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4:10 AM
@OlegValter "Where" or "when" seem like good candidates. I am not sure I like "assert" there. "Expect" or "expecting" are also reasonable.
 
 
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7:23 AM
@CodyGray Any thoughts on wanna? Example usage: wanna x be 1
 
@VLAZ Ugh.
 
:)
 
Doesn't even make sense.
That means "want to".
 
@OlegValter Dunno. This is the first I've heard of one.
 
7:51 AM
This site has character limits on everything. It's like it was intentionally designed to frustrate me. :-)
I remember Jeff Atwood saying a long time ago that character and rate limits on everything was a major principle of design that he adhered to in order to keep down abuse.
 
 
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9:52 AM
Unfortunately, this backfires when all the people trying to fight the abuse are spending their time trying to describe said abuse in 500 characters or less.
 
10:06 AM
@CodyGray hmm, assert sounds pretty intuitive to me: we assert that the module is of some type, and if that assertion fails, we throw early. Although expect sounds nice too. Both versions are instinctively recognizable too: anyone writing unit tests for JS codebases will be familiar with the meaning of expect (Chai + Mocha/Jest setups) or at least with assert ( Node.js's built-in assertion module )
@VLAZ I suggest yall imports as an alternative to the star [wildcard] import (import * as for outside observers): yall folks from "room"!
@Catija I see - I suppose it is time we had a "Complete Character Limit Guide to Stack Exchange" :) Joking aside we do not have one, do we?
@CodyGray heh, true. @Scratte might've written new War & Peace here, but it is a bit surprising to see a character limit on the "contact us" form. I at least hope the limit is on par with the post length limit (30K chars if memory serves me right?)
@CodyGray I agree with Jeff on that - the only type of abuse here should be from the abysmally low character limits for everyone who dares try to help the network or express their grievances :)
@RyanM why do I keep getting the feeling that the "founding fathers" of the network did not think too much about how this all is going to scale to the size SO has now?
 
10:26 AM
@OlegValter I think a more natural way to express this in English is by require. You require the result to be JSON and won't stand for anything else. Surely, it's less confusing this way as it clearly denotes what you mean :P
 
10:45 AM
@VLAZ that surely will never end up confusing the heck out of Node.js folks :)
joking aside, something like requires would be nice: import json from "a.json" requires { type: "json" }
I also think that asserts, expects, requires (or whatever) would be more intuitive for programmers given we already have (the list obviously varies if you exclude TS): extends and implements
 
 
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2:53 PM
@OlegValter Not that I'm aware of, no. But that's kinda an interesting thought.
@RyanM It's definitely quite a bit more than 500 characters... I also think the system works in a way that you can respond to your own tickets, so if you can't get everything in the first time, you can add more later on.
 
@Catija I already started making one analogous to "The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide" :) Expect it to show up on MSE this week. Quite a few things to go through, though. One thing to note: I noticed the contact us form is limited to 5000 characters, actually
 
5k isn't bad. Better than 500 :P
 
3:10 PM
@Catija That's not a problem. We all have things to do and some things are just more important. I've sent you a monster-long email. Let me know if nothing turns up in your inbox, since then I must have typed your mail in wrongly.. or get caught in a spam filter :)
 
I have it. :)
 
Super.. There's no rush on it. There are a lot of links.. so it may not be a 5-minute job to read it :(
@OlegValter Thank you :) That's really nice to hear. I think not everyone shares that opinion though.
 
3:57 PM
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Q: Two B or not two B - Farewell, BoltClock and Bhargav!

CatijaOn November 22nd and 23rd, 2021 we celebrated two big anniversaries - a 10 year moderator tenure for BoltClock on the 23rd and a 5 year tenure for Bhargav Rao. In their ways, these two have done an immense service to this site and I'm honored they've spent so much time helping us out and respondi...

 
4:27 PM
@double-beep yeah, it wasn't unexpected - still quite sad to see them go :(
@Scratte heh, well, can't please everyone :) I certainly have my list that I would like to go and pretty sure I am on a couple of such lists too. Hope the situation can be resolved - would be a real shame to see you go for good. P.s. I recently realized that I keep your JOIN post as a reference
 
I have a JOIN post?
 
@Catija do not add salt to an open wound, please :)
@Scratte is this some other Scratte's post? :)
 
Oh! That one. That came about in an unconventional matter.. it took a while to make it. Another long post that was immediately downvoted :D I think it was downvoted before I posted it :O
 
no idea why somebody would do that unless they are pissed off by the Venn diagram metaphor rebuttal
any idea why meagar deleted and immediately undeleted your post back then?
 
4:42 PM
Ha! I didn't even know they had deleted it :D Three days after it was posted. 30 minutes after they removed the bounty on the Question.
I guess someone flagged it. That's funny.
 
they undeleted shortly after that - I wonder what would be the idea, seems odd
 
Not sure. The bounty was removed and the reputation given back to the user that had offered it. So it can't have been to exclude it from getting the bounty.
The meta post that started it all is deleted and I have no links to it.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ then, I suppose
@Scratte dang
 
The only way I know is because I'm looking at the user that posted the meta-post. They have no meta-posts. It's annoying.
There was an auto-chat to the meta post. But I don't know if that is retained when the post is deleted.
Only 5264 total room including frozen ones.
"This question was removed from Meta Stack Overflow for reasons of moderation".. Urgh!.
 
5:15 PM
well, we need 10K+, I suppose:) Or wait a year or so
 
6:09 PM
@VLAZ done, Yvette added
@JonClements Taryn (bluefeet) fixed, the answer was simple - the moderatorship bars were painted over employment, thus covering Taryn's empployment bar
I started a proper repository for the timeline: github.com/Oaphi/mods-tex
only one tweak left: allow non-contiguous ranges
 
7:04 PM
@JonClements also added a gap for you - I failed to find the exact date of reinstatement so used your "5 months later" note - is there a more precise date?
do not know when Tim Post was reinstated - if you or @CodyGray, or anyone else knows, will be nice :)
 
7:19 PM
^ yay, elections nomination page is borken
 
7:42 PM
@OlegValter Stepped down Oct 18th 2019 and came back April 9th 2020
and Tim came back as a mod on Dec 15th 2020
 
8:07 PM
@JonClements perfect, thank you! Will update shortly
 
@Catija That's good to hear, though my gripe about the 500-character limit was directed at the mod flag max length, which I've definitely had to spend time editing down my flags to fit within (particularly when they contain a lot of links).
 
8:23 PM
tada! Fully updated SO mod graph. If you find anything or have feature requests, please let me know. cc @JonClements, @CodyGray, @Catija, @SamuelLiew (end of the scary cc), @VLAZ
 
@OlegValter I don't like the stop for BoltClock and Bhargav Rao.
 
8:40 PM
@VLAZ ok, correction - anything in my power :) Or did you mean that seriously?
 
Nah. I don't like they are leaving. Nothing you can do about it, I guess. Although, have you tried tracking them down and offering a big bribe?
 
Just leave Bhargav's bribe offer as an answer on a random question. It'll make its way to him.
 
8:57 PM
@VLAZ you think involving Russian mafia might help bring them back? Good thinking
 
We'll never know if we don't try, right?
 
 
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11:56 PM
@Scratte 'twas a Roomba deletion. Screenshot if you'd like the content.
@Scratte Where on Discord might that be?
 
@RyanM I mean, yeah, totally, but I think the idea was that allowing extremely long flags would end up being a way to abuse the moderators. I think that has turned out to be a non-issue, but it was a real concern in the early days.
 

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