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12:02 AM
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Q: Is re-worded ChatGPT answer allowed?

machine_1I have a question regarding the utilization of AI assistance, particularly with regards to answering questions on the main site or other platforms within the Stack Exchange network. I understand that the new policy strictly prohibits the use of AI-generated answers as official responses, even if ...

 
 
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1:07 AM
@NordineLotfi I've had the general impression that for each suspected AI answer from a user where this did happen, there are at least 2 where there aren't any upvotes but there is a comment from the OP complaining that it doesn't work, answers the wrong question, etc. Admittedly, this may be less clear to non-moderators, as some of the AI posters will delete any answer receiving such comments.
 
1:17 AM
@CodyGray I'm just imagining a mod election right now in which the campaign promise is to strike as soon as elected, then moderate the site normally if SE caves... ^^;
 
 
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5:08 AM
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Q: How can I get all of the posts from a user that have been edited? How about deleted?

ChristianOConnorI was very impressed when I found out I could get all of my posts from Stackoverflow by simply running https://api.stackexchange.com/2.3/users/**MY USER ID**/posts?order=desc&sort=activity&site=stackoverflow. I would love to be able to get a list of all of my posts that have been edited. Is there...

 
5:26 AM
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Q: How can I change my birthday information on my Stack Overflow user profile?

AkarinLiuThis is my first time using Stack Overflow, I signed up using GitHub account, but I don't know how to change the birthday information in a Stack Overflow user profile. I Hope Can be easy change my birthday infomation at Stack Overflow.

 
5:38 AM
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Q: Should requirements be specified solely via tags?

ecatmurRelated: What is the use of version tags? I've recently noticed a few cases where the questioner has specific requirements that they've expressed solely by adding tags to the question. For example, they might ask a C++ question that they want a C++14 answer to, but instead of saying so in the que...

 
 
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7:20 AM
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Q: How to solve complex differential equation using Boost odeint and Boost ublas matrix and vectors

Debamalya DuttaIn solving differential equations using Boost cpp library, there appears a problem in handling complex numbers using Boost ublas matrix and vectors, but the error can be removed if one used eigen library. For example if one uses boost ublasfor the following code #include <iostream> #include <vector>

 
8:07 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine We're at 9.2% (and 58% of active SO mods, including the overwhelming majority of the highly active mods), and it's still early
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Discordant, even?
@Andreasdetestscensorship Why would that matter? I still think "curator" is a mistake, though... It should say contributor.
@Andreasdetestscensorship I definitely have the jokes.
 
@CodyGray Actually "moderator" would fit better...if it wasn't confusing with the diamond ones.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I don't know who you talked to there, but the regulars in the Tavern are rene, Journeyman Geek, and Shadow Wizard. Only 2/3 of those are mods, and both are supporting the strike. Mith(ical) is, I think, also a regular in the Tavern, and she's both a mod and in support (as I'm sure you've noticed...).
@VLAZ Yeah. But that's a technical term of art on SO, so it can't be used alone.
 
8:37 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine For what it's worth, that was my position during the last proposed strike (about the treatment of Monica and more, back in 2019).
I did not think it was worth going nuclear over, and I did not think it was worth hurting the site over.
Of course, that was because my and the community's ability to moderate the site hadn't been taken away at that time...
It was basically one of those, "As long as I have a delete button, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing."
Oleg: "But the most fundamental principles of the site you believe in are in jeopardy! There's a very real risk of it all crumbling down around you."

Other Guy on Ru.SO: "Dude, my *entire country* is like that. This is nothing new for me."

Oleg: "Touche. I have no response."
@OlegValteriswithUkraine @NordineLotfi For what it's worth, even to native speakers, "delusional" is a very charged and potentially offensive term. You never want to call a person that. You might be able to say, "She is deluding herself if she thinks X" (although some might still consider that to be offensive, I don't).
@RyanM I see a lot of both... upvoted and/or accepted answers that nevertheless have comments on them pointing out how they don't work. Goes back to your "gaslighting" argument.
 
@CodyGray true, I guess I probably wanted to say that sentence instead, since to me, "deluding oneself" and "delusional" is pretty much the same thing (I know it isn't, but it seems to be the same based on an uneducated guess)
 
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Q: Upcoming 2023 election

D.W.I have an update on the election plans. There will be an election to elect another moderator, in a few weeks: https://cs.stackexchange.com/election/4. I thought I'd give advance notice, so those who are willing to run can prepare to nominate themselves during the week of June 13-20. You will s...

@NordineLotfi I occasionally take this shortcut, too, but I shouldn't.
 
yeah, it leaves a lot up to interpretation :/
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Plus the "sporadically highly active mods" :-D
 
@CodyGray Lol, horribly timed
@CodyGray yep, so we probably still have around 80-90% of the mod capacity on strike
 
9:23 AM
@RyanM I guess you're right, especially since I can't see deleted post :) I was mostly speaking from a user perspective as you noticed. Although I did mention other things aside from generated post, but I guess you're right
 
9:50 AM
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Q: How does stack overflow avoid power users voting down?

informixLet's address the impact of downvoting and explore ways to achieve a better balance: Discouraging newcomers: Immediate downvotes without constructive feedback can discourage well-intentioned newcomers from engaging with the community. Invisibility of downvoted questions: Questions with numerous ...

 
*facepalm* One downvote on their latest question. The question is POB
Or too broad. Take your pick.
 
@NewPosts I don't know why, but their latest question on main, and this meta post smell like AI-generated...
 
The one on Meta is certainly full of BS.
 
@AndrewT. It's all the bold, I guess
 
10:05 AM
Well, how could a user write in perfect English while only forgetting the title? /s
 
The title is like asking, "How does stack overflow avoid knowledgeable programmers posting answers?"
 
11:02 AM
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Q: feature request: multiple "ask question" drafts

chraebsliCurrently, if you ask a question, the draft gets saved on the account. So, you can start drafting a question and then do research or other stuff and when you come back, the draft is saved, and you can continue until posting it. But I just thought, it would be nice if you can have multiple drafts ...

 
11:32 AM
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Q: Update of the code of conduct should contain a diff of the changes

DanielIt makes it easier to understand the change when you are not a lawyer.

 
12:10 PM
@CodyGray I mean... I am that "other guy" ^^"
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine So you're the other guy!
I guess you can be both guys in this case.
 
@CodyGray yeah, same - it did feel like there's future for the platform if it continues this way. Despicable actions - sure, unreasonable level of activism - sure, but it certainly didn't feel like the company is trying to bury the platform itself...
 
Now for some fun: a straw poll. Which avatar should I change to during the strike? The idea is to have a smashed/broken version of the glasses, conveying what staff has done to us all. One; Two; Three; Four
 
12:26 PM
@CodyGray I like one because it's close to your current avatar. But I also really like three because the glasses are put down and not use which could be an allusion to putting down the mod tools.
 
Pretty much exactly my thoughts.
I don't like the artistic feeling of one. Seems too... well, happy? Like carefree or something.
 
I guess "cartoony" is a better descriptor. Seems like what would show up after you ran into a tunnel painted on a wall.
 
My concern is that three is not sufficiently broken. One lens is just a little bit cracked. People have smartphone screens that they use every day that are worse than that.
Which is why I also put four on the list. The other nice thing about four is that they're so destroyed that you can't tell whether they were the same original glasses or not. :-)
 
@CodyGray I thought to ask AI image generators, but...
 
I tried that, actually. The AI image generator I tried was terrible with generating images of broken eyeglasses. I tried dozens of times, with dozens of different queues. All terrible.
Prior to that, I was considering terdon's original suggestion, to effectively turn turn my lenses dark, and I did get a couple of decent images out of the AI generator for that. But here's my favorite:
Note the complete failure to draw eyeglasses, but the perfect capturing of the mood.
 
12:34 PM
That's so good
 
This is a relatively good match for my current avatar (once flipped, of course).
This concept of darkened lenses (sunglasses) was suggested to be used as the avatar for a sockpuppet account that I was thinking about using for the duration of the strike.
 
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It was nothing interesting. I was having browser/connection issues, which resulted in the need to edit those messages numerous times, and accidentally resulted in one of the messages getting posted twice.
 
12:50 PM
Still more interesting than the bad takes going on at Meta SO comments.
 
What now?
 
Oh, that user...
they really liked changing names, didn't they...
 
@Enet4 Be careful not to burn yourself on these hot takes.
 
1:09 PM
@CodyGray If you really wanna know, you can hop in into the chat right now, and see for yourself.
@CodyGray Eyh, shut up. >:(
@CodyGray Then make that suggestion on Discord, as you’re also there. My point was to make it clear that everyone is welcome to sign the letter, and because I’m curious about the types of people that did sign it.
@CodyGray High quality jokes.
 
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Q: Is it true that moderator overreach is turning away a large number of users?

Passionate SEThere is this post on meta that makes an announcement to the mods on some of the new requirements they will be needed to present before suspending a user who supposedly used AI to generate an answer. In that answer they explain that based on internal evidence they have, there has been an overappl...

 
Ouch, I burned myself
 
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Q: Is ChatGPT content automatically detected?

Justin MorganSince ChatGPT content is (rightly) banned, is new content being run through an automatic AI detector? If users have to manually notice and flag content, a lot is going to slip through.

 
> If users have to manually notice and flag content, a lot is going to slip through.
Not as much as now.
 
1:32 PM
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Q: What has happened to lead moderators to consider striking?

MachavityThis is, more or less, for the benefit of the community at large. Not everyone pays deep attention to the inner workings of Stack Overflow, and it may be disconcerting to some to see moderators are considering a strike. I figured I would share things from my perspective (as an elected moderator),...

 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Ah, I spoke to them about it already, but in a different room.
@Andreasdetestscensorship Already done did, thanks for the suggestion :-)
@Andreasdetestscensorship Nothing but the best for y'all.
@Andreasdetestscensorship OMG some of those are so good!
Abbey is not very quick on her feet.
 
@NewPosts *sigh* I just prepared the message I'd post on my profile tomorrow and here Machavity posts this which really should go into my message.
Are mods overreaching by posting useful content that I have to refer to?
 
@VLAZ Isn't it a bit long to go into your profile?
 
brb need to ban VLAZ for questioning muh authoritay /s
 
@CodyGray I cn mak shrt
 
1:43 PM
k 👍
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I tag wiki your authority!
 
@CodyGray I’m not done speaking to them. ;)
@ZoestandswithUkraine Slow that down, or I’ll come push a liter of licorice into your mouth! >:(
 
Doesn't it come mainly in sticks?
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship ew
 
@CodyGray mhmhmhmhmhm. Yum.
 
1:48 PM
So how do you measure sticks in liters?
 
@CodyGray For licorice, you first need to convert it to human rights violation per stick, which approaches infinity as the stick count goes up
 
You melt them.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Oh, I see. In Norway, you make them out of people?
 
 
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3:08 PM
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Q: ChatGPT assisted questions

OliverI would like to spark a discussion around the use of GPT models and similar to improve the Q&A experience on Stack Overflow. I'm sure we have all read Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned and to be clear, I am not taking a side like in ChatGPT should be incorporated into the site. I think we shoul...

 
@NewPosts lovely that all the recent discussions about AI content are prefixed with "I understand that the temporary policy is to ban such content and am ok with it, but..." when SE just nuked the policy from orbit...
 
Yeah, the word is finally getting out, right when it was rescinded.
 
yeah... the irony of that is just too strong.
 
3:50 PM
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Q: How is Stack Overflow Inc. prepared for a possible moderation strike by community elected moderators on June 5?

machine_1It has come to my attention that some community-elected moderators have decided to enact a moderation strike on Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange network on the 5th of June. This is very concerning considering that StackOverflow is maintained and heavily relies on moderators for the normal fu...

 
4:00 PM
Is it the ChatGPT Sunday already?
I didn't know we had a whole day to post about ChatGPT on meta.
 
Why don’t you join?
 
Save some for the upcoming week.
 
The upcoming week is for ChatGPT on the main site, not meta.
 
I could see some people complaining about this in the coming week on meta though
 
4:09 PM
hmm, I know you already know but you said "not meta" so I thought you were serious
 
I am always serious!
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship a lot of them I didn't know about. Except for the very first one, that one is a classic :P
I vaguely remember a time when I was making dad jokes unconsciously but I can't reproduce this unconscious skill anymore
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Seriously?
 
> I would like to know if there is a possibility or risk of the CEO replacing the entire team of moderators with AI?
I'd actually love to see that. I mean, it'd be terrible but also quite entertaining.
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4:26 PM
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Q: Hot Meta Posts Score Is Slow To Update

Starship is go for launch Hot Meta Posts says this post has a score of 55, but looking at it has a score 64. 9 votes is a pretty large difference and many posts, could this be fixed?

 
You don't get the joke, @CodyGray ;)
 
I never do...
 
This is the part where you may say "joke's on you, we're all having a great time joking at you telling us we don't get the joke". :)))
 
Haha, yeah.
I mean, I don't know what to say. There is a joke embedded on that website, but like... it's also 100% true. So not understanding that... I don't know where to begin.
 
Aye, the premise of the site is serious business. At work we've got caches-a-dozen and things may fail temporarily whenever data changes (which shouldn't be often, but people err all the time and we need to provide a way to fix it).
 
4:37 PM
@CodyGray Always.
Never in my entire life have I ever not been serious.
 
4:53 PM
@NordineLotfi Jokes are serious business.
 
5:13 PM
We have reached 200 signatures.
 
Yay
1800 more to go.
 
5:24 PM
@NewPosts I... did not plan to write that much
Hm, maybe I should add three more words for the meme
 
I even see some suspended user in the signatures :o example: stackexchange.com/users/851/jeremy?tab=accounts
I guess they might be reading some of the rooms
 
@NordineLotfi Jeremy is active on the meta discord
 
I see
 
That's a former employee, who was suspended for doing a variety of dumb things that I obviously can't go into, but definitely supports the goal of maintaining high content quality.
 
is it normal their email on their profile isn't working? wanted to send an email a while ago but couldn't :/ (it's about a post on MSE they made)
 
5:31 PM
Uhh, I don't know, I've never tried to email them.
 
got you
 
@NordineLotfi well, even a currently-network-suspended known troll signed...
 
really? hmm
 
5:57 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine RE: your second note: meta.serverfault.com/questions/9880/homepage-spammed
 
Feel free to edit it in
oh, wait
I'll fix it
 
@VLAZ I already expressed my concern with that report several times on Discord, but it seems to have drowned in the discussion...
 
I must have missed in in the 7 bajillion posts since yesterday...
 
well, as with any live chat with that many active participants, dsc is pretty unwieldy, yeah...
 
Maybe I need to set up an AI to monitor the chat for me and summarise what happened.
 
6:09 PM
Can you share it with me?
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship sure - phew, barely managed to find it in the avalanche of messages
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine What is that about?
I want a bite of your AI bot summarizing the transcripts.
Ooooh, right, you're talking about that user which is active in The Tavern on Meta right now.
 
But yeah, I asked for you to share the AI bot with me. ;)
:P
 
Summary: I take issue with artificial inflation (even when it's done in good faith) of the impact of the strike.
 
6:20 PM
Just wait 6-8 AI units until it's finished.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine so when our own participants with no prior history on the site start to post things like this, I become concerned about appearing as if we are pufferfishing...
 
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Q: Should this optimization question be closed?

Trenton McKinneyIn regards to Optimizing PyQt5 and Matplotlib canvas redrawing for real-time data processing, which was originally closed as Needs more focus, deleted, opened as a new, subsequently deleted question, migrated back to the original post, and reopened. The question is, should this question remain cl...

 
6:56 PM
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Q: How should I handle typo answers in the Low Quality Answers queue?

user16217248Occasionally I find one sentence answers in the Low Quality Answers queue. They are often: I had to restart my computer/IDE/whatever Or Not reproducible or caused by typos type answers such as: the return statement in the main controller was missing In the former example the answer seems to b...

 
@cocomac Weren't you contacting users that might not be aware of the strike, and ask if they wanna take part? Consider inviting those that post on MSO, to that room you created for the purpose.
 
7:21 PM
@Andreasdetestscensorship Uh… no? I haven’t created a room for it. Maybe you’re thinking of someone else?
 
@cocomac Maybe Starball, then.
 
Sounds like Starball to me
 
 
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11:26 PM
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Q: Can I find out why this question was deleted?

NewSitesCan I find out why this question was deleted and whether there are changes that could allow it to be undeleted? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70006399/access-when-can-a-field-alias-be-used-in-the-same-select-statement I wrote another question in which I referred to the fact that a field a...

 

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