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9:00 PM
it's already useless in many cases
 
(and I already only rarely depended on it, since I usually like to use my own judgment and try the answer myself, but that's beside the point)
I agree, but I mean, then it will truly be useless. As in, UX/UI clutter
 
@KevinB Sure, but there's also several ways to balance it out
Particularly, downvotes need to become more valuable again, whatever that means
 
no amount of downvote changes will affect this:
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A: How to detect a mobile device using jQuery

sweets-BlingBlingEditor's note: user agent detection is not a recommended technique for modern web apps. See the comments below this answer for confirmation of this fact. It is suggested to use one of the other answers using feature detection and/or media queries. Instead of using jQuery you can use simple JavaS...

 
But they probably don't want that, because I'd assume reducing downvotes is part of their KPI list?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I am pretty sure it's happening sooner or later.
 
9:02 PM
curators are only affective at curating content when it is new. Once something goes viral we have no tools to deal with it, and for one reason or another we can't seem to get mods to do anything about it either.
 
I can already see the dozen bad answer voted to oblivion with upvote, and the comment under it that says "but it does not work!!" among other things, then the answerer flagging them as innapropriate
 
i assume lack of tools, as usual
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Well... and you know what? Maybe we should let them. Sometimes things are just too far gone to save. Let's just watch it burn from the sidelines.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine there is an easy way to do it. Disable downvotes.
 
@AntonMenshov I honestly wouldn't be in any way surprized if they do.
 
9:05 PM
at that point, disabling comments and edit would not surprise me
 
And justify it with " The conclusions of these analyses strongly indicate to us that low quality content is not being properly identified across the network, and that the potential for false-positives is very high".
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine While that does sound tempting... I'm not really ready for it
 
And also that their "internal evidence strongly suggests that the overapplication of downvotes may be turning away a large number of legitimate contributors to the site".
see, I can do it too! Where do I sign up for the position of the VP of Community?
 
Sometimes I wonder why some people at important position with more money than me make worse decisions than I would ever do by just thinking for one second. Sometimes I think it is presumptuous of me for various reasons, but then I see instances like these...and I seriously stop doubting it
 
i mean, $$
 
9:11 PM
maybe the more money and success you have, the more it degrade your intelligence
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I see you're all posting links to Discord now; it's nice to keep in contact, and I don't mind this, but please, can we keep SE related discussions on SE sites, and not Discord? I have boycotted Discord. I want to take part without involving myself with Discord.
 
no, some things are best discussed somewhere where it can't be shut down
 
@NordineLotfi That's the reason you don't have an important position :) Joking aside, business-oriented folks have a specifically perverse way of thinking.
 
@KevinB Do we have anywhere but Discord? I hate Discord.
 
9:14 PM
:shrug:
i don't really care that you hate it, tbh
 
The only real alternative is riot, but I personally avoid that. in either case, this isn't a new discord
It's been around since the 2019 clusterfuck, and more or less just happened. There isn't a super conscious decision about the platform
Lots of users used discord back when the server was made, therefore, discord was picked
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I couldn't get Riot to work a few years ago, on my phone, due to some bugs. So I eventually gave up. But that would be a fine solution today, if it works, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Still though, it's on discord, and there isn't really a reason to change
 
AAaaah, grrrrrr, you know what? Fuck this. I'll come back in a few days. SE is not good for my health at the moment.
 
9:22 PM
o/
 
see ya on dsc then, @ZoestandswithUkraine!
to be honest, SE might actually not be good for health at the moment. I've been smoking nearly twice as much as usual for the past couple of days...
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yeah...
we're having a chat with a CM in the backroom that's completely disregarding everything we're saying. They ironically explained a system that's exactly what we're doing to detect CGPT content as a replacement for detecting CGPT content :facepaw:
 
oh, the irony.
Well, I guess since those who made the decision never actually moderated or curated anything, that's to be expected?
 
/shrug
I'm tired. I don't really care anymore
 
9:36 PM
@Andreasdetestscensorship take care :) I don't use anything except SO/SE chat rooms sometimes myself, so I can relate on some level.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yay, the acceptance stage kicked in, welcome-welcome!
 
It's not acceptance
It's acknowledging that this round is lost, and that a strike is the only way forward
 
the next mod election will be fun
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I know, I know, still trying to joke around a little. It's getting harder to, though. Yeah, I believe a strike is the only way now.
 
Because while this battle was lost, the war is just starting. The current sentiment isn't to lay down and take it
 
9:39 PM
> We have 10 slots open but only 2 candidates
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine was it even a battle? :) Looks more like an unannounced declaration of war to me.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Internally, yes
 
Well, yeah, in that sense - yeah.
 
Disregarding the extreme amount of chat messages in the various internal rooms and TL, the internal announcement currently has 23 answers, and a fuckton of comments
 
Well, if that's war SE wants, they'll get it.
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9:41 PM
Mods all over the network have fought against it. There's still discussions going on in our backroom. But for me, the battle is lost, and to war we shall go
 
Time for an open conflict, I suppose :) Sigh, I wish it wouldn't have to come to that.
 
On the bright side, I got the strike link in a comment on the announcement answer, so should help with traction. Also linked it internally on the mod team, though a bit late
The TL is openly discussing it as well
But in terms of shots fired, taking down SD alone is the biggest dent that can be made
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And Charcoal is onboard from what I've heard
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🚽
 
And I'm a RO in SOBotics, so I should probably get that discussion going
not tonight though
Tonight, I watch NPC D&D and reconsider my life choices
 
NPC D&D?
 
9:54 PM
Tonight, I watch the shades of depression, and reconsider apathy.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine can you reconsider my life choices as well? )
 
@AntonMenshov I heard that fifth choice wasn't all that good
The 17th one was on point though
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, hard to argue with that. Should have chosen Coke Zero. tnx!
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I wonder if stays there for long
 
9:55 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine ohhh is that the source of all those little clips on social media about NPCs
 
@AntonMenshov No problem! I'll fax you the bill :p
@TylerH no clue ^^"
 
looks interesting
thank you
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine We'll see
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I have been charged by lawyers for much less helpful conversations.
 
@TylerH in case you're interested, it's based on this YouTube series by the same people: youtube.com/…
Oh, reminds me...
 
9:58 PM
Nice day for fishing.
 
They also made this masterpiece: youtube.com/watch?v=PEe-ZeVbTLo
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I've also spoken with Sam about a certain symbolic gesture we can make, they seemed not to mind.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Make a printout of their new policy and shove it up their collective ass?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine that seems to be out both mine and their reach physically xD Tempting, though.
 
I mean, a collective ass is generally figurative anyway :p
unless it's a donkey collecting stuff, I guess
 
10:03 PM
I mean, reaching the US and proverbially shoving it :) Sigh
why, why SE keeps stumbling on the same rake over and over again?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I would genuinely never want to go to the US anyway
I prefer not being arbitrarily shot
 
SE is, officially, Sideshow Bob from my POV.
 
and Bart is the community? :P
 
in the sense that they are actively trying to kill us off? Yes, I suppose.
 
10:21 PM
So, I came back. And I see the other shoe dropped. It very much seems like Philippe is doing public manipulation there. I mean, what he says does have merit at its core - there is no actual foolproof way to detect AI generated content. No single detector works for it to a very high degree. Detectors are often right but I can buy an "unacceptably high false positive" rate being there. Definitely often enough a detector flags something as fake without that really being the case.
With that said, the solution isn't really to throw our hands in the air and do nothing about it.
It very much feels like the "guidance" is there to tie the hands of moderators.
 
@VLAZ well... public manipulation is their job description, basically, so...
 
It sounds good when saying that nobody should go by hunches or other non-concrete evidence but...there is nothing else to go on. Like, here and there somebody posts "This is from ChatGPT" or directly pastes the prompty + reply. That's concrete evidence. But nothing else would technically be acceptable.
 
the thing that probably pisses me off more than that is that SE, once again, tries to cover its tracks with the "inclusivity" argument.
 
10:54 PM
I was just gonna read some new replies to SE’s utter stupidity. Apparently, they deleted every other answer to their MSE post (which if fucking labelled «discussion»). What the fuck is this disgusting censorship?
Ok, I’m getting off again, before I get myself suspended for R/A.
 
Meh
Answers didn’t belong there
It wasn’t a question
 
@KevinB Yep. Cleverly crafted to be a Q&A pair, so any potential objection would not belong.
While basically all other announcements are just the question part. Thus leaving answers to discuss them.
 
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Q: package and java-package tag misdelivery: disambiguation needed

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Q: My question was closed, what did I miss?

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11:11 PM
@NordineLotfi Thank you. Sadly, I am addicted.
 
@VLAZ oh, wow, just wow.
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Q: Should dissenting answers on new policy posts be deleted by staff?

UndoStaff are deleting dissenting answers on What is the network policy regarding AI Generated content?, with the justification that they "don't typically host answers on policy posts". This question is intended to serve at a meta level as a place to discuss whether summarily deleting those answers i...

 
I’m possibly writing a new post (as a question) on MSE tomorrow, starting with «To all curators on the SE network: please abandon ship», with the reasons being that we’re treated like garbage, shoved away, and lied to.
Nice; I just reached my daily comment voting limit on MSE. Screw this shit.
@ZoestandswithUkraine Good idea. Please keep the comment archiver bot running. It’s especially important at this moment.
 
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