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1:57 AM
Hey guys
new nomination>
pong
 
 
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4:34 AM
@Scratte Y'all didn't do very well on that! The election chat room beat you handily.
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@OlegValter Is it already on your to-do list to build a JS framework (primarily for the purposes of building userscripts) that can manage user configuration options? Seems like it would be nice to have something reusable there, instead of building it as a one-off each time. Bonus points if the framework provided the configuration interface, and multiple scripts could "plug in" to it.
 
5:35 AM
Freaking !important!!!!
Main site:
Meta site:
Note how the "Helpful" link is not styled differently from the "Decline" link?
Well, that's because red is the default link color for the SO Meta site.
And I've added the s-btn__link class to those buttons so that they line up with the text.
s-btn__link's color overrides the other button color styles. :-(
Oh, but actually, not because it is !important for a change.
Just because of its position in the file.
Because there's no way to get things in a reasonable position when you use one-class-per-style.
 
6:15 AM
Hrm. Finally had an opportunity to test the migration code. It isn't working.
Ah, fixed it.
Was doing a comparison against the string "false" for xhr.Success, instead of the literal false.
Have I mentioned before that I hate weakly- and stringly-typed languages? :-)
 
 
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9:30 AM
@CodyGray yes, I wanted to tell you that the response I got contained Success as boolean and not string :(
 
@OlegValter What stopped you?
More importantly: why do I need Oleg to tell me, instead of a compiler? :-(
 
@CodyGray slipped my mind during the discussion :(
@CodyGray yeah, that sometimes leads to a lot of trouble. Not sure how the compiler could tell you what the response from the API would be, though :( However, if the code was at least in TypeScript, you would've gotten an error given the package containing type definitions for API responses, so I suppose it could tell you
 
Right
Something like that
I mean, I kinda don't get it
Why didn't JS just do magic type conversion at run-time and conclude equality?
"false" == false
Once you import magic; to your language, you need to go all the way.
 
oh, I think it is because you told it not to
=== drops all type conversions
== wouldn't help you either, though :(
coercion rules of JS are weird
ugh, I awfully overslept, there is a lot transcript to go through :(
@CodyGray yeah, I've experienced the same "revelation" (but in reverse) when building a small userscript that allows removing custom filters without scrolling half the page - it was quite surprising to see the trash can icons go blue on the main site
 
9:45 AM
You have trash can icons on the main site??!
I don't even have a trash can icon!
@OlegValter It's just Kevin and some one-boxes about the sexual maturation of jellyfish.
 
@CodyGray well, I have several reusability projects planned, to be honest. One is API types (done), another is client-side types for SE's global objects (done with @double-beep), another is reusable helpers for requesting the API (in progress), and, finally, one for creating Stacks elements dynamically without writing boilerplate or template strings (in progress). UI config wasn't among them, but it now is :)
 
Creating Stacks elements dynamically without template strings doesn't really seem all that useful to me... but maybe I lack creativity.
 
I mean, it's simple enough already that I can do it, so.... seems unnecessary to have a library.
@OlegValter Oh, lovely. An icon that means "delete". Except... a different icon than the one that normally means "delete" and is used elsewhere on the site.
 
@CodyGray oh, that's only because SE uses it for deleting custom filters to avoid breaking expectations:
 
9:52 AM
Right. I was talking about SE's choice to use it.
For what it's worth, I've never used custom filters.
 
well, as you can see, I have 3 of them :) And haven't used even one of them in a year, so yeah
 
You've stopped using GAS in favor of DIESEL?
(I am in a weird mood. Irritated by hunting down plagiarism...)
 
@CodyGray well, the idea is to avoid bloating the source code with this:
const makeStacksToast = (
    id: string,
    text: string,
    {
        buttons = [],
        classes = [],
        msgClasses = [],
        type = "none",
        important = false,
    }: StacksToastOptions = {}
) => {
    const wrap = document.createElement("div");
    wrap.classList.add("s-toast", ...classes);
    wrap.setAttribute("aria-hidden", "true");
    wrap.setAttribute("role", "alertdialog");
    wrap.setAttribute("aria-labelledby", "notice-message");
    wrap.id = id;

    const aside = document.createElement("aside");
 
Why not just write the HTML?
I personally find that style much easier to read.
 
@CodyGray avoids the overhead of parsing the HTML string (+performance), uses the more idiomatic way of interacting with the DOM and allows for easy extension with event listeners and such without using selectors after parsing :)
 
9:56 AM
Ah.
I conveniently forgot that the HTML string still had to be parsed. :-)
 
@CodyGray nah, I am not mature enough for Rust
 
That makes sense.
You have to be pretty old to Rust.
 
ironically enough:
 
Why does that need a "rust-" prefix, when there is no tag?
cc @Scratte, because ruining your day puts a smile on my face :-)
 
10:12 AM
@CodyGray I think it might've gone through disambiguation process - I vaguely remember something
 
You just need a spark?
I see no evidence on MSO
 
@CodyGray this looks like something from PHP SME's territory, not sure why they had a JS tag. But does not seem opinion-based either, must've been the trigger word
 
In other words: you agree with me? :-)
 
@CodyGray wait, how can the above ruin @Scratte's day?
@CodyGray heh
 
@OlegValter He gets very frustrated with wrong closures, wrong review outcomes, etc.
 
10:15 AM
@CodyGray no, I do not, just something strangely familiar crossed my mind
 
.mod-flair { font-size: 1.15384615rem; }
Well, that's incredibly precise.
 
It is likely a percentage in the source code that is compiled to a static value
 
Well, yeah, but that's boring.
I was preferring the imagery of Aaron sitting there playing with the inspector, figuring out precisely which value looked the best.
 
don't worry, they might be doing just that :) It was what sane people would do, and, well...
 
Trying 1.1538462rem, and then saying, "No, this doesn't look quite right yet... let's split the difference..."
 
10:31 AM
@CodyGray That kind of looks like you :O
 
@CodyGray I won't sleep today :(
 
@OlegValter Why?
 
@CodyGray I just imagined that. And I don't like having nightmares
 
Oh
It is not a nightmare. It is a comic short!
"A Day In The Life"
 
But.. it's so cute. And imagine if every time Cody felt old they would just respawn? :)
We'd also have lots and lots of little Cody-clones..
@CodyGray Yes. That does ruin my day. How can 6 people decide that it's bad? It seems one didn't like the word "best" and the rest just follows along :(
 
10:38 AM
@Scratte Plenty of good mod candidates, then
 
@Scratte that's spawn, not re-spawn :)
 
@OlegValter How do you know they didn't do it before?
 
I think the world may be coming to an end soon... I disagreed with Jeanne today.
@JeanneDark I think they know that, and they're asking specifically for our help with improving their questions. — Cody Gray ♦ 4 hours ago
But! This was too funny:
@CodyGray Thanks. I understand. The OP is asking for specific advice on how to improve at least 5 questions. — Jeanne Dark 4 hours ago
 
10:54 AM
@Scratte I see only one Cody running around :) and sometimes even 0 of them
 
Maybe... when you see 0 of them is when the re-spawn is taking place?
 
@CodyGray is you agreeing with Jeanne a universal law of physics? :)
 
Close enough
 
well, the danger seems to have been avoided due to a correcting comeback
 
@CodyGray While you were away, Jeanne has strayed in a different direction?
 
10:57 AM
Seems so
@Scratte I don't think so
 
@CodyGray I have some theories.. but I'll hold my tongue.
 
Oh no!
Theories?
Now I'm curious. Curioser and curioser...
 
Be happy you're not a cat then ;)
 
meow!
 
I am not a cat
 
11:00 AM
I'm assuming it was curiosity that made the cat to into the box.. or it's just what cat do with boxes, I'm not entirely sure.
 
@CodyGray that's what a cat would say meow!
 
I don't think we have any boxes
Unless you mean ElectionBot
 
no, it's just a can
 
That can't be right
 
It does look like a box. And it has a lid. Just don't open it :)
 
11:01 AM
I want to know what Scratte's theories are!
 
you'll probably find me in it
 
Definitely don't open it! ;-)
 
exactly :)
 
I've not perfected my theory.. but it involves foot-wear.
 
You disagreed with me vehemently on multiple occasions when presented with that theory.
 
11:03 AM
I do not remember that. Maybe I have traumatic amnesia.
 
Was it not you who refused to believe that it is my sockpuppet account?
 
I still do.. I think it's not yours.
 
Ah, I see.
Who else's could it be?!
 
Someone with a not very active main account.. who isn't too busy with work.
Or who deleted their main account, but started to miss the action here.
 
I have not been able to match the writing style or attitude up with any other accounts in my memory base.
 
11:06 AM
Or.. plot twist: It's a very close relative of someone prominent on the site.
 
Like maybe a bespectacled moderator?
 
Could be.. but I was thinking someone older.
 
Ah, hmm. Why would it need to be someone older?
 
I imagine you do not have a 20 year old son.
 
You do not believe they are female, then?
You do not believe that it is someone's little sister who is a computer science student?
 
11:09 AM
because @Scratte is secretly both ageist and sexist who thinks young women can be that good :)
 
Yeah.
 
[runs and hides in the corner]
 
@CodyGray Could be.. but I think the avatars are too female. I got a feeling they want to appear so, which makes me think they are not.
 
Wouldn't it make sense that a female would choose a feminine avatar?
 
Kind of like how you try to hide that you're really a squid.
 
11:10 AM
Or maybe you just can't tell the difference between a squid and a jellyfish?
 
@CodyGray Maybe I'm overestimating their maturity. I'd imagine a female not trying to find the most pretty girls to put on there.. and a site predominantly male.
@CodyGray You could be a merge of them. Makes it hard to tell which one, no? :D
 
A merge of a squid and a jellyfish?
That sounds ... messy
 
@CodyGray tell Jeanne Scratte thinks they are "most pretty" :)
 
but also immature :-(
 
@CodyGray A squiddyfish.
 
11:13 AM
a... jellysquid?
 
I like squiddyfish
 
dang :(
 
@OlegValter None of the images are of themselves. It's all actresses from years gone.
 
I mean, clearly they're trying to maintain some degree of anonymity.
But imagine if you really were a beautiful, whip-smart woman attending college as a computer science student... Would you not want to preserve your identity?
 
It could even be a social experiment to see how people on Stack reacts to them. Only the experiment didn't turn out to be useful, but they kept the account and starting posting links to duplicates instead.
 
11:15 AM
 
@Scratte That sounds like far more useful of an experiment to me.
 
@Scratte Jon Skeet already conducted that experiment
^ this is not a joke, btw
 
Scratte thinks it's Skeet's little sister anyway
Wait, no. Little bro.
 
@CodyGray Not if it bothered me.. then I'd put an avatar of something else.
 
11:16 AM
@OlegValter Cody!.. I see you! :)
 
@Scratte I did not refer to the images :)
 
Well.. that didn't get a lot of responses.
 
@OlegValter I think... that is neither a squid nor a jellyfish (nor even a squiddyfish). That is plankton or a diatom.
 
@CodyGray Sorry.. you as a baby :)
 
11:20 AM
@CodyGray looks like a glass squid to me
 
@OlegValter It's just a tiny squiddyfish :)
 
How cute. It's like it hides in there.. Like a snail has a home :)
 
It would very nice to have a place to hide, sometimes.
 
@Scratte yes, it actually does
cool, huh?
 
11:25 AM
Next time Cody is grumpy I'm just going to picture that in my head :D
With it's little head all the way in and the voice echoing in the walls inside.
 
Why would I ever do anything else?
 
Not sure.. is there ink in those two "arms"? :)
 
11:42 AM
@Scratte are they ever grumpy?
 
@Scratte My avatar???
:P
 
@OlegValter :O Do cats meow? :)
@U12-Forward Right.. you're also a sea creature :)
 
Lol
 
@Scratte Only some of them.
 
@Scratte depends on who you ask - I prefer talking, for example :)
 
11:46 AM
@OlegValter Could have fooled me. Looks more like typing ;)
 
Booty! Give us a kiss :)
 
I prefer typing
 
@Scratte oh, so that's what they mean by " like cat on a keyboard " :)
 
@Shree
 
I'm not an expert, but that seems to be a little lacking a minreprex ;)
 
^^ somebody shoot that squirrel :)
 
12:05 PM
Booty!.. You're getting called upon :)
Of course if you think someone should remove the message, you could ask our friendly squiddyfish ;)
 
You want me to remove the squirrel?
 
The message != the squirrel ;P
Argh!.. I'm getting JavaScriptyfied :(
 
I think, as moderators, we prefer to remove problems at their source?
 
Right.. go put that head in your cocoon and listen to the echo! :)
 
It sounds like the ocean!
 
12:21 PM
Nice :) Shree posted an Answer :) ..which I hope will be un-deleted as soon at the markdown issues are worked out :)
 
hahahaa, was just thinking the same thing
 
12:32 PM
Nice and to the point, if I may say so.. :)
 
I usually am, but thanks :-)
 
@OlegValter Thanks. Done.
 
Wait.. Shree is your sockpuppet too?
 
No
 
12:50 PM
:)
 
Why is that useful?
 
Scratte is learning Linux, so that might help them.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Oh! Thank you. That looks like the long version of a cheat sheet :)
 
Yes, it's very long. :D
 
1:03 PM
@KevinM.Mansour "101 Linux commands"
 
@Scratte ?
 
So I can find it again :) Using text search in chat.
 
Oh. OK.
 
Chat search is tricky..
 
@Shree Nice answer. Cody Gray started to teach you before you even join the team. ;)
 
1:06 PM
:P
 
 
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2:16 PM
they are not lazy, they are smart ;) — MolbOrg Sep 9 '16 at 22:49
^ They are a friendly bunch. ;) CC @OlegValter
I liked the whole post, especially this comment.
 
This only confirms that Russians rarely smile, and even when they do, it looks awkward :-/ — ddbug Sep 10 '16 at 14:20
That one was my favorite :-)
 
Sep 11 at 20:02, by Oleg Valter
do I ever joke?
^ Yes, Oleg Valter confirmed by themselves that they don't joke. ;)
 
 
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3:38 PM
@CodyGray that's my favourite too :) albeit it is incorrect
 
Your non-smiling faces don't look awkward?
 
@KevinM.Mansour I put jokes aside all the time
 
@OlegValter :)
 
@CodyGray rather that we do smile often :) it look rather odd, I will give them that
 
A Russian smiling? Surely, that looks very odd! ;-)
 
3:40 PM
@KevinM.Mansour I would also say that I post them all the time, but nobody gets them, so I delete them
 
@OlegValter Where?
 
see? Nobody gets them
 
You forget that I see deleted things?
 
@CodyGray delete method definition does not say anything about visibility :)
 
3:46 PM
I am not sure that I understand.
I don't see many deleted messages from you.
 
Ok, so...
I would also say that I POST them all the time, but nobody GETs them, so I DELETE them :)
 
Hmm.
"false"
 
"true"?
 
That was the value I returned.
I returned it as a string, just because.
 
still better than returning user ids as numbers
 
3:54 PM
How??!!
An ID is logically a number!
It's not my fault JS converts every number to a float.
 
4:22 PM
so, now that I am semi-comfortably settled at my mainframe... :)
I disagree that an ID is logically a number - it is just something that allows to uniquely identify an entity
if IDs were really numbers, it would make sense to perform mathematical operations on them
 
Mainframe?
 
it does make sense to store them as numbers
 
It does make sense to perform mathematical operations on them!
 
@CodyGray not the one you are thinking of :)
I jokingly call my PC a "mainframe"
 
I can get the next thing posted by adding 1. And the previous thing posted by subtracting 1. Those are mathematical operations. Perhaps not the same kind of math done by a mainframe...
 
4:25 PM
that's assuming your ids are sequential, which is only a subset of ids
 
Which IDs are we talking about? The ones on Stack Exchange? They're all sequential.
 
now, I agree it makes sense to store them as numbers, but I disagree it makes sense to serve them as such
@CodyGray eh, well, in general
 
/*watches goal posts move backwards/*
Ah OK. :-)
 
hmm?
33 mins ago, by Oleg Valter
still better than returning user ids as numbers
 
Moving the goal posts... An idiom for changing the presumptions in the middle of a discussion
 
4:27 PM
I thought I did not?
 
User IDs are sequential, at least on Stack Exchange. I assume that's what we were talking about.
 
I have a brawl with many APIs that return entity ids (any entity) as numbers
not specifically SE
but including
wait, was your "false" somehow related to the SE API?
in 2021 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat, 33 mins ago, by Cody Gray
I'd prefer not to suspend anyone, so let's try something new: getting along.
^ what happened to you all of a sudden? :)
 
@OlegValter Oh. Yeah. I was making a joking reference to what I was complaining about earlier, returning a "false" string from an API.
That didn't imply SE, necessarily, but we're in an SE context here, so...
@OlegValter Meh. I like oguz. Even though he's a bigot, and I don't like that. I wish he would just give up that crusade and get along.
 
@CodyGray actually, I was quite surprised - I did not know their "view" on rainbows
 
They've kinda been plastering it all over the place. Twice now in the election chat. Also other places.
Mods have just cleaned it up.
 
4:36 PM
@CodyGray ah, yeah, thankfully, JSON.parse properly parses objects :) I stopped being explicit about boolean comparison long ago - saves me some trouble ( just doing A && B these days or if( A ) as, according to the language spec, the attempt to coerce will be done either way )
 
Once again, I have no idea what that means.
And, once again, I have one eye on sleeping instead of understanding JS :-)
 
@UserScriptersBot You are annoying.
 
@CodyGray yeah, well, I still do not exclude SE's API from the list :) My idea is that, ok, sure, use the sequential ids as numbers in the database, but please, serve something better, like a GUID. It also reduces he attack vector in case a malicious actor gets some access to your system - they will not be able to sequentially get all the information
 
You want them to use up all the GUIDs?! Save some for the rest of us, please!
There's no attack vector in being able to retrieve users...
 
4:39 PM
@CodyGray sorry, the election takes too much of my attention to go fix that - initially, it was just me forgetting to add word boundaries, but @Scratte liked the behavior, so I left it alone for now
 
It's matching on a keyword, I suppose?
I didn't know if it was just a timer-based thing.
That's weird that Scratte would like it. Normally, he doesn't like annoying things.
 
"ping" -> "pong", "pong" -> "ping", and "ping pong" is mirrored
guess where I forgot to add the boundaries :)
 
Ah
 
yeah, so it responds to any word that has ping or pong in it...
used to respond to me too
but that was too annoying
 
Love's stories written in love's richest books. To fan the moonbeams from his sleeping eyes.
 
4:41 PM
pong
 
Coward! Give me the daggers. Dead and sleeping people can’t hurt you any more than pictures can. Only children are afraid of scary pictures.
 
Take you me for a sponge, my lord?
 
Shakespeare's testing room to the left :)
 
4:42 PM
Did I take a wrong turn?
 
in ElectionBot Development, 2 days ago, by Oleg Valter
At least, the whisper goes so. Our last king,
yes :)
I've been thinking lately of rewriting the Closey bot and relaunch it in SOCVR to help weed out invalid requests as per room's rules. I bet quite a few go unnoticed
 
That's actually a good idea
Also.. just realized suspended users can't vote in the election. So that kinda sucks for them.
 
I've talked about it with Makyen a little, and they seemed approving too, so once I have some time, I'll likely do it - relying on the vigilance of ROs is ok, but an unnecessary burden
 
Agreed
 
@CodyGray heh, even in Russia prisoners can vote, I guess not on SE :)
 
4:51 PM
ROs would still need to make the final call, whether a request is binned and/or the user is tarred+feathered, but it's nice to have that information right there.
 
oh, I was thinking of a reply message with a reminder that the request is against a rule or a set of rules - I already did that for my extension that I use for generating SOCVR requests
 
No, that's fine. I was thinking that, too.
 
yeah it might help reduce the number of instances of incorrect closures - I've observed that pointing the violation early often helps save the questions while not doing so normally results in a closure regardless of validity
 
Mhmm...
 
not your impression?
 
4:56 PM
No, that was an "I strongly agree with this, and have been frustrated by the same on multiple occasions" type of "mhmm".
Was it not clear to you?
 
no :)
 
Hmm
Mhmm...
 
noted :) Actually, I think this is the first time I see the "Mhmm" used
ok, the second time
 
I just use it to mean "yeah, agreed"
 
yesterday, by Cody Gray
Mhmm. I hope so.
well, at least I now know what it means, thanks!
 
5:25 PM
heh, nice to see a question that asks for more moderation for a change
 
 
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7:18 PM
@OlegValter What did I miss about praying mantises and rainbows?
@CodyGray Please don't hurt Booty's feelings.
 
8:09 PM
@Scratte Probably some CoC breaching behaviour towards to a nominee. I assume. I know something happened but I don't much care for the specifics. Whatever it is, I think it's probably better now than it was before mods stepped in.
 
Sometimes what's imagined is much worse than reality.. which makes for unconscious assumptions later on.
I'm not sure you noticed, but I had a strange linux question, that may have turned out to be a bash bug.
 
@Scratte No, I've not noticed.
I can see it's not a Q on SO, tough.
 
It starts with I have linux question ..and it turns out I accidentally put the redirect part in the middle of a command. And it worked. Not the way I wanted it to, but it gave a result.
@VLAZ Ehh.. yeah, that's not even on topic for Stack Overflow :)
 
@Scratte To answer the question: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Might not be a bug. Might be some sort of Bash feature. But I'm not aware what it is, if it exists.
 
Well.. the last bit of the "thread" is that the linux mint community told me to submit a bug report, since they couldn't make that happen with other commands.
 
8:24 PM
Also might be a bug. TBH, I don't see how it even really is supposed to work.
I know than some times pipes behave weird but have no real knowledge of why or how.
If I were to guess, the content from the first date is completely ignored in favour of the content of the second date. But I don't know how the filename is being chosen if that's the case.
 
It seems to make it into a: command redirect-to-file paramater-for-command
Because if I change the command, it complains about the parameter.
 
8:44 PM
@Scratte it is already settled, but it was a bit... ugly, let's put it that way
@Scratte 'tis ok, I'll make it a bit less annoying soon
 
@OlegValter Nooooo!.. :'(
@OlegValter Read on. I'm imagining really horrible things said in a comment or two.
We have a new fire on meta btw..
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Q: long running simple questions may be giving users too much reputation, is there any method to prevent this?

AbhishekStack Overflow is a place for people to ask questions and even though Stack Overflow has been dragged through the mud regarding its very harsh starting conditions where new users are treated poorly I believe that it is somewhat essential to building a professional standard but there is a flaw in ...

 
@Scratte I mean I know exactly what happened, I was present :) but let's probably not go into it too deep
were we dragged through the mud? I did not notice
funny thing is... I agree with their (the meta fire author, not a certain mantis) core premise. However, it is overshadowed by the overly antagonistic delivery
 
@OlegValter Just the high reputation users that just got there due to posting 10 years ago that are now downvoting and posting toxic comments on new users..
@OlegValter Yes.. They had me at a few posts that just accumulates reputation for them without them doing anything new. The lost me on everything else.
 
[re: above mess] just to clarify before it is going to be used against it someday :)
@Scratte yeah, this is a great example of "presentation is the key". Getting every imaginable site privilege because you posted a novice GIT question 10 years ago is... ridiculous. However, it is also not the root cause of sometimes overly hostile behavior
 
I'm in a good mood. A message in the election chat had me go looking for "Vaya Con Dios" and it's bringing back memories :)
 
8:57 PM
have you heard the rendition by Julia London?
 
@OlegValter Huh? Is that a singer?
 
yes, the singer :)
I know, it can be confusing
just search Vaya Con Dios by her
 
That seems to be completely different from: The Best of Vaya con Dios
 

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