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5:51 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah, right; I was skimming too fast. And that was yesterday, when I had way less than half as much transcript to read. Grrr.... But yeah, inflict the pain of horrible design far and wide....
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Well, yes. I guess that's quite like userscripting, except for everyone. Would be a lot less frustrating, wunnit?
@KevinM.Mansour Yes, the UI. Plus other things. But mostly the UI.
 
 
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9:31 PM
PSA: On the 5th of June, this room will be put in read-only (gallery) mode indefinitely, as part of the upcoming moderation strike.
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9:51 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine There're too many mods. Those mods aren't going to help with the site anymore? Or lower activity?
And that's SE wide, I thought this was a Stack Overflow only thing?
 
@KevinM.Mansour and there will be many more :) All activity - posting, closing, reopening, reviewing, editing, flagging, handling flags, etc., etc.
@KevinM.Mansour yup, it's network-wide by now, massive.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine But didn't moderators sign a paper that forces them to help with the site whatever (not sure, a personal guess?), shouldn't they altogether resign in case they don't want to help anymore?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine does that take into account commenting on other chat rooms?
(sorry if this is somewhat unrelated to this room)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Still kinda sad, we won't be able to chat here anymore ;-;
Anyway farewell everyone, I'm going to move to Discord lol
 
@KevinM.Mansour no, moderator agreement is a specific document that doesn't require them to do anything specific, of course, just not to violate the clauses there. Requiring mods to do work would be... quite unethical.
SE can still, technically, decide to strip dissenters of the diamond, but that would be a horrifically dumb move on their part, so I doubt it.
@NordineLotfi hmm, wdym?
 
10:00 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Hmm, I always thought they were forced to volunteer.
 
@KevinM.Mansour well, I hope all of this is temporary, but if SE doesn't back down I've already set my mind on leaving the network this time, so it doesn't really matter
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine You'll delete your account?
 
no, of course not, why would I? But leave - for sure, I don't think there is future for SE unless they back down
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Oh, OK - glad about that. By leaving, you'll no longer participate, etc. I get it.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I meant that mostly since you mentioned this room will be read-only. I guess the same will probably happen to other rooms if their room owners/moderator join in (which they will)
 
10:04 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I hope it's temporary too, but I don't think they'll regret their decision or something.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Same, but I have a bad feeling telling me they will either do something worse even if they back down, or not back down.
 
They could back down their old decisions and they didn't. They are turning the network into a business.
 
the moment it was bought by Prosus, it always and always was a business
I feel like SE/SO should have been a non-profit initiative from the very beginning.
but what do I know?
 
@NordineLotfi ah, that - yeah, kind of: SOBotics (not confirmed, but possible), SOCVR (not confirmed, but likely), BSOR (confirmed), and BHQ (confirmed) already posted the same PSA and will be moved to gallery mode on Monday
 
Imagine a room like SOCVR will be closed, and the site will be flooded with spam. This, alone, should make them worry about the site.
 
10:08 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine got you :/ thanks for the confirmation/details
@KevinM.Mansour I hope so...
 
And moderators won't participate is just even worse.
 
@NordineLotfi I ... have a bad feeling about this too
 
This will be a good phase for people who like to spam lol
 
@KevinM.Mansour this should happen for a week or a month max to really make an impact
maybe more if needed, not sure
@OlegValteriswithUkraine welp
 
@NordineLotfi Well, a week will have an impact.
 
10:10 PM
@KevinM.Mansour eh, SOCVR suspending operations (there is already an agreement to suspend handling and reviewing, just waiting on the room gallery mode decision) won't be as impactful. Our main ammo is Charcoal stopping handling spam, and they are on board.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I see.
 
@NordineLotfi NP :) You probably noticed there are starred messages in the respective rooms asking for feedback on whether the rooms themselves should go gallery mode. I haven't seen any dissent so far, so... pretty likely that both SOCVR and SOBotics close down too.
@NordineLotfi yeah... that was the biggest mistake right from the start.
 
@KevinM.Mansour I hope yeah
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I did notice this somewhat yeah :) just wanted to make sure since you mentioned it too
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I feel like Joel or Jeff probably wouldn't have listened at the time, but I guess we'll never know
 
10:30 PM
@NordineLotfi well, it is great enough they came up with the idea, but yeah, in hindsight, it was a huge mistake
 

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