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12:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OutstandingBill
@Nick, I see your point and stand corrected. In my mind, BrE and AmE don't neatly occupy "different" language" or "same language" status. It's evidently difficult to navigate. — OutstandingBill 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GammaGames
Obviously feel free to downvote/remove if it's inappropriate, just thought there were some interesting similarities — GammaGames 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Confession time: One time I took what a teacher wrote down, and rephrased it to seem like I wrote a definition in my own words. Looking between what Quill wrote and what Shree wrote, it looks very likely that Shree did do some rephrasing. Especially with number 10, the rephrasing from "I'm not going to say anything about this" to "I don't want to comment much on this". — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
If you agree with their answer and have nothing to add, just say that: "I agree with [Zoe/Ryan M/Dharman]'s answer and have nothing to add." — gparyani 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
However, the said rephrasing requires significant knowledge of english (such as the rephrasing of "I will express my opinion privately" to "I will voice my opinion internally"), so I can't see it happening. I feel like this is all speculation. — 10 Rep 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@10Rep That "rephrasing" in number 10 is not rephrasing, that's verbatim from Zoe's answer. — Ryan M 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@Spectric What was the point of that pointless edit? A badge? — philipxy 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
I want to point out that clicking the "Rephrase" button in that tool will attempt to generate different text each time. So, clicking it multiple times will get you results that are even closer (if not identical) to the third column. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GammaGames
@41686d6564 Good catch, editing — GammaGames 1 min ago
 
12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You can enable dark mode in your user preferences from your profile — Nick 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@TadeuszKopec Even if we take that at face value: if someone has enough difficulty with English that they cannot formulate brief answers to these kinds of questions, then regardless of their character, they are probably not the most suitable person to moderate an English-language site. Moderators on Stack Overflow will routinely have to read and act on posts, comments and flags written in English, and explain their decisions and actions to other users in English. So it's at most a defense of Shree's character, not a defense of their suitability to be a moderator. — kaya3 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@TravisJ A+ for defying expectations, A++ for not being conventional. A+++ all answers tend to look the same anyway. Sheer genius, Shree. — bad_coder 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spectric
@philipxy Just thought it would make it more clear, that's all. — Spectric 14 secs ago
 
1:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by U12-Forward
Shree isn't a native English speaker, he can express himself, but harder in English, he needed to copy some of other nominations questionnaire answers, so he can express himself. I believe he would be a good moderator. I disagree about your statement of "I would expect Shree to withdraw his nomination from this election". There are also not a lot of versions on how to answer these questionnaires, what do you expect a non native English speaker to do? — U12-Forward 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
Because Stack Exchange already loads jQuery you don't need to @require it. You just need to get a reference to SE's copy of it using: var $ = unsafeWindow.jQuery; See stackoverflow.com/a/4261831Stephen Ostermiller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Xnero
@U12-Forward Write the answers in their own language and translate it using a translation service. — Xnero 23 secs ago
 
1:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I had initially ranked Shree above multiple other candidates, in part based on the questionnaire answers reassuring me that their English communication was sufficient for the job. Upon learning that they those answers seem to be mostly written by other candidates, I felt that I had been deceived. As a moderator interacting with the community and explaining your moderation actions, you won't have other people's answers to copy from. I'd expect anyone to write their own answers, as we require everywhere on the site. If one wants to simply state agreement, do so. But don't copy without citations. — Ryan M 7 secs ago
 
1:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mihai Chelaru
@U12-Forward Not sure where you got this idea from. Shree said no such thing in his answer here. It's insulting to all non-native English speakers to suggest their only recourse to express themselves is to plagiarize other candidates' answers word for word without attribution. I would also like to hear what makes you think he would be a good moderator in light of the fact that you think he cannot express himself well enough in English without copying from others, and that he committed an act of plagiarism, something which is forbidden on SE. — Mihai Chelaru 1 min ago
 
2:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Possible workaround: darkreader.orgRyan M 25 secs ago
 
 
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3:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBallin
Any reason for setting id="react"? Last hooks example runs fine without it. — JBallin 1 min ago
 
3:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
parcelable also exists and appears to have the same meaning. The tag wiki excerpt leaves something to be desired though; the full wiki is clearer that it refers to the Android functionality, and the use of the tag backs that up. — Ryan M 1 min ago
 
 
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5:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Doesn't that essentially waste 500 reputation points for the person who awarded it to you? It's not like they get any of that back. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
@BSMP, whatever. When other users find the question, they will not see an answer with a no reason bounty, this is what I was trying to solve mostly. Apparently the only way to refund the bounty to the awarder is to bounty some their answer back, which will just contribute to the nonsense. — Alex Guteniev 1 min ago
 
5:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
@Trilarion if it were an answer but didn't answer the question, it should be flagged NAA :p — cs95 46 secs ago
 
5:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
It seems "reinstall it" is in the same category as "turn it off and on again". — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
Probably yes, I don't know the stackoverflow policies on question where the answer/solution is to "turn it off and on again" though. — HopefullyHelpful 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
But that's special for Q&A, i.e. the production of meaningful content. Elections are political and producing words is not the same as producing content. If politicians would be paid by the amount of words they produce they would all be millionaires. I'd say that in this case no answer is a very clear answer. — Trilarion 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Generally that falls under "not reproducible". Not always but often enough. — VLAZ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I'm also not very happy with your timing. It could well be seen as an attempt to interfere in the election and influence the result. But this is just a comment, not an answer. There are already a lot. — Trilarion 43 secs ago
 
6:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by T.J. Crowder
@JBallin - That's so we can tell ReactDOM where to mount the top-level React element, via the second argument (document.getElementById("react")). I'm not sure what you meant by "Last hooks example runs fine without it." -- if I remove id="react" from the div, understandably the example stops working because document.getElementById("react") returns null and ReactDOM.render fails. — T.J. Crowder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBallin
@T.J.Crowder you're totally right, sorry about that. I realized 8 touches on this - I was using document.body. I've deleted my previous comment, and I'll delete this one tomorrow - to reduce the noise here (unless you don't delete yours). — JBallin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Billy
Oh I definitely use dark reader extensions for browsers on my laptop and my phone. Not sure how I lived without them. Unfortunately they don't apply to standalone email clients. — Billy 1 min ago
 
6:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justhalf
Also number 6 and 8, which don't seem to be paraphrased from another answer, shows a different writing style to the others. — justhalf 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte Last two? They're randomly ordered. Frankly, if they were answers to my questions, I wouldn't accept any of it. They aren't impressive. Most answers basically follow this path: "It depends" => "Add additional information in favor of one side" -> " Accept that side" => and "Add additional information in favor of other side" => "accept the other side". But the question doesn't give that information. I wish all the questions started with "Given no other access to information, and you have to make a choice, What would you do in ...... case?" — TheMaster 5 secs ago
 
7:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
I mean generally reinstalling is very common debugging maybe if you are programming at home, but if you don't have admin rights or if you don't have time for reinstalling because you're working very tight project shedules it might not be such an obvious step, atleast in my opinion. — HopefullyHelpful 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
Also those questions may also help avoid the probelm in the future, because if you need to reinstall every 5 minutes (extreme example) and you don't know the reason, it becomese very time consuming. Questions like those can reveal in answers or comments what the actual problem is if enough information is provided and if multiple people have the same issue. — HopefullyHelpful 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
But have you tried restarting it? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
99 percent don't know any of candidates, so it's not a problem at all, just a paranoid candidate, who cares man — Kos 1 min ago
 
7:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
FWIW, typos in your question that aren't present in your actual code are even worse than "genuine" typos: you're giving misleading evidence to the people who are trying to help you. At least in this case you did fix those question typos. But bear in mind that it can strongly discourage answerers when they have to deal with that sort of thing. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The irony that the reply you got was "I am using version 19" A version that doesn't exist, at the time of this comment (and certainly didn't at the time of the question). I suspect it'll be at least a decade before we get the version the User is using. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Weller
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
You could write this in a SEDE, but I doubt it would be performant. Searching all the comments for those contain a '?' would not be SARGable, and with the limited resources you get on for the queries on SEDE, likely to timeout. This would probably need to be done in a local version, as it would most certainly be a long running query. — Larnu 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
"'Reboot and reinstall' are steps that basically expected to be done as part of the investigation of installation failures *before asking the question"* Rebooting, sure. If a reboot fixes it, it's probably not reproducible. But do you seriously reinstall every piece of software that you experience a problem with before asking how to fix it? — Ryan M 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Please see The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide. No one ever gets banned after their first question, unless it’s blatant spam. — Sebastian Simon 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Curious Programmer
Is this question a blatant spam? This was my first question and I got banned right after. — Curious Programmer 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If you have a question ban that is most certainly not your first question. — Larnu 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Curious Programmer
It was my first question indeed. — Curious Programmer 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Also relevant may be: Why won't the system allow me to ask questions for several days? But this MSO question needs details or clarity. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
There is no problem with redundancy between questions - quite the contrary, there may be many different ways to ask a single question, und one may not be able to find just the right one due to coming from a different context (e.g., you ask for storing data in a DB, while the duplicate asks just for submitting a form). This is what duplicate closure is for - pointing the question author (and future readers coming from search engines!) to a single solution that works for all of them. — janw 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It is very unclear what you are asking here. Are you asking why people are allowed to point you to an existing question that already contains an answer to your problem? — Cody Gray ♦ 14 secs ago
 
8:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
@Nick thanks for the pointer - I dare say I should now be able to work it out myself! (seems to be SQLServer syntax). I did have similar thoughts to Larnu - this is likely an horrific query but there may be some assumptions that could trim down the dataset, or it may be that querying it on Google, if it's still a thing, would have the performance grunt necessary for something awful like this — Caius Jard 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
@Larnu yes, I laughed some at that one myself - especially as I've recently posted about the SSMS tagging, and all the versioning nonsense therein. It's like the universe is fractal and cycling back to poke fun at me — Caius Jard 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Also, such as we are talking about it, but does missing import should be flagged as "typo/non-reproducible" ? — Elikill58 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Curious Programmer
@janw, this is great, but why am I banned then, if "there may be many different ways to ask a single question, and one may not be able to find just the right one due to coming from a different context"? — Curious Programmer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
@CuriousProgrammer I don't know whether you are banned (see other comments, your meta question is quite unclear), just wanted to point out that having your question closed as a duplicate is nothing bad in general. An exception is when there already are N other duplicates that ask the same question in the exact same way - then adding another duplicate just adds noise, and it may get downvoted and deleted eventually (this mostly happens when an asker didn't do any research before posting their question). See also this post for further information. — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
I think you are handling the situation appropriately. I don't see what else you can do, if the user is creating new accounts with different credentials, and I think there is little SO can do either. It's just one of those situations that require patience since they have to be treated on a case by case basis. — anastaciu 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
They could potentially do an IP block, though that probably requires staff intervention, and assumes the user isn't using a VPN — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@Zoe, that is the problerm, a VPN would easily get around the block, but I guess it wouldn't hurt. — anastaciu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Curious - What makes you believe you are question banned? — Security Hound 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@Zoe, that is the problerm, a VPN would easily get around the block, but I guess it wouldn't hurt too much, but for the matter of dynamic IPs, we can be blocking a future user that has nothing to do with this, though this would be highly unlikely. — anastaciu 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the candidate supporter
Considering how it's been almost half a year since the C# troll emerged (as a separate example), and all we can do about it is keep on flagging incoming questions, this situation would be, I'm afraid, equally tricky to solve. — E_net4 the candidate supporter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@anastaciu I would prefer this user to get away with it until mod-flags come through instead of having an unrelated user banned for nothing — blackgreen 1 min ago
 
9:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@blackgreen about the matter of the delayed flag handling, keep in mind that mods have a lot of flags to handle, sometimes it takes time, but they will eventually be handled, again, it's a matter of patience. — anastaciu 52 secs ago
 
9:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Did you actually reinstall Python 2, or is that a typo? — PM 2Ring 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
Isn't this exactly how programmers solve things when they browse SO? — holydragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
@BSMP, the user probably wants to reduce their reputation. Another 3 bounties worth 500 were offered. — Alex Guteniev 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
The system has currently blocked you from posting questions for 1 day. You have no deleted questions or answers, so I assume that it's because your one question was closed and received 2 downvotes. We don't know the actual algorithm which is used by the system to impose these limits, so I'm just assuming the specifics of why you were rate limited. — Makyen ♦ 44 secs ago
 
10:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sayse
@holydragon - Its certainly how many politicians handle elections — Sayse 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
A similar issue has been happening in the C# tag, but this has been a definite abusive situation, and mods are aware and trying to handle it as best they can. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 12 secs ago
 
11:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
And if all candidates basically just have the same answer, then what good is this question? Exactly. So, some "exact" words were used by these two candidates. But the idea is exactly the same among all answers. Honestly, I would've picked the odd one out to the top, even if they didn't give the "correct" answer, but spoke from their heart. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
Banned for two downvotes on a duplicate (first) question that is very well formed? I should reconsider my downvote principles if this is the consequence. — Michael Szczesny 47 secs ago
 
11:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@RyanM Sadly, installation routines try to be too smart to their own good and end up messing up things changing the defaults configuration. Most bugs on software I try to reproduce them on a brand new virtual machine. If it can't be reproduced on a pristine environment then there's something I'm not accounting for. — Braiam 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
you handled all, that you can do, but if they are question banned, what else can they do, it is not so that there bad questions are eliminated or ignored over time. So imho let them be close them as you see fit and let it be, — nbk 37 secs ago
 
11:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
Impressed that it's letting me run 100s+ queries.. So far turned up this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/373234 - 10 years waiting for a "yes" — Caius Jard 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I disagree, @nbk , if a user is creating new accounts to avoid a question ban, that needs to be addressed, and flagging those is the correct course. On the other hand, downvoting and VTCing should be based on the content of the question, not that the OP has created their 20th account to complete their transformation into a [help-vampire]. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
Impressed that it's letting me run 100s+ queries.. So far turned up this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/373234 - 9 years waiting for a "yes" — Caius Jard 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
Have you got some good examples? — Caius Jard 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the candidate supporter
@MichaelSzczesny No need to worry that much. A rate limit is hardly as severe as an actual question ban. And to be fair, asking more than one question per day isn't something most people should be doing. — E_net4 the candidate supporter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
While I don't disagree that the questions are mostly fluff, IMO that is entirely irrelevant to the fact that a candidate in this mod election a) plagiarized content and b) does not seem to be comfortable expressing themselves in english and thus resorted to plagiarization. A debate about the usefulness of the questionaire should be entirely separate from the debate about the plagiarization. — l4mpi 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@PM2Ring In one part of the question is Python 2, in another is Python 3... so who knows. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@E_net4thecandidatesupporter - I disagree. Blocking (new) users without a transparent reason is bad enough. I downvote to indicate that a question is not useful in the current state. I don't want anyone to get sanctioned without a serious reason (even for 24 hours). — Michael Szczesny 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@E_net4thecandidatesupporter that being said, isn't there a strict limit on the amount of questions you can ask per day if you have low reputation? — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cadoiz
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
The image could probably be cropped further to contain less of the logo. — Trilarion 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the candidate supporter
@MichaelSzczesny I think it is transparent enough: rate limits are communicated, and they clearly map to poor quality contributions. See this answer for a screenshot. The limit rate codifies the idea that askers should be taking their time and conducting thorough research before posting. That new users reach the threshold easier may seem unfortunate, but it is hardly a problem to let them try again a few days later, regardless of how new they are. — E_net4 the candidate supporter 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@Larnu some people are not able to ask godd question and some never will be, there should be for such people a bail out option. A ban within a reasonable time should be enough for the time being. Besides isn't there an algorithm in pace to detect socketpuppets. Also as long as tehy don't do harm, lepp them coming — nbk 13 secs ago
 
12:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
S.Lott was waiting slightly longer for Paxdiablo to come back on why their question mattered .. — Caius Jard 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Push comes to shove for people that are the target of that message, robo reviewers mostly, the shock is very much intended and necessary. If it doesn't apply to you, well then it is good practice to try and not be bothered by what a static webpage says. — Gimby 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
It's really a pity to lose the election for this. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@Nick how can I nominate myself when I don't have the badge that I have mention above ? you would think that META would be a place where people read before making comments. — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@PeterMortensen my question has many typos because I did a FAST but POOR EDIT, you realize that I'm not a moderator yet right ? — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The edit doesn't make the question better. It's also unclear to me why you seem to think the duplicate closure was bad. You admit that it answers your question so you received the answer you were looking for very quickly and could work on. — Jeanne Dark 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@MauricioGraciaGutierrez You'd think meta was a place where people read before writing posts... but here we are — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
My guess is that the notification is there to enable moderator comments on deleted posts to notify low-rep askers. Normally these comments are aimed at the author, who can see their deleted question. I assume it would be added complexity for little practical benefit to add a filtering step of "will the recipient actually be able to see the post?". You can always try opening a feature request for this. — Andras Deak 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"how can I nominate myself when I don't have the badge that I have mention above" - doesn't matter now, the nomination period has ended, does it? — Zoe just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz improving interactions is not about just "google translating answers" it that was the case, why would they create a Spanish StackOverflow in the first place ? I'm providing ONE approach to how to use the traction from the English version to improve interactions on the other languages as well. When interacting in the real world with developers you don't have them separated in different rooms because of the language they speak — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Curious Programmer
The duplicate closure was not bad. The suspension was bad, especially for a new user after his first question. But as I see it came to an end. — Curious Programmer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"some people are not able to ask godd question" then, with respect, Stack Overflow isn't the right place for them. There are other websites where their userbase are more than happy to geif peoplez da codez when they ask for it. "Also as long as tehy don't do harm, lepp them coming" but they are doing harm. Low quality content is the complete opposite of the goal that sites in the network want to achieve. They want high quality content, which includes both questions and answers. Low quality content harms that goal from being achieved. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@Zoe nomination period expired a few days a go and I can nominate for next time right ? is this really the attitude in META ? — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
I tried to salvage the comment chain here, but they degenerated into a discussion about the Convention badge so... let's start over on comments. If you have a comment about the question, feel free to make it. Let's not talk about other subjects here. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Let's get one thing out of the way: A rate limit is not the same as a suspension / ban. — Cerbrus 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
@PM2Ring it was a misunderstanding the 2 wasn't for the python version, it was for "2 more times" as in reproducing it more than once, because reproducing it only 1 time isn't super hard evidence of an interaction — HopefullyHelpful 19 secs ago
 
1:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
I disagree the removal of the part by the mod, but I decided it to leave as it is for the sake of conflict reduction. However, delete votes are not an acceptable way to express disagreement, from the third delete vote all you 3 can safely count with my flag. — peterh 13 secs ago
 
1:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Well... a moderator is expected to deal with a lot of issues related to plagiarism where someone copies the contents of an SO post and post it as their own, with no attribution given. If someone doesn't understand why this is unacceptable and something you can even get banned for, they are very far from being the person who hands out such a ban. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Is it? Plagiarism is bad enough when it is for imaginary internet points. It's a very serious thing when done in an attempt to earn access to real-world power/information. — TylerH 12 secs ago
 
2:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Makoto "The natural thing is to not vote for the candidate who you believe did something underhanded." This misses the entire point. You may sit comfortably in your ivory tower knowing you diligently exercise due process, but those interested in ensuring the system is safeguarded from potential abuse have to worry about the lowest common denominator. "It's like...that's really the only real recourse here." Sure, if you... ignore the existing of this and several other questions on MSO and MSE putting forth other options for recourse. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
just a small clatification the existing TAGS of SO will be kept that way and only a new type of TAGS will be created to handle question in other languages. — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@MauricioGraciaGutierrez As explained in my answer this would decrease the overall quality of content and it would be pointless as such content already exists on Stack Overflow, but in English. Adding tags, in whatever format, would not solve any issues. — Dharman 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
Also having moderators that can curate content in languages other than english and having an I18N version of the site would be great and would keep developers in the same room regardless of their native language. — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
If you consider that ALL the content that exists in SO in other languages already exist in ENGLISH why do we keep those non-english sites then ? Also keep in mind that translation has many limitations when it comes to regular day words that developers use and the translator does not know — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
This answer although is very detailed, feels a bit like "yes we do have non-english sites because we need them but they are not as important so we dont curate them or care as much since there is google translate" — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@MauricioGraciaGutierrez The second part of your comment answers the first. Spanish, Portugueese, Russian and Japanese are common languages enough to justify the duplication of content. We have separate sites so that the content can be available in these languages without adding complexity to the main site. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
"But why...since we have google translate" according to you. you contradict yourself — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
I will add comments as I read.... — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
How do you currently know that a question is not in english currently ? moderators and other users commenting. a Moderator or user could edit and set a language tag it — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Yes, but that doesn't mean search engines catch on. It gets more fun if you somehow end up mixing languages, and a dose of spanish examples in an english questions results in the search engine misclassifying the question as Spanish. — Zoe 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
That can already happen in any SO site, unless it gets curated right ? so is the same risk that the current one — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Nope, because unlike your proposed system, anything non-english that sneaks through is content that should be closed (read: not be there in the first place). It's consequently not a flaw with the system. Your question is equivalent to how completely off-topic questions slip through. Doesn't make them on-topic, and they generally get closed when they resurface. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
Does the current system closes them automatically ? ASFIK nope, someone has to curate, and vote close. Human intervention is required — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
No human intervention can deal with the search engine algorithm. You also don't address any of the edge-cases this introduces, including cases where the wrong language is posted to the wrong post. You still need to revisit the entire language user guidance for this strategy to be even slightly viable. Even doing that, it'd require a brand new form of cooperation among people who moderate - it's nowhere near as easy as you seem to think it is. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
"who says those developers want to write in other languages than English for technical stuff?" Actually is more like "this allows developers that speak both english and spanish answer questions that are ONLY in spanish, because the OP only speaks spanis" and all under the same site." — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
so the same problems that you mention in your comments already happen in ENGLISH SO right ? user can post in other languages/combining them too and only human intervention can curate that right ? — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
And why is that good? It's already under the same network, but with the lines for what language content goes where being clearly separated by the content being on different sites. And again, allowing doesn't mean they want to, which defeats the point of what you wanted to do in the first place; bringing traffic to Spanish.SO. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"user can post in other languages/combining them too and only human intervention can curate that right ?" - yes, but what's your point? English posts get deleted from Spanish.SO manually as well — Zoe 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
the fact that you disagree with my ideas is not proof, If you want proof beyond the -14 negative downvotes, a survey could help. Neither your point of view or mine represent the SO community — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
let me rephrase: "you just lost the elections" — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
In what context? In the context of not everyone wanting to use their native language in a tech context? I know a lot of people who aren't natively English, and who chose to use English over their native language - I don't need a survey to mention an observation of a pretty large scale. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
What I find even more interesting is that there are two answers and at least 1 is upvoted. So, apparently those answerers didn't need to know the version to be able to answer the question. — Braiam 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Consider using the Russian site for a week with Google translate. Ask and especially answer Questions there. See how it goes. — Scratte 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
Au contraire, this very meta question shows that we learn a lot about a candidate from their answers. Just not always in the way we were expecting. — Laurel 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@Scratte feel free to share your knowledge, no need to go through what you seem to have already experienced. this is about sharing experience. — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I have not. It was a genuine suggestion so you could get some first hand experience of how easy/difficult cross language really is. — Scratte 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"some people are not able to ask good question and some never will be," - Then those people will not be allowed to ask questions on Stack Overflow. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
you are saying is hard for a Russion speaker to TAG a question saying is bein asked in Russian ? if moderator dont know the language they just SKIP like we currently can SKIP moderation quesion in the EDIT/CLOSE QUEUESA - I'm not the one suggesting translating, that is someone else comments/answers — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
I wish this was a google document, commenting here has become very hard given the length of your answer. "I what context ?" read the comments above ;-) — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabian Lauer
Might be easier to open source SO if you want us to CR your code ;-) Fixed indeed. Thanks! — Fabian Lauer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
@Trilarion Trying to influence the result is well within the rules of SO, to cite a well-liked fact about the nomination. If it's within the rules, surely you absolutely cannot argue against it? — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
@Braiam I think it's probably par for the course with the [sql] tag; definitely wild west territory where the fastest guns line up against Gordon and not much changes (in terms of DB capabilities) so you can quickly throw your "good for every SQLServer since 2000" string chop hat into the ring and stand a good chance of nailing some upvotes.. I asked specifically because I wanted to know if STRING_SPLIT was available but it's somewhat moot now, i think .. :) — Caius Jard 57 secs ago
 
3:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stark
Yet I continue to run into people whose opinion of SO is "I asked a question about using X and it got closed. I'll never go back." It never registered with them that SO was only for programming questions. — stark 1 min ago
 
3:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
Well, but if we had questions that actually require the candidate to do more than paraphrasing "the one correct answer", we would have noticed this much sooner. — nvoigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I can't find the reference but I think I remember a discussion about copyright notices in code snippets on SO and the result was that one could not simply remove them. This here and copyright notices are somewhat similar. Maybe the logo actually would have to stay. Not sure though, because I'm also not sure about the legal status of the included images (see these comments). — Trilarion 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew
In my ide i use a comment shortcut which uses correct commenting syntax regardless of the file type. — Andrew 41 secs ago
 
4:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@AdrianMole It was a misunderstanding. The 60/day is triggered by there being more than 150 items in the queue, not 1000. This number is adjustable but it's for all queues, not for First questions only. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@Catija Thanks for clarifying. I sort of guessed that (sometime after posting my comment), actually, because I noticed my quota went directly between 60 and 20. Looks like we're back to the 20/40 quotas now, though. — Adrian Mole 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nagev
Thanks for the comments, updated question to address both. — Nagev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Sure! :) @AdrianMole If it's useful, the 1000 is the network default for adding a multiplier, it's just that on SO we've lowered that to 150. :) — Catija ♦ 40 secs ago
 
4:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Elikill58 a lot of times - yes. However, do note that common typos are likely useful for future readers. So, not all typos are equal. In JS many people type something like if (x = 1) and assign the value as well as make the if condition a constant. That is a typo, since they probably meant an equality check: if (x == 1) or if (x === 1). However, there is a canonical for it: What is the difference between the = and == operators and what is ===? (Single, double, and triple equals)VLAZ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@CaiusJard But any user with an old question can remove their comments on their question and re-reply a comment to create the illusion (for fun, I suppose). — Ann Zen 44 secs ago
 
4:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
everybody is allowed to ask questions and should be helped f they are not able, everything else is elitarian bs — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
I looked for similar questions and did not find that, thanks — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@CodyGray what if the interactions are fine but you just dont care about any other interctions that happen on your question ? maybe question is old and resolved and still getting buch of "thank you" coments — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Asking is a privilege, not a right, @nbk . And Stack Overflow, and the other sites in the community, are "help forums" like people think. Never has been, never will be. That isn't elitism, that you, and other people, not understanding the site you are using. — Larnu 15 secs ago
 
5:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
no asking can everybody that has an account with 1 rep, so it is a right and not a privilege, if you are searching for privileges go to the collectoves — nbk 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
Exactly. It's not gaming the system; it's simply a broken system. The fault is entirely on whoever designed the system. — Tech Inquisitor 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
Perhaps one reasonable explanation.. If it's the case then it happens quite a lot. Interesting example here (and the current leader in my querying) where kjagiello takes nearly 10 years to acknowledge a tagging observation. I wonder if mods can see whether there are any deleted comments.. — Caius Jard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Wrong again, @nbk, there are plenty of people with 1 reputation that can't ask. Why? Because they have been question banned due to low quality content. I really suggest posting a question about this here on meta, the users here will be happy to give you more details, as this is the wrong place. — Larnu 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ollie
Thanks for your honesty on this issue, it's appreciated. Being a member of Charcoal (and therefore anti-spam, plagiarism, etc.), I take this seriously. It's not what's expected of an elected moderator or a candidate. I'm kinda conflicted over this, especially as a moderator is supposed to be preventing this sort of stuff from happening - I fear that any issue you might deal with in future that involves plagiarism will bounce back at you with a link to this post. Not to mention how this'll affect your election results. No one can forget the incredible curation work you've done, but... — Ollie 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@nbk - Users who are question banned, did ask questions, it was just determined based on a pattern of asking questions that were not well received that they will only be able to ask a question every 6 months. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
So under each downvoted question I need to ask for moderator to check ? — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
No, you custom flag one of your posts (preferably a downvoted one) and explain the situation, eg. link to your reputation tab etc. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
ouch...ok (I should have waited for your answer) thanks — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
You can retract your flags (all but one) if you've flagged multiple times. — VLAZ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
@TechInquisitor: Gaming a broken system is still gaming it. Saying it's not is like saying "I wasn't hacking that server! It's their fault for having vulnerabilities." — user2357112 supports Monica 1 min ago
 
6:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Just FYI, I'm not sure that's enough of a pattern to find serial/targetted voting. You received four downvotes in four days, only two of those more or less together. It may be that even if it's related to your meta activity, it's simply that different users visited some of your posts and voted on them for different reasons. — yivi 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GammaGames
@CaiusJard Are you planning to make an answer with these provided as a list? It's a fun question — GammaGames 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@JeanneDark - I thought moderators can't see how users vote. If I had a similar obvious case, should I custom flag this? It doesn't bother me (only 3 downvotes in 1 minute and the voter lost his downvote privilege) but I am curious whether my suspicions will be confirmed. — Michael Szczesny 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Moderators do not have access to your voting tab. As far as I understand they have tools that will allow them to see if there is a pattern, but the users performing said pattern is not revealed to them. They can escalate the matter to Stack Inc. — Scratte 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MichaelSzczesny if you have strong suspicion and the vote reversal script didn't do anything (it runs once every 24 hours), then feel free to modflag. — VLAZ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
thanks to all of you — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Well Caius, the other option is that you could say "if you have string_split do this, if you don't then do that". That's my strategy anyways. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
@user2357112supportsMonica Outside of laws written by technologically ignorant legislators, there is no distinction between what a system allows you to do and what that system implies you are authorized to do. — Tech Inquisitor 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
@GammaGames I'm keeping track of the queries written, and tweaking them/having a play to see what I can identify and how far I can push it (already starting to hit a few timeouts). If it shapes up into something interesting I'll certainly make an answer — Caius Jard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
Marking this as no-repro. If someone sees it again, let me know please. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
@TechInquisitor: That is absolutely false. A system that allows me to, say, log in as another user by putting ' or 1=1; -- as my password does not imply I am authorized to do that. Even if it were true, it would have no bearing on the point about gaming broken systems. — user2357112 supports Monica 20 secs ago
 
7:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@MichaelSzczesny also depends what you want as a resolution. Mods won't come and tell you "yeah you were correct, it was user X, we did Y". You'll get a "helpful" marking on your flag and likely won't hear more. So I'm not 100% sure what you'll get (again, depends on your expected resolutions, which from your "I am curious"... I guess is just "am I right, in this instance?" which won't be answered, likely) — Patrice 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@Patrice - I won't bother mods with this just to be right or get 6 reputation back after one month. But it is nice to know that I could flag something like this. — Michael Szczesny 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Every single page on Stack Overflow states (at the time of posting, and in the bottom right) "user contributions licensed under cc by-sa. rev 2021.10.20.40515". That includes articles, such as this one. If the user has posted a collective article, it is under that licence. If it is also licenced under a more restrictive licence else where, the point is moot, as someone referencing the content can just reference the one on Stack Overflow. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Though, I will admit it would be nice if the share link on Articles stated that like on questions/answers. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cyan
The question is not about copy/pasting the content of a Stack Overflow article, it's about just having an URL to one. Do you imply that the mere presence of an URL is exactly equivalent from a license perspective as copy/pasting the content of the Stack Overflow article ? What about referencing the title of a book then ? — Cyan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
So what is your question here, exactly? I read it as "What are the articles licenced under"; is that not what you are asking? If you're asking about the implications of the licences, I don't think here is the right place for that. More likely you should be asking on Law. — Larnu 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray I’m tempted to custom flag as “I'm @#$@# did that 10 @#$#@ times” … — Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ekhumoro
I will only endorse this candidate if they change their name to Votey McVoteface. — ekhumoro 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Is this question about Collective Articles? Or about posts in general? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Also mind that "helpful" doesn't mean "you were right, it was voting fraud" in this case. So even when there was no actual fraud your flag might be marked as helpful. I assume mods mark such flags depending on if you suspicion was understandable or not. — Tom 1 min ago
 
7:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cyan
That's a good point. I will clarify the question, and eventually move it to Law is need be. — Cyan 1 min ago
 
8:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ollie
... I agree with this comment. Your answer to question 6 isn't the same as any of the others, and proves what you said about English not being your native language. I've said it before: That's not a bad thing. If that pushes you to copy someone else's content, how do you stop it from happening again? AFAIK, I understand why you did it, but it'll be harder as a moderator. Sorting out fights online requires expressing yourself. — Ollie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ollie
So I do think you have the chops to be a valuable SO moderator, but you'll have to use your own stuff. I do the same when warning people on SO in Spanish about vandalism (though not frequently and definitely not on the same scale as a moderator). If you edited your nomination, then I think you would regain favor. The election is still running. That or wait until 2022... — Ollie 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabian
@Shree In the light that you seem to have paraphrased/copied the majority (7/10) of your answers (see the other answers below), what action would you take if you came across such a case in your work as a moderator? — Fabian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
Fun fact: I had actually proposed a rephrasing of this question back when they were selecting questions that'd expand its scope to other places where arguments/flags can be generated in addition to comments as well as provide specific examples. But the team opted to use the original wording instead. — gparyani 49 secs ago
 
8:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
@Patrice "after one month" ? Oct 16 was 4 days ago, you come from the future ? ;-) — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
 
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