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Q: Gold tag is bugged in "Select your next tag"

BouncyBitsWhen I click on next tag, I get only the tags of the topic, the other tags for editing, reviewing aren't visible. Most importantly in the gold section it says "Showing top 100 of 371 available badges". But it is lying.

 
 
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9:32 AM
@NewPosts Related to that - don't we have a Q&A that explains that command line isn't just for super elite programmers but other people use it. Like sysadmins, power users, devops, etc.
We probably have a Q&A for "bash tools" which explains these things should be asked on SU/Unix.SE but I'm wondering about more general command-line usage. Because the main Q there used PowerShell which already isn't Bash. But more or less the same applies - it's not a "programming tool". Unless you're writing a script for it.
 
10:02 AM
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Q: Why aren't incorrect close voting discouraged with technical measures?

Lone LearnerTime and again I have seen that someone adds a close vote incorrectly (sometimes they mark it as opinion-based even when there is a clear objective question, sometimes they mark it as a duplicate of another question even though it is not). I guess most of these are honest mistakes because the clo...

 
stackoverflow.com/questions/75896928 The underlying issue seems to be asked about a lot, and it's not really a question about the code but about the terminal. I think a language-agnostic canonical for it ought to be on-topic for SO, though.
Speaking of "command line isn't just for super elite programmers".
 
 
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12:44 PM
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Q: Twitter 2.0 - window.opener returns null

user2920837We intend to connect to Twitter using API v2. The "https://twitter.com/i/oauth2/authorize?" launches a popup. User authentication and code retrieval are OK until we have to pass the code to the original caller (the actual app). window.opener=null For clarity purposes: The popup is launched from ...

 
1:37 PM
@NewPosts Try window.canOpener Because Twitter is a can of worms, heyooo! *pats own shoulder for the sick burn*
 
2:08 PM
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Q: Is there a way to disable autoupdated one the specif app from PlayMarket?

Sirop4ikThere is an app (installed on my device) where the last updated version of it is broken, so I don't want this app to be auto-updated (I would like to keep my current version). On the PlayMarket I see there is a setting where I can disable auto-update for all the apps, however, I am looking for a ...

 
@NewPosts A rare multi-digit user hit by a Q-ban? They have about 8 (out of 14) pages of answers with score of zero or below. Just looked as far as page 6 (sorted by score) where the zero-scored questions started.
Also, I am quite amused by the Q-banned people who I guess get a message that they can ask on Meta. And assume that when they have a question ban, that actually means they unlock a special site to ask on. Or something. And still ask their question on Meta.
@VLAZ "a rare multi-digit rep user"
 
2:26 PM
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Q: Add option to search for posts that were voted to be deleted, closed, etc by the user

JasonI frequently come across questions that are very similar to questions that I voted to "closed as duplicate" or "delete" etc. So currently I have to manually go to the votes tab and then click on the respective menu option like deleted, or closure etc. Thus I think that a feature for the main sear...

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Q: Close vote modal thinks I retracted my vote, but the question was closed and then reopened

TylerHThe close modal that is shown for questions you have successfully closed but which have since been reopened is showing the wrong header: The text says: You cannot vote to close again after retracting your vote (emphasis mine) I suspect this is shown because the system looks at the current stat...

 
2:44 PM
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Q: Why my Q&As are getting downvoted without any explanation?

MatinWhy the questions that I answer myself are getting downvoted without any comments or reasons? Look at this and this. I removed my answer posted on first one.

 
2:56 PM
so, to determine whether or not a given related question is relevant, we have to click it, thus telling their data collection that it was relevant
 
Yep. And if it is relevant but I don't click it then it's not relevant. So, if I right-click -> copy link -> close as dupe, then that doesn't count.
Nifty, huh?
But don't worry, your clicks clicks and mine are not statistically significant anyway.
 
i'm also not in the bucket, i assume
due to the ?rq still being 2
rq=1 is sidebar
 
Who knows if I am. I'm still hiding the atrocious placement in the middle of the page.
 
i unhid it so i can more easily participate in this process for now
 
I did disable it for a bit earlier to check something. I might be in the ML group because I saw a post where the suggestions seemed even worse than usual. But dunno. Might just have been just the old system.
 
3:04 PM
can always hide it later
 
I mean, same. I just don't want to look at it anyway. I was basically told I don't matter, so whatever.
 
interesting. i reloaded a page and now i get no related questions at all
 
Is there an answer posted? The related section would move back to the side bar.
 
no
no answer, and sidebar only has the bullitin
 
Evidently, nothing is related.
 
3:13 PM
no linked questions, no related tags, no recently earned tags, no nothing
 
The "related tags" is always empty for me. So dunno how that's even supposed to works.
 
it's all back now
 
@RyanM I hope my borrowing of your ChatGPT re-write doesn't fall under plagiarism. Or should I give proper attribution?
@RohanBari if the poster clearly denotes the quoted parts and does their best to attribute it to the original author, then it's not plagiarism. However, just putting a link somewhere in the post isn't enough, because we all have the time to play detective, right? — VLAZ 4 mins ago
 
3:57 PM
@VLAZ hmm, does that apply to an answer I made? for example: unix.stackexchange.com/a/640209/409852
 
Dunno - are you quoting or paraphrasing?
 
hmm, the one on Unix (former), I mostly used in the first edit my own knowledge, then the latest edit was after discussing with the other answer on the same question, which I acknowledged as better, and added additional clarification + warning (and related links to further reasoning)
for the one on SO, I mostly tried and failed locally since the feature they asked isn't entirely documented, and there isn't any good example online
@VLAZ just wanted a reality check since I wasn't sure
I feel like it's easier to know when you're quoting than for paraphrasing, since you could do it without noticing (eg: if you spew things you know matter_of_factly but do not have original source, except MRE that prove it, or related links found after the fact to further one own reasoning)
 
If you're paraphrasing something and link for more information, that's usually not plagiarism. E.g., you can say something like "Homer Simpson prefers doughnut charts <link to Homer Simpson talking about doughnut charts>" but if you are trying to present the idea as your own it would look like "Doughnut charts are the best because <insert all reasons Homer Simpson has used>"
 
4:13 PM
got you
 
And, to be clear, multiple people can reach the same conclusion independently. On SO we aren't quite rigid in having users show any prior work. It's not an academic field. I don't know how it works on more scientific stacks like Physics or Academia, though. But on SO, it's be plagiarism if your opinion has significant overlap with an already expressed one.
 
yeah, that makes sense :)
 
4:26 PM
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Q: A feature to copy the whole code without scrolling?

AkiraIt is usual (if not always) we copy code from a thread to run on our machine. If the code is long, we have to scroll the mouse carefully. I would like to ask if we can have copy button to easier copy code. This feature has been implemented in many websites. It's absurd that it is not available o...

 
^ Seems to be quite a popular request lately.
 
I feel like this might bring some people complaining down the line, especially since I heard on some Meta comments that people posted ransomware/destructive code obfuscated on purpose on some answers. If someone copy paste that too fast than they do usually, they might pin this on SO...(although the post might be deleted before it spread too fast, and it seems rare that I never noticed it myself)
 
It's more or less what the arguments against it I've seen. That and "it should provide attribution".
I don't really feel strongly towards the request one way or another. With that said, IMO, seems to be an improvement with little to no downsides. The "copy malicious code" point is moot. I very sincerely doubt anybody who was going to copy and run the code blind would have stopped to think if they had to drag and select the entire thing.
The attribution might be a good point. Adding a comment shouldn't be a huge issue, I hope. Something like // from <url to post> can be attached automatically. Change the comment markup based on the language of the snippet.
Of course, then one can point out "what if the language is wrong because the syntax highlighter rolled the dice wrong? THEN IT DOESN'T WORK!" well - too bad. So what? Fix it. The code might not compile anyway.
 
4:42 PM
@VLAZ yeah, the "copy malicious code" part was just me picturing a possibility. I never found any obvious ones that did that, and if they exist, they are probably already deleted (or thoroughly hidden). Even if this feature didn't exist, this won't stop those potential malicious answer to work, since they usually use tricks like hidden unicode char, etc which won't always be noticeable on most text editor/IDE (by default).
one way I have thought and also seen that work against this is using a raw text viewer like less or vim in a special mode, to see those character when needed/before executing
 
They do exist. Usually for very short time. For an example, see the transcript starting here:
yesterday, by VLAZ
In the future, please flag anyone trying to get you to run blatant malware for moderator attention. We will happily remove their ability to continue doing that. — Ryan M ♦ 7 mins ago
 
@VLAZ yeah, that one isn't hard to do. I once wished for this when I was making a project that made usage of lots of different SO answers: github.com/secemp9/screen_rec
had to manually hunt down the link in my history and bookmark. I think I forgot one or two but this is in my todo list
 
@NordineLotfi I mean, yeah - hidden unicode characters are always going to be a problem. MS Teams even tries to insert them occasionally. I spent a good half an hour trying to figure out why the same code worked differently on my machine vs somebody else's. We were both in the same call. Well, the code we sent each other via Teams was modified by Teams. Thanks Teams!
 
@VLAZ right, I didn't think of the comment support. I guess this might be slightly harder, especially for code that do not compile...or pseudocode
 
At any rate, if anybody wanted to copy the code anyway having the button or not won't change much.
 
4:48 PM
@VLAZ that surprise me a bit, given I thought Teams and Slack shared a lot of similarities. Was the difference caused by syntax highlighter? or some other chars/reasons?
 
@NordineLotfi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it should work in the majority of cases. Like, seriously, probably north of 90%. Except when he code is wrongly tagged/detected anyway. If the person who copies the code doesn't know how to properly change the comment for the code to compile...well, I feel like there is no problem there. They aren't ready to copy it anyway.
@NordineLotfi Syntax highlighter, I think. Or maybe it tried to wrap the messages for the output. Not sure. The code ran. But the if(something == "some string") didn't work because the string had extra invisible characters. Can't remember which ones.
 
@VLAZ This also reminds me of when people use MS Word as code editor, and then get surprised by the fact it adds unnecessary character in the text...although that one might be because of the markup support, but I can't help but feel there is a similarity here
@VLAZ yeah, I agree
 
As you said, Teams is very similar to Slack. When I first saw Teams, I thought the same - it seemed like MS's take on Slack. I had used Slack in the past. But when I started using Teams it seems like almost everything ended up slightly more annoying. There isn't anything super obvious to point as an example but, like, pretty much everything I tried in Teams ended up with me realising Slack did it better.
Each problem individually is a small and almost insignificant thing. But they add up quickly. Here is an example:
 
1. Click on Contacts, 2. Now Click on Contacts again. No, not this one, the one below the first one...the one in the dropdown??
 
There is a dropdown menu for two items. You can switch between seeing your contacts or your chats. I have to constantly flip between the two based on who I want to talk to. It's small - two clicks, but could have been just a couple of radio buttons/toggles at the top.
And even then, you eventually realise how you don't actually want to flip anyway. Chats and people are almost the same thing...unless you chat with several people. Ideally this would have been one list.
But there is also Teams. Which Slack called "Groups", IIRC. Well, same idea - you can enter voluntarily. But those are in a completely different place and any messages in a Team you can't easily see unless you go to yet another menu.
I constantly have the "you have unread messages" icon because there is constantly something that happened and I have to flip through multiple menus to acknowledge I've seen this. A chat message, a call (another menu, of course), or a reaction to a chat message.
Somebody giving me a thumbs up for "got it" after sharing information and I need to go look at the Notifications menu, so I tick it off. Even if I'm already looking at the message which has a reaction.
Then there is the rich text editor for message. I've said it before, I'll say it again - when I die and go to hell, my eternal torture would be using a WYSIWYG editor. Because literally every single one I've used or even seen is awful to write in.
 
5:05 PM
@VLAZ Yeah, it has a lot of obvious flaws, but seems non-obvious to the designer/dev...or maybe non-important even if they get reported
@VLAZ you know, I don't know about you, but I always cringed at the acronym WYSIWYG. As in, I already know this won't always be 1:1 with the acronym, and be closer to WISIWYG -> What I (the creator, dev, etc) See Is What You (the user) Get.
I feel like some people who use this acronym on their project do not notice that some feature, like a button that does X, do not do what it should be obviously do, even though it is literally what everyone is clearly seeing
Maybe it's creator bias, or something
Now you could argue that if it's at least explained in the docs, then it's the user fault right? But what about when It's not..and even if you report it, it never gets integrated in the docs or get fixed.
 
Old editor:
New editor:
What do these buttons do? In the old editor: adds a runnable snippet. In the new editor: makes a multi-line code block.
 
yep, non-intutive to the user, but intuitive to the creator(s)
I don't know if creator bias is a good term for this, but maybe it fit here (feel free to mention a better one)
 
5:34 PM
@VLAZ teams has a way to insert code snippets in messages. I find that it works better than simple copy paste into the message which ruins the formatting and treats it as rich text etc. Triple backticks like slack don't seem to work in teams
 
@VLAZ there are keybinds in the new editor that do one thing in the RTE mode and another in the markdown mode
;)
try toggling a code block in RTE mode
in the old editor, ctrl+k toggled block or inline, depending on context
if you had a whole line or multiple line selected, it created a block. Else, it created an inline
i don't necessarily expect a new editor to have all of the features of the old editor, but at least make the features it has consistent
in markdown mode you can toggle codeblocks with ctrl+m, in RTE mode you can only start the code blick with ctrl+m, to undo that you have to actually click the button
 
6:20 PM
> Error occurring in Production (TypeError: done is not a function)
> Why does my JavaScript code receive a "No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the re
the two are not related in any meaningful way
 
Except through the magic of Related.
And the CORS thing is one of the most highly voted and linked questions, right?
 
yes
this was #2: "Node emitters with express"
with a whopping 8 net score
at least it covers node and express
though, still 100% unrelated, ofc
> Why am I receiving Missing Keyword SQL/CFML Error?
Surely it's due to the divide by zero error they aren't getting: "How to avoid the "divide by zero" error in SQL?"
 
6:38 PM
You should always be prepared. What if they solved their missing keyword and the very next thing they did was divide by zero? Then clicking that Related item would have been useful and thus the click would have been a clear indication of that!
 
maybe this one would be related: "Create standalone coldfusion file (cfml) that compares files and get missing labels"
wait
it doesn't even use sql
i need more downvotes
 
@KevinB same
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat Oh, I know. I use that feature a lot. However, again it's something that requires more time and effort than it should. You need to expand to click a button that gives you all buttons, then you need to click the button that adds a snippet. That itself, might require another click to the button ... if the area is too small. Like, if you're opening the chat in the call. At any rate, once you've done all the clicking,
you might be tempted to paste immediately when the snippet editor shows up but wait you have to click again because by default it focuses the title of the snippet. And you want to paste multi-line code in the body. Sure, it makes sense to go top to bottom but also, no it doesn't because it's a friggin' IM editor. I'm not sitting there composing an article for a wiki. And any time I have to use that it very much feels I am. IM is supposed to be fast to write.
Not full of clicking to get to the one form you want then click around some more.
And if I only have one or two lines to paste, then the snippet thing feels entirely too cumbersome.
 
@VLAZ that's a bug because it's a regression
should be reported as such
 
Pretty sure it has been reported.
That's how I learned about it. Saw the report and I couldn't believe it. Then went and tested it.
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Q: Snippet button missing on Staging Ground question creation

Zach JenszI've been wondering why there is no 'create snippet' button when asking a question on Stack Overflow! I found this meta post asking where it was 7 months ago and staff mentioned that it was being worked on. Since then it appears we have an identical button that only creates a code block. I volun...

 
6:54 PM
it isn't a bug if it was never a feature
the new editor has never had support for the snippet tool
months ago (if not a year ago at this point) support for plugins was added as a response to the snippet tool not existing, and marked as completed... without a plugin to implement the snippet tool
 
wat
 
@TylerH You seem surprised the new editor fails in a fairly significant way.
I had exceptionally low hopes and tried to avoid looking at the new editor. Until that report above which made me try and figure out how to even reach it.
 
we did get a silly effects plugin tho
 
@KevinB Does the icon for it look like a sheet of paper with <> in the middle of it?
 
7:04 PM
presumably nothing actually uses that plugin
nothing public, at least
a mermaid plugin also exists
whatever that is
 
@VLAZ I'm surprised that it has been around for like 3 years and still fails in that particular way
 
SOT doesn't need snippets
 
@KevinB Also just over 11 months ago. Almost a full year.
@TylerH Yeah, I do share the bewilderment, then.
 
i can't imagine how any company needs SOT at all
If you're that disorganized, you have bigger problems
 
I think I've shared this before but at worst I'll be repeating myself: my previous company had some software that looked like SO Teams. But wasn't. It was before Teams existed. It was still a Q&A platform for internal use. I don't even know when or why they got a license. Some of support were using it. And eventually we (devs) got asked to answer a question or two there. There weren't a lot of Q&As even if it was in use for months.
We (again, devs) had most of our information on the wiki (Confluence). And few of the Q&A just repeated information there. Few others seemed entirely superfluous. I think they were added to just pad out the content.
 
7:10 PM
i hadn't heard that before
but we use ticket tools similarly.
if something comes up often, add it to the KB
done and done
 
With all that said, I think the number Q&As was low. Maybe 20-ish? Like the dev team stopped looking at it after the novelty wore off.
 
the tools needed to create a useful knowledgebase were entirely different from the tools you'd use to solve general problems
 
When I saw SO Teams, I was reminded of that product. SE trying to capture that market. Which went entirely underused at least in our company.
 
take a question like this for example: stackoverflow.com/questions/4849652/…
it has 2 whole pages of answers
that's not a useful KB entry
we don't need to also know all the crappy or out of date ways of solving the problem
there's only one accepted way to solve the given problem within the company, it doesn't need to have input from everyone who thinks they have an opinion
 
7:28 PM
@KevinB Speaking of, yesterday I had an issue with WSL. Googled it and landed on this SU question which showed the correct solution: wsl.exe --update. Also, like, a bunch of questions that basically go "I did it then waited and it worked" or mostly variations that don't really need separate answers.
Few answers seem to make a difference (probably for other circumstances) but overall, I don't see the need for 9 answers. And however many deleted ones there are. I know I commented one one which repeated four others. That one seems to be gone now.
 
If I ever get moderator powers there will be quite a lot of non-novel answers deleted on questions
 
deleting answers doesn't increase your flags handled count
I can't do regular tasks regularly. I"m not the kind of person that can goin, every day, weeks on end, handling 10-100 tasks, i'm instead the kind of person who'll login at 2am on a saturday and handle a few thousand then not touch it for a week
the way action limits work on SO are very counter productive to my way of doing things
i work on impulse
 
7:45 PM
@TylerH I'll vote for Dharman 2.0H
 
I read that 2.0H as two handed for some reason
 
it fits
a 2handed weapon deals far more damage than a 1h
 
I am sure Dharman uses both hands for moderation
 
But does Dharman wield two mod hammers or one two-handed mod hammer?
Hmm, also - if you become a mod, could you wield a hammer in one hand and a Dharman in your other hand while Dharman holds two hammers?
 
kinda sad when the easiest way to find old highly-popular questions with garbage answers is to use the related questions tool
 
7:57 PM
No, I think Dharman would be an extremely large 2-handed weapon, so you'd have to take a lot of extra feats to dual wield him
 
> Bootstrap grid system not applying
only one related question is about grid systems, but it's the wrong grid system
surely there's at least one bootstrap grid question out there to compliment this one
4 more hours till SO turns on whatever stupid data gathering feature they've built for 04/01
when a CORS question can't even pull up a single CORS related question
 
8:14 PM
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Q: How do I get my question reopened?

Climate Tech HandbookMy question was closed because it was not worded properly. The helper box prompted me to edit my question but it is still closed. I'm unable to find instructions on what to do next to get it reopened.

 
8:25 PM
@aynber or just be a large creature?
 
8:37 PM
laughs in fox
 
@KevinB Oh...right. It's that time of the year again.
I was thinking of preparing a joke FR on MSE. Well, there is always next year, I guess.
@NewPosts Yes, the "guess what my problem is". This time posted on Meta. I'd hazard a guess that's why the question on Main which we can't see was closed originally.
 
8:54 PM
@KevinB if you think that's bad you should see the one for parsing an integer in Java
there's one page of non-deleted answers, out of four pages total
 
just a random one i pulled from the front page
 
@RyanM That sounds better than having all that trash still not deleted. I mean, it's a low bar but still better.
 
Another mod complained, tongue-in-cheek, that in deleting a huge chunk of them to get it down to one page, I'd triggered the bug where if the count of deleted answers is less than a page, every answer is displayed on the first page for users who can see deleted posts.
@VLAZ I mean I only deleted the duplicates; I left the trash as long as it was 1) unique, 2) actually solving the problem described in the question.
but yes it's much better than it was :-)
 
there's some trash that i wouldn't be able to refrain from deleting
as an SME in that area
when an answer has a very high score and is actively misleading users
 
@KevinB Or has a score of, like, 5 and you are powerless to do anything about it. You downvote it, it's now at 4 and still above answers that 1. actually work. 2. are way better.
But you upvote those answers and now they are scored 2.
 
9:04 PM
i mean
this one is scored 842
so,
people upvoted it because it solves the problem "using jquery" in a way jquery was never meant to be used and serves no useful purpose outside of being clever
 
9:17 PM
@KevinB I had completely forgotten about it. My disappointment it's happening is immeasurable, and my day, ruined
 
your welcome
 
@KevinB There is one answer that's totally wrong but highly voted, and I happen to be the current maintainer of the library it's about. Someone on chat suggested that I should update the documentation to say not to do that, then cite the documentation saying not to do that :D
 
iirc this one does that
 
really if that breaks for some reason in a future version of the library I will not be especially sorry
 
it links to a feature request to add official support for this usage, and it was denied for being stupid
 
9:22 PM
Actually I just thought of an edge case where it'll leak memory
 
the use in this case is using $(...).attr() to access object properties.
like
it's stupid
$(foo).attr('bar') vs foo.bar
 
this case is how to remove an item from an adapter-backed list
the correct answer is remove the item from the adapter's data and notify a change
they remove the item from the adapter's data, notify a change, and manually meddle with the list's children and remove the view themself
you don't need to do that! there's no reason to do that! it just makes things worse!
it's trivially testable by simply not doing that and noting that it still works
the fact that it breaks other things in subtle ways is harder to notice, though
really I should just edit in a bunch of scary warnings
"this is totally unsupported, can leak memory, and will reduce performance by breaking recycling of views"
 
I really wish the count of answers did not include deleted ones
 
i mean, or,
just click that delete link
 
or that the total including deleted ones were a separate count
 
9:31 PM
and it's gone
 
also tempting!
 
It's annoying to see "n answers" and click through to the answers page from review (or click to a 2nd or 3rd page of answers) and see that they're all deleted.
Almost always (possibly actually always) when I want to know how many answers a question has, I want to know how many undeleted ones it has
Could also just have one number and on hover a tooltip shows something like "this question has deleted answers which are not included in the total answer count"
visible to everyone even if they can't see the deleted answers
 
9:55 PM
hmm. rhino seems like the perfect name for a javascript interpreter written in java
 
@KevinB In that technically a Rhino is a unicorn but nobody pictures a rhino when they think "unicorn"?
(to be honest, I really didn't know where I was going with this. And it's late but I'm still up...)
 
was more thinking the current US political environment, but yes that works too, for both
 
10:26 PM
 
 
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Q: For the purposes of the "Related" section of the Q&A UI, what definition of "related" aligns closely to what users of Stack Overflow find value in?

userAt the time of this writing, SE Inc. is experimenting with Machine-Learning-powered links in the "Related" section of the Q&A UI. There's a question that I see as a prerequisite to having fruitful discussion on this that I'm not sure if we've ever "sat down and talked about": What definition of "...

 

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