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12:28 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Where your MRE? — Security Hound 5 secs ago
 
12:43 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by LighteningKid
Had to look that up - I assume you mean "minimal reproducible example" in my original question about changing the file type? I don't know how to create one - my issue was making a CoreData project with a file type/extension that wasn't conforming to com.apple.package, running the program so macOS registered the file type, then making a new SwiftData project that uses the same type but tries to add the package conformance. I don't know any simpler way to create the issue, and found nothing on SO or search engines of similar issues. I only know the description and error I wrote about originally. — LighteningKid 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
What exactly do you mean by "make a change to a file type", or "change the properties of a file type"? I don't think file types have properties. To me, an example of "a file type" is, for example, "image in JPG format", and that isn't a configurable thing. The JPG format specification says what it says, and such files contain what they contain. If you mean "I want to change what program the computer uses to open JPG files by default", that isn't a "property of the file type", it's an association between the file type and a program. — Karl Knechtel 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
In short, it's really impossible to understand what the problem is from the description in that question. I would have voted to close as "needs details for clarity". For example, one of many questions I could ask: does "setting up the new app to accept documents" mean "tell the computer that documents with a specific filename extension should be opened using my app"? Or else exactly what? If you think that something other than a filename extension should be used to decide the "file type", then exactly what should be used? — Karl Knechtel 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Aside from that, instead of telling us about what you "played around with many years ago", please show a minimal reproducible example of what you're working with now and talk us through: how do you try to use the code? What do you think should happen when you do that? What happens instead, and how is that different? — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
 
1:03 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by LighteningKid
As in the original post, it was an extension for a file type using the "Exported Type Identifier" in Xcode. It's like creating a new extension for "document.zzz" Neither macOS nor its programs use ".zzz" - I created it for my app specifically, which is a feature of Xcode. I don't know how to give another minimal example except how I randomly stumbled on this the first time - made a program in the old CoreData, didn't know I had to make the new file type conform to com.apple.package, now the new SwiftData needs it, can't seem to add it even when I modify that section in Xcode ETI settings. — LighteningKid 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by LighteningKid
As for what I've done, I gave two examples and for "what happens" I said the app still crashes with the same error. I'm not sure what else I would say? I guess I could include pictures of the ETI setting in Xcode (very little of it is typed code), but I'd really question if the picture would matter - I think people who could answer my questions about the ETI probably don't need to see the picture. — LighteningKid 45 secs ago
 
 
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2:26 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
The goal of a summary is to proposed a topic? My brain short-circuited. — CPlus 59 secs ago
 
2:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by vandench
It's the number of questions tagged. If you check for questions tagged with blogger and html, the number matches. Why the number is higher for some of the tag combinations is beyond me, probably including some deleted posts (though SEDE indicates there are 6213 total posts for blogger, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯). — vandench 14 secs ago
 
3:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
So you're trying to use this feature? You'll probably have better luck on Ask Different. — Karl Knechtel 56 secs ago
 
3:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
It has already been flagged internally, but these tags are a lot of work to handle. See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/429255/… and a few other tags that have been posted about on meta with the same pattern. — Zoe is on strike ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@Scratte Today I was reviewing Triage, and I saw a question whose body started with 'Closed. This question needs details or clarity. [...] Closed 22 hours ago.' So I chose Flag > In need of moderator intervention and then explained that I suspect the question was a repost of a closed question. — CPlus 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Phil
Thanks @Zoeisonstrike, certainly looks like the same pattern though I'd definitely suspect the accounts to be voting for each other. I mean, who gave this one an upvote? — Phil 9 secs ago
 
4:16 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@Makyen Details added. — Steve Summit just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@TylerH Looks like it may be browser-specific. — Steve Summit 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
 
5:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
"In the process I would suggest renaming the page to 'How to ask a good question' instead of 'How should I ask a good question'." Putting aside the fact that the title is actually "How do I ask a good question__?__ (emphasis added), why? What makes your suggested title better? Note that the other articles in that list are all phrased as questions as well. — Ryan M ♦ 33 secs ago
 
5:51 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jesse Wyatt
There's no reason there couldn't eventually be a Python 4.x at some point in the future, this seems like it risks confusion (however unlikely), for little to no real benefit. IMO, if anything the unqualified python tag is the problematic one. — Jesse Wyatt 54 secs ago
 
6:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@KarlKnechtel I know and that's the argument I'm making. Make sure that your posts don't look very similar to spam if you don't want those consequences to happen. — Lundin 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
I'm in no way expert in macos/swift, etc, but this question indeed sounds like a development problem. If app can register file extension to be associated with it, question about how to override previously associated type seems reasonable. — markalex 6 secs ago
 
6:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@CPlus close vote as unclear -> downvote + del-vote (if possible). I'm with Cody here that this doesn't need moderator attention, it's entirely within the bounds of users handling the content. — VLAZ 13 secs ago
 
7:29 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
It cannot be said often enough. This conflict exists in several places. For example, the close vote description for "not about programming" says something different from the help center description of it too. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Erik A
A factor in this discussion is the outdated answers project, which wanted to tackle this problem with a version tag on version-specific answers, and specifically named Python 2 vs Python 3 as an example. Unfortunately, it appears this project is abandoned. — Erik A 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"I completely understand the ban on providing AI generated answers as they can be inaccurate, incomplete etc." - then also ban human answers :) no its because there is zero thought or experience behind them, so the chance of the answer being inaccurate, incomplete, etc. is unnecessarily high. This is, at the time of writing, a quality-driven site and not a quantity-driven one. Lord knows how long that is going to last though. — Gimby 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Here is my reasoning: this seems like double maintenance to me. The tag description already has a link to the Wikipedia page on Java. It maintains a version history as well. If you really must know (and the situations where you really must know seem very rare to me), it's there. — Gimby 17 secs ago
 
8:00 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M. Justin
@Gimby Fair point; I'm not even addressing the maintenance burden in my answer, just the end result on the Q&A site. — M. Justin 16 secs ago
 
8:49 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
This has come up a while ago on Should we add the [python] tag to all [python-*] questions?. Back then there was already huge support for merging various Python tags, though slightly different than proposed here. — MisterMiyagi 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
I think the correct answer is that generative AI is not allowed on SO in any form (as stated in the linked duplicate), even if it's used to assist people in writing questions/answers. "Just ask it" is not a solution as made obvious in the above comments either. — Cuzy 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
Tools like Grammarly also start to integrate generative AI into their funcionality, which - as stated in the question's comments - are also found out by SO's AI detection tools. Finding a non-AI tool is probably already a challenge in itself... — Cuzy 9 secs ago
 
9:09 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
@Gimby I don't think there's "zero thought or experience" behind them, considering generative AI's have been here for a while already and have supposedly been developed ever since. — Cuzy 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by walen
Upvoted for the "I am inclined to [...] remove the section completely" part. — walen 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
I Feel the UI should be designed in a fashion that supports users and mods and doesn't lead to unnecessary flags — Mr. Irrelevant 29 secs ago
 
9:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
I don't think there really is a need to insult python developers or the language for the specific discussion here. The topic here is whether there is a way to get rid of the python-3.x tag or what should be the way forward. Please try to focus on that. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 58 secs ago
 
10:04 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clockwork
Trust me, I'm dolphindb — Clockwork 42 secs ago
 
10:35 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Mr.Irrelevant you have to convince SE about this, not us - the users. This topic, and others, have been brought up again and again. We, the regular users as well as mods, have proven to be insufficient in making SE prioritise aiding the UX particularly when it comes to curation and proper site usage. Improvements to existing UX are hardly ever a priority. Even if SE break something that used to work. — VLAZ 26 secs ago
 
10:45 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
At a glance, this is quite broad. You're basically asking 2 questions already. It definitely needs some sample code. — Cerbrus 42 secs ago
 
11:02 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marijn
Maybe the cache got stuck for this particular tag at some time (for other tags the questions tagged and the duplicate related tag count are approximately equal). When I went to the tag page as @vandench mentioned then first the number of 2925 was shown with a page range of 0-59 with 50 per page (which is 2950), however when I clicked on page 59 then all of a sudden the page range expanded to 0-65 and the question count was listed as 3243 (65*50 is 3250). Still not 3684 but closer. — Marijn 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
The answer is in the comments I would say. Your reply to "is this a programming question or not" is "I'm not sure". Stack Overflow questions need to have a basis of certainty behind them. I wouldn't have voted to close myself and instead would have downvoted, currently as written I don't find the question particularly useful. Because of the large level of uncertainty in it. — Gimby 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
I would advise to make the title of this meta post more specific, like what technology it is about. It is not a typical programming problem you are talking about here. It might help catch the attention of people who frequently review similar questions. — Gimby 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
Just retag to python, bam 2 reputation for free — Mr. Irrelevant 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Mr.Irrelevant In case you are suggesting reviewed edits, these are hardly "for free". It takes three people (one editor plus two reviewers) to make them. — MisterMiyagi 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I don't understand what you are asking. As demonstrated by this very question, you can post questions on meta. — MisterMiyagi 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Erik A
This question is indeed too broad. Is your question just "How do I implement nested crossvalidation"? Because that's more something you should read a manual on — Erik A 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Martijn's 2018 prediction that python-3.x usage would just fade unfortunately did not happen" - just like old close voting labels. If you expect people to adopt new labels by dropping the old ones, you don't know people. Persistent buggers. — Gimby 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdulla Nilam
@Lino good one. Let me check that too — Abdulla Nilam 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lino
Does this only happen on Stack Overflow, or does it happen also in other communities? Might be a network wide bug — Lino 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I can reproduce that on Windows / latest Chrome. Weird. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lino
@AbdullaNilam maybe move/reask this question to meta.stackexchange.com/questions :) — Lino 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Practically what grinds my gears is that the help center is so fragmented. We have an article for what you can ask, an article for what you can't ask and an article for what is a good idea to ask. And they expect people to actually read any of it, let alone comprehend it? — Gimby 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ingotangjingle
Weird how 7 year old question got a downvote this fast... hmmm. — ingotangjingle 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I would strongly suggest you don't repeat the same mistakes you've made in the past, ingo. Your continuous misrepresentation of how SO works and your unwillingness to accept the many explanations you've been given is a problem on your end. — Cerbrus 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by DeltaIV
@Gimby thanks for your comment. I edited the title. Is it better now? — DeltaIV 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Same issue. Tried few other sites and they all show the same error. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by DeltaIV
@Cerbrus I will definitely add the sample code in the actual question. Do you think I should add it also in this Meta question? — DeltaIV 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ingotangjingle
@Cerbrus my answer is not a mistake, what a weird response... — ingotangjingle 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Answering this question brings the question to the top of the "active" page. Then we see your username, right after you've had another of your questions deleted... Those are red flags that make regulars check what's going on. — Cerbrus 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ingotangjingle
@AbdulAzizBarkat makes sense, I guess I'll add more answers like this then — ingotangjingle just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
"Weird how 7 year old question got a downvote this fast" new answers, edits, etc. bump a post (Bring it up in the "Active" questions tab). Its not weird for an old question to attract views when a new answer is posted. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
For context, that might help answering this question, yeah. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by DeltaIV
@Cerbrus sure. Then I'll do it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to do it today. It's proving to be a bit complicated. Tomorrow I have a long haul flight, but rest assured that if I don't manage to write the code today, you'll have it by Thursday. Apologies for the delay — DeltaIV 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@ingotangjingle don't. Unless you intend to receive a suspension again. You can be a positive contributing member to SE, but now you're just digging your own hole deeper and deeper. — Cerbrus 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
It does a strange POST during loading. Not sure what triggers that. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I am not sure if this would be on-topic for Stack Overflow. If your problem in not about how to write code for what you want. It looks like it would be more suitable for datascience.stackexchange.com or ai.stackexchange.com or genai.stackexchange.com I am listing all of them as I am not familiar on which one would your question be a best fit. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ingotangjingle
@Cerbrus My username isn't going to change. You said yourself - that my user name was a "red flag". If you have issue with that, it's completely fine, but I have no control over your behavior. — ingotangjingle 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
This answer doesn't seem to address the question at all, if the answers you plan to post are like this please refrain yourself and don't do it. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ingotangjingle
@AbdulAzizBarkat this completely answers the question, you just disagree with the answer. Which is completely fine and acceptable. — ingotangjingle 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Amit Joshi
Looking at the title, I first thought this is burnination or cleanup request. — Amit Joshi 29 secs ago
 
12:13 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
This is what I love about Stack Overflow. This weird error which in 99.99% of the cases should be a local network problem... is not. — Gimby 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by DeltaIV
@DalijaPrasnikar I'm interested in actual code, non just a general approach. I (think I) know the general approach, but I'm not sure how to put it in code. Your comment, like the ones by Cerbrus, convince me that I need to add the code in this Meta question, but unfortunately that may require a day or two. I'll do it anyway — DeltaIV 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Or just remove the audit system. Whatever is easiest. — Gimby just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by traktor
@RyanM It's a nuanced thing. I grew up with, and survived, somewhat narcissistic parenting. "How do I write a good question?" always strikes me as containing an implicit message that I have presented a bad question, that I should have known better and it's somehow my fault. I believe the current term for it is "gaslighting". Given the number of people who never quote the actual title when providing a link to it, I rather doubt I am alone in my thinking. — traktor 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
In that case it is likely that it would be on topic here. Adding code would help. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 57 secs ago
 
12:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
getting reviewers is one hurdle. Them not burning out is another. — Gimby 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by General Grievance
Oh, look at that, the excerpt is plagiarized, because of course it is... — General Grievance 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by traktor
@Gimby I agree. I posted this suggestion as an attempt to make it easier for new users know that guidelines are available. To be honest a well written index or introduction with links may even be better, providing a quick list of guidelines for "how to ask", "How do I format my posts using Markdown or HTML", "How to create a Minimal, Reproducible Example" etc. And perhaps mention that after copying and pasting error message text the OP should indicate which line of code produced it! — traktor 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by traktor
@RyanM For me "How do I write a good question?" contains an implicit criticism that I have presented a bad question, that I should have known better and it's somehow my fault. Blame it on some narcissistic parenting if you will, but given the number of people who never quote the actual title when providing a link to it I doubt I am alone in my thinking that we can do better than the "How do I " phraseology would be of benefit. — traktor 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
"easier to speak with Stack Overflow to move their photo repository" -- ROFL. What planet does that person live on? — Dan Mašek 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
Imgur has banned NSFW content since mid 2023. See imgurinc.com/rules. — BDL 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Other than the answer below also note that Stack Overflow uses a dedicated subdomain of imgur being i.stack.imgur.com. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 34 secs ago
 
1:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"If the images are important to understanding the question, then question then becomes totally useless." hence why they should almost never be important about understanding the question. Unless it's actually about something that cannot be represented otherwise. — VLAZ 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"It's not totally unreasonable." yes, not totally. Just mostly. — VLAZ 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by FreelanceConsultant
Thanks for this, I'll go back to them with this and suggest permitting content from the subdomain — FreelanceConsultant 44 secs ago
 
1:50 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
@DanMašek as much as you've put into words what we're all thinking, I would Imagine the OP might want to show this question to their IT department - and would not be served well by insulting them >.< — Daniel F 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by bad_coder
I watched a couple of the latest Guido interviews and I'm not so sure we'll keep with Python3 indefinitely - the BDFL has been wrong before. But Guido does seem to keep well informed so there's no Python4 on the short-term horizon. — bad_coder 35 secs ago
 
2:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
- What a fish?! -It's mammal Sorry, couldn't stop myself — Islam Hassan just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
Looks unfriendly/unkind to me. — TylerH 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Gimby I can't upvote comments or leave comments on review items at all so definitely more to do than removing audits :-) — TylerH 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
An unfriendly/unkind flag marked as helpful leaves a record on the user, but it does not really affect them directly. Rather, it helps moderators understand whether that user has a tendency of making such remarks, at which point they ought to intervene, which is I believe flagging these incidents is important. I appreciate your transparency nonetheless. — E_net4 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I will keep your insights in mind for the future. I am sometimes wondering whether I personally have too high tolerance, which then may get in a way of handling flags appropriately. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
I got my security team to whitelist i.stack.imgur.com specifically, while leaving imgur.com itself and other subdomains blocked; they happily agreed to that exception as it is narrowly curtailed to just the SE domain use. That being said, Erik's answer below indicates the long-term, permanent solution suggested by your rather oblivious company spokesperson is, by happy coincidence, already being undertaken: moving images to a new domain altogether. — TylerH 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
If they decline to do so and you feel you really need to access certain questions and their images to do your job, keep a record of the affected questions, and then when you have several, provide that list, along with your manager's backing, and say "hey IT, I need to see the images here to do my job, and my manager agrees". It's extra effective if you can say how much longer it will take you (if it's possible at all) to do your job without access to those images. — TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
This was not unkindness by accident, but by personality. The entitlement in that demonstrated ignorance of the site speaks volumes. You made the right choice. — Gimby 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
@DalijaPrasnikar I would keep the high tolerance because this is not kinder garten but when it comes to comment flags I would err on the side of the flagger. Specially when the comment needs to go anyway for other moderation reasons. — rene 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zdub
Someone with issues of imposter syndrome, self doubt, anxiety and other learning issues and difficulties in communication/social expression (non neurotypical) are working to find the tools that are helping them be more confident. In terms of rewording, correct, explaining without over explaining or trying to correct the response to fit a word count, something - not trusting their own explanations, examples or thought processes. Also running a question through a machine is different than just writing something up and leaving it out in the public domain for all to ridicule and discuss. 1/2 — Zdub 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
If push comes to shove, someone high up enough will have to remind your IT security team that their job is to "make sure company employees can do their job safely and securely", and that the important part of that phrase is "can do their job", not "safely and securely". Otherwise infosec professionals would just disconnect every computer from the internet. — TylerH 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zdub
This thread is even indicative of the problem. Answers were closed within an hour, the indicated "duplicate questions" use terms like "claiming to be" which write off the bat come off as judgemental and cruel, and insinuating bad intentions. And none of this provided a feasible alternative for someone just starting out in posting in a forum such as this. 2/2 — Zdub 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
It is not fixed, or it has regressed. It still shows today, only worse - the number next to it is no longer matching the # questions tagged : stackoverflow.com/tags/blogger/topuserswim 40 secs ago
 
3:08 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"The firm I recently started working for have an IT policy block on imgur, which of course breaks the whole of stack exchange." - can't say that I agree there. I suffer from the same block, but it only makes certain meta posts annoying to read. Maybe the tags you frequent have a higher tendency to contain images. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
Dalija, I strongly disagree with your reasoning. Having high tolerance personally is a great thing, but we should not impose that on the community. If someone is being rude, regardless of their state of mind and what they've experienced, they were being rude. There is no requirement for feedback when downvoting and I am sure you and I both downvoted without leaving a comment many many times. Putting all that aside, even with your reasoning, I'd have disputed the flag not decline. Cont'd... — M-- 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
The sentence "you really are a weird person" feels like it should tip this into the rude category... but on the other hand, I have previously written a (not only undeleted, but very highly upvoted!) comment addressed to someone I was frustrated with that started with the sentence "seriously, what's wrong with you?", which is equally explicitly insulting. The distinction, I guess, is that everyone reading my comment felt the exasperation was warranted... but should mods be adjudicating rudeness flags differently based on whether hostility is warranted or not? I dunno; maybe they should! — Mark Amery 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
@M-- It's not possible to dispute comment flags — Zoe is on strike ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
... If it is not possible to dispute (I don't know if we can dispute comment flags), I will mark it as helpful. After all, the user who flagged the comment is right and we don't need to put ourselves in their shoes to justify their action. — M-- 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
I'd also apply the same logic to spam posts. Recently you handled one of my spam flags about an answer which was a link to the user's GitHub repository. That answer was purely there to promote (even with disclosing) as the question was already answered, and all that repo did was to modify the accepted answer ever so slightly so it was zoomed on a specific country (a plotting/mapping question). As you have deleted the answer, I did not follow up on it, but that was a good example for dispute (not decline). — M-- 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@Zoeisonstrike you beat me to my "cont'd" comment :) — M-- 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
'Moment of frustration' or does not make a comment any more or less abusive. Either the comment is abusive, based on the content in isolation, or not. — CPlus 12 secs ago
 
3:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@M-- And spam flags, unlike comment flags, can be disputed. — CPlus 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dharman
I think you handled it wrong. :) The UU flag is precisely for comments like this. Where the user is frustrated and is not using friendly language. Once the user starts being verbally abusive and hurls insults directly at people then an abusive flag would be in order and possibly a mod message. — Dharman ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@CPlus yup, hence "... that was a good example for dispute"M-- 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@Dharman If a user is frustrated and not using friendly language, I use U/U. And when they are deliberately being abusive, I use H/B/A. Is this is correct? — CPlus 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dharman
@CPlus Yes, that's what I said. — Dharman ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MarkAmery Warranted or not, that reply would be flag-worthy, as well. — TylerH 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
The last phrase "But anyways, good luck to you as a developer who only knows to find faults and no solutions." is also unkind, slighting the anonymous subject by saying they're no good at finding solutions. — TylerH 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by IMSoP
Did you miss the quote in the question saying that it's unlikely there will ever be a Python 4? Or do you just disagree with it? — IMSoP 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by IMSoP
Also, even if Python 4 comes along, we don't know now which of the current questions will be invalidated by the changes it brings. So tagging those questions as python-3.x in advance would be actively harmful - it would be useless as an indicator of "questions specific to 3.x", marking only "questions asked before the release/announcement date of 4.0". — IMSoP 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
@bad_coder Did you watch the one linked in the question? It is not (only) Guido's opinion, he also mentions that the core development team feel the same way. — wim 19 secs ago
 
4:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ColleenV
Yes, I'm a terrible multitasker and missed the part about Python 4 when skimming the post. Apologies. I should know better than to post while waiting for responses to the other two conversations I'm in the middle of... — ColleenV 49 secs ago
 
4:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by LighteningKid
But where does it get posted, then? Ask Different still seems inappropriate, and their Xcode tag suggests they'd likely close a question like this. I'd be asking a group of non-developers how I can solve this in code. "I'm not sure" refers to my not knowing how to find out if Apple limits my ability to fix this in Xcode Vs the OS. But not knowing is why I have to ask. The problem started with development, so why not ask developers? Even if the solution is via the OS, it's more likely a developer who knows, no? I guess if the review keeps the post closed, I'll try Ask Different... — LighteningKid 51 secs ago
 
4:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I hear you all. I will adjust my handling. Thanks for the feedback. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@M-- Spam flag comes with a heavy penalty. I know it does not have to be applied, but posting a link to own GitHub repository on related question does not warrant a spam flag unless you see that user is really "spamming" that link across multiple answers. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@Gimby For many image processing and computer vision related questions, the attached images form an essential component of a proper [mcve]. I'd imagine it would be problematic for lots of other graphics/UI related stuff too. I see OP uses TeX SO as well, which without images must be a real PITA. — Dan Mašek 33 secs ago
 
5:25 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
Does 1 really need to be done? After all Python 2 is still Python. The Python 3 tag could just be merged into the Python one especially that the Python 2 tag description says "For questions about Python programming that are specific to version 2.x of the language. Use the more generic [python] tag for all Python questions, and only add this tag if your question is version-specific." — Islam Hassan 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joshua
@IslamHassan: Essentially what one is doing is checking for Python 2 specific questions that are tagged with just Python because they were made a long time ago. — Joshua 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@TylerH Perhaps it would, or perhaps not. I suggest a test of principle for you and others. Above is a comment by Gimby which accuses the subject of this Meta thread of "unkindness ... by personality", of "entitlement" and of "ignorance". It's framed explicitly as an attack on their character and not just a criticism of a particular comment - indeed I'd say it's a far harsher attack than calling someone a "weird person". Have you flagged it as rude? Has anyone? If not, aren't we accepting harsh personal insult because we think it's deserved? What does that mean for moderating rudeness? — Mark Amery 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by java-addict301
@IslamHassan and it brings peace! youtube.com/watch?v=20Jcrk6jGfo (as a side note, by today's standards it's hard to believe this was once considered a gaffe) — java-addict301 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
I'm not a Python developer and rarely use it but I understand that Python 3 came out in late 2008 and a quick investigation reveals that there are questions from 2008 tagged as Python 2, questions from 2009 tagged as Python 3 and tons of questions that are only tagged with Python. I don't think the manual work is needed. — Islam Hassan 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Probably the best response to that comment is to point out that it's because of responses like that that few people explain downvotes and are recommended to not explain. — user4581301 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
When I was a younger man, our west coast office had a visit from the east coast folk from head office freaking the <expletive deleted> out over our staff downloading gigs of absolutely positively must have been smut from Playboy. At the time Playboy did a lot of web services work, contributed to tooling, and hosted one of the fastest and most reliable mirrors of common web tools around. Well, Eclipse 5 had just come out, the Java team all updated, and the rest is comedic history. — user4581301 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Regardless, due to their diet, dolphins do tend to be a bit fishy. — user4581301 10 secs ago
 
6:01 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
@user4581301 Well, I just wanted to make the Seinfeld reference and link to it :D — Islam Hassan 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by philipxy
It is very clearly not nice & you were wrong to not treat it so. — philipxy 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MarkAmery I don't think there's any scenario where asking someone "what is wrong with you" is not classified as 'unfriendly/unkind'. At the very least such comments (and likely the entire thread) should be removed. — TylerH 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@IslamHassan The transition from Python 2 to 3 was very long. The Python 2 End of Life was postponed until 1 Jan 2020. There are a lot of Python 2 questions with just the plain [python] tag. Plenty of those "vanilla" questions and answers do apply to both versions, but there are some changes that affect efficiency (using lists vs generators), and a major overhaul in Unicode handling. — PM 2Ring 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
I'm against 1. Let sleeping dogs lie. — wim just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
(cont) Some old Python 2 code can easily be modified to work correctly and efficiently on Py 3, but not always. And some of us made an effort to write code that functioned correctly (if not necessarily at highest efficiency) on both versions. So some of that old Py 2 code is still useful, but some of it's obsolete rubbish. And it can take time and expertise to tell the difference... — PM 2Ring 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
@PM2Ring I am aware of the painful transition due to the lack of backwards compatibility and that Python 2 was supported until 2020. However, as it currently stands it looks like the merging won't make the situation of the Python 2 questions untagged with the Python 2 tag worse. I maybe mistaken of course. You, as a subject matter expert, can assess the situation better. — Islam Hassan 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joshua
@wim: That's fine. Write an answer and let's see who votes on it. — Joshua 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Seinfeld. Wasn't he the Yeth, mathter! Yeth Mathter guy who hung out with Dracula? — user4581301 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@KarlKnechtel That's not really the same scenario. HTML5 did away with HTML versions. Python 3 is still version 3.x and still uses major.minor.patch versioning, and plans to continue doing so in the future. — TylerH 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
At this point it can reasonably be argued that the 3 is a decoration with historical reasons behind it, and Python is effectively using calver rather than semver now. — Karl Knechtel 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
@TylerH I think KarlKnechtel's analogy was fair. As one of the top users, from 500+ answers in [python-3.x] tag, I could count on one hand the number of times that the tag communicated anything useful that a [python] tag would not have. I expect most of these users may say similar — wim 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I mean, one of the better-known Python authors from the previous era (Mark Lutz) seems to think everything after 3.4 was a mistake, and Guido hung up his BDFL hat over the addition of the := operator in 3.8, yet 3.13 is under active development with no issues. Changes like removing the GIL and building new infrastructure for JIT bytecode optimization are not seen as reasons to bump the major version number. Meanwhile there is an established policy now whereby things can be deprecated and scheduled for removal after a certain number of minor versions. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Apologies it was Java 5 a few months earlier and Eclipse 3.somehting that supported all of the new stuff properly. — user4581301 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
This question because this question has been superseded by the fact that Staging Ground is no longer on hold.CPlus 33 secs ago
 
7:25 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
If questions have two tags and one is merged into the other, does the system handle that gracefully? Because there would be a lot of such questions in this case. — Karl Knechtel 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lover of Structure
I upvoted this question without reading its contents, simply based on the title. (But give me credit for reading its contents after upvoting, and not regretting the upvote.) — Lover of Structure 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joshua
@KarlKnechtel: If it doesn't, that's bot cleanup worthy. — Joshua 18 secs ago
 
8:29 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by miken32
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lamper46
Does this answer your question? Meaning of Related Tags numberLamper46 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
Flags (especially for comments) are in drastic need of an overhaul, there's no reason (except that's the way SE wants it) that this all has to be on moderators. — Ðаո 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
Who cares about the actual reason? You deleted the comment, which means flagging served its primary purpose: to alert a moderator; the flag should have marked as "helpful." Otherwise, the comment should have remained. — Ðаո 57 secs ago
 
8:52 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by muaz
the downvoted user has the right to know why downvoted. — muaz 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
@Lamper46 No it doesn't. I'm specifically asking about the number on the "same" tag, which that answer fails to explain. — wim 25 secs ago
 
9:26 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@muaz Users already know why their posts are downvoted, just hover over the downvote button to see. There is nothing rude about downvoting a post. Remember, posts are downvoted, not users. — TylerH 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Ðаո Users care because declined flags can affect their ability to continue flagging. Furthermore, users hopefully don't want to improperly cast flags. A declined flag on a comment that is not deleted would probably have still warranted this question since it runs counter to consensus, but this situation was especially confusing because the flag was declined and yet the comment was deleted anyway. — TylerH 30 secs ago
 
9:54 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@muaz In the 12+ years you've been using SO, you've had plenty of opportunities to see the countless debates on that topic. The consensus is quite clear, do your research. There's really no need to debate that yet again, and certainly not here. — Dan Mašek 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I'm gonna cut off (and delete) the debate about the merits of commenting with downvotes here; that has been debated endlessly and we don't need yet another rehashing of that debate in the comments. Let's focus on the topic of whether comments like this are unfriendly/unkind (which may be the case regardless of whether downvoting without commenting is also unkind). — Ryan M ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by cottontail
Completely unrelated but what happened to the OP’s user profile on the main? Why is it giving a “Page not found”? — cottontail 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Gimby the problem is that probably persons doing predictions, don't understand how the system works. As in, don't understand how the users interact with the system. People will add as many keywords as the system allows them. If you want them to not do it, you do not allow it.Braiam 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
At least from the mod perspective, I don't think we differentiate much between tags that are merged and tags that are merely synonymized (other than that the latter is far easier to undo, but has more bugs), so I'm inclined to say that this sounds like a bug. — Ryan M ♦ 41 secs ago
 
10:26 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dbc
You actually don't need to create a support request, a tag will auto-delete in a day if it's unused and (if I recall correctly) there's no wiki. Just create the new tag and start using it, the old one will be dead sometime tomorrow. — dbc 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I renamed it; give it a try now — Ryan M ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ahcox
@RyanM That worked great, thank you for your help :). — ahcox 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Regarding the retrocomputing.se comment: that's obviously subjective, but the interested reader is invited to consider their standards for "retro" versus Python 2.6.0's release date along with the other relevant factors (like the fact that practically any environment where 2.6 could run should have no difficulty at least upgrading to 2.7, and the way that the 2.7 tag overtook other 2.x tags on Stack Overflow). — Karl Knechtel 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tanj92
I've marked this as status-declined for now because the OverflowAI Search alpha has concluded on the Public Platform, therefore you should not be seeing the pop-up anymore. — tanj92 11 secs ago
 
10:50 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@MarkAmery I once earned myself a 2-day suspension after getting "exasperated" in just that sort of way a few times in a row. I have come around to the belief that we should, in fact, expect ourselves to rein that in. Copy-and-paste template comments help a lot with this IMX. (Sometimes they provoke actually rude responses; can't win 'em all.) — Karl Knechtel 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I understand that "not kindergarten" should mean that we allow bluntness (especially when it's telling people to do things that are in line with policy), but still not anything that insinuates bad motives, lack of cooperativeness etc. — Karl Knechtel 7 secs ago
 
11:45 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
A bug? On Stack Overflow? Is that legal? — user4581301 55 secs ago
 

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