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Q: Why is "asked today modified today viewed xxx times" below title automatically hidden?

D GWhen I load a page there is an info as follow below the title but it becomes disappeared immediately. I have no chance to read it. What is the purpose of automatically hiding this info?

 
 
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1:48 AM
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Q: Remove Staging Ground section from Help Center

DhaustNow that Staging Ground is officially on hold, remove all references to it from the Help Center. Or at least clearly indicate that it's on hold.

 
 
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7:59 AM
> Welcome to DownVoteVille, what is the problem downvoters?
This is definitely not DownVoteVille. I just have forgotten to take that left after Albuquerque.
 
8:17 AM
> The [WPF] tag has been hijacked by ~3 high rep people who think they know everything about WPF (they don't) and have bizarre opinions about how people should be using WPF, and either close or downvote nearly every post they don't answer or write themselves, respectively.
What, WPF is the new regex? Or is it the new pandas? Or the new unity3d?
 
 
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10:51 AM
Cool, who are they?
 
 
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4:06 PM
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Q: Access To Community Moderation Tools?

Gokul Nath KPApart from moderators, are there any plans to expand community moderation tools to other users with certain reputations to empower users in maintaining the quality of content? Disclosure: As of today, I'm not aware about the list of moderator tools available.

 
@NewPosts I am aware of only a few but I don't think us mortals really need those tools: account destruction, unilateral closure/reopen/deletion/undeletion, launch Godzillas, and editing comments.
 
Destroy all the accounts! Muahahaha
 
I suppose having less restrictions on how close votes are to be used might be useful. Allowing you to swap a close vote, for example.
 
Recognized users in some (all?) collectives can approve/edit articles
discussions "mods" are discussions "mods"
gold tag badges grant gold tag holders the dupe hammer
 
4:25 PM
@VLAZ I need Godzilla by my side.
 
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Then I suggest you become a mod
 
@VLAZ No, thank you.
 
Well, the other option is to annoy a mod enough so they launch a Godzilla at your location.
 
Ooooh, good idea. Let me do that.
 
5:13 PM
Why is Google Translate so bad at translating Icelandic?
Why do I even need a translator for this sentence? Embarrassing.
Oh, dear, wrong room.
 
 
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7:07 PM
Neat. now they're farming discussions for blog content stackoverflow.blog/2024/03/18/…
 
7:19 PM
Who do they think they are, BuzzFeed?
 
7:38 PM
god, the quality level of management decisions just skyrocketed downward after Joel sold the company
 
What flag do we use for questions that literally aren't questions
> I decided to write my article as a question because i thought it was useful and i'm new here
 
is this a discussion or a question?
if it's a question, cv as unclear
 
8:30 PM
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Q: For algorithm-design-related debugging-type questions, is compact pseudocode better than a runnable, but very long, MCVE?

Quack E. DuckSuppose one has a question about a problem with a specific piece of code. The code produces incorrect output in a small number of cases, and works as intended the rest of the time. The asker believes that the bug is entirely related to program logic/algorithm design choices, and is not related to...

 
 
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9:31 PM
@aynber BlogFeed
Very impressive.
> I would like to talk to someone [...]
Welcome to Stack Overflow in 2024.
The year that chat was abandoned in favour of chatting on the main site. Yay!
 
ehhh that seems like, fine as a discussion
title needs work though (okay, needed work; I decided to help out...) .
 
9:46 PM
> I would like to talk to someone about JavaScript
wouldn't be a good discussion
that's what this discussion boils down to
 
I think the specific thing they want to discuss is "where to start my adventure with this language"
 
by opening an editor.
 
Which is, y'know, vague but discussable
 
@KevinB Word? Pages? LibreOffice Writer?
 
I mean, maybe there are good tutorials, starter projects, etc.
 
9:48 PM
If they want to ask for learning opportunites ask for that
not just... "lets discuss"
 
Well, they did ask the specific thing I quoted
 
that's not a specific thing
lol
 
"On this episode of let's discuss, we will be talking about having a conversation about discussing! The end"
 
It's specific enough to be cogently discussed. Like "you should jump right in and write a hello world app" vs "MS has these great resources" vs. "our tag wiki that two people have read ever is surprisingly good" vs. "this is a great book"...
Like if I were starting Android today I'd be pretty overwhelmed by all the resources out there (which is a good problem to have!) and maybe want some advice on where to get started
 
The question body is still badly misshaped.
From an SEO perspective, how much will these discussions pollute SO's ranking by the search engines? (Assuming that there will be more than 327 discussion top-level posts sometime in the future)
 
10:02 PM
badly
they're definitely being indexed, you can tell by searching for an exact title in google
Given there's no mechanism for finding discussions that have already occured, nor any tools for dealing with duplicates, it's just going to become an unmanageable mess
 
It's something I'm worried about on Codidact, too, where all the categories are in the same URL authoritity.
 
codidact will never have that problem
it's never going to gain any traffic such that it's existence matters
the name alone is awful, noone's gonna remember that the first time they see it
 
Anyway; off to find more high quality discussions:
> Does coding get boring ?
> I am quite confused and stuck on this step for a while. Hey help is really appreciated.
> This is my first discussion thread. please be gentle.
> Please list free Hosting website I can upload my project as a junior frontend developer
> How to print a grid on a tkinter window ?
 
 
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Yeah I'm using a light touch because normal users can't edit, and so there's at least currently a bit more of a presumption that the posts are what the author expressed, verbatim
I personally would like to see some changes to that, but for now...
 
10:14 PM
@RyanM The purpose is a "discussion", hence people get to be personal, and be in full control over what they post. So no, you're not meant to edit.
 
this one's literally a question that should be on Q&A
and then closed/deleted
does it only still exist because it would be closed/deleted?
i doubt i haven't already flagged it before, i recognize the user, but i can't tell because the feature was released before it was finished.
it even has a collection of answers
i spent time with a HS student recently, to help them with a particular issue and it was extremely frustrating. like, they'd point at a section of code and say "this code does X but i need it to instead do Y", and when i probed them on how the current code accomplishes what it's currently doing so that i could understand how it would need to be modified... they didn't know. it was clear the code was just inherited,
it frustrated me because they were trying to solve problems with tools they didn't understand, rather than trying to understand the tools... their process was move the code around till it works
I can't imagine having to work on something in that way
but i fear the way people are learning to program now days (and for the past 5-10 years) is making that somewhat normal, when you can just paste something into a text field, whether it be google SO or an LLM, and get something to paste into your editor
 
10:41 PM
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Yeah, I'm not sure it should be, like, quite as extensive as Q&A. But like...IMHO title and tags ought to be fair game for other users to edit
 
> Is python or c++ better for making high graphic 3D games??
> I want to make a game sort of like "Apex Legends". I recommend ya'll search it up so you know what I'm talking about.
Python. Definitely Python.
I estimate 3 months of development time for a single developer.
@RyanM Wait, so you think Discussions (TM) have a place on the site in any form at all?
 
Its place on the site is being referenced on mso as yet another failed experiment
 
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I'd say...maybe. Chat has a place, I'd say, and so...maybe a discussion forum can find its niche? I can imagine it as a more informal place for...well, discussions
I don't think it has found that niche yet, and I don't think it's really the best thing for the company to be spending the level of resources on that it is, but...
 
@RyanM Maybe as a new Q/A site instead of being forced into Stack Overflow?
 
I think trying to use a Q&A engine directly for discussion doesn't work great
It kinda works on the meta sites, but...it's a pretty restrictive format
 
10:53 PM
I've tried
Other forum software I've had the experience of using honestly aren't much better.
 
(see also the various comment threads on meta with mods and/or staff reminding people to post substantive responses as answers, not comments)
 
What even is the purpose of having a discussion if it's not discoverable, you can't learn anything from reading past discussions, and the thread is filled with 2000 pages of repeated content, 80% of it being unconstructive responses from people not willing to constructively partake in any sort of professional discussion?
@RyanM That would pollute the place. Comments on Meta cannot just be transient.
Just the same way comments on the main site cannot always be required to be transient. Comments are the only way to express disagreement or critique of posts.
My one downvote won't make a difference to an answer with 100+ upvotes, nor is it of any use to not explain why the answer is bad. Deleting it is often not an option.
 
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I really mean people trying to write short answers as comments; I of course agree that comments are not always transient, especially on meta. The problem with putting them as comments and not answers is precisely that they can't be commented on (or properly voted on)
 
They're often responses to other comments, though. Posting them as answers instead would remove the context that they were posted in.
 
Then it sounds like the problem is that the comment they were responding to should have been an answer
 
11:00 PM
Not that we need 1 million posts for the things we've told staff 50 times in answers, 50 times in questions, and 1 million times in comments already.
 
Trying to follow multiple interwoven discussions in the comments works poorly
Someone will post a discussion asking what to do about a problem, and people will post possible solutions in the comments...those are answers. There are reasonable things to post as comments, like things that aren't a proposed solution, but solutions should be answers
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Well, yeah, I mean, if it's just like "go read [this other post]" then that's of course a comment
 
11:32 PM
@RyanM Sounds an awful lot like Discussions (TM) should just be Q/A with a license to avoid closure.
Yeah, I know you were talking about Meta.
 

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