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5:00 PM
and here I thought the AI one was bad enough
 
@NordineLotfi wait, did you sleep through all the talk about The Other Shoe™? ^^"
 
wait, is this the upvote barrier thing
I did try to sleep today, maybe I'm a bit dizzy still
let me go back to the backlog...
 
@NordineLotfi See above the alien/octopus/shoe image.
 
oh, you mean the people that were fired?
 
Nope. There is supposedly a Second Thing that will be announced. The AI policy was only the first one. Hence dubbed "the second shoe" which needs to drop.
 
5:06 PM
got you
 
Which got is in a discussion that apparently there is too many shoes in the air. And they keep dropping.
 
yeah I got that part, it was just the other part that I didn't get
thanks for the explanation
 
The second shoe scheduled to drop "this week". So, today or tomorrow, apparently. I've been led to believe there are also other things happening. It's not clear whether what is going to be announced today is that second shoe. Or something else. But something is scheduled for today.
 
There's a meeting where it has been announced it's put on hold for a while:tm:
So probably not today or this week
Pretty anticlimactic, not gonna lie ^^"
 
Forecast: Clear with no chance of shoes.
 
5:25 PM
Forecast: clear with a possible shitstorm brewing on the horizon
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine they can learn, huh
not in the way I'd like SE to, but still
 
I don't know if putting questionable action for later is better than not doing them at all. But I guess it is better than everything falling all at once
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm 90% sure they're about to double down on the AI policy, so it's limited
But better than nothing
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine pretty sure about that too. What I meant by "learning", I guess, is better described as "adapting"
 
5:50 PM
They're also going to release the data backing up their claims within tuesday. Not sure if it's public or mod-only, but we'll find out
Which sounds good, but they clarified that it's only the false positive data, which means only the detectors run on old content
Which... doesn't prove any of their other claims
 
that's like saying "look, bears hurt more on average without honey! I know because I kept trying to go to their nest at night"
of course it's biased and will turn false-positive on older post. That's because it's part of GPT2, and thus part of what the gpt2-based detector detect (unless they used other detector not based on gpt2 dataset)
that does not mean it doesn't have any false-positive on new posts. That's all beside the point. If one hammer is bad, then you throw out the whole tool shed?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine that's better be public...
 
hardly matters. You can reproduce it yourself
Download the data dump, download a detector model, run each answer through the detector model
Run it on content before CGPT's release, and you'll find a high false positive rate
 
I'm pretty sure their analytics might take into account ip address or country provenance, which you can't do with public data dump
 
All of which was already known and not disputed
That is fair
I forgot about the regional bias part of the claim
 
5:59 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine nah, I mean from the standpoint of goodwill towards the company (if there is any left)
 
that detectors have a high false positive rate we knew already, after all
 
obvious to us is news to them I guess
 
May 26 at 12:28, by Cody Gray
They seem to have the inertia of a blundering, arrogant idiot.
 
6:15 PM
yep, checks out
 
Anyway, strike announcement draft discussions are ongoing on Discord if y'all want to contribute to that. Or leave a comment directly on GH
3
 
6:49 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine you could star pin it? I mean I guess stars is good enough, but just a thought :)
 
It doesn't really matter all that much long-term
 
that's fair
 
Had a chat with Mith, the plan is to start as soon as hosting logistics are sorted out
Which means, with in a day or possibly tonight, we'll start, and I can pin the open letter's final form instead
 
got you, that's better yeah
 
 
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@ZoestandswithUkraine my chatgpt detector sense is alerting me
especially the later block of text if you get what I mean
the fact it's approved by someone from the company too
 
it has a spam flag
I'm both inclined to validate it, and also not, because articles are more open for shit like that
but it being AI generated is edge-case territory now
 
there tons too that are generated in the Azure collective. I guess it's catching up :/
 
isn't there supposed to be some sort of announcements feature for Collectives?
 
It's temporary and doesn't give rep
Why would anyone use it?
Articles are documentation 2.0
 
8:04 PM
articles do give rep
 
yes, but announcements don't
 
i mean, a large portion of what microsoft posts in general often feels generated, has for years, but i think that's more of a translation problem than literally using a generative ai to create it
tutorial-style wording vs... well, human.
 
It's a chicken and the egg problem
There's a lot of MS documentation in CGPT's dataset, which makes CGPT's style influenced by MS docs
 
8:41 PM
Hi, I am nofate#5124 on Meta Discord.
 
Hi, I am Sycorax#5224 on Meta Discord.
 
o/ ?
 
It's for the mod verification process on the meta discord server
 
ah
 
We're getting a fancy system eventually, but for now, we use this primitive approach
 
8:59 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine What is «tonight»?
 
Then don’t say «tonight».
 
There's still extensive ongoing revisions
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine There’s only one comment from Thomas Owens on GH?
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship diablo 4 launch
 
9:00 PM
it's on Discord
 
@KevinB Devil’s 4th revenge launch?
 
there will be a lot of demon slayinig
 
9:18 PM
Based on the views and votes on the MSE posts... The community has seriously not been made aware of what's going on. We should post on MSO about the ongoing issues, before announcing the strike.
 
there is one
it's featured
 
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Q: What to do when you are stuck on improving your question

BrianI've been on this website for about 2 years but i still get restricted when is ask questions After many tries i made a genuine question which researched a lot about If felt positive about it but i still got this message Telling me that my account will eventually get blocked. I invested a lot of...

 
Oh, right. I guess I missed it; it's not as clear and direct as the stuff on MSE.
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Q: Does the policy change for AI-generated content affect users who (want to) flag such content?

markalexA post announcing new policy regarding AI Generated content was posted to the network-wide meta: What is the network policy regarding AI Generated content?. However, so far I haven't seen any announcements regarding changes in the local Stack Overflow policy: Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned. ...

It's not a great signpost for attracting attention.
It likely only attracts attention from the most active flaggers, and not everyone concerned with the topic.
 
@NordineLotfi looks more like standard marketing gobbledygook to me, frankly
@RyanM did you mean Bulletins? They supposedly exist...
 
probably!
 
9:36 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine hmm, I guess it could be too
I was saying that mostly since I know it has similar style to generated stuff on the Azure collective
 
I understand - can't determine which it is myself, though. Get a feeling of a marketing text, but who knows
 
I sure am glad I have a conflict of interest and thus need to let someone else figure out what to do with that post.
I'm not lazy, I'm highly ethical.
 
9:54 PM
@RyanM go for the name change :)
It is clear that we need to show SE that it needs us. I propose a 1 day long strike — Starship is go for launch 38 mins ago
have I failed to detect sarcasm in this comment?
 
10:13 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine note: I'm not monitoring direct comments, Discord is better
 
Where's the Discord link, again?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Thanks
Wonderful. I can't use Tor, because Discord rate limits me. Can't get past the Captcha.
And so I tried reloading the page. Now I can no longer use my name.
"Well, this is awkward". "Looks like Discord has crashed unexpectedly."
 
10:44 PM
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Q: Is this question within the website's standards

BrianI asked for advice to improve this question and I would like to know if it is good before any downvotes. If it is bad please recommend on what I should change Link to question: Question

 
11:38 PM
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Q: Would asking about a method to install packages in an unstable connection be on-topic?

Mehdi CharifeI understand that this is related to the question, but would [e.g.] the following post be within the scope of the site? I noticed that python package installators tend to give up early whenever you're trying to install a package in an unstable/slow connection, and so I wondered if there could be...

 
11:54 PM
No negative opinions about the platform are allowed.
 
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