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12:16 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by peterh
@IMSoP There is no python4 on the roadmap, at least not for some decades. The lang devs have learnt the 2->3 lession. Somewhere I have read, they consider python4 as a joking example for a decade of needless sucks. — peterh 22 secs ago
 
12:42 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
The system considers them separate tags, so much so that search won't surface questions that only have the child tag. So from a system perspective I don't think that it's a bug. Even if the designed behaviour is not good and would be better if the system treated them as if they were the same tag for all intents and purposes. — Henry Ecker ♦ 58 secs ago
 
 
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2:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@HenryEcker I don't think that behavior is necessarily designed...at least the fact that search affirmatively replaces synonyms, but the backend only checks against the unreplaced tag, is certainly a bug. — Ryan M ♦ 58 secs ago
 
3:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
@RyanM I agree the fact that search doesn't work is a bug—not being able to use the search feature to find questions that you're looking for is a bug with search. However, its cause is that synonyms are treated as distinct tags. Searching for [a] only surfaces [a] because [a] <> [b] even if search will rewrite [b] -> [a]. My point is that I don't believe a gold-tag badge not applying to a child synonym is a bug because it is consistent with how synonyms are treated everywhere. [a] <> [b] so you can't use a tag badge for [a] to close a question with [b]. — Henry Ecker ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Again though, I think it would be better if [a] and [b] were treated as the same tag for everything including search and tag privileges. I'd even like to see them have a combined tag score so that both tags contributed to earning tag badges. But I don't have any indication that there is any connection between synonyms at a system level other than tag edit and search rewriting. — Henry Ecker ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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4:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tripleee
@RyanM Should the unhyphenated version also be made a synonym? — tripleee 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Please don't post rants about how the site isn't living up to expectations as if they were answers. — Karl Knechtel 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
In the case of the specific question, it Needs More Focus: it's clearly a work order without any attempt at analyzing the underlying problem - it's not asking about the necessary technique, even if solving the problem happens to be (per the answers) as simple as applying that technique twice. However, I've opted to answer this meta post more generally. — Karl Knechtel 51 secs ago
 
 
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5:53 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Note: The tag would have been deleted automatically in a day as long as no one else added it to any question. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@tripleee I don't think there is a need for that given creating that now will be blocked due to similarity with the hyphenated one. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@KarlKnechtel Oh, but you are wrong. This IS a valid answer to "How should I, as a responsible user, deal with a situation like this as I strive to adhere to the SO policy when asking or answering questions?" Deal with it by accepting that even hi-rep users are rewarded for not adhering to an illusive "SO Policy". Thank you for your assessment... — Fe2O3 43 secs ago
 
6:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Unfriendly? Yes. But not abusive. It isn't targeted at a known user. Weird just means out of the ordinary and unusual behavior and OP explained their reasoning for calling such behavior "weird" or unusual. Outside of Meta, no one believes just voting without commenting is rational and I don't think expressing such belief at a incognito voter is abusive by any stretch of standards. — TheMaster 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
"In this other question, one comment provided constructive disambiguation that could help the asker clarify their problem. All comments got deleted." <--- This statement is false. No comments on that question have been deleted. That question has no comments and never has had any comments. — Makyen ♦ 40 secs ago
 
6:29 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Asking if what happened was "fair" isn't going to be productive, and is likely to result in people responding negatively. You would likely get a much more positive response if you edited your question here to be about either how to improve your question and/or asserted that that your question was in a state where it could be reopened (explaining that the requirements for debugging questions listed in the close notice have been met) and asked that it be undeleted and reopened. — Makyen ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
When the question has been closed, it didn't contain any code. It was just linking to some external code. The closing seems correct to me. Your editing has improved the question, but it was auto deleted before it got enough reopen votes (although links to a known video site would be preferable to a file download from an unknown site). — BDL 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Your question was closed when it didn't have a minimal reproducible example (A link to GitHub doesn't count as one), you added code to the question later. I don't see anything unfair in that closure. Removing the solution from the question isn't a problem either, that has been the community consensus since a long time. The deletion was also an automatic one, I don't see anything unfair in this. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Of note is that while the question did enter the reopen queue, nobody submitted a review. I note, also, that while a moderator mentioned, in a comment on the question several days prior to the question being deleted, the option of you posting here on Meta Stack Overflow to ask for your question to be reopened, but that you did not do so. — Makyen ♦ 19 secs ago
 
6:55 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jojje
There is obviousy a "close the question" culture here on SO. Sometimes this is bkz the moderator does not understand or does not agree. — Jojje 18 secs ago
 
7:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
Unfriendly is a binary decision while there is probably a whole spectrum of more or less friendly or unfriendly comments out there. There will always be a gray zone. The important thing is that the comment got removed. That was the aim. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@user4581301 "it's because of responses like that that few people explain downvotes and are recommended to not explain." We don't know why people do not often explain downvotes. Could also be simply not wanting to spend time on that. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 30 secs ago
 
7:38 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
All of the points you've raised here have been discussed, in-depth, in answers on this question. To summarise: If AI answers are that good, users can just ask the AI, not SO. — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Later on, I edited again with a working solution to the problem" -> That certainly is unfair. The rules also apply to you, just like anyone else. You have no right to just ignore them as you please. — Gimby 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
I said in my answer So even if we don't use it as a complete tool, we can get help from it. But consider a few things. 1. This tool is new and getting better every day as it is now better than before. 2. The reason to oppose it is probably not only that the answers are wrong, but that it has affected the jobs and job market of programmers.But consider a few things. 1. This tool is new and getting better every day as it is now better than before. 2. The reason to oppose it is probably not only that the answers are wrong, but that it has affected the jobs and job market of programmers. — Paul Vek 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
3. This tool itself is created by programmers, although a created tool can create another tool if it is developed! 4. Your answer looks more like stubbornness. If it is a good tool, ask the same! This is wrong. No one said that AI has replaced programmers or that they are no longer needed or that AI answers are correct. I also said that artificial penis answers can be wrong or right. — Paul Vek 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
None of what you said even touches on why we should allow AI content for building a library of high quality knowledge. The only points you're trying to put forward are: 1. "but it might be right" and 2. "You're just feeling threatened" which not even discussing AI on SO properly. At best, your argument works if we were trying to build a help desk. Which we're not. — VLAZ 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@DanMašek yes but that still makes saying "which of course breaks the whole of stack exchange" an unhealthy bit of projection. Not the best opener for a meta post. No most of it should operate just fine without images. — Gimby 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
That your question was handled the way it was and that you're getting these responses here doesn't mean we aren't sympathetic or that the handling of your question, after you added code to it, couldn't have been better. Unfortunately, the site has only so many volunteers who put in only so much time. While we strive to handle things as best we can, it's not always going to work out in the best possible manner. That also doesn't even start to get into the difference in goals between the site (good quality Q&A useful to future visitors) and most of the people asking questions (problem solved). — Makyen ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
1: We're not making rules for the future state of AI. These rules are for the current state. 2: No. SO was getting absolutely flooded with AI-generated low-quality content. Answers that looked good but were widely inaccurate. 3: Irrelevant. 4: No, you just completely seem to misunderstand why this AI ban is in place. — Cerbrus 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
Ok, I'm the only one who didn't understand who the user SO ? Do you have a link for me to see? — Paul Vek 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
1. The creation of content is not of your authorship, AI-generated content is based on content extracted from the internet that may or may not be in disagreement with the platform's content licensing model. 2. The nature of LLM tools does not include meeting minimum quality requirements required here on the platform, the only requirement that tools must meet is to respond to the prompt, regardless of accuracy or factuality, it must only respond and appear convincing. — Augusto Vasques 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
You are free to do whatever you want, and you are also free to code in the way that suits you best. What is being said here is that please do not use AI-generated content to simulate the authorial creation of content for the platform, because: — Augusto Vasques 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Sorry, I don't quite understand your last comment @PaulVek... "who the user SO"? What should I link to? — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"So why are they apparently not happy to give us, even an 'almost' clean slate" - bans are not a punishment, they are a measure to protect the knowledge base from further damage. Measures as serious as that are not revoked on a whim. — Gimby 12 secs ago
 
8:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@TheMaster It is abusive per application of the Abusive behavior policy. It would be bullying and harassment should it continue with follow-up comments. Hostile comments in any case, check. Denigration is also present. Moreover, your second statement is highly contestable. Where exactly is that decent and unbiased voting system where people are forced to comment alongside their vote? — E_net4 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by helvete
I searched for questions regarding this bug but at no avail. Thanks for the hint! — helvete 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ache
You focus too much on legalese and overlook the rule's spirit: to share useful questions and contributions. That closed question was a clear example, well-documented and valid. Your failure to review it properly shouldn't be held against users. Comments were deleted, and I didn't lie about it. Why make up such a strange story? Maybe the question was deleted and reposted. You lack self-reflection. @Makyen timidly admits the moderation mishandled the question, but only after heaps of hostility. You're not defending yourself; you're showing how your moderation culture has become toxic. — Ache 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Ache You're the only one who seems to be assuming that the "rule's spirit" is to share useful content. In a way it is, but 1) it has a bigger focus on quality than other Q&A platforms; and 2) it leaves the decision as to whether something is useful to the user base through voting, rather than having someone decide unilaterally. This is to say that your perceived assessment on the quality of a question may differ from other people's assessment. — E_net4 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Ache Aside from that, I would advise you to take a step back and come back with a level head. Moderators can really see deleted comments and have no interest in lying to you. — E_net4 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Bergi
@Jojje Questions that are hard to understand, by at least three people moderating it, or questions that evoke opinions that one could agree or disagree with, should be closed. — Bergi 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
@augusto-vasques To make it clearer. I never copied AI answers. I never put the code that AI gave me here. I think there is a misunderstanding. I only got help from AI for some parts I had problems with, I ended up writing most of the code myself, but for the final remaining problems or things I didn't know, I put them on the stack. I don't disagree with your policy, as long as you have proper tools for proofreading, and nothing is wrong with the AI code, and if someone gets help from it rather than a complete answer, it's better to disagree if they get help. do not exist — Paul Vek 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Sigh, the internet. Will it ever learn the difference between racism and discrimination? — Gimby 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
I didn't say that you copied and pasted AI answers. I just cited two reasons for not using AI tools to generate the answers. — Augusto Vasques 7 secs ago
 
9:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Can we get some warnings to the people who voted to close that question please? The meta effect should not become the meta defect. — Gimby 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
No, the exact criteria are deliberately kept vague / secret, to prevent people from gaming the system. — Cerbrus 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
12 and 18 upvotes over 7 years isn't "many"... That said, you need 3000 rep to be able to cast reopen votes. Another option would be to edit the question in such a way that the closure reason gets resolved. That will put the question up for review. — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Note that closure doesn't necessarily mean it's not good information. It's just not a good fit for Stack Overflow. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
 
10:15 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
That bullet list at the bottom needs to go first. It is like the question was written to on purpose make people hate it. I not only says "I don't want to do research, you tell me" - this question grabs people by the collar, shakes them violently and screams in their face. — Gimby 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
How many bad questions are you allowed. Zero. — rene 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
I feel like that may be a good question but it does need an edit. I am personally refraining from doing that since I am not an SME on R. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
Anyone who is considerate with their peers should refrain from asking bad questions intentionally, don't you agree? And there is no urgency or exception clause to apply in this scenario (no question is so important as to warrant being pushed before it was well researched and written). — E_net4 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard Love Zelda
@gparyani I believe that's the case indeed, IMO worth an answer. Worst case, if it's not, staff can always come and post the actual reason, and delete your own. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
I have a great deal of sympathy with the comment - I hate anonymous downvotes, it seems a completely negative behaviour and I have complained about it many times. By all means complain about it, but be civil in the way you do so. — Michael Kay 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by George Stocker
I would have declined it too. When I was a moderator, users that would eviscerate others but "technically" not be unkind would seem to be the ones that loved to custom flag folks saying one word out of line against them. It felt like the rules lawyers were coming out to play back then. I see some similarities in this. — George Stocker 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@MichaelKay We're not discussing that matter here, but I'll just leave this here temporarily. By all means, do not complain about it. — E_net4 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"I cannot understand why it was closed." This seems pretty obvious: because it lacks focus. There are four sub-questions there: "declaring it", "What it is?", "what is used for?", "some examples". Can you clarify why you don't understand the closure? — MisterMiyagi 9 secs ago
 
10:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
I am impressed with your choice if terminology. Not "question ban", but "loss of question privilege". Very accurate. That melts my icy walls. I can reckon that you looked at your user CP and noticed that half of your questions are downvoted, and are now getting a little nervous perhaps? It helps to provide context you know, the question in its terse form will raise the hairs of most battle-hardened meta dwellers I would say :) — Gimby 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
Mod note: Comments complaining about anonymous downvotes are not relevant to this question; please refrain from continuing to post them here. There are plenty of other discussions about this; please direct your comments there instead. See also meta.stackoverflow.com/q/393913/6296561 and meta.stackoverflow.com/q/357436/6296561Zoe is on strike ♦ 30 secs ago
 
10:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@GeorgeStocker Considering that the message in question was triggered by a downvote, that is the postcard message of taking downvotes too damn personally. I've said this way too many times now: if people cannot remain respectful in the face of adversity, that will inevitably hit them in the rear later on. — E_net4 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Still curious that there is an even bigger spike last week though. Something must be driving more people to the site, causing them to get automatically logged in. — Gimby 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@E_net4 Except there is no direct feedback to the user except the comment being deleted. So they would notice that either way, but they will not get any upfront warning until they really cross the line. "If people cannot remain respectful in the face of adversity.." I can count number of people I know that can really do that using only one hand (maybe two if I try hard). — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
If the user is the one that tends to cross the line often enough, then such behavior will be noticed soon enough. And broader set of comments can be taken into account when deciding action. Not just the UU ones. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Looks to me like a Duplicate of "What does the dot mean in R – personal preference, naming convention or more?" (+96) anyway, (mentioned in the Comments), which has 2 Answers (+138)&(+31) with much more info than the one Answer (+18) for the Question (+13) you want to get reopened... — chivracq 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@MisterMiyagi, I think "What is it?" and "What is it used for?" are kind of the same question. At least is this case, they have the same answer. From my perspective, I had never seen a variable with prefixed dots, and this question and answer cleared it up for me, so from my perspective, it seemed like a good answerable question. — Chechy Levas 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“Why don't you accept AI codes and answers?” - Those answers are factually and technically wrong. ChatGPT responses will never be able to generate quality programming answers. — Security Hound 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@Gimby, I don't think considerations on the style or "personality" of the question should be overly relevant, as long as it is not intentionally being rude. — Chechy Levas 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@ChechyLevas there is a big difference between what should and should not happen, and reality. The reality is that this question was doomed from the beginning. — Gimby 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@chivracq, not really a duplicate but could be considered related.. The question in your link deals with parameter names, and the question I linked to deals with variable names. Part of the answer in your link does actually address the question I linked to, but the questions themselves are not quite the same. — Chechy Levas 56 secs ago
 
11:28 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Although I normally tend to be generous with interpreting the "preserve author intent" thing, I disagree with your answer edit. Adding explanation to an answer missing it is one thing but changing both the code and explanation entirely is another. You might as well post a new answer at this point. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
"downright incorrect question" -- shouldn't that have been closed then, rather than answered? — Dan Mašek 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@AbdulAzizBarkat then tell me, what is the goal of this site? Adding answers? Or providing one hundred twenty seven thousand people with a quality answer to their question, instead of some bullshit? — Your Common Sense 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@DalijaPrasnikar Unfortunately, if there is one thing that the site will hardly ever manage to solve is set the right expectations, which includes not taking feedback for granted. I agree it's not ideal, but I don't see how removing and declining a flag handles the situation any better. It is also not just about seeing all comments posted by a user, but knowing when it's high time to do something about that user. Flagging comments at higher severity levels is what helps to determine this. — E_net4 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@DanMašek it should have been. It wasn't. Now it's too late to discuss that. — Your Common Sense 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
If you think an answer is wrong / not useful, etc. then downvote it. If you feel it is completely unrelated to the question delete vote it. Don't use edits to author a new answer. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
It is quaint that you treat this post as if you're doing a complete reboot of your senses, but you wrote this piece of work 7 months ago so you have been aware "for a while" that Stack Overflow is pretty much collapsing under its own weight. Not only from people pushing in unwanted content but also people who act like they own the place. — Gimby 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
It is very strange that people of here do not make a difference between freshly asked questions and old high traffic posts. Your primitive logic is only applicable to new|low traffic questions. this post is a part of library now. In order to follow the letter, you are ruining the noble purpose of this site. — Your Common Sense 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
When the title of the question gets edited, Google adjusts the terms that it ranks for accordingly. It usually takes at least two weeks, sometimes a couple months. — Stephen Ostermiller ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
"your primitive logic". You are really not here to make friends, right? In any case, barring historical locks, all posts are treated the same. — yivi 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
EXACTLY. So now people looking to remove that stupid entity from their data, will find answers that do a completely different thing. — Your Common Sense 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
It's funny that the question is asked by an account that's less that's two weeks old. — yivi 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
By the way, you didn't answer question which I asked: why, as a moderator, you are forcing people to create a forum-like discussion, when the tour page explicitly states there should be nothing like this. — Your Common Sense 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dennis Leeftink
@yivi yes, I got caught by the new streamlined sign-up process.. — Dennis Leeftink just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
I'm not sure I follow. Forums allow for discussion with a back and forth between users. Every answer here is meant to be independent and ordered by votes. Creating a new independent answer, getting it voted up, and down-voting incorrect answers is how this non-forum was designed to work. — Stephen Ostermiller ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"suddenly a moderator swooped upon this question and made the most illogical edits * making question title to match the body, instantly invalidating most existing answers" Which edit are you referring to here? As far as I can tell, the change of the title (and the body, in fact) was initially done by a user, then reverted by you, then re-reverted by a moderator. At no point does a moderator seem to have created an edit of the question on their own. — MisterMiyagi 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
tbf, if you're going to look at signups, and ask questions on meta about data anomalies? You're clearly in the right place, 2 week old account, or 2 year old account. Clearly OP fits right in :D — Journeyman Geek 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@MisterMiyagi why even bother with such hairsplitting? Revert is an edit all the same. — Your Common Sense 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@Stevoisiak Though, surely we want to run the experiment on a site where it's less likely to work, if the eventual plan is to do this network-wide? (Unless we're planning to have different approaches for different sites.) — wizzwizz4 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
Forums order posts by user choice with one set as default. So this forum exactly does. And in order to find an answer which is not that ancient, you'd better to follow the other forums defaults, or you'll never find it, unless it was advertised in a hyping meta post. Anyway, it's how it should be according to your sermons. It's about how it is. Any popular questions strikingly resembles a forum page, where finding useful information is extremely difficult. — Your Common Sense 29 secs ago
 
12:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
I agree that a middling old answer with lots of upvotes is extremely hard to unseat from its top position. I've provided a very high-quality late answer to What is the difference between a URI, a URL, and a URN? that is ranked third by votes. I don't expect it every to reach the top. That is unfortunate. Stack Overflow hasn't figured out the solution to this problem. However, your proposed solution of overwriting the top answer has already been soundly rejected. Edits to existing posts should reflect the intent of the original author. — Stephen Ostermiller ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
Here we go again: I cannot think any other intent than providing a detailed, high quality answer. Can you? — Your Common Sense 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
"I don't expect it every to reach the top" - is it why did you write it though? Why not to edit that tour page than, making it "To let people show off with their answers". That would be honest description of the current attitude. — Your Common Sense 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
"I don't expect it every to reach the top" sounds like a competition. This entire site is centered about answer's score. Why not to edit that tour page then, making it "To let people show off with their answers". That would be honest description of the current attitude. — Your Common Sense 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@YourCommonSense Because it makes quite a difference whether mods did it in opposition to what users did, or to resolve a conflict between two opposing preferences of users. The primary driving force here seems to be still with users, not moderators. — MisterMiyagi 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
That title edit on the title editing question - hilariously ironic and catty. — Daniel F 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
TIP: you might get a better, more productive discussion if your question wasn't dripping with condescension. — President James K. Polk just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
As far as intent goes, everything the user types in their answer shows intent. Providing a high quality answer is only part of the intent. When you replace an entire answer you are clearly changing the meaning of what they wrote. — Stephen Ostermiller ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@PresidentJamesK.Polk don't fool yourself (and me of course). I'd never get any other reply here :) — Your Common Sense 17 secs ago
 
1:15 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@E_net4 Agreed, which flag is used does not change much from that user perspective. I am not in position to comment on knowing when it is high time to handle users and whether noise level from frequent UU flags is getting in a way as I don't have that much experience, yet. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:27 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tripleee
I wasn't going to downvote this but your latest comment tipped me over. — tripleee 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
So why are we getting multiple answers per day that go like "I asked Chatbot Deluxe but it didn't give the correct answer". The main problem is that chat bots are designed to chat, to give the reply they think you want to hear, not the factually correct answer. Another problem with this technology is that it cannot even grasp the concepts of correct/wrong, because to the bot, everything is floating scales/fuzzy logic in between some x and y. Hence "hallucinations", they are not incorrect as far as the AI can tell. They are just more or less likely things that you would like to hear. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@tripleee you're welcome. Out of curiosity, what particular productive response you can think of, given it is not that one edit being my concern here? — Your Common Sense 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CBroe
Direct way to change password: Click on the reputation badges in the top navigation, to go to your user profile. Chose the "Settings" tab, then you'll find "Your Logins" below "Access" in the sub-navigation on the left. — CBroe 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
For example I just now tried to make ChatGPT explain the C code int i=i++ + ++i; (bogus code but also the #1 C FAQ on SO). When I hinted that I wished to know how this expression was evaluated in terms of sequence points, it managed to give an acceptable answer. But when I changed the question from "sequence points" to "sequencing" (C11 concept), it went completely bananas and gave a blatantly incorrect answer. Changing one single word in my prompt made it go from mostly correct to apes*** lying crazy. It's plain dangerous to trust it to be correct. — Lundin 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@rene Maybe now they can stop with the AI stuff and work on Q&A now that we have more new users again... — TylerH 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
(And not a word about i not being initialized to any given value either. Any human would have called that out.) — Lundin 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
as I said before. Yes, it is better for us to get help from them rather than replace them. But it is not correct to completely disagree with them. Just as humans can sometimes give wrong answers or have a wrong impression, machines, and artificial intelligence can also make mistakes. Don't humans make mistakes and all their analyses and answers are correct? No, it's not like that. Examples and examples can be given because the answers produced by AI were better than humans or it was able to create a better method by changing the code of a human. Anyway, everything is relative! — Paul Vek 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Cerbrus I think it may be splitting hairs just a bit... a +12/-0 question is not super impressive to folks who've been around a long time and seen questions with scores in the hundreds or thousands, but maybe it should be. A question with 12 upvotes and no downvotes is, objectively, pretty darn well-received, on the whole. That puts it in the top 2.8% of all non-deleted questions, score-wise. — TylerH 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
I agree, this is a bug for all intents and purposes. It likely would work the other way around; if selenium were the parent/target of the synonym, you would be able to close selenium-webdriver questions. This ought to be mod-tagged status-reviewTylerH 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clive
@Ache Those are not conclusions one would draw from this interaction. Your comment makes it pretty obvious you came here with an agenda, a pre-wrapped point you wanted to make, under the guise of an innocent query. Guess we have different definitions of what “toxic” is… — Clive 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
"So even if we don't use it as a complete tool, we can get help from it" No one's preventing you from using the tool. We just don't want posts written by the tool on Stack Overflow. — TylerH 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
"Today, users move more towards social networks" What does that have to do with anything? Stack Overflow is a Q&A site, not a social network. "or it becomes a place where many people either cannot ask questions, or if they do, few people stay here" There's no requirement that only social media sites allow people to ask questions. In fact, that's really not something social media sites are designed for or excel at. Which is... again, sort of the point of why Stack Overflow is a Q&A site, not a social media site. — TylerH 34 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Azor Ahai -him-
@TheMaster You leave a comment with each and every one of your votes? I find that hard to believe. — Azor Ahai -him- 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Truder
Sorry if im being rude, but it really doesn't look unfriendly/unkind.. idk lol — Truder 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Related (and also duplicate of): meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/346663/… . — Gimby 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Jojje Yes, that's by design. Questions should be as easy to understand as possible. — Karl Knechtel 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Truder Would you be fine with saying it to your boss? — E_net4 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Wait, does this imply that synonymizing python-3.x to python wouldn't enable me to dupehammer those questions with my python gold tag badge? :( — Karl Knechtel 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Truder
@E_net4 yep. if he was being a "really weird person", sure , i would say the truth and call him that. — Truder 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
@KarlKnechtel Yeah, knowing the history behind Python 2 and 3, I've always treated 3.x.y releases as if it was a x.y release of "Python 3" and the analogy seems apt enough. — Justine Krejcha 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
We get this duplicate quite a bit. One starts to wonder if the the owners don't want people to be able to find the option easily. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"it should have been. It wasn't. Now it's too late to discuss that." It's never too late to close, downvote and delete old questions (or get a historical lock for them), as long as such actions are in accordance with policy. They just get a bit harder. — Karl Knechtel 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"It is very strange that people of here do not make a difference between freshly asked questions and old high traffic posts." Not really. Freshly asked questions are only of value to the site to the extent that they have the potential to become old high traffic posts (with time). "fix the title and assume the post body reflects the question better" is good policy regardless. — Karl Knechtel 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@KarlKnechtel you just need to work harder so your python-3.x badge becomes gold too. And then Python 4 comes around and the circus starts all over again. — Gimby 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
@KarlKnechtel It is not about something possible. But about something that would make sense. Closing it now wouldn't change anything. It would be impossible to downvote it to the point where it will allow a delete vote. Like many others here, you are mechanically reciting some sermons that are inapplicable or irrelevant. Not sure if you're doing it on purpose. — Your Common Sense 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
I wonder what Zoe did data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1837609 except approving that synonym. Somehow the OP also "lost" 263 (394 - 131) answers because I assumed that when [selenium] - > [selenium-webdriver] those 394 answers would go into the selenium-webdriver tag. Did a burninate take place that we're not aware of? — rene 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ouflak
This question is also being referenced on Meta. @gparyani, I still say this is very fishy. — ouflak 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Well. If you type "stack overflow log out" into Google, guess what the first hit was for me. Don't get me wrong, the UI design sucks. But there are limits. — Gimby 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@TheMaster reluctance to remove such content historically had a huge amount to do with the common negative off-site perception of Stack Overflow. A professional environment demands avoidance of anything that could be construed as an attack on a personal level, whether actually directed personally or aimed at a class of people or a vague referent like "whoever downvoted my question". — Karl Knechtel 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@AzorAhai-him- When did I say I do that? I said it is rational to think "Adding a comment, when downvoting helps to improve the quality of the post".For the OP of that question to react the way they reacted, they must have valued the quality of the question they posted, they must have took the time and effort(T&E) to post.If it was just a garbage post, that OP didn't take T&E to make up, they wouldn't have cared at all. Also reading between the lines of mod Dalija, I believe they felt the vote was unjustified and therefore was able to empathize with the OP so much that they declined the flag. — TheMaster 12 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@KarlKnechtel OP needed direction to improve quality of the post. There seems to be at least one negative reaction to the post. But apparently the current system is not designed to show the reasoning for that reaction, which OP thinks would greatly help him to increase the quality of that post. I believe comments are temporary and can be used as a temporary bridge to address that deficiency. But it could've been done in a friendly manner. — TheMaster 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ouflak
This question is also being referenced on Meta - 45000 new signups in the last two weeks! @gparyani, I still say this is very fishy. — ouflak 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Azor Ahai -him-
@TheMaster "no one believes just voting without commenting is rational," This implies that voting without commenting is irrational, and I assume you don't do things you believe are irrational. — Azor Ahai -him- 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lino
A workaround would be to edit the question you want to close, then the synonymized tag will be replaced with the target tag. Thus you'd now be able to dupe hammer the question. Nasty, but it works... — Lino 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
@rene Nope. This is a quirk if the synonym system. I synonymised, but didn't merge. Internally and possibly for score calculations, this means [selenium] is in a state of existing and not existing at once. The badge didn't transfer because the answers are still [selenium], not [selenium-webdriver]. Yet, it's still considered the same tag for search purposes. It's a weird system and it doesn't make sense — Zoe is on strike ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
@rene Nope. This is a quirk if the synonym system. I synonymised, but didn't merge. Internally and possibly for score calculations, this means [selenium] is in a state of existing and not existing at once. The badge didn't transfer because the answers are still [selenium], not [selenium-webdriver]. Yet, it's still considered the same tag for search purposes. It's a weird system and it doesn't make sense — Zoe is on strike ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
"Shog, Robert and I wrote a document about this in 2019" hey, I also did write about it. — Braiam 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
That's also why the badge didn't transfer. The bug isn't that the badge doesn't apply when synonymised, it's that score calculations don't switch to the new tag to grant the gold badge. — Zoe is on strike ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Truder 1) In this case "really a weird person" was triggered by simply voting on a question, so that "if" might not even apply. 2) Since it was followed by petty denigration, "really weird person" wasn't the only insulting part of the comment. 3) You're fired. — E_net4 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Truder
@E_net4 ok, i guess I understand now. — Truder 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by General Grievance
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
They answer dozens, hundreds, or thousands of questions, rather than 7. — CPlus 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Truder
@CPlus dam u got 4k rep — Truder 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
"But, compared to these users, I have so little reputation" - you also have more rep than approximately 94.1% of all users. Rep is not a great metric anymore for what it's used for though, but that's a whole other tangent — Zoe is on strike ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Salman A
@e_net out of curiosity did you downvote the post? Any reason why you would be so upset about a declined flag when the comment was deleted (which is what the end result should be)? — Salman A 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Your answers are mostly zero score or below. This is the true problem, reputation score or a lack thereof is but a consequence. You may be picking the wrong questions to answer. — Gimby 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@Truder I have answered about 80 questions, and also asked about 80 questions. Your rep is roughly proportional to how many people find your posts useful, and thus, roughly proportional to how many useful posts you create. — CPlus 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Catija
@Braiam Cool - so we even have community support ;) Using your search parameters (updated for today), there's 1.2 million - oof. :/ That's 5% — Catija just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@Gimby I second that, because both the -1 accepted answers are to closed questions. So look avoid answering questions that meet the close criteria, and your answers are more likely to be upvoted instead of downvoted, provided they answer the question sufficiently. — CPlus 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
Staging Ground is still technically on hold. It won't be reactivated until later this year. — TylerH 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Truder
@CPlus ok good advice thanks — Truder 36 secs ago
 
4:13 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
And when you post an Answer, don't go "begging" for the Asker to accept your Answer like in this Comment... (I've flagged it as NLN, it won't last long.) — chivracq 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
What happened to your +1 accepted answer? You had 7 answers, now you have 6. — CPlus 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@SalmanA There's no need to make this about me in particular. I only found the comment and flagged it. Aside from the comment being deleted, there is some level of importance in flags being well handled for the reasons I already described below. The flag being declined was more negatively surprising than upsetting to me, so I figured I would seek clarification here. — E_net4 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CPlus It got deleted when its parent question was deleted. — TylerH just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@TylerH What was the score and closure status of the parent question? — CPlus 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@rene I'll bet the burst of account creation on Stack Apps in May 2023 are the loan sharks. — CPlus 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CPlus -2, and closed for being resource request by a moderator, not that it matters. — TylerH 36 secs ago
 
4:53 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
@rene For the record, that appears to be a consequence of the previously-linked search bugZoe is on strike ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Stevoisiak
@wizzwizz4 I say start on a site where it's most likely to work. If it's successful, you can start expanding to other sites. — Stevoisiak 20 secs ago
 
5:19 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M. Justin
@MarkAmery I've been thinking about the "seriously, what's wrong with you?" thing. I think the difference there is that phrase has the idiomatic meaning of "Your behavior is out of line", and the "what's wrong with you" is treated primarily as being critical of the behavior. On the other hand "you really are a weird person" does not have a similar idiomatic usage and is immediately viewed as an attack on the personally of the person. — M. Justin 37 secs ago
 
5:39 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@M.Justin That's a valid take on my comment (though uglier readings are possible!). Gimby's, earlier in this thread, perhaps illustrates my point better. It is an unusually unambiguous personal attack, in that it goes out of its way to spell out explicitly that it is condemning the target's character and not merely a particular moment of misbehaviour. Yet 15 people (so far) have upvoted it and mods have not deleted it. How should we interpret this? It seems to me we collectively permit even such personal attacks as long as we think they're warranted. And maybe that's reasonable and fine? — Mark Amery 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
I couldn't agree more. I don't see how the version history in the tag wiki is remotely relevant to posting or answering questions in a tag. Keep the FAQ section and anything else related to SO, dump the rest since it's just derivative or easily Googleable. — Drew Reese 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ddavison
Nothing good in life comes easy. You are 43 days into StackOverflow - give it some time. If you have a passion for helping people and answering questions, your reputation is sure to jump. — ddavison 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@M.Justin [cont.] But if my interpretation above is right - that we are simply more permissive of unkind personal comments when we reckon the target deserved them - it's a reason to be a bit sympathetic to the commenter discussed in this question (who called someone else a "weird person"). Perhaps we are kidding ourselves if we think their core sin was being rude, and in reality it was being ignorant of the norms of our community and of when and against whom we accept rudeness. And for that, we will endorse a comment calling their personality "unkind", "entitled", and "ignorant". Hmm... — Mark Amery 44 secs ago
 
6:01 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
"I've answered lots of questions" --- lots as in 1,2,3,lots,... ? All I see is 5 at this moment, and several of those are on questions that have been closed and/or downvoted -- that's not a good starting point. — Dan Mašek 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@Gimby Sure, that's hyperbole. I'm just providing a concrete counterexample to your "it only affects some meta posts". — Dan Mašek 32 secs ago
 
7:10 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by fyrepenguin
Example: Jon Skeet has … >35,000 answers. He may have hundreds that are 0-scored, but tens of thousands that are positively scored, and none (existing) negative scored answers. To get rep that high is a matter of dedication and quality — fyrepenguin 1 min ago
 
 
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8:32 PM
"one can imaging tagging a question as version X (or X.Y) because it's about working around the lack of a feature introduced in X+1 (or X.(Y+1))": you would still hypothetically and likely need an X+1 expert more than an X expert in order to backport the feature or come up with workarounds. And one rule of thumb for tags is "what kind of expertise does this question need?". — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by sytech
Even if there is eventually a Python 4, there's no reason to believe that a new major version of Python would merit its own tag or such a tag would be useful. Because Python 2 and 3 are so different, it perhaps made sense then. Just because something happens to be major.minor.patch versioned doesn't mean we need a tag for every major version. I believe the analogy with [html5] and [html] makes sense here and, as I previously suggested in 2018, making [python-3.x] synonymous with python makes sense to me — sytech just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Technophile
Of the three sentences, the first and last were personal insults. U/U. The second sentence was useful and appropriate, by requesting feedback. — Technophile 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lamper46
One good way to start is to just edit questions about things you are knowledgeable about. Try not to edit questions you don't know much about (unless there are tons of spelling/grammatical errors) because you might accidentally change the original meaning. Just remember, everyone reacts differently to things you post, so double-check your questions and answers before you post them. — Lamper46 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M. Justin
@MarkAmery — Maybe, but even without the rest of the context, I would interpret "seriously, what's wrong with you?" as meaning the person is being called out for doing something utterly unacceptable, whereas "you really are a weird person" is just mean and shaming someone just for being different. The former is harsh but can be completely justified as refusing to tolerate unacceptable behavior. The latter just comes across as mean and uninclusive. — M. Justin 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Technophile
There is discussion of the topic (computing), and then there is discussion of people's personal attributes (intelligence, knowledge, behavior and habits, appearance, etc.). The comment includes a personal insult and demands that they explain their behavior. Your U/U flag seems appropriate to me. — Technophile 32 secs ago
 
9:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
You get a warning (or at least you're supposed to. There are bugs even in the Stack Overflow code) before you ask a new question when your account had drifted into the danger zone. Heed the warning. and be very careful with that question. Cross all the 't's. Dot all the 'i's. Search the site so you can be reasonably sure the question hasn't been asked before and check your language references/library documentation to make sure your case isn't covered. Make sure you addressed all of the points here. — user4581301 49 secs ago
 
9:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by pipe
@KarlKnechtel So presumably if there is ever a python 4, it will be treated like perl 6 - everyone was just confused and eventually it was given a completely new name. — pipe 33 secs ago
 
10:09 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Ah-ah...!, I was right, Qt (Question) now closed as a Duplicate of the target I mentioned previously...! — chivracq 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Laf
Downvoted because I disagree with the way the flag was handled, but I really appreciate that you took the time to explain your thought process, so here's a virtual upvote to you Dalija. To me this is an example of very good moderation: Made a decision after have thought about it, did not hesitate to explain the reasoning, and being opened to discussion to improve own moderation. Thank you :) — Laf 54 secs ago
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
...until it was re-closed as a duplicate, anyway. — John Montgomery 6 secs ago
 
 
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Spectric
Never even realized there were Web APIs for that. — Spectric 30 secs ago
 

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