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12:04 AM
it probably should be, though
 
Yes, that's kind of why I mentioned it ;)
I feel that Catija is a bit closer to the process than I am..
 
I would add a caveat to that. I don't see why votes (of any kind) should age away if the post hasn't been edited since the vote was cast.
 
that is a reasonable caveat
 
@cigien In either case it's inconsistent. I kind of feel that they should age away at some point.
 
well, @cigien raises an interesting point - why should they age away if nothing about the post has changed other than time passed?
 
12:08 AM
You can easily have a post with a delete vote from 6 years ago. That doesn't make any sense to me. If would even strange if it had 2 close votes on it for so long. I'd kind of assume that if no one in that time didn't cast another vote, the votes shouldn't be valid anymore.
@OlegValter Because the votes are cast at a time where the site has a policy. That policy is not set in stone.
Urgh!.. I'm seeing "ITNOA" on a post.. and I don't know what that is.
 
@Scratte I see - who is determining that the policy has changed, though?
@Scratte In The Name of Architecture?
 
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sorosh_sabzITNOA I see many question about Visual Studio or about tmux or other tools and development environment, but In one of my question about Windows Terminal and tmux, someone say like below it was almost certainly because the question is off-topic here. Questions on Stack Overflow should be about "...

 
Yes, master?
 
Huh?
Is my flirting working? :)
@OlegValter The policy changes slowly over time no? Partly by the community and partly by new close reasons.
It's a signature! Their own signature.. on all of their posts.
I remember a meta post about this. (not them, but someone else doing this)
 
12:34 AM
About delete votes. It should at the very least be possible to retract them.
 
Yes, master?
Yes, master?
 
@Scratte While policy has changed for some kinds of questions, for the vast majority of questions it hasn't. As to why a vote would just hang around, that's just because not enough users came upon it. There are plenty of questions around that had votes on it age away, and that were never on-topic on the site.
 
1:07 AM
@Scratte wow
 
I can't find the previous meta post about a similar case where a user added some gibberish to all of their posts like a signature. I asked about this in SOCVR and no one seems to be able to find that that. But two users seems to remember it.
 
@Scratte no, it's my mummy powers propagating across rooms :)
I was testing an ElectionBot update with USB credentials
 
USB credentials? Is that like credentials on a USB drive?
 
something like that :)
@Scratte ah, I don't really wanted to counter that :) just gently nudged the discussion but the wild carrot seems to have left the premises
 
USB credentials ??
 
1:22 AM
@Scratte it looks like a greeting, but I took a look, and... nope, does not seem to be.
 
I remember that one, yeah
 
Heh.. yes, lots of people remember it and it was insanely hard to find :(
What puzzles me is that Makyen edited that post.. but left it in.
 
@Scratte fun fact - the user seems to have stopped adding search terms
@Scratte I think they might be just as puzzled :)
 
@OlegValter lol! That would be too funny :)
 
1:28 AM
yeah :) the user from the above meta post at least had a system, this is just a peculiar nonsense at the start of their posts, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maybe it's just one of those things nobody is supposed to know what it means
What on earth does "ITNOA" mean? Can't find any reference to it online. — Folling Jun 27 '20 at 12:24
 
^ yup.. found that. And they didn't reply. Just like they did not reply to my inquiry about it on meta.
 
more importantly, they've been doing that... for a decade
and on multiple sites. 2013, Software Engineering:
what does "ITNOA" mean? — gnat Nov 15 '13 at 9:06
 
Hmm.. so. Someone should post on meta and ask what to do about this?
 
and here you go, the explanation:
@gnat It means In the name of Allah. :) Allah means God. — sorosh_sabz Nov 15 '13 at 9:17
 
Noooo! That is worse than I thought
 
1:32 AM
it is :)
 
That probably need a moderator to handle it.. because they are unlikely to stop that.
 
@Scratte they've been doing this nearly a decade, what do you think? :) Seems like it does not bother many, though
 
@OlegValter I think that is not true. I think people wonder about it and it's clearly in violation of the Help Center guidelines. It's religious fluff.
 
@Scratte oh, no, that's not what I meant, sorry - they do not roll edits that remove the fluff back, they can be safely edited out
 
lol!. We can ask Dharman to add it to the edit bot :D
Perhaps the ritual is to add it and not to keep it..
 
1:38 AM
probably :) so yeah, I think they are harmless, but will very likely not stop if pressured
 
I'm pretty sure they will keep adding it to every post.. no matter who contacts them.
I was going to ping Makyen and ask about the edit.. but I figured that they would not appreciate it.
 
I'm almost sure Cody would have a chat with them.
I think I know what my Question to the candidates should have been :D
@OlegValter Very close.. ;) But no cigar..
2 delete votes already:
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Q: Do you think this community has gotten more toxic?

KayakinKoderI'm a "senior dev" as the tagline goes, and numerous times when I've suggested to a younger dev that they ask the SO community their response has been "I really don't like asking questions there, many of the responders are toxic" Personally I've gotten a LOT of great help here, and hopefully help...

 
2:17 AM
@Scratte +1 from my side :)
 
@Shree I think it's a very bad idea to delete this post.
Argh!.. it's gone :(
The deletions of this type of meta post has to stop.
 
Toxic content must be removed.
We are a questioning format, and Meta raises issues for the site without expressing an opinion or blaming anyone.
If someone has a problem with the site you know better....
 
2:40 AM
@Shree It's not toxic at all.
We also discussed with with Cody and cigien and there's no reason to delete this post.
And even if there is something toxic in it, deleting this just makes people angry with the site.. and one of those people is me. Because ordinary users are wasting the time of others.. a lot of work went into the post. By a lot of people.
It's this that makes me want to go on twitter and rant about how unwelcoming Stack Overflow is.. hos people try to hide everything by deleting it just so users like me cannot see it.
Now.. I have to waste even more time by taking a screen dump of the post.. I've been at it for over 10 minutes already :(
 
@Scratte Fair enough and agreed , cast reopen vote . Lets see what happen. 2 reopen vote.
 
3:00 AM
reopen? I think it doesn't need to be open :) But not deleted..
Hmm.. it's a very long post. I just got this: Your image is too large to upload (over 2 MiB)
It's 5 in the morning for me..
 
8.43 AM \o/
 
Have you been awake all night?
 
@Scratte Reopen is not mean non delete ?
 
@Shree No.. I think close/reopen is a pair.. and delete/un-delete is a pair :)
 
Or I am missing something here .
Naaa
 
3:06 AM
Maybe I am wrong. I don't have those privileges.
 
@Scratte Uh, wut? I would help, but... I cannot understand what any of that means.
 
@CodyGray I just noticed your name in the Answer.. and then on the Question, so I figured it's just put it here for you :)
 
@VLAZ When it comes to Meta, I do not see that there is any advantage of a full lock over a deletion. (I say "full lock" because things like comment-only locks are an obvious exception.) On the main site, it's different, because there might be lasting value in the posts. On Meta, nah.
 
@Scratte Yep I am . Developers story. Need 5 reopen vote. Just 2. If Cody is agree why he don't take action , arguable????
 
@CodyGray People like me tend to search for old post.
 
3:11 AM
@VLAZ Heh. I didn't do much of any reviewing when I nominated for moderator. The review queues aren't my cup of tea. I did a lot of curation on my tags of interest, whenever I came across stuff naturally/organically, but not in queues.
@Scratte But... why? What real value is there to be found on something that degenerated into something that we would consider locking or deleting?
 
@Shree I have no idea about that.. maybe still on the transcript? Changed mind?..
 
@OlegValter Uhh... yes? I meant gain. Which is amplification.
 
@CodyGray The real value is the content of the posts.. in this case only one person didn't behave. Everyone else did. And I'd probably search for this post a lot. Every time someone tell me we're toxic, I'd find that post..
 
@Scratte ?? It's belong with argue between + and -
 
@Shree That tends to be 0, no? :D
 
3:15 AM
@OlegValter Heh. You think that's stable! I still remember a huge uproar several years ago when they started making major (untested, natch) changes to the top bar.
 
I took a full screen dump. Only I can't upload it, because.. it's 980 X 18362 pixels :(
 
@OlegValter I went to visit the rapper.
@Scratte Probably should be flagged.... I don't care for these, either.
 
@Scratte Cody is respected mod and I know always to fail. Hats off for him .
 
@Scratte Did you at least stop making all of that noise??!
 
@Shree Yes :) Cody is :)
 
3:19 AM
@VLAZ Meh. Understood, but, why not focus on the real problem, which is that their question did not ask a question? And/or that it is not reasonably scoped? Why trot out the red herring of SO not being a coding service?
Y'all keep yer hats on. I'm still going through the transcript. I don't even know what you're talking about yet.
 
@CodyGray LOL!.. Good one. I knew the noise. I had heard it many times. A week later I found out what it was, but I didn't care to tell them..
 
@VLAZ You will find that most of the good questions are also asking for someone else to do their work for them. So, this is not the real issue. Find and focus on the real issue with these garbage dumps.
 
@CodyGray This user is a regular in SOCVR..
 
!!blame pumkin
 
@VLAZ Yes, please do flag these!
@Scratte Is there some kind of magic potion that SOCVR gives out that makes one immune from comment flags?
 
3:23 AM
@CodyGray Not really.. but I've tried to talk about it and they're unlikely to stop.
 
@Shree For what it's worth, it is something that I worry about for you, if you were to be elected as a moderator. I really like and respect you as a person. I think you have a great heart, you're very caring, you try to do the right thing, and you're here for the right reasons. You do great work in SOCVR, SOBotics, and elsewhere, trying to keep the site clean and make it a better place. As far as the "handling flags" (shoveling crap) portion of a diamond mod's job, you'd surely be just fine.
But, like Scratte was alluding to, mods are often called upon to do a lot more than that. We have to explain things to users, defuse tough situations, write suspension messages, etc. And I definitely think your limited English skills would hold you back there.
Of course, I hope you would get better over time. And mods do often specialize into different things (some mods moderate Meta more, some mods moderate chat more, some mods spend more time deleting NAA/VLA, some mods spend more time investigating sockpuppetry, etc.), so maybe you could specialize into stuff that didn't require as much writing.
I'm happy to see your nomination, though.
 
First non-rainbow to nominate :)
 
@Scratte What's "off" is the lack of commas in the list of options. Also, imperfect parallel structure (but that's minor). Sentence should be: "They should not be deleted unless they are incoherent, lack an explanation, or appear to be efforts at answering rather than genuine responses.
Although... there is still something off... Namely, why would "efforts at answering" need to be deleted? I suppose this was your point all along? :-)
@Scratte The blind leading the blind! :-p
 
@CodyGray two halfs can make a whole.. some times :D
@CodyGray I'm not sure that @Shree means that code-only Answers that lack explanation should be deleted.
 
o/
Looking good @Scratte @CodyGray :D
 
3:35 AM
I also don't think Shree means that "They should not be deleted unless they appear to be efforts at answering" Because that kind of mean that they should be deleted if they appear to be efforts at answering.. no?
 
I wanted to ask something... I clicked on a link on a spam email's link and now my chat app keeps trying to make requests to a site. I get an error like this (thankfully because of content-security policy):

main.js:formatted:44 Refused to load the script 'http://ahscdn.com/script/suv4.js?aDcPgiD=1&aDgRpiD=93&tAgaDiD=448&nsVnM=m1' because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "script-src 'default-src' 'self' 'unsafe-inline' 'unsafe-eval' https://kit.fontawesome.com". Note that 'script-src-elem' was not explicitly set, so 'script-src' is used as a fallback.
 
@Scratte Pretty sure that it is an initialism for an Islamic prayer or something.
 
@CodyGray So.. that's a yes :) That was my point :)
 
@CodyGray Thanks. I except why your suggestion is not appear ? @Scratte against me. It's difficult to hard. listen
 
@CodyGray Go on.. read more of the transcript :)
 
3:38 AM
DON'T click on that link: ahscdn.com/script/…
That is what started this for me
I tried running my browser in safe mode and it kinda worked...
 
@Shree I'm not against you. I think you'll do fine. I just explained that I worry you may find yourself in difficult situations if you have to talk to people and explain to them what they're doing wrong :)
 
@Shree I haven't had time to get back to review what happened with that situation on Meta.
@Scratte I hardly think a single example proves anything of the sort you'd be trying to prove.
If anything, it just adds fuel to the "see, everyone thinks you're toxic!" fire.
 
@CodyGray Well.. if we need more examples then deleting it is not going to help with that, is it? :)
 
@Scratte The thing about flags is, they don't require talking to the person whose comment you flagged.
 
@CodyGray That's true, but the comment only starts that way. But it's consistent.
 
3:42 AM
@Scratte Got there. :-)
@Scratte I don't think examples are the way to prove things.
 
@Sabito錆兎 Easiest solution: Uninstall your browser.. remove the folder with your stuff in it. Reinstall it..
 
Oh :(
Can you go to http://pigeon-chat-application.herokuapp.com/login/ and open the console to see if it makes that request for you too or not... Because I opened that link via firefox but I see that error appear in chrome too... so either my website has an issue (highly unlikely) or something on my computer is causing issues
 
@Sabito錆兎 I think it's attached to your browser now somehow. You can try to figure out how, but I think it's going to be more of a hazzle than just reinstalling it. I assume that your browser would not let it install in a different folder.
Wait.. this happens no matter which browser you're using?
 
Yes
I tried firefox, firefox dev and chrome
 
How do I know that it's not on your application? :)
 
3:51 AM
Yeah I am thinking that too. I think I'll try opening it in my old laptop
 
Hmm.. have you considered searching for the error?
 
If that doesn't happen then I am running a full windows defender scan
@Scratte No.. I mean the error is not the issue here.. it is a good thing as Content Security Policy is stopping that request... when I disable it or when I allow all domains the browser keeps redirecting me to that page and reloading my current page
 
pung
 
3:54 AM
@UserScriptersBot What purpose does this serve?
@Scratte :OOO
 
"It gets installed into the system without any users knowledge with the help of spam email attachments" <-- check..
"Once installed firstly it hijack well known web browsers like as Mozilla Firefox, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome, Safari, Edge and others" <-- check :)
 
Seems legit
 
"Being a potentially unwanted program" <--- LOL! potentially?!?
SpyHunter 5 is fine.. just get it from their official site. But.. it's not free.
 
Aah :(
 
There's a lot more on that page though.
I'd probably check out a few different sites and see if they agree.
 
4:02 AM
Yeah on it :)
 
But I am puzzled that it's on all your browsers.
 
Same :(
 
So.. all next page also says that you need to use disinfecter-software to get rid of it.
 
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again??
@Sabito錆兎 may I ask about the elephant in the room? :)
 
Of course :)
 
4:07 AM
do you know what I am about to ask? :)
 
Elections?
 
@Sabito錆兎 Well.. I don't think they're trying to scam you into getting antivirus software on your system.
I suppose you don't have a resent image of your disk..
 
how come you ended up clicking on a link in a spam email?
 
@Scratte I don't know... I was under the impression that windows 10 can handle it on its own
 
@Sabito錆兎 It's installed on your system now..
 
4:08 AM
@OlegValter 😂 boredom. Plus I have done it hundreds of times when I was active at CharcoalHQ
 
Did you try Windows defender?
 
@Scratte Not the full scan yet...
 
boredom??
 
Yeah I was on gmail and I was bored... :p
 
If there were an elephant in my room, I might click on the wrong link, too.
 
4:10 AM
So I was like meh let's see what happens
 
@CodyGray ah, now it makes sense!
 
@Sabito錆兎 Windows defender is fine.. but I think some of those other programs are a little smarter. Like.. I have an old version of SpuHunter (when they had a free version) and it finds still stuff that Defender doesn't..
 
@Sabito錆兎 you know you can watch a movie or read a book if you are bored, right? :)
 
@CodyGray yes, I've educated myself on the debacle - I stand corrected: "as far as stable on this network goes"
 
4:12 AM
@Scratte 🤔🤔🤔 Hm... I think I might have to look into those softwares then.
 
@Scratte resize it?
 
@Sabito錆兎 How must time will it take you to reinstall your entire system?
Do you have any backups?
 
Aah... no
 
@OlegValter That would make it unreadable.
 
@Scratte :( I don't ever wanna do that
 
4:14 AM
@CodyGray ah, well, I did not know "amplification" (as a noun) is a term, that's all :)
 
@Sabito錆兎 Right. You don't take backups or images of your disk, but you do click on nefarious spam links :D :D
 
out of boredom 😂
 
😅😅
 
I worked, didn't it? Yatin is not bored anymore :D
 
Yeah alright alright I get it :p
 
4:16 AM
Sorry.. we just had to get it out of our system :)
3
 
Here goes nothing. See you in 15-20 minutes :)
Bye!
 
@CodyGray is it a power gain you measured in thousands, right?
 
@OlegValter Amplification?! Yeah!
 
@Scratte I could not not ask about this :)
 
@OlegValter Voltage gain
 
4:21 AM
@Sabito錆兎 If might not remove this from all the browsers. I imagine you're still going to have to remove the extensions.
 
Aaaaannnnddd.... Drum roll please.......... If found:
Nothing
Last choice ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
what did you expect?
 
I suppose this:
 
Did you click allow? On the virus thingy? Or did you never got to that?
 
@Scratte Never go to that
 
4:29 AM
@Sabito錆兎 Then it may just be sitting as extensions.. but.. it's still odd that it's on all your browers.
When you go to add and remove programs, is there anything that installed today?
 
Well this has been going on for more than 2 weeks I think
 
Wait.. you clicked that link two weeks ago?
 
... I think.. I'm going to need to sleep on that :)
 
I just ignored it
 
4:32 AM
@CodyGray :53243914 thanks, just to check: 20 * log (base 10) (output voltage / input voltage) = 60 Db, meaning log (base 10) X = 3, meaning 1000. ok, checks out
@Scratte ... I... I think I need to do that too :)
 
HEAD^ Is that secret code? :)
 
just trying to confirm my understanding of why it is a 1000 times gain correct :)
 
@OlegValter what are you working on?
 
@Sabito錆兎 talking with Cody
 
@OlegValter But.. there's no X in the first part.
@Sabito錆兎 Talking with Cody is hard work ;)
 
4:37 AM
Ah I thought you were working on some project that needed those calculations
 
@Scratte I am reverse-calculating voltage amplifier gain from voltage gain :) X is output voltage divided by input
@Sabito錆兎 what do you mean? talking to Cody is a project that needs these calculations
> This account is temporarily suspended because of low-quality contributions. The suspension period ends in 7 days.
^ bwah?
 
@OlegValter :-)
@OlegValter What's your question/confusion there?
 
haven't seen this reason for a while
 
Maybe because there haven't been very many low-qualit... oh
I see
 
4:49 AM
Mods don't use that message much
 
@OlegValter Heh
 
Has to be specifically brought to our attention that it is appropriate
 
that's on MSE, actually - rarest I've seen so far
 
Oh, that is rare.
 
Sounds like the "repeated bad questions" one
 
4:50 AM
But probably someone who was just ranting up a storm about one single issue.
 
@OlegValter bwah? is that an acronym or some sound effect? 🤔
 
Like, say, "my suspension on site X is unfair, the mods there totally suck, why won't anyone listen to me??!"
 
I think a wild carrot knows who this is about :) I understand why it happened, it was just very surprising to find one, kind of like an easter egg
 
I'm thinking about the person I suspended in chat earlier.
 
@Sabito錆兎 bwah.mp3? :) It is an expletive that, well, signifies confusion
 
4:53 AM
I think I missed the "wild carrot" thing.
 
Confusing expletive :)
@CodyGray yeah same
 
Sep 30 at 19:32, by Catija
Yes, you probably assume that I'm a person but what you're not aware of and I've only hinted at with my knowledge of carrots - is that I'm actually a carrot.
 
I'm familiar with wild oats. Not sure about wild carrots.
Ah.
 
aaand
 
Do carrots know a lot about themselves?
 
4:53 AM
@OlegValter Oh right
 
Given her knowledge of carrots, I'd be more likely to assume she's a rabbit!
A wascally wabbit!
 
Sep 15 at 19:29, by Oleg Valter
no one expects the Spanish inquisition a wild CM :)
 
They tell you that the unexpected result is funnier than the expected one, so I resolved with "Carrot" instead of "rabbit".
 
You could have gone with "octopus"
That would have been unexpected.
 
@Catija oh, so you are a promise?
 
4:55 AM
I've never claimed to actually be funny.
A promise?
 
@CodyGray you are positively a loone?y :)
 
Tread carefully... I think this may be a JavaScript joke.
 
@Catija I suppose so - just checked out this question and found a familiar face with 1. They dropped by yesterday in the election room, methinks, and tried to fetch Makyen :)
@Catija well, you resolved with a carrot, so... :)
 
Yeah it is a js joke
 
@OlegValter Yeah, they were spamming... stuff. I don't even know what kind of stuff. Some kind of survey or something. Posted it several places in chat and on SO/MSO.
I can only assume they did the same on MSE. But heaven forbid I have the time to look at MSE these days.
 
5:02 AM
@CodyGray huh, it is a surprisingly accurate reason then :) They are familiar to me because I bumped into them when they tried to report AutoReviewComment's script "problem" that is only a single error log in console (an expected one at that) as a problem with the network. The funny part was that they provided a screenshot that says in plain English: "error in AutoReviewComments userscript"...
 
@Sabito錆兎 The promise thing? I don't know JS other than that, for all it's called JavaScript, it's not the same as Java.
 
@OlegValter They tried to report that on... MSE?
 
@CodyGray they did report it on MSE :)
 
Hah!
You think people read error messages?
 
@Catija Yes :) Promises resolve into something... so Oleg means you are promise that resolved into a Carrot :)
 
5:05 AM
Ah. Interesting.
 
on a related note, did you have a fulfilling day today? :)
 
I cannot tell you how many times my co-workers have sent me an email, complaining of a problem. They'll naturally include a screenshot. And that screenshot will contain prominent red or yellow text (it's a console/text-mode application) describing the exact error that occurred and suggesting at least one possible solution.
I work at writing good error messages.
 
Other than the frustration of being unable to talk? It's been an OK day.
 
My response to such emails is generally just to retype the exact error message. It usually produces a "Oh! That fixed it! Thanks!"
 
:eyeroll:
 
5:06 AM
@Catija Hmm? Your mouth broken?
 
@OlegValter It is Dussehra today so yeah :)
 
@Catija ok... take 2 - have you ever been rejected?
 
Oh dear.
 
@CodyGray Mouth works fine. The vocal cords are not happy. Everything comes out raspy.
 
@CodyGray I know, I'll see myself out
 
5:08 AM
@Catija Too much screaming?
 
@OlegValter In fifth grade, my mom worked in the office at my middle school. A guy I liked, Cody Lewis, pulled me into her cubicle (she wasn't there and he didn't know it was hers) and told me that he didn't like me.
I was crushed.
 
That seems like a very mean thing to do, Cody!
 
Yeah Cody sucks
 
"Hey, Cat? I have to talk to you. Can you step into my office? OK, so... thanks for meeting with me. I thought it was important to tell you that I really don't like you. Have a great rest of your day!"
 
We were on the way to Gym class.
 
5:10 AM
You walked through the office on the way to gym?
 
@Catija [note to self: be more careful with promise jokes] - that's... an interesting way to say to someone you do not like them
 
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how that worked out but ... yes. The office was big and in the middle of the school and the gym was opposite the fifth grade rooms... dunno. We cut through the office all the time.
 
It's always interesting to me how weird some schools are laid out.
 
We also played Oregon Trail in computer class.
And it was music class half the week - same room, same teacher... just one day we used computers and the other day we used keyboards.
 
You'd think that there would just pretty much be a couple of good, proven designs that would be re-used all over the place for all schools. But no. Everyone reinvents that wheel. Sometimes it comes out interesting; other times, it comes out terrible.
You got keyboards?! All we had in 5th grade were those dumb recorders!
Which didn't even record anything!
 
5:13 AM
This school was on a weird split-level lot. The front of the building entered on the first floor but the rear of the building had a door outside on the second floor.
@CodyGray We had those in 3rd/4th grade, I think.
 
@Catija Hun.. must be very distracting to work in an office like that .. with students going in and out all the time
 
I remember mine being Π shaped if you look at it from above with 3 floors each dedicated to its level of seniority
a notion of school office is a bit new to me
 
The place where the administrative staff work... The principal, assistant principals, secretaries, registration, attendance monitoring, etc.
 
Where did your head of school/secretaries/nurses/school admins live if not in an office?
 
Yeah. We have them too
 
5:15 AM
Ah, nurses! Yes. Forgot about those.
@OlegValter Your school was the Panopticon? :-)
 
TIL Panopticon
 
I figured Oleg would know the term
 
@Catija well... each department in their own cabinet on the 2nd floor if my memory serves me right. Nurse's "office" (more like "cabinet") on the first floor
 
@CodyGray Interesting concept for a building though
 
@Sabito錆兎 TIL?
 
5:18 AM
Today I learned [about] xyz
 
@CodyGray well, not exactly :) Panopticon was supposed to be cylindrical if I remember "Discipline and Punish" correctly
 
"Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison" -- interesting book choice
 
what's interesting about this choice? :) It's one work among the series of Foucault's works diving into the history of the modern European "rationality" by analyzing origins of institutions such as prison or clinic
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Pretty grim read IMO, but interesting nonetheless
 
not at all, actually, "grim" is the last
 
5:23 AM
The pendulum guy?
 
No
 
no, that's Umberto :)
 
The Foucault pendulum or Foucault's pendulum is a simple device named after French physicist Léon Foucault and conceived as an experiment to demonstrate the Earth's rotation. The pendulum was introduced in 1851 and was the first experiment to give simple, direct evidence of the Earth's rotation. Foucault pendulums today are popular displays in science museums and universities. == Original Foucault pendulum == The first public exhibition of a Foucault pendulum took place in February 1851 in the Meridian of the Paris Observatory. A few weeks later, Foucault made his most famous pendulum when he...
 
Michel Foucault was a French philosopher/historian.
 
No. It's not. :P
 
5:24 AM
Different from Leon Foucault, who was the physicist.
 
Foucault's Pendulum (original title: Il pendolo di Foucault [il ˈpɛndolo di fuˈko]) is a novel by Italian writer and philosopher Umberto Eco. It was first published in 1988, and an English translation by William Weaver appeared a year later.Foucault's Pendulum is divided into ten segments represented by the ten Sefiroth. The satirical novel is full of esoteric references to Kabbalah, alchemy, and conspiracy theory—so many that critic and novelist Anthony Burgess suggested that it needed an index. The pendulum of the title refers to an actual pendulum designed by French physicist Léon Foucault to...
 
I was very confused the first time I heard of this in a physics class, because at the time I was far more familiar with Michel Foucault's work. I could not believe that I had missed important work he'd done with a pendulum.
 
@OlegValter Eco?
 
@Catija yes :)
 
Interesting. The pendulum is the only one I'm aware of :) The real one, not the Umberto Eco novel.
 
5:26 AM
and Foucault in Eco's book is not Michel either :)
 
Yes, I can guess that from the wikipedia article :D
 
well, there is wordplay, though, because Eco's books are filled to the brim with references
the pendulum in the book (can't bring myself to call it a novel) is just a McGuffin
 
> Some believe that it refers to Michel Foucault,[3] noting Eco's friendship with the French philosopher,[4] but the author "specifically rejects any intentional reference to Michel Foucault"[5]—this is regarded as one of his subtle literary jokes.
Huh.
I haven't read the novel. (If not a novel, what?)
 
well, yeah, it is indeed a novel, that was just a note about my constant edits "novel -> book" :)
 
I suppose "novel" mostly implies fictional book whereas "book" can be anything that is bound in a way we recognize as "book-shaped".
 
5:33 AM
@CodyGray the novel is obviously filled with a lot of "hypertext" to his works, though
 
I'd better book it; this conversation is going in a very novel direction!
 
@Catija yeah, and it definitely is a novel, it's just... huge and so tightly-packed with references one needs to know that I can't bring myself to call it one
 
References or pointers?
 
@CodyGray hmm, not sure - I'd call those references
 
Can they be null? Does it take an extra step to dereference them?
 
5:47 AM
@CodyGray I think they can :) Dereferencing those just makes you not get what's referred to, thankfully, instead of crashing your brain
 
@CodyGray I think I clarified later in chat but just for clarity: I don't tend to leave these comments. Well, not any more - I know better nowadays. Questions that I deem irredeemable, I tend to just CV and not comment on. I don't feel the need to get into a conversation with the author. However, if others do - I let them. I'm aware this is sort of "I won't kill you. But I don't have to save you." result, however, I honestly care enough in those cases.
Incidentally, also something I think won't make me a good mod.
With that said, I do not like when a legitimate question that does not include code gets a comment that reads "I downvoted your question because no attempt was made. Contrary to what you seem to think, Stackoverflow is not a free coding service" (actual comment). The Q was a "How to". My response to that was:
@martineau there is no code tax on SO. Code needs to be provided if you have a debugging task. "How to" questions are allowed and are some of the most popular ones on the site. Such questions do not require code. — VLAZ 16 hours ago
 
@VLAZ No, I endorse that "leave no comment" strategy. Saves a lot of fatigue and frustration, not to mention time a'wastin.
I don't leave a bunch of noisy comments when taking action on posts, either. I'll let you decide whether or not I'm a good mod. :-)
 
yeah. That's probably the best thing one can do in such cases to avoid a rather pointless escalation
 

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