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12:01 AM
What did he ever do to you?!
 
oh, god :)
can it be used for voodoo purposes?
 
What can't?
 
@Scratte that sentence couldn't be understood, you are cryptic today.
 
The last word should be "out", not "our".
Does that help?
 
@CodyGray I guess all you need is someone's likeness, true
 
12:06 AM
You like me, is that enough?
 
@CodyGray are you sure you want me to try some voodoo on you? :) I am sure I have multiple things to screw it up
 
I don't think things could get much more screwed up for me
 
@CodyGray uh no. Scratte is still incomprehensibly cryptic.
@CodyGray I have a hard time believing that. You have a job, an education, a family...
 
Hmm
He makes sense to me
 
@CodyGray are you sure? I am talented :)
 
12:12 AM
Then make something good happen!
 
@OlegValter but now what is really interesting (for me): If I visit Russia for 10 days, with the aim of meeting people. Where would be the best place to go?
 
@bad_coder maybe they switched the cipher suite
 
@OlegValter squirrel cypher suite :O
 
@bad_coder back home :) Joking aside, depends on your idea of "visiting Russia" - kind of like "if I were to visit the Americas, where should I go?". Any specific parts you would be interested in?
 
A coffee shop? Train station?
Why would you go to a country "with the aim of meeting people"?
 
12:15 AM
definitely not a train station :) Although those built during the Empire period can be marvelous
 
Do you know what people? Whom are you going to meet?
 
@OlegValter in America I have family and friends, so that is different. I'd structure my vacation between meeting them and visit nearby points of interest. (I'd also drive lots of miles on a Harley and go to a gun range.)
And I would definitely go shopping for clothes, electronics and books.
 
Weird tourism.
 
@bad_coder sure, I mean, like, it would be very different depending on what is your idea of visiting Russia - it will be one thing if you go to Saint Petersburg (basically like any other European capital city but in a shittier state), completely another if you go visit lake Baikal, another one if you go to Grozny, and a wholly different experience if you go to Kamchatka
 
12:19 AM
@OlegValter ok, I'd like to see ballet (the grand productions) and visit historical landmarks. I read several books about Stalingrad, so that is one city I would like to visit (not for good reasons). In terms of meeting people, somewhere with a relaxed night scene, or where people have a reputation of being friendly, open to foreigners and it's considered very safe to walk around.
 
@CodyGray Thank you. I see you've learned squirrel :)
 
@bad_coder well, for ballet you would definitely want to go to Saint Petersburg. Just do not go to the Mariinsky theater, go straight for the Mikhailovsky theatre, it is much better. For historical landmarks of the Empire era too. For an "early Russia" feel, you'd definitely want to go to Novgorod (either of them) or Pskov. As for Stalingrad (don't miss it on the map, because it is presently Volgograd), visit it only if you are interested in seeing the famous colossal statue.
 
Stalingrad? Isn't that also Leningrad which is also Saint Petersburg?
 
not talking to you anymore :)
 
@OlegValter since you mention Kamchatka I've seen several adventure documentaries where the challenge was riding across Russia on a motorcycle and reaching the far east of Russia one example with Ewan McGregor
 
12:24 AM
Oh!.. I need to check up on that then.
 
But that's a serious adventure...I don't have the infrastructure or traveling companions for something like that.
 
@Scratte What? No, Stalingrad and Leningrad are different.
Leningrad was previously known as Petrograd.
 
@CodyGray Yes. I figured since Oleg isn't talking to me anymore :)
 
@Scratte Oh, I figured that was unrelated to your lack of geography knowledge.
 
If you want to get lost in art galleries, Petersburg is probably the greatest choice too since the Hermitage is basically Louvre in terms of sheer magnitude of the collection. If you want to get acquainted with Russian painters, choose the Russian Museum in SPB (easy to confuse with the Hermitage but they are not the same) or, of course, the famous Tretyakov gallery (but be sure to get tickets in advance since the queue to enter much closer resembles the one of Louvre :)) @bad_coder
 
12:26 AM
I'm pretty sure that was exactly why :D
 
Hmm. There are so many good reasons... Why pick that one?
 
@bad_coder yeah, you also need to spend an absurd amount of money to get there, so I am just mentioning it as a way to convey the broadness of the question :)
@CodyGray for a little while, yes - it was renamed to Petrograd during the first world war because of the anti-german feelings spreading
 
@OlegValter well, that kind of tourism is nice, and I've done it lots of times. But when I'm traveling I like to meet people and see places.
Otherwise I'm left with the impression I went from one venue to the next.
 
@OlegValter What does Petrograd have to do with anti-German feelings?
@bad_coder Isn't an art gallery a place? That you would be seeing?
 
@CodyGray because "Saint Petersburg" is of the German origin :)
 
12:31 AM
@OlegValter Ah. Neither "Saint" nor "Peter" sound very German to me.
 
@CodyGray no, an art gallery is where you see cultural production and history.
 
Whereas...
 
@CodyGray a place is a street, a hill, a neighborhood, a town, a village, a plaza, a place where social agents live and are engaged in their activities.
 
@CodyGray the etymology of the name is a bit complicated
it is not the original name Peter the Great gave to the city
 
@bad_coder You want to go visit a street or a hill?
 
12:33 AM
in Russian, it is more apparent: "Санкт-Петербург"
 
@CodyGray For, example: I would find it more interesting to take the public transport during rush hour between a residential area and a work area.
 
@OlegValter Oh yeah. Totally obviously German. (??)
 
A burh (Old English pronunciation: [burˠx]) or burg was an Old English fortification or fortified settlement. In the 9th century, raids and invasions by Vikings prompted Alfred the Great to develop a network of burhs and roads to use against such attackers. Some were new constructions; others were situated at the site of Iron Age hillforts or Roman forts and employed materials from the original fortifications. As at Lundenburh (medieval London), many were also situated on rivers: this facilitated internal lines of supply while aiming to restrict access to the interior of the kingdom for attackers...
^ if you read on, in German, the "burh" is slightly mangled to "burg" which is exactly what the "burg" in the name of the city means because it was supposed to be a fortress in a strategic place
 
@CodyGray to visit a market where people usually do their groceries. A busy street in the morning, a park during lunch time. A street full of restaurants where workers have their lunch break.
@CodyGray a place known for street musicians and artists.
 
@OlegValter Ah! Burgh! I get it now.
 
12:35 AM
@CodyGray yeah, and then you get "Sankt" and not "Saint" like it is currently translated
 
Sankt is Danish
I guess it is also German :-)
 
We call it "Sankt Petersborg".
 
Adjective: Sankt
  1. Saint: title given to a saint.
  2. Sankt (indeclinable, predicative only, not comparable)
  3. Saint: title given to a saint.
Noun: Sankt
  1. Saint: title given to a (male) saint.
@Scratte which is actually closer to its name :)
 
I am struggling to imagine why it would be remotely interesting to go to a market where people buy their groceries, or sit on a passenger train during rush-hour. People who need to do those activities don't even enjoy being around for them.
 
We also call Moscow for "Moskva" there are no cows in our version :)
 
12:38 AM
and that is also how it is supposed to be called :)
 
@OlegValter Well, no. Missing the point, though. You're just saying that the Russian word for "Saint" has drifted less from the German word for Saint than the English word Saint.
 
@CodyGray no, no, you need to know who Peter the Great was to understand why I am not talking about Russian at all here
btw, Russian for "Saint" is "Святой", so no
 
Just because you change all the letters!
It's still the same language underneath
Just with funny letterforms that look like other completely different letterforms.
 
what I am trying to tell you is that the city was never named in Russian in the first place :)
Peter the Great wasn't a great fan of Russian way of life
 
@OlegValter I know that his head was too small for his body. I am not sure what, exactly, you are referring to, though. Russian Tsar, 17th-18th century, known for modernizing reforms. What else?
Yeah, he wanted to bring y'all up into the Enlightenment.
Wasn't that nice of him?
 
12:41 AM
yes, they were probably one of the best Emperors we ever had
 
@CodyGray I immensely enjoy markets and public transportation. Maybe your idea of it more like going to the mall and driving around in a car. But in most cases getting to a see a city is best done taking the bus.
 
Most cities around here don't have buses :-)
And... I don't think they allow you to drive around a mall in a car.
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@CodyGray ok, renting a scooter is also cool. But I dislike driving in urban environments especially abroad.
 
I would suppose that you would walk around the urban environments when touristing.
 
@CodyGray lol, that's not what I said.
 
12:44 AM
@CodyGray That's done a lot in my city by tourists. Or they rent bicycles.
 
See...Your idea of a bus is probably a long distance road. There's not much fun in that, but in a densely packed city it's a bit like those open air metros I see in the US where you kinda go door to door through the neighborhoods.
@Scratte On a vacation I might walk 30 Km's per day or more. Depends on the city, if things are far apart a bike is better, if they are close together walking is more convenient.
 
@bad_coder We have "city bikes". They're electrical, so you don't have to work very hard to ride them. You pay per minute and you return them to any of the charging stations around the city.
 
@Scratte I honestly haven't tried them (although they are ubiquitous here.) But before confinement I'd go on a 10km walk almost every day.
 
If you live near a charging station and your job is also near one, it's very convenient and even cheaper than public transport.
 
@Scratte nothing beats the monthly transportation card. A few Euros and you can go everywhere for 30 days.
 
12:52 AM
@bad_coder Does that cover Copenhagen? Because.. people here pay around 100 euros per month just for using public transport in the city.
 
@CodyGray so... to finalize the point I was trying to make: Peter the Great was European to the bone (with a particular affinity to the Dutch), and this also reflected in the name of the city. "Санкт-Петербург" is basically a transliteration because officials couldn't read it well (give me a moment, I will fetch the old map of the fortress, you'll see what I am talking about). If it was a Russian name meaning "City of Saint Peter", [1/2]
[2/2] it would be "Свято-Петроград" (which is exactly what happened when the Emperor renamed it to "Petrograd" to boost patriotic feelings). The name "Sankt-Peterburg" literally has little to no connection to Russian
 
@Scratte In relation to your minimum wage that's a lot of transportation for a reasonable price.
 
@bad_coder I don't think it is.. you have people barely making due and they can't afford it.
@bad_coder Also.. we do not have a minimum wage. It doesn't exist here.
If someone accept being paid 1 EUR per month, no law can prevent it.
 
@OlegValter how would you say saint Peter in Russian written in Latin alphabet?
 
1:00 AM
@bad_coder Svyatoy Pyotr
 
Pyotr is just amazing! And Svyatoy is even more amazing!!
You pronounce it like you write it in Latin?
 
@bad_coder well, you asked for transliteration :) So yes, this is how it would be pronounced in Russian
"ya" corresponds to the sound of letter "я"
and "yo" to the sound of letter "ё" (and sounds exactly like in "yo-yo")
 
@OlegValter For your effort in explaining that I would tell you something personal about my taste for Eastern European iconography, but that would be to telling about myself.
@OlegValter this is a substantial departure of pronunciation from the Western European languages. Amazing..!
 
@bad_coder yeah, iconography (or "иконопись") is only of the staples of early Russian art and corresponds to the techniques of the early Renaissance painters while also being developed completely independently. Unfortunately, Soviet reign led to a substantial loss of those precious works of art, but not all of them. You'd definitely want to visit Moscow and Novgorod, speaking of destinations of tourism
@bad_coder yeah, mostly because Russian has little to do with Western European languages :) It is that strange Cyrillic script that actually relates us closer to the Egyptian "branch" than anything
 
@OlegValter let me give you an example. When foreigners arrive where I'm from, they immediately meet people, go out at night, have acquaintances, get phone numbers, someone to call and meet for drinks or a coffee.
@OlegValter If a foreigner struck up a conversation with me it would be extremely rude not to go out with them, have fun, show them around.
That's called hospitality.
There's also no question I'd take that person to be with my friends and go out with us.
 
1:14 AM
I suppose so? :) I think you confused me with @CodyGray :) I thought I've been talking about what to visit all this time?
 
@OlegValter no, actually I was telling you what my idea of a perfect time in Russia would be. Meet people and spend some time with them.
 
ah, then just go wherever :) We are a friendly bunch
certainly the closest reception you can get to what you described is Saint Petersburg
going to Moscow is, well, like going to a giant metropolis - nobody gives a damn about you
 
@OlegValter ok, here would come a subtle conversation that I don't care to have on SE. Which is about subtle social queues I should be looking out for. A lot of it about security.
 
@bad_coder none, frankly, we are really a friendly bunch. Of course if you show up in some provincial city with no knowledge of Russian, you might get in trouble
you might want to keep some, let's say, personal, facts under wraps if venturing outside cities like Petersburg, but the worst you'll get is that "ah, foreigners", even from the most bigoted people
 
@OlegValter this is kind of the idea I had of Saint Petersburg. For a variety of reasons. For example, before WW1 it was considered the most gay city in Europe where all the homosexuals went to. The modern US equivalent would San Francisco - so that's an interesting environment (making the contrast with Moscov you just stated, the "no one gives a damn".)
Some places just have a special "vibe", an openness, a night life, a vibrancy.
@OlegValter ok, that's the kind of hint that makes all the difference!! And only a Russian national can give it accurately.
 
1:22 AM
if you are for night life, Petersburg definitely is the place (just don't venture into suburbs at night, it is a very bad idea) - Rubinstein street is probably the most famous for that
 
@OlegValter city center tends to always be the best and safest.
@OlegValter probability of being scammed and mislead there?
 
yeah, sure - this is just a word of warning should you ever want to visit :) It is an extremely bad idea to venture out of the city center at night
@bad_coder scammed as in?
 
@OlegValter extremely bad says it all.
@OlegValter ok. Random episode, one night I was having drinks and saw a small group of man leading a half-drunken foreigner to the next bar. He had been enjoying himself with a group of honest people, and I knew he'd be robbed and beaten just around the next street corner.
 
@bad_coder yeah, and, well, you will likely be fine even if you do, just don't venture into suburbs (you'll know when you are out of the city center for sure - but you really have to try, it's not like you take a wrong turn, and suddenly all bets are off) at night alone or avoid other groups of people at all costs if you do
 
@OlegValter I called the group of honest people out, told them what was about to happen, and we went after them to get the man back. If numbers weren't even we'd all have been in a bad situation, and had I acted 3 or 4 minutes later it would have been too late.
@OlegValter I know the feeling, sometimes I take a wrong turn and a few minutes later I'm driving into a ghetto.
 
1:29 AM
@bad_coder oh, yeah, I suppose that can happen? It's not like there is no possibility (but where isn't?)
 
@OlegValter ok, so on Rubinstein street honest people get together for drinks and it's easy to start a conversation. Will probably be the place where my plane lands then.
 
my general impression has always been, though, that if you do not around cheap bars section, where of course things can get ugly, it is great. But it's not the only one, it's just the one that became the most famous - but there are so many great small bars, restaurants and cafes that it would be hard to list even a few
 
@OlegValter sounds like my kind of town.
 
it probably is :)
 
Again, I don't do venues. I meet people. It can be more interesting to strike up a conversation in the middle of any street than at a bar (because any venue is already an excuse for people going there, and thus somewhat of an artificial setting.)
 
1:35 AM
(cont.) because we basically live on tourism, it lead to a great number of places opening up and nightlife booming (well, at least it was like that before the pandemics, I do not really know how things are presently - don't go out much these days)
 
@OlegValter tourism is good, folks are ready to welcome people. That's a cultural thing.
(I didn't know Saint Petersburg was a touristic place in the sense of actually welcoming people.)
 
it was, and it is :) Well, I hope it is still
 
Because usual description is: Got visa, got plane, went to hotel, went to musem, got back. (No people.)
 
especially closer to the winter where we stop getting the hordes of tourists that come here for what you described above
 
@OlegValter I had factored in for that, but I love walking in the snow (wondering if it is actually possible there. 10Km/day outdoors in the low season?)
 
1:40 AM
@bad_coder well, ironically, I more like this, though, when I travel (well, used to [in a sense "before the pandemic"]) - but there are two types of Russian folks - who tend to keep to themselves and those who are very close to the type you are seeking. They are unmistakably easy to distinguish between, though :)
@bad_coder eh, ironically, you will have to try to get here when it is snowy :) We don't get much snow, mostly rain, even in winter - say thanks to the Baltic sea proximity
to get snow, you need to, likely, really try - go here in January or February
 
@OlegValter a friend of mine spent 10 years in Russia as an important guy. He told me of the later type of person (which is what intrigues and draws me the most, because I've met a few Russians, Ukrainians, Moldovans here who were nothing short of amazing).
@OlegValter but that friend's experience wasn't normal in any sense, because he was an important guy. So I can't use it as much of a reference.
 
it is actually the more common type :) not many of us are broody keep-to-myself type (it's a rare Dostoevsky-style breed so to speak)
 
@OlegValter I read the gambler and his characterizations were amazingly lively (although stereotyped.)
 
@bad_coder huh, well, I can't tell how normal their experience was, as in experience the higher-ups are much less jovial than common folk around
 
@OlegValter That's what I was hoping for.
 
1:46 AM
pong
 
@OlegValter the experience of a guy who buys everything.
 
@bad_coder well, I was more thinking about the Crime and Punishment when I referred to the "breed" :)
@bad_coder [failed to dereference] "buys everything" as in?
 
@OlegValter short of a private plane everything...
 
@bad_coder ah, sorry, I see :) "buy everything" has a connotation of "believes everything", so you see the confusion
 
@OlegValter aaa, haha. No that wasn't what I meant.
@OlegValter I can't thank you enough for the time you took for me. Let's call it a night for today, I don't want to waste anymore of your time.
 
1:58 AM
I see :) yeah, I suppose the experience can be quite tainted then - but I don't think they were wrong
@bad_coder NP, no need to mention that
 
@OlegValter hey, if we ever meet I owe you lunch at a good restaurant. And let the sommelier get creative.
 
@bad_coder heh, thanks :) no sweat of my brow [ugh, I might be misusing a colloquial phrase] - nice talking to you!
 
Nice talking to you @OlegValter, very impressive I must say.
o/
 
cheers!
actually...
@Scratte it is is "good", "bot", and some other triggers that matched
 
I see :) I won't share the secret :)
 
2:11 AM
I'll tighten the regex, don't worry :) it is too permissive right now
or not :) wishing the bot good night, apparently, triggers a thank you response, so it might be something to consider "by design"
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3:06 AM
@CodyGray and don't you dare feeling left out of the conversation. I was wanting for months to ask these questions to Oleg. Next time we'll ask you to tell us about Texas :)
 
3:51 AM
@bad_coder I have never seen such a thing in the US.
@OlegValter Ah, I see. Basically, it was named in transliteration, rather than being named in translation?
@OlegValter Pyotr isn't really different from Western European languages... But... is it pronounced "sve-yet-toy" (where "sve" is like Sweden pronounced in Swedish, and "yet" and "toy" are pronounced like the normal English words)?
 
3 hours ago, by Oleg Valter
what I am trying to tell you is that the city was never named in Russian in the first place :)
@CodyGray exactly :)
 
@OlegValter Oddly... I don't think that's the perception that Russians generally have in the "West" (by which I mostly mean the US, with perhaps also Western Europe thrown in, too).
@OlegValter For your information, it didn't take me this long to get it. I have been away from keyboard. ;-)
@OlegValter Aww, look at that cute little couple kissing in that photo from Wikipedia!
 
@CodyGray hmm, no, maybe its just me choosing the wrong letter combination, "toy" is pronounced exactly the same, true, but it is not pronounced "sve-yet", it is closer to "Svja"
 
The man looks perhaps 1.5 times as long as the girl, but hey!
 
@CodyGray the US has a very propaganda-mangled view of Russians, methinks :)
 
4:01 AM
@OlegValter I wouldn't blame yourself.... My familiarity with Russian pronunciation is nearly zero. Even though I can't speak the Western European languages, I'm familiar with their general rules of pronunciation from having heard them spoken, at least key words and phrases, or even just names and places. Not so for Russian.
Which goes back to my knowledge of Russian history being very, very minimal.
Once you move beyond Cold War era politics and international relations, I know almost nothing.
A little bit about the 1917 revolution, of course, because... of course.
@OlegValter Ah! Sieve-a-toy! (?)
 
@CodyGray I understand :) Just a note that this is exactly what I was trying to convey - Peter the Great really disliked the old Russian culture
 
(Is it completely bizarre to use a word with as weird of a spelling as "sieve" in a phonetic pronunciation? Heh.)
@OlegValter Oh, I mean, very likely. And I obviously have no first-hand knowledge. I haven't even known more than maybe one or two people who are actually from Russia or spent significant time living there. That's why I ask.
 
@CodyGray wow, hah! Did not notice them at all
 
@OlegValter What happens in the suburbs? Usually, in my experience, suburbs are safer than the city center (less crime).
@OlegValter It also suggests that the aspect ratio is compressed... They look too short.
 
@CodyGray it is, Mercedes E300 is not as sleek as it looks there :)
@CodyGray oh, did you forget that it is all inverted in Soviet Russia? :) But you probably think of suburbs in the US way, give me a sec to illustrate what I referred to
 
4:08 AM
@OlegValter No, that's correct. Other than your misspelling of "off". ;-) Although, in my experience, at least, "no skin off my back/nose" is more common than "sweat off my brow", but I'm sure it's highly regional and idiosyncratic.
@OlegValter Heh. True enough. You and I have focused on completely opposite sides. I almost entirely missed the car.
@OlegValter I do... I was just wondering if you were meaning more like "ghetto" when you said "suburbs".
 
@CodyGray I am not sure if it helps to determine why, but I am left-handed :)
 
Ah! A sinister one! Of course; it explains everything.
 
@CodyGray well, not like "ghetto" but something like this ^
 
That is.... a densely packed urban area
So, definitely not a "suburb", but, yes, quite close to what I imagined that you meant: areas where people live, rather than business/entertainment districts.
 
yeah, I just did not have a better term for it - we do not have "suburbs" per se as you would understand them. Well, we do, but they are far and few between
@CodyGray yikes! My bad, yeah, thank you
 
4:17 AM
@OlegValter You don't have smaller, housing-only districts just outside of your large cities?
 
@CodyGray What I'm thinking of for example Chicago's L-train
 
@CodyGray that also really depends on where you go too - like, many people live very hard and unhappy lives here, so, well, they look and act grumpier than others. I see articles like "I went to Russian metro, and they do not even smile" from time to time, and the only thing I want to note is "why would they? They go to/from a shitty job, to a shitty home, via densely packed public transport, and their commute takes about an hour one way "
but everyone I know is open, jovial and cheerful - I am probably one of the most grumpy ones
 
@CodyGray your idea of "suburb" are sparse townhouses with lawns where houses are far enough from each other that you might not actually interact with the neighbors.
 
@CodyGray mmm, I'd say that's the other way around - you are more likely to see townhouses around the largest cities - but they cost a ton of money
 
@OlegValter Right, of course.
Not sure what y'all mean by "townhouses".
In American English, that's a small mini-house (often multi-tenant, thought only 2-3 tenants, not like an apartment or condominium) as would be commonly found in a densely-packed urban area, not a suburb.
Yes, suburbs have relatively large houses with lawns. But not so far apart that you don't have neighbors.
 
4:25 AM
@CodyGray well, I think of something like this when I say "townhouse" (maybe it is not correct?):
 
Yes. 4 small houses, smushed up together as part of a single building.
That seems correct.
Hmm. When I said "smaller, housing-only districts", I didn't mean the housing was smaller. I meant that the district was smaller.
 
I think I should've probably used the term "villa" (for what I was thinking about when I said "but they cost a ton of money")
 
@OlegValter smaller, townhouse isn't the right term maybe. Small 1 or 2 story individual homes on individual lots.
@OlegValter that's an Italian loan word from Roman times.
A Villa was in fact a humongous house that would make today's millionaires blush.
 
Correct.
Still basically what "villa" means today in English.
 
so... @CodyGray, what do you think of when you say "suburbs"?
 
4:29 AM
Very large, lavish, upper-class country home
@OlegValter Already defined... smaller, housing-only districts just outside of the large cities
I mean, I could give examples, but I doubt that would help, unless you'd been to the US.
 
@CodyGray thanks, was making sure - well, I suppose the closest to that would be municipalities such as Pushkin, Peterhof, Pavlovsk, and, well, those are indeed not what I meant. I guess the term usage is, indeed, incorrect
 
@CodyGray my idea of a bus ride through Lisabon.
@OlegValter ^^ is the band Russian? (cc @Scratte)
 
@bad_coder nope :)
Ukranians
 
@OlegValter any clue?
 
it is a well-known song:
Ty Zh Mene Pidmanula or Pidmanula, Pidvela is a popular humorous Ukrainian folk song. The name literally translates as "you tricked me and let me down". There are many different variations of the song, but all have pretty much the same format. Traditionally, it is about a man complaining to his girlfriend because she tells him she will meet him somewhere on each day of the week. Each day, the person shows up and his girlfriend does not. The tune is adopted from another famous Ukrainian song, "Yikhav Kozak za Dunaj". == Example of lyrics == == Performances == The song has been performed ...
 
4:38 AM
@bad_coder Is that... real? Or is that just a movie?
 
ahhh Ukranians...That's what I would have thought.
 
That's crazy to me. You would never see something like that in the US, unless it was in a movie and people were all acting.
 
@CodyGray man...That was the last movie by the best ever Portuguese film director finished on the year he died. (He's the old man in the hat.)
 
Manoel de Oliveira? (the director)
 
@OlegValter João César Monteiro. (Those were the two greats, this one was the alternative one.)
 
4:44 AM
@bad_coder thanks!
 
@CodyGray well, riding the bus around here isn't much different. And if you don't like a musician playing the accordion in a public transportation, you've never been to the Paris metro.
 
A busker would be kicked off of public transportation in the US
Even in the largest, most tourist-y cities like New York.
 
@bad_coder huh, ours usually play in the metro too - usually either a violin or guitar
no one in the buses, though - I think they would be kicked off too. But mostly because we still employ human ticket inspectors that would probably be very pissed off about it :(
 
It's just... annoying.
People get on buses because they have stuff to do. They are focused on that stuff. They do not want a bunch of extra noise and distractions. Buses are noisy enough.
 
@OlegValter my kind of town.
 
4:51 AM
If you want to listen to music, you stick your pair of little white bugs into your ears ;-)
 
@bad_coder :) not always, but you can find them in the junctions of most major stations
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@CodyGray do I have to explain the pleasure of coming across a human being who happens to be a musician and is playing?
 
Out of context?
Yeah.
The same way as you'd have to explain the pleasure of anyone doing anything cool, but in an inappropriate setting.
 
@CodyGray the street is an appropriate setting, and public transportation a way of going through the street.
 
Meh
I'm not really sure the street is an appropriate setting, either
And definitely public transportation is not
You are just being annoying: you are making noise.
What if someone wants to sleep on the bus?
What if they are trying to listen to something? Say, a podcast, or an important meeting?
It is extremely inconsiderate of others.
 
4:59 AM
@OlegValter I hope it doesn't die out. There's a festival of street arts in a town I know. I remember the first time I saw a barber shop quartet live from the US who had flown in to play in the middle of the street. An amazing experience when I least expected it.
@CodyGray then they'll have to say: I'm in public transportation and a musician is playing.
 
I don't have much luck talking to podcasts.
 
@CodyGray who cares about podcasts :P
 
Right. I mean, that's the thing, though.
You and the noise-maker clearly do not care about others or what they want to do with their time, because you are not respecting it.
And I think that's selfish and wrong.
 
@CodyGray never heard anyone complaining.
 
Where do you complain?
 
5:03 AM
@CodyGray there's a book to write the complaint.
 
Hah
So it must happen often
 
@CodyGray people can't be bothered to complain about live music, especially if the music is good.
 
That's completely untrue.
 
@bad_coder heh, no, thankfully, I do not think it will die out :) The government (for once) is even looking for ways to make them "official" (they already did that in Moscow, methinks) so as they don't need to shoo them from time to time.
 
For one thing, the definition of "good" is highly subjective.
 
5:04 AM
@CodyGray 2 Friday's ago I found a really good band playing in a park under a tree, hope I'll find them again there.
@OlegValter absolutely, give them a union. (From what I heard they can do well.)
@CodyGray that's funny, because most of the time I find a street band they're playing things I had never heard.
 
What would that have to do with anything?
 
@CodyGray by the time they're finished playing I'm still surprised and haven't finished making up my mind if I like it. But I can't remember any street musician that didn't play good music :P
 
Wow.
Just wow.
 
ok, incorrect. I normally like it in the first few seconds.
 
Either you like everything, or you live in a very different world.
 
5:08 AM
I like lots of music.
@OlegValter ahh I miss the theater...
@CodyGray hey, I hear the Greek are huge theater lovers. Desertnaut probably comes across improvised theater plays in the street. That must be something...
 
Improvised theatre plays?
Surely, you are not being serious.
(It is difficult for me to tell sometimes.)
 
@CodyGray I don't mean improvised, I mean represented without a stage or a room.
 
Right. Either way.
 
@CodyGray yeah, it would be something out of the ordinary. That's why I wonder if they have it.
@CodyGray that could actually work, half improvised. I wonder where that's been done...
 
5:31 AM
@bad_coder that... is probably not what they will do knowing my government, but it might be something (given that currently they are short of being illegal)
 
@CodyGray ok, I just remembered...Riding the public transport in so many possible settings...The musician wouldn't really bother me with all the people who are around playing with their phones doing strange sounds. And lets not forget, a full bus is noisy enough not to mention the engine might be just a few inches under your seat.
And the long train rides after a week's work... I'd sleep my power nap after embarking even if a symphonic orchestra were playing in the carriage.
And the metro... I mean, I couldn't have a conversation in between stops if the interlocutor were sitting next to me. The musician would be the least troubling noise source.
@CodyGray ahh, and the packed bus in 35ºC degree heat... People going to the beach, the revolt of folks screaming from the bus stop they're left stranded, the bus driver screaming back saying there's no more room. A few forcing their way through the door, the threat of calling the police if they don't get off...
 
It's chaos and terrible already, so why not make it worse?
 
A few more exalted passagers, threatening to throw the just embarked overcrowded folks off themselves...They screaming back it's the last bus and they need to get home. The caos, the uncertainty, the pressure of it all...
We shall have a meeting in Bangladesh @CodyGray
@Scratte ^^ @OlegValter
 
5:53 AM
Again, I never know the extent to which you don't get it versus you are just being humorous.
Bangladesh has its share of problems.
 
6:17 AM
o/
I got another job offer :D
 
Oh, that's nice!
 
Thank you :D
 
There are at least two bugs here.
(1) Diamond moderator actions should not push posts into reopen review.
(2) Edits by the close-voter should not push posts into reopen review.
 
wait, do you get the same checkbox as normal people?
 
Sigh. That's bug #3.
I do see the checkbox. It is checked. It is also disabled, so that I cannot change it.
 
6:27 AM
oh...
 
The first time this happened, I assume that the bug was that it was shown checked, when it should be unchecked. But, since it was disabled, I just went with it.
Later, I found out that that put the post into the reopen review queue, so this time, I specifically waited so that I could force it back out as soon as it showed up there.
 
sigh
on the note of the checkbox - I thought it would be fairly obvious to show to the submitting user the exact review link after their "significant edit" goes through, but nope
 
Nah, I disagree. No point in that.
However, it should automatically cast a "vote" to reopen on behalf of the user who submits that. Because, duh.
Don't enable that checkbox if you wouldn't be voting for reopening.
 
@CodyGray why not? I would understand that it showed nothing, but it shows "in review", why not make it lead to the review as well?
 
Eh, I guess so, but only because the UI basically demands it, according to what you're saying.
I'm just saying it's not an essential feature.
 
6:33 AM
casting a vote on behalf of the user is, well, yeah, a good idea - if I am editing and explicitly check that the edit should resolve the closure, I want it to be reopen too. Unless I do not have the privilege but that is a matter of a one small guard
@CodyGray yeah, not at all essential :) that is why I said "fairly obvious" - as something I'd do "just while I am here"
 
Yeah
It's (A) convenience, but, even more importantly to me: (B) enforcement of the decision.
I also think that casting VLQ flags should cast downvotes on behalf of the user.
Your choices should be binding, in other words.
If you don't mean what you say and aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is, don't say it.
 
my only worry is that if they do that, they will forget to check for privilege :)
 
Yeah
I don't know, I am not overly fussed about that.
I mean, users can vote to reopen their own question, even if they don't have the privileges to do so otherwise.
 
it does seem like a reasonable right to give the author, yeah (although I wonder what is the data behind it - I mean, how many authors cast the first vote to reopen, and how many of those are after edits)
 
6:50 AM
I don't think it has to be after an edit
 
oh, no, just would be nice to know how many are
 

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