort of. Yet. Long story) but we develop internal tools. The "clients" are part of the same company. That has benefits and drawbacks, of course, yet one of the main things is that we'll never run out of work. There will always be something that needs to be done. Like, there is no prospect of ever going broke as the company itself is huge. And the size also means constant employment.
As in, they won't sack devs to cut costs or anything.
Again, though, that's my preference. some people prefer moving company to company regularly. Say, every two years or something. That's certainly doable. Also makes sure you don't stagnate and get to experience a lot of different technologies and approaches.
Some people exclusively move between startups. Very high payments and benefits in that sector. Also very high fail rate, though - IIRC, I saw a statistics that 60% of startups fail. But if you just move around you mitigate the risk to your own employment.
Some people also work at the same company for literal decades. Rare but it also has benefit that you'd have a secure employment. And I certainly get this. I've been at my current company just shy of 5 years now. And I have no desire to move. I've been told I could be getting as much as 20% more salary at other places. However, the peace of mind I have here is not to be discarded lightly. I'm perfectly happy with my current salary. And I am more than happy with the workload.
There are also other options. One can work at a company that takes on many projects. My first job was at such a company and I can say, the increased diversity of work is also something to consider. The drawback is that these companies need to take on projects constantly. And if there aren't any you might be benched which, from what I head, gets old quite quickly. Or you might be sacked to save costs. Or the company goes belly up entirely due to lack of income.
Also, the work in such companies tends to be hectic. Usually you have deadlines set that you may not even have a lot of control over. Also, potential scope creep that you also have no control over. Which, from experience, I do not recommend at all.
 
8:37 AM
@VLAZ Ugh. Crazy people, those.
 
@CodyGray There is good money to be had, I'm told.
 
Not nearly enough to compensate for the stress and headache.
 
Although, yes, I do share the sentiment.
 
To be clear, I'm a big proponent of always learning new things. But you can keep yourself sharp through hobby projects and volunteering for interesting new things at the same company. It is not a requirement to hop around like a jackrabbit.
 
I certainly don't really want to do job interviews all the time. Since to move, you need to do, say, 10 interviews. To pick the right company and for them to pick you. That is solid investment of time.
 
8:39 AM
Yeah, it's crazy. And so crazy stressful and, well, demoralizing.
 
Oh, yes. I love being told that Java doesn't work like it literally does. /s
Background: had an interview for a Java position where the feedback was that I god some basics wrong. Basics that very definitely weren't wrong. I even shipped them unit tests as a response to show off how their objections weren't actually true.
One of the things - if you pass an object to a method call and in the method you reassign the parameter, does the passed in object change. I answered "no". Was told it does.
Person p = new Person("Alice");
someMethod(p);
/* ... */
void someMethod(Person p)  {
  p = new Person("Bob");
}
This sort of situation.
That was 5 years ago. I'm still not over it.
I can't imagine doing interviews at regular intervals.
 
I can only assume you failed because the correct answer is "Who cares? Any code that does that is wrong by definition and must be rewritten. How it actually behaves is irrelevant."
 
I mean...you're not wrong.
 
Never am.
Heck, even Eclipse has a warning for this!
 
Honestly, lots of the things I was asked were super irrelevant. There were things I didn't know and readily acknowledged. Like specifics of the lifecycle or Java applets. Which I've almost never used anyway. But can't be THAT hard. It's probably a matter of spending maybe 30 minutes reading some documentation.
 
8:49 AM
Whose lifecycle?
 
It's embedded Java applications.
 
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10:37 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I don't see how freezing this room will help in the strike. I'd rather the mode be changed to gallery.
 
For what it's worth, I'm completely against freezing rooms during the strike.
As I wrote in The Other Place:
> I very much dislike the idea of freezing rooms. This strike is supposed to be coming from the community, not be mod-imposed. If mods freeze rooms to prevent people from using them, that's way different from us stepping away from the tools.
 
@CodyGray I think the idea was putting them in timeout, not freezing.
(despite the phrasing)
 
I don't see why there's a relevant distinction?
The only way we can justify putting a room in a timeout is if something bad was going on in that room.
inb4 "These users are preparing to strike!"
 
ROs can impose timeouts; only mods can freeze
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which is to say it would be the room's decision
 
Well, first off, the original ask was that a mod do it, as I understood it. But, second, that doesn't change anything for me. Replace "mods" in my original statement with "ROs", and it's the same deal. I'm not in favor of top-down imposition of a strike, regardless of which level of "top" you are in the Great Chain of Being.
It feels to me like an abuse of moderation tools (yes, ROs have access to chat moderation tools), which isn't what we're supposed to be doing during the strike.
 
10:42 AM
Consider a room like SOCVR, though. If the ROs are striking, they cannot supervise the room. It would be irresponsible not to put it in timeout.
 
Hmm, yeah, that does make a certain degree of sense.
 
OK, wait - I'm actually not very familiar, so please bear with my probably stupid question: what tools do ROs actually have at their disposal? In terms of "stopping" a room in one way or another.
 
But I'm still very uncomfortable with that kind of imposition. It smacks of what staff has just done.
 
This sort of extends, to a much lesser degree, to other rooms, in that ROs are supposed to be supervising the room. Though in practice, very little moderation is needed in most rooms.
(the Ministry, notably, has had no active ROs for aaaages. although there are almost always mods around.)
 
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A: Chat Timeout - Feedback

Marc GravellWe now have: timeout implementation with visual indication, and sensible error messages even if you didn't get the notification (due to lucky timing); this is mainly intended only as a brief repose while the moderator / whatever suggests (for example) a more appropriate venue. This also automat...

 
10:47 AM
Hmm, yes. Probably about time to RTFM as a RO...
I've only cleaned up some messages few times. That's about it.
Oh, I also tried to fiddle with the feeds once.
 
Am I the only one who always thinks of the game "Red ROver" whenever I see "RO"?
 
I'm not even thinking of it after you said that
 
Yeah, I don't know.
 
OK, so I thought ROs could freeze. The only options to ROs is timeout (doesn't sound great, TBH) or gallery mode.
 
11:37 AM
@double-beep I just replied to Cody about that on dsc - yes, I am definitely not hung up on any specific implementation of the gesture, and freezing has additional drawbacks. Gallery mode sounds like a plan - that's exactly why I didn't want to jump to action ^^" yay or nay?
 
12:25 PM
@CodyGray the other way around, IIRC: they developed a similar thing for GH, then did the same when jumping ship to SE
@CodyGray at least there it might be possible for me to just join the code repository and make those desperately in need of improvement things myself :)
 
12:47 PM
@CodyGray What could be improved there, beside UI?
@CodyGray We, unfortunately, can't sell your honesty.
@CodyGray I forgot what I said, if you ask me lol
@VLAZ Wow, thanks for all that.
 

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