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5:00 PM
@yivi Ummm, I think this was for you yivi ^
 
@Nick yes, it was, sorry :D
 
@Nick I don't think so. That message doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.
 
^^
(that's pointers, not a smiley ^^")
 
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Q: triage suspension

Tarick WellingSo I tried to do some triage reviewing and read the recent meta posts on the "requires editing" button and the problems with it at this time. I really think there should be better mechanisms than to suspend someone's review "rights" for days (in my case a week). It would be better to have some ...

 
@Nick it did link to my message about being paid. I guess the joke didn't land. Should be more careful I guess
 
5:05 PM
@Forklift17 The "one strike and you're out" rule is not something mandated by SE, so it doesn't make any sense for it to be included on what is supposed to be a "Beginner's Guide to Triage" - and if it was there it would reflect poorly on the intended experience
 
Why?? If the point is that a bad review is much, much worse than no review at all, that needs to be made crystal clear. There needs to be explicit clarity of the high standards expected of reviewers. There is none. That is an easily solvable problem.

You guys keep referring to SE--are they the ones ultimately in charge of this Triage system?
 
Of course they are.
 
Yes, it is closed source. We can't submit PR's for it.
Not even for the texts
 
Zoe
@Forklift17 Actually, fewer reviewers are better than bad ones, because the result of bad ones require additional work. Work done twice is wasted once
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@Forklift17 This may explain why this discussion didn't end sooner... when we said we can do nothing about it... we really meant it
 
5:14 PM
Is the expectation that what I say here is true?
 
@rene Why would you lie on the internet
 
Zoe
You haven't said much :GWChadMEGAThink:
 
I rest your case ...
 
Can we start a campaign on Meta to ask if we can be empowered to do things that we can't do anything about, except for starting a campaign on Meta?
 
OK, it's starting to make sense now.

Look, I admit that earlier I was talking out of anger. I apologize for my tone, but not for my intent. I know I was shooting the messenger, but right now you, Zoe, rene, and a couple others are the only messengers I've got.

I do stand by what I said about editing the guidelines to make it crystal clear how important it is not to mis-review. Surely that is something that can be done soon without having to make a single change to the triage?
 
5:17 PM
@Forklift17 Dw, we're tougher than our profile pictures suggest ;p
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@Nick Except for Machavity, of course!
 
The 'How does the Triage queue work?' question is community wiki, so editing in any changes is perfectly possible
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, those engineers are right softies
 
Zoe
@Psychemaster You're assuming people read it before they review :')
 
@Zoe Well, if they don't do it before, they'll certainly do it after the ban, though I concede it might be too late by then.
 
Zoe
5:19 PM
true
 
BTW, we have yet to see any outcome of Yaakov's "overhaul" of the Review UX! (But that it's even happening is a good sign IMHO.)
 
Zoe
development takes time :')
 
Indeed! But, in my interview, I was asked, "But why do you do so many reviews?" Other than, "Power trip" and "Masochism," I didn't really have a good, one-line answer.
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LOL
 
Totally different question: Somehow I got back in the Triage! Just went here and it let me in: https://stackoverflow.com/review

I thought I was on an 8-day ban? Is this a known issue?
 
5:23 PM
Whining a lot helps
 
hehe
Begging can be positive, too.
 
Or was it Wining? I always forget
 
All bans can be overturned... if you ask loudly enough.
 
5:41 PM
@Zoe I'm not sure I agree completely with you there. When people start to use Samuel's script no one is going to review the long ones, the ones with multiple answers, the..
@AdrianMole the Masochist :D I can't stop laughing :)
 
Zoe
Yeah, except I would, which invalidates your entire theory. ("no one" requires a single person to invalidate the entire statement. Same with "everyone" and all the other hyperboles)
 
@Scratte of course other people will still know, there's the users in here highlighting bad posts, mods, the SOCVR folks potentially
Plus all those not part of the discussion
 
@Zoe That makes me very happy. Because every time I press Skip I feel a little guilty. Not if I have no clue, but when I'm only 99% sure, I feel guilty.
 
Zoe
same tbh. There's other people who review the long posts too though, so pretty much everything has the potential to get reviewed. It usually doesn't because there's too many reviews required compared to what's required
Well, at least it used to. Sam's push on triage might've fixed some of the issues there
 
tbh?
 
5:48 PM
to be honest
 
Zoe
that ^
 
Thanks :) Added to my list of strange abbreviations :D
I didn't quite understand the last sentence "It usually doesn't because there's too many reviews required compared to what's required"
 
Zoe
oof
that's supposed to say "It usually doesn't because there's too many reviews required compared to what's available"
 
oof = ouch! Oh, F***.
 
lol! Added to my list too :D
 
Zoe
5:51 PM
oof is an abbreviation?
 
I thought it was just an exclamation
 
Zoe
Thought it was a word ^^"
yeah, that
 
Well, I guess there's "oof" (an excalamation) and then, "OOF?"
 
Zoe
No idea
 
@AdrianMole Be honest, you just made that up :)
 
5:54 PM
wtf
 
mfw
 
mfw?
 
Zoe
mwf
 
@Scratte My Face When
Common term on the more...interesting sectors of the internet
 
@Das_Geek I thought you just reference the wide-character version of MFC.
 
5:59 PM
@Das_Geek You're just messing with me.. I think :)
@AdrianMole About your recent ban. I looked at the Question. Can you tell me why it's no good here?
 
@Scratte Not really - which is why I gave it "Looks OK!" (Sam has since admitted it was "borderline," though.)
 
Oh there's your problem
There's no "Looks OK!" button
No exclamation point
 
@AdrianMole Does that mean you didn't actually learn anything from that? :)
 
I guess I learned to "err on the side of caution" more - in future, if there's even an inkling of doubt, I'll just skip. That would maybe make you feel guilty, but not me.
@Das_Geek The exclamation point is part of my sentence and, as per good grammar, should be included inside the double-quotes (just as any period or comma, etc., should be).
 
6:05 PM
@AdrianMole Ahh.. I wasn't talking about learning to Skip. We all know that one always works. My Skip rate is probably 90-95%
 
@AdrianMole In American English, while commas and periods are always in the quotes, question and exclamation marks go outside when they are not part of the direct quote. In this case, there is no "!" in the button, so it would be outside the quotes. Not sure if British English differs
Funnily enough, British English actually allows commas and periods outside the quotes, much like American English does for !/? marks
 
But I am a practitioner of Welsh English, which is very different from anything else.
 
My condolences
 
With all this talk of "grammar" and "American English," we're likely to inadvertently summon a certain moderator.
 
sshhh, he's already in the room
 
6:12 PM
oops
 
English makes no sense in that regard. I see something saying "Free coffee" and I'm surprised. I feel that's misrepresented in this sentence: They were surprised when seeing "Free coffee!".
 
The one that gets me is on ATMs: "Free Cash Withdrawal." But, whenever I use such an ATM, the money disappears from my account.
 
@AdrianMole I've taken "our" Question to SOCVR to figure out what's wrong with it. It's a whole host of things.
 
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Q: There are no review queues available to you

davidbillaWhy does it always say "There are no review queues available to you" even though there is a red dot on that review icon?

 
6:29 PM
@Scratte In this case you would leave the exclamation mark outside the quotes
Well, according to real English
 
@Das_Geek I always do. I don't care what they say. "I also always leave out commas", they said. "And never include full stop".
 
I get what you mean, but that particular sentence is a bad example, as there would reasonably be a comma and period inside what you're quoting
"I also always leave out commas, and never include full stop."
 
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